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74 Responses to Gay Barbarian Horde Glitters Bachmann Clinic

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8033 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    Link: Gay Barbarian Horde Glitters Bachmann Clinic - Responding to Bachman allegedly referring to gays as barbarians, a horde descended upon the `pray away the gay` clinic.
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    Lantis Female 18-29
    27 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    Oh how I love the gay community <3 <3 you guys are amazing >w<
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    This idea probably seemed incredibly funny when they were all sat around drinking the night before, then upon executing it, it just became awkward and stupid.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    Hehe, in the last thread on this subject, not_me said: "Am I the only one imagining a rampaging hoarde of gay Barbarians?".

    Sir, I believe you have your wish!
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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    Close that place down and bill them for refund.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    "This idea probably seemed incredibly funny when they were all sat around drinking the night before, then upon executing it, it just became awkward and stupid."

    Not at all dude. This is a peaceful protest at its best. Something was actually accomplished. No blood was shed.

    Now lets look at these groups that protest gays.....

    Who is the real problem?
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    @Steelgrid. I don`t know what was achieved besides lolz. But they WERE some pretty epic lolz.
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    Blatto Male 18-29
    358 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    Marcus Bachmann is definitely gay. I mean come on, just admit it, man.
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm
    @sbeelz did you meant lulz?
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    "@Steelgrid. I don`t know what was achieved besides lolz. But they WERE some pretty epic lolz."

    Guess who has publicity. Guess who is celebrating the peaceful protest. Guess who made it into social media sites and being hailed by some.

    Honestly, quite a bit was accomplished in the way of a moral boost to alot of people. It also highlights the still ever-present stigma that is homosexuality. Even if the intentions were not immediately clear.

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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    Cos play failure.
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
    101 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    Yessssss.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    Could only have been better if Rip Taylor was leading the horde.
  14. Profile photo of Aragnarok
    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    When is somebody going to stand up and stop gay bullying?! And I don`t mean people bullying gays, but rather gays bullying everyone else into forcing them to accept them. What about free will? What about freedom of choice? The very thing they say they fight for is to be accepted for who they are, yet at every turn there are gay protesters trying to force people against their will to accept them and not letting people be who THEY are. So basically the gay community are drating hypocrites. /rant *Now we wait.....*
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:33 pm
    Really Aragnarok? The bigots push and push and push and push and push and push and push and push and push. Yet when the gays finally push back we`re the bullies? Nice spin. Don`t think it will stick. But nice try.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm
    It`s a bit sad and wrong that in light of all the things he *has* said about homosexuality, they focus on something he was wrongly accused of saying.

    But it was a good protest.

    It reminds me of someone in the 60s in England who built a Rolls-Royce aero engine into a car and drove it around. That wasn`t illegal, but they charged him with some catch-all motoring offence anyway. So he accidentally-on-purpose happened to have his car break down outside the court, turning it into a media circus. The judge criticised him for having a cavalier attitude towards the law, so he turned up the next day riding a horse and dressed as a Cavalier. Style. It didn`t stop him getting done for contempt of court, but it sure got him publicity.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    Actually Bachman was talking about gay kids. He wasn`t wrongly accused. Here`s the full tape: Bachman Gay Barbarians
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:52 pm
    I started stripping in gay clubs recently... make a lot of money as a second job, but some gay guys are pretty friggin creepy/ disgusting. (but we all know hetero`s are the same) but it has been quite the learning experience so far.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm
    oops, my mistake. They charged him with infringement of copyright because it wasn`t an approved modification and he kept the RR logo on.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    Actually Bachman was talking about gay kids. He wasn`t wrongly accused.

    Yes he was, because he was referring to them as barbarians because of their age, not because of their sexual orientation. He has referred to heterosexual adolescents as barbarians too.

    Therefore the allegation that he was referring to all homosexuals and only homosexuals as barbarians is wrong.
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    LadyIsis Female 18-29
    403 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm
    Well, he basically asked for it....

