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113 Responses to The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam

  1. Profile photo of outdoorMINER
    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    Link: The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam - The title speaks for itself.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    NOthing we didnt already know
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    I hate you can`t pause these life leak videos.

    damn pop ups!



    oh, yeah, sad about the muslim chicks.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    Not all of the human rights violations in this video are "endorsed" by Islam. I`m not saying that women in the Middle East aren`t treated exceedingly poorly, or trying to make excuses for any behavior. I just am pointing out that they threw in some things that are part of "the culture created by Islam," and not part of Islam itself.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    And I`m sure that all Muslims do this, as though "Islam" is the cause for the violence.

    Right?

    Right?
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    tl;dw
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    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    @hwkiller jihad is the cause

    jihad is a basic TENMENT of islam
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    pianok Male 50-59
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    I have heard of some of this before. It is really messed up that such things happen. Sure glad I aint a woman and even gladder that I aint muslim. JMIO
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    supersai20, "Jihad" is an unofficial 6th pillar in Islam. It simply means "struggle," if I recall correctly.

    The term "Jihad" has been misconstrued to mean absolute evil in Western society. Really, it can simply mean enduring in the face of a sinful world.
    It doesn`t allude to violence.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    Nine year olds dude, nine year olds...
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    OMG it was so difficult to watch this with the fake crowd noise in the background...
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    Joshius Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Wouldn`t the world just be better if we all converted to Jainism?
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    bunny_knight Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Wow, this is such and f`ed up video. I can only stand watching 6 minutes of it. It`s never right to keep sex slaves, or stone people to death, or deliberately keep people inside a burning building. It`s even sadder that these are all women. In the western (in my opinion, more civilized) part of the world, if there is any danger it would be the women and children whom are to escape first. And being a man, i have absolutely no problem with that. This is probably why i could only stand 6 minutes of this video.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    @gasmaskkid..you are a douche, if you don`t take the time to watch, keep it to yourself, no one cares.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    Who is the famous woman with dreadlocks? Is she an Arabic feminist?
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    Ha ha bitches getting pwned.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:52 pm
    age of one of Muhammed`s wives
    unverified

    ...general practice...
    True only for the most EXTREME.

    ...women in Islamic societies suffer...
    Hasty generalization

    Don`t get me wrong this 5h17 clearly IS happening, but please please PLEASE for the love of god be specific. Albania, Kosovo, Turkey, and Indonesia this activity IS illegal and IS punished. Being raped is also NOT considered a crime in any of these countries.

    sha`riah would creat...gender apartheid
    Wahhabayist interpretation ONLY.

    ...basic Muslim behaviors
    basic to Saudi men.
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    dubtac Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    Man that was hard to watch,and to think our president is Muslim.Just think about all the women who voted for him.Not knowing what his religion is about.It should be a wake up call to all.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    There also islamic countries which do have versions of shariah law which outlaw such mistreatment.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:55 pm
    @NNoamfer

    Careful when you press F5.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    Yup...
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    Lednar Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    I am unaware of the reason this video exist. I had a slight sensation of being hatred induced while watching it. So I guess it was done to manipulate people into blind rage against islam. Yes a lot of bad things happen in the world although this doesn`t mean we must join to strike down ANY muslim religion believer. Because then we are the real terrorists. We can not judge people by appearence or faith. Because you can never know where the real innocent people hide.

    Anyway I just want to say: "Watch this with caution."
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    I`m sorry.. I thought I would find it amusing to see Islam on this site, but you know what?

    It is just as lame as bashing Christianity.

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    k8lin Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    God, I wish I could just protect them all...
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:15 pm
    its actions like this around the world that prove we are still little more than apes.
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    ROCKY-LEE Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    wow
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    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:51 pm
    elkingo: It is just as lame as bashing Christianity

    Christianity deserves to be bashed
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    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 5:55 pm
    hwkiller: "Really, it can simply mean enduring in the face of a sinful world."

    e.g the western world
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    Supersai:
    1) Saying that an entire general population and their beliefs "deserve to be bashed" sounds strangly... well... like what you`re against.

