Casey Anthony Jury Is The Same As Republican Base?

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 6 years ago in
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Bill Maher states that it is...in a message for all republicans, unless you"re an ultra rich republican
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Male 64
It`s true that everything points to Casey Anthony, it`s true that she is the only logical murderer at this point, but it hasn`t been PROVED. That`s the biggest thing about the whole case. Yes, the common man knows she is guilty, anyone can see that and I`m sure the jurors see that, but the problem is it only points to her, it does not pinpoint her "beyond a shadow of a doubt." Casey Anthony did it, but the jurors made the right legal choice in acquitting her because by our legal standards the evidence was not enough.
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Male 408
I like bill maher on religion but not politics. Super one sided, He spins poo as much as republicans do. Is this FEAR MONGERING BILL?!
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Male 146
@OutWest your comment is part of the whole problem with America. It`s people labeling themselves or others as liberals/conservatives, democrats/republicans. As soon as you do that, you then feel like an a hole if you vote against the side you have aligned with, even if the other side has an idea that will work far better then the side you root for. Case in point, Sarah Palin. The only reason someone should vote for her is if they also invest in pistols for when people commit suicide rather than be run by chinese. However, people will still vote for her because she`s Republican. (lack of space to provide Democratic example)Fact is, most people are to lazy to do research to understand what a candidate is all about so they check off when they see a D or an R. Until that changes, and people stop going all for one party because it is "their" party, we`re only going to go into a deeper and deeper hole.
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Male 546
The funny part is that liberals always think they are more intelligent and morally superior to their conservative fellow citizens!

Does he seem to be?

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Male 39,904

Octapus - [quote]"Thank god somebody can see what is really wrong in America." [/quote]

Shame it`s not anyone in power to make changes.
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Female 6
Thank god somebody can see what is really wrong in America.
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Male 1,404



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Male 4,902
He`s a c*ck rag, who cares what he thinks. I wish he would quit trying to pretend like he isn`t one of the "rich" people.
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Male 1,744
all i know is during bush, my taxes weren`t so bad. Now during obama, i pay $1000/mo in taxes, and i don`t make $100k a year.
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Male 35
@auburnjunky
For your second link.
Many good topics, but frightfully biased and points to conclusions that I’m certain I’ve heard opposing opinion from with just as much vigor and certainty (and not just on comment boards, fellow economists).
One example is number 9. The example Bill Gates leaving hides the point that one man/family has accrued so much money in a system of limited resources. Further, income has risen for the middle class, but has it kept pace with expenses that are seen as mandatory (gas, healthcare, education costs). A growth of 17% over a 24 year period seems rather pathetic when compared to a required 8% yearly growth from portfolios just to grow and curb inflation... over a 24 year period that is about 305% growth from the start. To put it another way, our health care costs just jumped another 34% this year alone. Did our pay increase to offset that cost? Hasn`t for the past 3 years at least.
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Male 35
@auburnjunky
Wish I had more time to address each point for conversation but I doubt anyone would enjoy that anyway. I’ll just make to posts and call it good. It is late, so I apologize if I made any mistakes in my argument.

For you first link
At an income of less than 30000, that is a difficult amount to live on in this country with any real hopes of saving, providing, etc. Standard responses like “get a better job” or “more education” can help... but aren’t a certainty and are a huge expense. The end of the article notes that 1646 filers in the ½ to full million range weren’t taxed even though they probably should have been due to errors in the system and offset the claim that it’s merely a matter of the lower 50% not paying.
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Male 214
Maher is a twit.. how serious can you really take him considering he dated Ann Coulter at one point?
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Male 599
So Pink and Green is really Bill Maher in troll.
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Male 39,904

AJ, we`re in agreement on that. We disagree on who`s currently paying them. it`s not the rich and it`s not the poor so . . . I guess that explains the deficit
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Male 10,338
That may be Gerry, but everyone should pay taxes, period.
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Male 39,904

@ auburnjunky ? WTH? who`s not paying tax?
Okay, I`m not now `cause I`m not working but
when I did it pissed me off that my co-worker, doing the same job paid $10,000 less in taxes because
he was too stupid to use a condom and had kids.

The Gov`ment didn`t go without that money, they
taxed someone else more...and it wasn`t the rich.
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Male 1,399
Still thinking with your emotions, eh Maher?