    And they look like they enjoyed it :-D
    I love gay people
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    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    @markust123 - lol! Come on! If you can`t make fun of liberal hypocrisy for doing the exact thing they say oppresses them, what can you make fun of? ;P
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    If it is true that he calls children in general barbarians I`ve called children worse. Doesn`t make him any less of a douche.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    Aragnarok this is way extreme but show me one example of a gay person murdering a bigot or even beating them up for that matter. Gays peacefully push back but it is that a push back. Gay people are murdered, harassed, bullied and executed every day in the world because of the anti-gay rhetoric by leaders like Markus Bachman. Gay people are not looking for acceptance just tolerance.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    I started another silly debate. Sorry guys. Sorry Aragnarok. You`re cool.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36201 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Silly, gays! Any excuse to dress up!
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    iceblack Male 18-29
    551 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    I lol`ed so hard when they started dancing!...
    That`s so effing funny! Awesome!
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    Aragnarok
    "When is somebody going to stand up and stop gay bullying?! And I don`t mean people bullying gays, but rather gays bullying everyone else into forcing them to accept them."

    Bullying has been around since Cain vs. Abel etc... and it will be around FOREVER. It`s in the nature of many species. Freedom is, and always will be interpretive. It`s an illusion. You just gotta learn to live with in the system you accept, or else bully someone, group, or country etc... into your acceptable standards.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm
    If you actually watched the video you would realize how ridiculous your gay bully talk sounds.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
    747 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    I`m fine with protesting (though in this case I don`t agree with them), but I`m not fine with protesting at the expense of an unwilling participant. Take it to the streets and keep it out of private property lest you be considered uncouth tools.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
    1216 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    It was alright, but I didn`t like how they stuck to stereotypes that many gays are trying to -wear- off... SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2011 at 9:45 pm
    That shameful stunt just set back their cause to anyone that was slightly sympathetic to them.

    They`d just as well drop trou and started talking out their ass like Ace Ventura, That`s about how mature they were acting.

    Seriously, Adolescent like behavior will not score you points for any cause.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    When Bachman said "barbarians need to be educated," he was obviously referring to children, not gays. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant, i.e., they didn`t read or listen to the entire quote in context, or they are lying. In either case, they are simply using this incident as an excuse to express hate toward a political opponent. They`re perfectly free to do that, but they shouldn`t then turn around and blow smoke up my ass and tell me how much more tolerant they are.

    Liberals are without question the most intolerant people on earth. No one is forcing anyone to go to Bachman`s center, so why do they give a flying b**tf**k anyway?
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:04 pm
    That shameful stunt just set back their cause to anyone that was slightly sympathetic to them... Seriously, Adolescent like behavior will not score you points for any cause.
    Crakrjak, at a current rating of 3.7 out of 4 for this link at time of posting, it appears that 92.5% of people here disagree.
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    McGizzles Male 13-17
    7 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    Old Ollie, people`s parents are forcing them to go to the center.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    Aragnarok you actually make a pretty good point. Im all about free speech for everyone, even dumbasses like the Bachmanns. I don`t think running in their little stupid clinic and harassing the people that work there is really doing anything for their cause. CrakrJak was right, it was adolescent and may alienate some people.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    Oh come on davymid, it`s rated so high because we all hate that dumb fatass and his mutant wife. They could have staged a more clever protest than that.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    Why would a family values councilor call children barbarians? Kind of throws the whole family values thing out the window. It`s cracking me up that people are defending Marcus Bachman. Is winning the argument more important than being a decent member of society?
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 10:55 pm
    "Aragnarok you actually make a pretty good point."

    No, he does not. You cannot expect a group of people to be beaten down, hidden, tabooed, and feared without said group retaliating. It can only go on so long. This group could have gone about things much differently, perhaps not as peacefully.

    Where would the Black Community be without constant "Bullying" as it is being called, to get people to accept them.