    2) No. They don`t view the western world, inherently, as sinful. And all Jihad means is struggling to be like the divine, and DEFENDING the religion. Heck, the Quran is very concrete about offensive warfare. Jihad has very very very little to do with any sort of holy war or "holy violence." The Quran is very against it.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    Islam:


  31. Profile photo of supersai20
    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    "Saying that an entire general population and their beliefs "deserve to be bashed" sounds strangly... well... like what you`re against. "

    Exactly what i am saying. religion is INSANITY. and i AM bashing an entire general population and experience zero remorse for that fact

    deal. bro.

    and a quote

    "The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called `hypocrites` and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:15 pm
    @hwkiller

    "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191

    Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

    Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123

    Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111" (Spooky)


    I`m pretty sure this last verse gives believers pretty clear instructions on how to wage "holy war" against their adversaries. But Islam is a religion of peace you say? There is some scriptural incentive for non-violent reconciliation between the faiths?


    "Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

    Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56"


    Let`s see it.
  33. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Ok, there`s so much bullpoo in the first 3 sentences that I`m not going to bother going through the rest of it.

    Lets draw a parallel shall we?

    **********************
    In America, a nation ruled by American law, the legal age for marriage is 12, which is the age of Juliet.

    In America, a patriotic American slit the throat of a taxi driver because he was funny looking.

    A general practice of Americans is to abuse their women.
    **********************

    Q 1: Is this true?
    Yes, at least, as true as the parallel line in the video. Abuse is as common as Female circumcision for example, 20%. Ergo, both equally a "general practice". The 12 year old legal age is with parental + court consent in 5 states (Miss,Mass,NC,WV,DC).

    Q 2: Am I painting an accurate picture of America?
    No.

    Q 3: What does this tell you?
  34. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:16 pm
    Baalthazaq, maybe you can help me - what verses are hwkiller talking about in his last sentence?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    Patriot, FGM, Abuse, Marriage.

    Sources btw.
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Just how many times to we have to repeat: "Religion fail". Forget the violence against women, how about a september day in NY. (no offence women, you `aint the only ones being bashed by religion)
  37. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    Suicism:

    If you`d bother to read entire verses rather than half, you`d notice you already have them up.

    You could also try the chapter called "The Disbelievers" which deals with the subject matter.

    You used a verse from chapter 9 correct?
    The one that says, amongst other things:

    "9:13 Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?"

    The entire context of the entire chapter is a battle in which peace treaties were ignored and they were attacked.

    You posted 4:89, but not the next line 4:90. You know, the one which forbids fighting people who don`t want to fight you. That seemed important to me.
  38. Profile photo of supersai20
    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    @LtFurpie

    HELL YEAH!

    ATHEIST RIGHTS!
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    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    Baalthazaq: "You know, the one which forbids fighting people who don`t want to fight you"

    what if i said 109 things, and then said one other thing that contradicted those other 109 things?

    which would you believe?
  40. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    "what if i said 109 things, and then said one other thing that contradicted those other 109 things? "

    False analogy. I`m not picking out a verse at random. I`m finishing a sentence.

    If you say "The Bible says kill in the commandments", and I point out it says "Thou shall not" before it, I am not pointing out a contradicting term. I am pointing out that you`ve cherry picked.

    When Suicism puts up 4:89, and I say keep reading. That`s called context. 4:90 is the next line. That begins with the word "except". Relating to the previous line. The one we`re discussing.

    I specifically do not go out there and try to just quote mine. I give context to the lines. I point out things being ignored from the *section he`s reading*.

    I try not to use the same arguments I complain about outside of parody.
  41. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    Ok, sources up, context up, questions answered, bedtime.
  42. Profile photo of supersai20
    supersai20 Male 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    Baalthazaq: you argument is that Islam DOES have verses that advocate peace. am i correct?

    my argument is that while it may, there are verses that contradict those verses with violence (considerably more as well)

    i`m rebutting your argument. not your statement.
  43. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Incidentally Cajun:

    The Age of Aisha thing, I actually spent a while looking into it again and I found one quote from Urwa`s brother Ursa which technically counts as a second source if you go by the golden chain.

    Though most scholars say he probably got it from Urwa, that`s unconfirmed, so it`s possible to claim 2 sources.

    In the interest of full disclosure. :) I replied to that old thread, but it had been dead for weeks.
  44. Profile photo of SavageNation
    SavageNation Male 40-49
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    July 6, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    Dont U know Islam is the religion of peace & they`ll kill you to prove it.
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    evil.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    I lived in Islamic countries and believe me, women are treated horribly and beating them is not only allowed but occurs often.

