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52 Responses to Obama Certifies The End Of Dont Ask Dont Tell

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    Link: Obama Certifies The End Of Dont Ask Dont Tell - So what do you think, I-A-B?
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    And they all lived happily ever after...
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    I think our military just got a little bit more...
    FABULOUS!
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    fancy, you make me want to type that, just to see. but i know better. i know what kind of terrifying things the internet may have in store for me.
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    Brian 61316 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    So will the gay soldiers shower with girls? and what about bisexuals? Hmmm
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm



    Yay America is Super!!!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    About damn time.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    I can`t go into this debate again but I say, "FINALLY"! I am currently overseas and I am for it but just because it`s going to be "ok" to come out soon doesn`t mean that anyone will. It will still be frowned upon and VERY taboo and WILL have repercussions even though technically it`s not against policy. The only bad thing is that this will add YET ANOTHER sensitivity training class on top of all the other poo we have to take. **SIGH**
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    So will the gay soldiers shower with girls? and what about bisexuals? Hmmm

    Over here, we just kept with sexually segregated showers. And...nothing happened. I doubt if anything will happen in the USA either, since you also have a well trained, capable and professional army. Soldiers are of necessity practical. "Is Steve up to the job?" has a much higher priority than "Does Steve fancy men or women?" when your life may well depend on Steve being up to the job.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:33 pm
    Do NOT type in `Gay Military` when Googling for accompanying photos for story.

    Yet somehow you managed to pick out a terrific thumbnail photo for the story. I know it`s not your thing, but congrats anyway.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    A serious and important story marred by that stupid thumbnail. Thanks for ignoring the stereotype and enforcing modernity... oh wait...
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    So will the gay soldiers shower with girls?

    In boot camp we showered in a single room with 6 shower heads and there were a few guys in our division who were clearly gay. No one cared.

    One of those guys came out a month after we left boot cause he wanted a discharge. We all pretended to be surprised.

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    funnehkitteh Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    so?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    and then....
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 22, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I expect the military will fall apart now as predicted by the conservatives.

    Either that or it will get way more stylish.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    I am so proud of our country, our military leaders and our President.
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    janeenie Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    gerry- your comment really made my evening
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    as a former military man myself i have one question. even though i have no problems with this, i want to know if it will be equal. now that gay people can openly stare at his/her squads "junk" in showers, does that mean straight people can now join the other sexes showers? lol if so i need to re-enlist lol
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    as a former military man myself i have one question. even though i have no problems with this, i want to know if it will be equal. now that gay people can openly stare at his/her squads "junk" in showers, does that mean straight people can now join the other sexes showers? lol if so i need to re-enlist lol
    Mandingo, as an only-very-slightly former military man myself, don`t you think that militay professionals would have the dignity to not "stare at each other`s junk". Pretty sure that if that were to happen in the shower-block, whether straight, bi, or gay, men or women, someone would get smacked upside the head pretty quick.

    Pretty sure they would have the professionalism to turn around, mind their own business, and get clean.

    I dunno, that`s how I see our military professionals working. Getting the job done, rather than going for a quick oogle in the showers. Maybe I just have more respect for military personnel than you do
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    July 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm
    Just how many gays are really wanting to serve in the military? I mean, is this really a problem worthy of years of argument? I don`t much care either way, so long as the military people can do the job. But I suspect the loudest advocates aren`t really arguing that gays should serve, they are arguing that gays shouldn`t be excluded. In other words, to make themselves feel good for fighting for gay rights in general.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 12:42 am
    @Oldfrt, I`m sure there are gays who would like to serve in the military that believe arguing for years about your rights is important, even though you are just one person. I`m sure they would still find it important even knowing that you don`t find their cause equally important. I think they understand that even one person losing their rights makes us all vulnerable to losing rights.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 2:09 am
    It`s hard to say Oldfrt how many gays are in the service or want to join the service. But at least 11,000 service members have been discharged under Don`t Ask Don`t Tell since 1997. The Pentagon didn`t collect data for the first four years so the number is higher. Of those 11,000+ nearly 1,000 specialists with vital skills (Arabic linguists for example) have been forced out. That`s millions of taxpayer dollars spent on military training wasted. Also about $22,000 to $43,000 is needed to replace each individual discharged under DADT. As a fiscal conservative I`m sure you will appreciate the savings.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 4:32 am
    davy: someone would get smacked upside the head pretty quick.