    Pure and simple, dont bully a group, then attack them when they finally fought back. The GLT community is not bullying anyone, they are just trying to get to a norm where bigots leave them the f*ck alone and let them live their own lives.
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    Apocalyte Male 40-49
    7 posts
    July 21, 2011 at 11:55 pm
    Conan the Fabulous...
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
    934 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 12:07 am
    gay
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    jak22 Male 18-29
    154 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 1:04 am
    crakrjack- haha i thought it was awesome. it was a small group too, it wasnt like every single gay person in the world stormed their office, i counted 20, maybe. they threw Fkin glitter. thats it. i dont think it was meant to be a massive statement. haha looked kinda fun really. way to generalize. the cool part is if u read this you will make a detailed reply of why i am wrong with more bulpoo tacked on to defend your position. dude, your kinda sad. mid forties and this is what you do. seriously,almost every post on this website you comment on. go get a real hobby buddy.
    yeah i know that was an ad hominem too, im just really sick of seeing your weak comments on here.
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
    1443 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 1:54 am
    Conan the Barbarian? More like Colon the Invader!
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    kairobert Male 18-29
    1626 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 2:02 am
    Being gay is probably from birth, but being fabulous is not. I accept all homosexuals, but I wish they would not fabulously flash around as a reaction to the conservatives. That`s all fabulous is, a reaction to a moronic mainstream culture. The reaction is equally moronic.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
    1626 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 2:05 am
    "When is somebody going to stand up and stop gay bullying?! And I don`t mean people bullying gays, but rather gays bullying everyone else into forcing them to accept them. What about free will? What about freedom of choice? The very thing they say they fight for is to be accepted for who they are, yet at every turn there are gay protesters trying to force people against their will to accept them and not letting people be who THEY are. So basically the gay community are drating hypocrites. /rant *Now we wait.....*"

    Animals have no free will. You say you have your own free will to be biased. If so, the cow has its own free will to eat grass.
    This does not only apply to conservatives, they are only the ones most troubled by the mental illness.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
    759 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 2:07 am
    That`ll show `em that gay men aren`t flamboyant stereotypes more interested in attention than substance! Go team!
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
    515 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 2:38 am
    You know if christians stormed into a gay bar the way those gays went into that office building there would be a major bashing of christians. But these christians they are harassing never went out and bothered anyone, all their clients came to them. Tolerance goes both ways.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 3:34 am
    The Bachmanns deserve this. There`s no way in hell Michelle will ever be president but now she will probably think twice before bashing an entire class of people because they are not like her. Shame is a powerful tool and these gay guys did it right. Props.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 4:31 am
    @tsiemens

    "You know if christians stormed into a gay bar the way those gays went into that office building there would be a major bashing of christians."

    You know it does go both ways, right? Westboro Baptists?

    These gay people are hassling people who aren`t bothering anyone, whilst those "Christians" (if you can call the Westboro lot that) are hassling people who aren`t bothering anyone.

    I agree that the protestors here have set back their cause, but you can`t pretend that the other side is untarnished by their own foaming fringe.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 4:34 am
    @Aragnarok

    Let`s apply some time machine to your statement:

    "When is somebody going to stand up and stop black bullying?! And I don`t mean people bullying blacks, but rather blacks bullying everyone else into forcing them to accept them. What about free will? What about freedom of choice? The very thing they say they fight for is to be accepted for who they are, yet at every turn there are black protesters trying to force people against their will to accept them and not letting people be who THEY are. So basically the black community are drating hypocrites."
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 5:47 am
    150K in medicaid, federal and state aid? Now that is Gov`t waste.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 7:33 am
    whats with the homosexual agenda of this site
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
    132 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 7:43 am
    Well it appears here comments were correct, as this group of morons proves. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, it just seems in the last ten years that if you have an opinion different from a minority group, that you are the one that has a problem. They will force you to accept their deviant mannerisms.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 8:21 am
    Totally awesome.

    (out before I get drawn into another debate)
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2011 at 8:26 am
    @birdawg68, Sorry but nobody here knows or cares what you consider `deviant`. I`m quite certain from your judgmental post that you`re no puritan peach yourself. Yeah minorities throughout history have sought and fought for equality. You`re now going to be forced to live alongside people you dislike and there`s not a thing you can do about it. Just like your mammy and pappy needed to adjust to black people sitting at the front of the bus and sharing the same water fountains, you`ll now be forced to bite your tongue when you walk your son down the isle and give him to his husband. Sucks to be you.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 22, 2011 at 8:31 am
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    drips Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 9:56 am
    Jeez, those barbarians were totes gay.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 10:47 am
    "They will force you to accept their deviant mannerisms."

    Seriously bigot? How is their mannerisms deviant? Who is hating on who here. Would that not make YOUR mannerisms deviant?