    I have seen it, talked to those that had ti happened to them and questions the men that do it. The answer from the men makes it clear that women are seen as inferior in all ways and have to be "held in line".

    call it Islam or part of the culture, whatever you like, but the bottom line is it is violent and women suffer because of it.
  47. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:05 pm
    You are actually incorrect, but nice dodge.
    Suicism asked for verses for peaceful reconciliation. I provided those verses. There was no argument.

    I also provided context to the verses he claimed advocated attacking people in the stereotypical holy war sense.

    The verses provided logically cannot apply outside of self defense. "unless they don`t wish to fight you". Ergo, at least one, and I`m guessing we`re gonna end up at at least 100 of those "109 verses" being similar.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with "contradicting verses". So if you`re bringing up "contradictory verses" as any part of your argument, you`ve misunderstood the argument we`re having.
  48. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:06 pm
    baalthazaq, im not against Islam, at least no more than the religions i grew up in (Judaism, Christianity, and Wicca). However, in todays world can you name any other religion that holds theocracy where things like this occur on a semi-regular basis (at least a lot more than in countries of the western and far eastern worlds).

    i am not against Islam, but I am against the theocracies that allow this under the name of Islam. we all know that the religion cannot be blamed for the people who hold its symbols, but these Islamic theocracies need to be dissolved and a non-religious government needs to be obtained. This may not rid them of their problems, but at least its leaders cannot hide behind its religion.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    I`m sorry Baalthazaq, I did not read outside those verses provided by SkepticsAnnotatedQuran. I`ve come to trust the Skeptics Annotated series after all my research into the darker corners of Christianity and felt they could provide a more balanced view of the violent verses of the Quran. Guess the skeptics needed their own skepticism for this one.

    Anyway, I continued reading and came upon this:

    "Fight them until there is no fitnah and worship is for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors." - 2:193

    That is from your own website reference. I questioned the translation so compared it to my own SAQ, where it reads "2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    Is this to say that hostilities cannot fundamentally cease until their adversaries have converted to `religion for Allah?`
  51. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    Jamie76:

    Yay! The experience game! I have now been to every GCC country and most of the Middle East. I`ve been doing it a good 15 years. I disagree with you.

    Care to tell me why you don`t want to mention which country it is? I have yet to hear anyone say "I visited a Christian country, and ergo X is true".

    Because it is instantly identifiable as being a horrendously weak argument.
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    goofyllama Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:19 pm
    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/mustafa_akyol_faith_versus_tradition_in_islam.html
    You should really check this out
  53. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:20 pm
    Cobra:
    I completely agree. I`m not sure what you think I`m defending here? Iran and Saudi? Hell no. I argue adamantly and constantly against them. Saudi specifically. More specifically I`m fairly sure you`ll find me on this site basically saying the US should cease all support and ties to them.

    Keep in mind however, no matter how many people claim they are Islamic theocracies, few have established an actual Islamic system of government.

    Traditional Islamic governmental structure includes a proper Majlis-As-Shura, or representative branch. Saudi and Iran do not have that structure.

    Qatar does, but the representative branch has none of the authority afforded it in the traditional system. Etc.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    No. They don`t view the western world, inherently, as sinful. And all Jihad means is struggling to be like the divine, and DEFENDING the religion. Heck, the Quran is very concrete about offensive warfare. Jihad has very very very little to do with any sort of holy war or "holy violence." The Quran is very against it.
    Tell that to the suicide bombers... and they`d cut off your head.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    but these Islamic theocracies need to be dissolved and a non-religious government needs to be obtained.
    I agree with that. It would be some sort of step forward.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I may be the biggest racist here, but I`m not stupid enought to jump into this flame war.

    again
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    jondegi Female 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:49 pm
    @Baalthazaq

    I just wanted to say thank you. When i-am-bored starts discussing Islam, I always look to your posts to keep me from going crazy.
  58. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:52 pm
    Ugh, I`m never gonna get to bed.

    Suicism: I tend to use the SAQ as well btw, I figure as long as nothing is specifically mistranslated (not the SAQs fault, different versions translate differently), it`s good enough.

    "Is this to say that hostilities cannot fundamentally cease until their adversaries have converted to `religion for Allah?"

    Sorry for the slow reply, just double checked all my translations. You could argue 193 states as you say, though the majority opinion seem to state otherwise. It`s a question of "and/or" (see below).