    But wouldn`t that be considered `Gay Bashing` ? and wouldn`t that effect unit cohesion and morale ?

    I`m surprised that you would suggest that any ogling problem should/would be solved with violence.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 5:00 am
    Looking at junk in the showers? Whatever, let them. As long as they don`t make it physical, who cares? At the end of the day, nudism does not automatically mean sexualism. Believe it or not, some of we gays are able to see a naked dude and not feel the overwhelming urge to have sex with them. Sometimes people are just people.

    Plus there`s such a thing as professionalism. These folks are your friends and colleagues, so itd probably not feel right perving on them.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:14 am
    The fact there was even a like the "dont ask, dont tell" (and yes it was a law, not a policy) in this day and age, beggars belief. It`s like the U.S is living in a different era to the rest of the world.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:24 am
    @CrakrJak

    Predictably you`re generalizing

    but now stretching terms much?
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    Commentator Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:25 am
    For those of you who think that homosexuality and excellent military service do not go together, I suggest you get educated and find out who the Spartans were in ancient history.

    Additionally, precluding 20% of your populace from serving is a sure recipe for dissolution of the state.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:35 am
    Looking At Junk
    Why is this such a big fear? As if straight guys don`t ever looked at another guys stuff in the shower to check how he measures up?

    I think you are afraid they will
    Laugh At Your Junk
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:38 am
    @Commentator

    Don`t forget Alexander the Great.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 23, 2011 at 7:22 am
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 23, 2011 at 7:59 am
    As a straight male Marine, I am super happy about the decision. I am currently making tons of cash stripping in gay clubs and now I know that I don`t have to worry about getting accused of being gay. Plus, I am getting tired of all the ignorance of the gay bashers.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 23, 2011 at 8:08 am
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    buttsdowhat Female 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 9:24 am
    Aw. Now men can`t get out of the draft by claiming they`re gay.
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    Jade_Phoenix Female 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    Oh Gerry...you amuse me. ^_^
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    Lobotomy Male 13-17
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    July 23, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    @buttsdowhat Too bad there`s no draft anymore.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    @ splurbyburbl

    which clubs and when is showtime? :D
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 7:23 pm
    For those of you who think that homosexuality and excellent military service do not go together, I suggest you get educated and find out who the Spartans were in ancient history.

    It`s probably not a good idea to use Sparta as an example. It was a military dictatorship in which only 10% of people were free in any way, nobody was completely free (that 10% were in service to the army), where all male people were conscripted at the age of 6, where killing civilians on command was a common piece of final training for soldiers and where what we would call paedophilia was normal.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    Also, when did we get to 20% of the population being homosexual? I`m thinking that`s not very likely.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 23, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    I missed the best bit!

    Additionally, precluding 20% of your populace from serving is a sure recipe for dissolution of the state.

    Considering that every state that has ever existed has precluded at least 20% of the populace from serving, you are obviously wrong. Sparta, to carry on with your example, precluded more than 95% of the populace.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    July 24, 2011 at 6:15 am
    angilion you are aware that the spartans fell apart pretty damn quickly
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 24, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Angilion "when did we get to 20% of the population being homosexual?"
    The first Kinsey Report said 10% but the second Kinsey in the 90`s said 20-25%. The second was rejected immediately by conservatives at the time and the number most commanly accpeted is between 10-15%.

    But what does that mean? 10-15% means gays are As numerous as Blacks, More numerous than Jews, not quite as numerous as Hispanics. In short, there are tons of us.

    Always been there... always will be.


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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 8:57 am
    The first Kinsey report was in 1948, the second in 1953. The website of the Kinsey Institute shows no Kinsey reports in the 1990s. It does list many studies over the last 60 years into what proportion of people are homosexual, which yield results from 1% to 14%, but 14% only for men and that includes all homosexual activity described as "more than incidental", regardless of the men`s actual preferences. A lot of genuinely homosexual people have had some heterosexual activity at some point in time - would you class them all as heterosexual because of that?

    You seem to be:

    Cherry-picking the highest estimate.
    Ignoring everything about what it actually states.
    Adding some more onto it to make it even higher.
    Making up a source to give false authority to your fictional number.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 8:59 am
    [quote">Tabulations by Gebhard (McWhirter 1990) on Kinsey`s basic sample of noninstitutionalized males and females indicated that "13.95% of males and 4.25% of females, or a combined average of 9.13%" had had either "extensive" or "more than incidental" homosexual experience. These figures were not weighted by marital status.[/quote">

    Kinsey Institute
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 9:07 am
    So...according to what you claim is your source (the Kinsey Institute), the proportion of people in the USA who are homosexual is probably just a couple of percent, with varying degrees of bisexuality being much more common and most of that being experimentation in adolescence.