    Jackass
  59. Profile photo of Aragnarok
    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 10:57 am
    @Musuko42 - lol! You know my statement wasn`t about validity of equal rights for any particular group, but rather making fun of the hypocrisy of behaviour. While I know you were trying to make a point with your example of black people, unfortunately your statement only further proves what I said. The current liberal mindset is so far skewed the other way now regarding black people that they believe only white people can be racist and that only white people can commit hate crimes and not the other way around. That is one of the most blindly brain damaged things I have ever heard people say as racism is clearly racism regardless of source. The same hypocrisy can be said for different groups using certain words that supposedly only belong to them. Again it is hypocritical behaviour that should be addressed here, otherwise you are not fighting for equality but rather specialized treatment of certain groups which is now clearly evident in our society, therefore any side can be bullies.
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    keelie880 Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 1:47 pm
    Marus Bachmann asked for it. They delivered. QED.
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    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    wow what a surprise. using a lady gaga song.
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    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    "whats with the homosexual agenda of this site"
    i don`t think there`s necessarily a gay agenda on this site, more of an "equal rights for everyone" agenda.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 22, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    @Aragnarok. Steelgrid and Musuko42 completely blew your argument out of the water by replacing the word gay with black. When you do that it clearly shows how bigoted your argument is. Now you are trying to spin your original argument but It`s not working. You lost the argument. And you are losing respect because you can`t admit that you misspoke. It is the same reason Sara Palin gets so little respect - she never admits when she is wrong. She just spins her answer into "I meant this". The people that gain respect are the ones that can admit when they are wrong or made a mistake. Those are the strong leaders, good bosses and great friends.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    random
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    everyone knows he`s gay, right? Right?

    Wonder how many cameramen he has following him around waiting to catch him ordering a male prostitute.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    July 23, 2011 at 6:26 am
    Made me laugh, they made their point quite clear.
  67. Profile photo of Aragnarok
    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 9:26 am
    @markust123 - Really? Are you that blind? Clearly you live in a different world inside your brain to come up with such delusional conclusions. First of all everything I said is correct and consistent from start to finish. Secondly, just because you say, "Herp, derp, derp!! They win!", does not make it so. You actually have to use logic and reasoning and real world scenarios, examples, etc., and actually have a point, of which you didn`t have any that wasn`t already addressed. Speaking of points, I always had one and it never changed though you claimed it did in your fantasy world. Now I suggest you go back to the beginning and try again only this time look up "trolling" because clearly you missed it and the clues I gave. You not only took the bait, but the hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Fisherman`s Times! It has been hilarious and exactly typical of the reactionary hypocrisy I predicted all along. But really, you`ll pretend I`m wrong to keep your delusion as th
  68. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 11:14 am
    Are you actually admitting you are a troll Aragnarok? I kind of suspected it when you reposted the same comment. If so I`ll add you to my list of peoples comments that I don`t read. So far just CrakrJak and 5Cats are on it.

    I`ve read your original Troll post a couple times over. I still don`t see it as anything other than bigotry. But you have claimed you were trolling so that makes sense. Nothing gets a rise out of people on this site like blatant bigotry.
  69. Profile photo of Aragnarok
    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 11:39 am
    @markust123 - You know what? It is probably better that you don`t read my posts then as it seems you are completely incapable of comprehending them. The only bigoted comments have come from you as my entire point was the hypocrisy of behaviour which was the only thing I talked about and and made fun of and nothing else. I actually believe in equality for all people, however that does not mean that everyone gets a free pass to act like a jackhole just because you belong to a certain group. That is not what equality means, and again that was my point. I am sorry you keep missing this blatant difference and can only assume you are so blinded by your self-righteous crusade that you can`t see facts and reason and/or humour. Yes, I knew some people would be reactionary and then get a laugh once they realized what I actually said, however your failure to recognize any of this and continue on with your own prejudiced accusations is frankly just sad. Get help. Or find the laugh. ;D
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    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Oh and I personally didn`t double post my comment, this site just does that sometimes for some unknown reason.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    I`m not a bigot you are. I love your Pee Wee Herman technique (I know you are but what am I). Look three people thought you were being a bigot so clearly your point about hypocrisy was lost in translation. It happens with the written word. How about we call this a case of misunderstanding all around and go out and enjoy this wonderful day.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    that was so gay.
  73. Profile photo of Aragnarok
    Aragnarok Male 30-39
    51 posts
    July 23, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    @markust123 - lol! You keep proving my point about hypocritical behaviour better than any example I could give as anyone can be a bigot regardless of what side of an issue they take! So fine, we`ll end it here and maybe one day I hope you realize that I have always been on the side of equal rights, the same side you are on, and that the issue was this hypocrisy of behaviour in practice and not anything else you have somehow perceived it to be. Cheers! :D
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    July 24, 2011 at 7:00 am
    old news.

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