    Having said that, 2: 190->193 only make logical sense if the majority translation is used.
    190: Fight until no fighting.
    191: Fight until no fighting.
    192: Same.
    193: Fight until no fighting and/or "Din" established.

    "And" contradicts previous 3. "Or" does not.
    Or wins.
  59. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 7:57 pm
    Lazy:
    "Tell that to the suicide bombers... and they`d cut off your head."

    You really don`t know how suicide bombers work do you...

    Jondegi:
    Thanks. I`m happy to find out that the sanity I lose going through these debates pops up somewhere around the world. :P

    Suicism:
    Incidentally "Din" is the most horrendous word to translate ever. "The Arabic word is Din, which is comprehensive. It implies the ideas of indebtedness, duty, obedience, judgment, justice, faith, religion, customary rites, etc. The clause means: "until there is Din for Allah.""

    The "and/or" comes in there.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 8:04 pm
    Thank you for sacrificing your refreshment cycle for the sake of Koran translation clarification. I`ll try to make this the last one.

    Would this "din" conundrum have anything to do with the following? I just came upon this while reading further:

    "9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
    9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

    This would seem to substantiate my `minority` opinion.
  61. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    baal, I guess what I was trying to say is that the video seemed to be more against the culture of some of the middle eastern countries (iran and saudi as you mentioned). if that was what the video had said over the blame being on islam, than it really would have been a terrific video for that purpose.

    also, "You really don`t know how suicide bombers work do you..." was hilarious.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    Crap. I was gonna say "in before baalrage" but I failed.
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    TokenBabe Female 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    I do not post very often as I very rarely find anything worthy of my time.
    That being said, this was very interesting. I only wish it had gone into more detail and not been quite so poorly filmed and documented.

    I would like to know if anyone can recommend a better documentary on the subject?
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    July 6, 2011 at 9:18 pm
    i rarely ever vote on a video, but i gave this a 4 so maybe more people would end up watching it, because its worth their time...
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    July 6, 2011 at 9:43 pm
    So why is all the discussion about the nature of Islam vs. the west or the proper interpretation of the Quran? I want to know why so few western "rights" organizations seem to be ignoring this. Why aren`t the feminists hopping up and down, bat poo insane over this? I truly do not understand. Is the west intentionally trying to `tsk tsk` this away?
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    Avalessa Female 13-17
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    July 6, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    @djlaser if you really feel that way then maybe you should get a sex change and convert to Islam then fly over to Saudi for a bit.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 10:34 pm
    "So why is all the discussion about the nature of Islam vs. the west or the proper interpretation of the Quran? I want to know why so few western "rights" organizations seem to be ignoring this. Why aren`t the feminists hopping up and down, bat poo insane over this? I truly do not understand. Is the west intentionally trying to `tsk tsk` this away? "

    No its because their culture find this acceptable and to try to change anything is deemed western because these stupid drats will find any excuse to make sure women know they are inferior.

    In psychological terms, each and every woman that allows herself to be treated this way is suffering from learned helplessness. But when this mental condition covers an entire society, and the men FEED off of it, then this is the result. When people REFUSE to help themselves, then yeah, people are going to "Tsk tsk" it away.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    This actually reminds me of inner city children and adults. It is a common thought to "drat the police, dont snitch, beat any snitching, we will pronounce words our wway, not the way they are spelled (Ask = axe?),no (insert color) in our neighborhood blah blah drating blah"

    After a while America decides to leave these people to their decisions which has led to poverty, racial desegregation and whatnot.

    Oh but to top it off, once everyone gives up on them, THEN they bitch, whine and complain, as is the case with the people trying to draw awareness to this fact. Problem is, nothing will change because their culture is so deeply embedded. Like our inner city people whos culture demands that they speak like retards and dress like they are from a country that they have NO dratING CLUE what its about.
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 11:00 pm
    Somebody take that American Girl c*nt b*tch and stick face in this video. Then see if the troops are evil. Better yet stick her ass over in Iran and take her citizenship and say see ya!

    http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=61530
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    July 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    @Ballthazaq
    "In America, a nation ruled by American law, the legal age for marriage is 12, which is the age of Juliet. "