    Showing a sepia photograph that might or might not be old (it`s easy to make a digital photo look like an old sepia one) and might or might not show a homosexual couple (you must be aware that customs in the past aren`t necessarily the same as customs in the present) is very effective because humans are primarily visual, but it do not constitute proof the the very high numbers you want to be true.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 9:22 am
    Oh, it`s a painting that looks like a sepia photo. So it`s not necessarily a depiction of anything that every happened.

    Look at the actual results of studies done during the 90s and now shown on the Kinsey Institute website.

    Link

    "5-6% of adults as homosexual or bisexual since age 18 (with the percentage for exclusive homosexuality as less than 1%)"

    "4% of men and 2% of women self-identified as homosexual."

    "2% of sexually active men in the survey reported same-gender sexual activity during the last 10 years, with 1% reporting being "exclusively homosexual" during this time"

    "Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual ident
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 9:35 am
    In short, the actual results bear no resemblence to your claims.

    In fact, they are far below the ~10% figure that has become generally accepted, let alone the ~20% that you claim (the next target in the numbers game, presumably).

    I think it`s counter-productive to make up ever-increasing numbers for what proportion of people are homosexual. It`s not difficult for anyone to find out that the numbers are highly inflated. That dishonesty does not paint a good picture.

    Unless, of course, you`re not interested in fairness or truth and just want big numbers to use as propaganda to gain ever-increasing group power. It`s not counter-productive then, because in that context it doesn`t matter if anyone who checks finds out your numbers are fake. Most people don`t check anything.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 9:43 am
    angilion you are aware that the spartans fell apart pretty damn quickly

    You are now aware of the post I was replying to, because I`m going to quote it here:

    For those of you who think that homosexuality and excellent military service do not go together, I suggest you get educated and find out who the Spartans were in ancient history.

    Additionally, precluding 20% of your populace from serving is a sure recipe for dissolution of the state.

    I stand by my position that it`s not a good idea to use Sparta as an example of it being a good thing to have homosexuality openly in the military, or anything else. Sparta was a harsh, weird, unfree and brutal society.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 24, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    @ Angilion

    I`m not cherry picking. I`m good with the standard 10%. You asked, I answered. don`t be hatin just cause you don`t like the answer.

    Sources... who needs them. I just went from memory and the controversy over the second kinsey I thought was in the 90`s ... could be 80`s. You asked, That`s my recollection, shut up. don`t be hatin` hater.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    July 24, 2011 at 10:27 pm
    The 20% is in fantasy land. It`s 2 to 4% at the most. There were 109 people in my graduation class. 2 of us were gay, and one lesbian. I like the pole not the hole. The other gay was so gay. He is fabulous. I`ve seen him walk into a party on 36 hours of no sleep and was the life of the party. You might as well not have a party without one fabulous homosexual.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 25, 2011 at 12:37 am
    I`m not cherry picking. I`m good with the standard 10%. You asked, I answered. don`t be hatin just cause you don`t like the answer.

    Sources... who needs them. I just went from memory and the controversy over the second kinsey I thought was in the 90`s ... could be 80`s. You asked, That`s my recollection, shut up. don`t be hatin` hater.

    So when I use your own sources to disprove your claims, you respond with an untrue statement about what you said, false accusations of hatred and a demand for me to shut up.

    That says a lot about you and none of it is good.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 25, 2011 at 12:44 am
    But at least your extra inflation of the made-up numbers caused me to look at actual information and find out that the 10% figure that`s been successfully installed as common knowledge is also wrong and completely inflated.

    So...why do you want to pretend that there are ~10 times as many homosexuals as there actually are? What difference does it make?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 25, 2011 at 12:48 am
    And once again, the second Kinsey was in 1953. Not the 90s that you originally claimed it was and not the 80s that you`re know trying to slide in as the date. And it was only about women. And it didn`t have the numbers you claim it had.

    Making a false claim of authority can be useful if you not bothered about being dishonest, but when your numbers are completely fictional you are better off not pretending they came from any source because sooner or later someone will check.

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