    "Q 1: Is this true?
    Yes, at least, as true as the parallel line in the video. Abuse is as common as Female circumcision for example, 20%. Ergo, both equally a "general practice". The 12 year old legal age is with parental + court consent in 5 states (Miss,Mass,NC,WV,DC). "

    Sachi states
    Where in the freak do you get your stats? age of consent Federal is 16 years old. CFR your BS in another post last week and I called you out on CFR. You never replied. The link below says your wrong on consent. Link id Reference from Interpol.



    http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaUSA.pdf
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
    400 posts
    July 6, 2011 at 11:29 pm
    Why do these live leak videos never work for me?
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    kribbe Male 18-29
    2006 posts
    July 6, 2011 at 11:34 pm
    way to make a minority a majority
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    July 6, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    I don`t understand how these women still consider themselves Muslim when it`s their flawed religion that is doing this to them.
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    falloutchik Female 18-29
    78 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 12:38 am
    @xCYBERDYNEx, i cannot accurately respond to your post using only appropriate language, so let`s use sarcasm

    riiiiiigghhht, these women CHOSE where to be born, WROTE the koran & islamic policy, and intentionally chose to be without the right or means to value for them for what they are, HUMAN BEINGS.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
    2028 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 2:45 am
    muslim is such a backward fu@&ing religion...girls go to prison for being raped and therefore unfaitful?!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 3:10 am
    @Ballthazaq: Juliet is 13, not 12 as you state. In fact, she is just two weeks shy of her 14th birthday. Granted, that`s still very young and a lot younger than Juliet appears in the sources for the play that Shakespeare used. Some speculate the Bard made her not quite 14 as an allusion to the number of lines in a sonnet and to convey the idea that Juliet was a barely-formed expression of young love.
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    massivekiduk Male 30-39
    50 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 3:27 am
    fundamentalism of any kind will ultimately lead to this type of non sensical behaviour. Not just in religion but in everyday life.
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
    440 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 4:07 am
    Watching this harrowing video made me uncomfortable and upset. I now have a tiny insight into the suffering of the women trapped in this situation. It is all too easy to "get on with your life" and forget or dismiss the problems of others as not directly realated to yourself.

    I am ashamed of my previous lack of empathy. I will try to make amends somehow.
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    Halfacookie Male 13-17
    25 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 4:36 am
    It is sad and very very unsettling to see this. But i will not hate Islam for it. Islam, just like christianity, is a believe based on ancient times.
    Where christian women freed themselves Islamic women have not (yet). I still hate the extremists who follow their holy book to the letter (christian or Islamic). They read their book without rationality, and disregard for modern times. It is the people who go without basic human sense are the ones that oppress others (be it gay, people of other religions or women) that ruin a religion our civilization. As i stated before, it is not the religion that kills or maim people. It is the mindless follower.

    /2ct
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 5:32 am
    I agree, Halfacookie.

    As a soon as I read: "Produced by the David Horowitz Freedom Center" (a right-wing think tank) I knew it would be biased and anti-islamic.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 5:34 am
    Allah is a douchebag.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 5:52 am
    This isn`t a biased report, well in some sense it is, but overall it`s utterly true. I`m sure there are a few things that would make them seem like better people, but not much, if anything.

    @Halfacookie

    Are you F`ing kidding? Christian women have never been oppressed like this. Not even remotely close. Worse we have ever done was a swift backhand followed by get back in the kitchen. We were never in the habit of mutilating and murdering our spouses.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 6:03 am
    @Sachi

    You didn`t read this tidbit:
    While only two states, California and Kentucky, have no statutory minimum age
    under which marriage licenses will not be issued, many states with a minimum age
    requirement do permit marriages between minors under that age

    That`s from your source
  84. Profile photo of Wendypants
    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 6:12 am
    EgalM, sorry, but Christian women WERE treated almost that badly for quite a long time... "rule of thumb" sound familiar? (A man was allowed to beat his wife as he wanted as long as the stick was no wider than the thickness of his thumb.) For centuries a man was able to beat and murder their wives with barely any consequences... it happened, but I will agree with you that it was not on the scale that we see in, say, Iran at the moment.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 6:13 am
    OOps, I meant to type "a man was able to beat and murder his wife (wives) ..."
  86. Profile photo of Halfacookie
    Halfacookie Male 13-17
    25 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 6:45 am
    @egaIM,
    I can`t say i`m sure to what extend christianity is comparable to islam in regards to how the (used to) treat their women. My point was that both the bible and the quran have passages that are really demeaning towards women, gays, followers of a different (and therefor wrong) religion, etc. What i was getting at was that yes, these things are horrible. But you can`t state that it is all the fault of the quran. Yes in that book it is written that they should stone their women to death when they are raped. But there are passages in the bible of similar in content.
    It is the follower that does the wrongs. For one he shouldn`t let his happiness and meaningfulness depend on a book (but thats another story).
    People often say "it`s not the gun that kills, it`s the person behind the gun", well, "it`s not the (holy)book that kills, it`s the person reading it". The problem with guidelines on how to live is that they are used as one interprets it.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 7:09 am
    Utterly depressing to watch first thing in the morning.
    Thanks for making my day, IAB. -_-
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 7:30 am
    @Wendypants

    You have the origin of "rule of thumb" wrong. "Rule of thumb" as a phrase predates all such known references to wife beating, in any case. The "rule of thumb" was used for measurements in many different fields, from brewing to money-changing to art. There is and was no such "rule" in English common law. Not everything you see on TV is true.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 7:54 am
    @Wendypants

    yes, centuries ago christian cultures were primative. Not to the extent of slicing through a woman`s throat or cutting her eyes out though, so not really the same thing as spanking your spouse.

    Those backward cultures need time to catch up with the civilized world. I say "backward" because my neighbor {Iraqi born & raised} calls his own culture "backward". He`s lived in it so I`ll default to his description that they are "still in the dark ages socially".
  90. Profile photo of bigbangbilly
    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 8:18 am
    The video is very depressing.
    Is self defense information allowed in those places?
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 8:51 am
    also, i would like to point out that there are plenty of women in my city right now that are being rented by pimps who use addiction and fear to control them also there are plenty of non Muslims trafficking human female sex slaves globally. I would like to point out that gender oppression is not specific to Islam.I do not know enough about Islam to speak on the subject, I do however know that in almost every culture women are not seen as equals, even among the atheists and agnostics. I don`t think the problem is that men see women as less than they are, its more that men tend to delude themselves into believing that they are far more important than reality would indicate. Take the time to really analyze what it is you specifically bring to the table. What function in the continued existence and evolution of our species do you play?
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
    266 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 9:15 am
    Chimmeychang: atheists being sexists? you kidding me? I have yet to meet an atheist guy who doesn`t think women are equal to men and deserve the same rights than them.
    The difference between islam and pimps is that pimps are sociopathic mysoginist non-nice individuals and islam is a sociopathic mysoginist anti-humanist fear mongering double faced religion with billions of followers who have yet to have their religion dragged out of the dark ages kicking and screaming by secularists into modernity, like they did with christianity.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
    2790 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    is this why we`re at war?



    all kidding aside, that is aweful
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    krisbrown Male 30-39
    161 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    atheism or agnosticism are the way to go people. seriously, f religion.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    chimneychang said " i would like to point out that there are plenty of women in my city right now that are being rented by pimps who use addiction and fear to control them also there are plenty of non Muslims trafficking human female sex slaves globally."

    Yes... and those men are criminals. That behavior is not tolerated or allowed by society. That`s the main differance. The slavery of women is not condoned by our governments, only islamic ones.
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    blounsb999 Male 40-49
    183 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    First of all, can we clear up one thing: by definition, a religion is based on a shared belief or dogma. A-theism is now so organized as to dogmatic itself.
    As to Muslim dress codes and treatment of women, we should look no further than this country and some of the more fundamental sects, both Protestant and Mormon, and clean our own house before we start condemning others - let alone waging war on them.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    I`ve actually read pieces of the Qur`an. It is the most male chauvinistic, brainwashing, hateful book I`ve ever had the displeasure of reading.

    See, the Qur`an says that Allah is the same God that gave the Christians the Gospel and the Jews the Torah, yet apparently they are the ones who are right, everyone else is wrong, and they`ll kill anyone who believes otherwise. It also actually says its okay to beat your wife(s) if they disobey you, that everyone who isn`t Muslim is going to Hell, and that Jesus (this one is golden) was Islamic, not Jewish (this is just a side not but bear with me for a second; if Jesus was Muslim and performed miracles, why is Muhammad so much more important when he could not?)

    It also says that women who have sex before marriage should be punished severely, but men can basically get off the hook with nothing. Actually if you ask me, this is a great argument for homosexuality to be legal in Islam.
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    boogalo Male 30-39
    28 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    fundamental difference: a mormon woman is not killed for showing her face. nor is her clitoris removed to prevent sexual liberation.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    Religion-a way to have an imaginary friend without having to see a shrink.
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    Dagaz20 Female 18-29
    382 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    f*cked up
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    1235 planets found I-A-B



    The other planets could be worse.
    However should we contact other planets when there are problems on planet earth? Censorship would make the problems worse.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm
    "rule of thumb" sound familiar? (A man was allowed to beat his wife as he wanted as long as the stick was no wider than the thickness of his thumb.) For centuries a man was able to beat and murder their wives with barely any consequences... it happened

    Feminist revisionism for the purposes of propaganda is not the same as reality, no matter how many times you`ve been told to believe it without thinking, let alone checking.

    The origin of the phrase "rule of thumb" is the use of a thumb as a measuring device (i.e. a rule). An experienced artisan could get an adequately accurate measurement that way, which is why "rule of thumb" means "an adequately accurate guide derived from experience".

    The feminist revisionist nonsense doesn`t make any sense, has no connection to the meaning of the phrase and didn`t appear until centuries after the phrase was in common usage.

    And no, men couldn`t murder their w
  103. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 7:42 pm
    I wish people would look at some history, rather than mindlessly believing propaganda.

    I wouldn`t be surprised if you think "history" is a shortened form of "his story".
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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    917 posts
    July 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    My views: It doesn`t matter what country this is in, it doesn`t matter what religion they follow, or what their religion states. It just needs to stop.

    It`s when people start bickering over the details of the who, what, when, where that you forget the problem at hand. I don`t believe that everyone should jump on the hate wagon against Muslims or Islam, but there definitely needs to be awareness raised, and pressure put on any country that has these practices happening to stop. They probably do have laws forbidding events like these from occurring, but until they truly start enforcing them and putting an end to a public acceptance of violence towards women, things will never change.
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    Bo_SHhaYeB Male 18-29
    276 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 2:50 am
    How sad to see people believe this kind of vids.
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    TrollSwatter Female 30-39
    1 post
    July 8, 2011 at 6:46 am
    How sad to see people who don`t.
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    stevenash Male 18-29
    124 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 10:25 am
    I am still bored. and now depressed. way to go IAB.

    Besides bad people are bad, no matter what their religion, what their race is, or what their BMI is.
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    Rogan Female 18-29
    46 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 11:08 am
    @BO_SHAYEB
    You make me sick. To even say something like that is putrid. This is a very real video and this is happening in our world while we all eat our ben and jerrys and cry over our hang nails. So shut the drat up.
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    thecupholder Female 18-29
    105 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    I abhor any religion that deems it necessary to treat women as dogs. My grandmother lived in Saudi for 20 years.. from the 70`s to the 80`s.. and can still tearfully recall women having their hands cut off, stoned to death, and beaten to death by their own family. It still happens every day. Women try desperately to protest with their own lives at stake for the most simplest things we take for granted. They have to have a male guardian driving, nor may any female may be in the front seat at any time, or they will often be jailed and beaten.. for DRIVING. If their husbands think that they glanced at another man on the street.. they will beat them right there and even have the right to deem the harlots for lusting after another man, for GLANCES.
    The men there are f-ing insane and often taunted my grandmother because they believed American women were sleazy. She was even on lock down at an embassy because a british woman was kidnapped by Saudi men. =( They never found her.Its all rea
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    That`s why I laugh when people say we have no right to kill these guys. Look at what they do to their own women. Even then Koran endorses this type of behavior. Someone has to give these women a voice. Absolutley sad.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    July 8, 2011 at 5:35 pm
    Also, what a bunch of badass men. They can beat up and terrorize women. Woohoo tough guys. I really think they treat their women that way because they prefer other men. Why does it upset people so much when we go after Islamic cultures? Is this not true, what`s in the video? We`ve all seen it several times before. Women don`t have rights over there. A girl gets raped and it`s her fault? And people whine about how we treat these idiots in Guantanamo and other places.
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    last_metroid Female 18-29
    87 posts
    July 10, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Islam, or religions in general= the ultimate brainwashing.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    July 12, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    this made me cry :(
    especially the women`s circumcision bit, its so horrible

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