Glad you`re not on a jury, Bill. You smarmy son of a bi.tch.
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Male 10,338
Agreed sbeelz. Both sides have good and bad. More bad than good I am afraid.
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Male 2,868
I`m NOT with him on the idea that the Dems are the good guys and the Repubs are the bad guys. They BOTH take massive donations from the corporate sector, and neither is doing anything significant to protect the interests of the majority.
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Male 10,338
@5Cats: "Clinton: balanced the budget by CUTTING WELFARE!"

He also rode the wave of Reaganomics which led to the prosperity of the 90`s, for the US and the rest of the world.

Clinton also expanded the Community Re-investment Act, which led to the housing crisis we are in now.
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Male 40,748
Maher is a whore, plain and simple. Simple really describes him, actually. His "monologue" is so FULL of errors it`s pointless to even try to address them with a 1K limit, eh?

I`ll try though:
Clinton: balanced the budget by CUTTING WELFARE!
Bush: had to fight 2 wars.

Simple? yes! But not simple enough for Billy-boy.
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Male 2,790
still not caring.


next.
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Male 10,338
@Sachi: This guy is a douchebag period. Doesn`t matter where.
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Male 10,338
They don`t pay because of credits and things of that nature.

Here`s some reading.



Here`s some more.
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Male 35
@auburnjunky
Sorry to chime in again, but can you clarify the "bottom 50%" and how you know they don`t pay.

Is your boss part of the lower 50% based on your story that he doesn`t pay his share (at 150K)?

This puts the median of income around 61K
Link

And this says that 51% of the US makes over that median (rounded slightly)
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After the personal exemptions, the effective tax rate of those at the median is about 8%
Putting them very close to your 10% anyway. So it really comes down to, why do you think the lower 50% don’t pay and get away with it.
Male 599
Even in Japan this guy is considered a Douchebag.
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Male 3,477
Time to dust off the guillotine and even the playing field.

EAT THE RICH!
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Male 10,338
@Gerry: Ahhh I see.

It becomes more feasible that way.

That`s the thing that most liberals will not acknowledge though. The problem isn`t that the rich aren`t taxed enough. The problem is, that the poor and middle class don`t pay at all.
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Male 39,904

auburnjunky - OIC the communication breakdown

the idea behind the FLAT TAX is that it is a flat rate that everyone pays and abolishes tax credits, breaks, exhemptions. Everyone Pays 10%.

Which is why it will never pass and neither will the Fair Tax.
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Male 68
@Gerry1of1

Simple, the more you tax the rich then you will see the rich find ways to make less money. See you only get to tax income...but the "rich" dont need income to live.

Think about it, there is a point when you will tax me so much that I will just stop working because its not worth it.

If you tax what I spend....I have to spend something to live...food, clothing, shelter. Tax that at some percentage and you will see higher tax income, an across the board fairness, and the tax code can be summed up in 1 page (actually a bill has already been put forth in congress. I`ll let you figure out what happened to it).
But again, as the curve shows, you cant tax too much or you start losing income because people will start to find ways to avoid the tax. Either stop working, stop spending, or whatever.
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Male 10,338
To expound on Altaru`s point:

The guy I work for owns his own business. He pays himself a salary of somewhere around 150k.

Here`s the thing. He runs his business at a loss, or so he reports, so at the end of the year, he pays diddly. He wouldn`t be bothered to use all the loopholes he does if he knew the IRS wouldn`t rape him.

With a flat tax, the (legal) loopholes would still be there.

With a fair tax on sales, the only way to avoid paying, is to buy used goods, because double taxation is illegal. It`s just easier.
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Male 10,338
@Gerry: The fair tax is still a theory, because no one has seen it work in practice, but this is what I mean.

Fair Tax frees up money for people to use buying goods. It also abolishes the income tax, so say goodbye to the IRS and its regulations and tax credits.

Everyone pays 10% on everything they buy that qualifies.

With a flat tax, the people that get tax credits, still get the credits, so the bottom 50% of earners will still not pay any taxes. Things like the EIC (earned income credit) will cancel out any tax they may have paid.

The only way a flat tax would work, is if you also eliminate any way for the bottom 50% to get out of paying the tax. That`s part of our problem now. They simply do not pay their fair share.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Taxing all of the income is less than taxing only the part of the income that is spent on taxable items.... Uh..... what?[/quote]
If you`re taking more of the person/companies income, then they have no incentive to earn any income. They don`t try to make money, they don`t make money, so in the end, you`re taking a 100% tax on nothing.

It`s taking into account one of the most important aspects of economics that people like to disregard: human psychology.
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Male 39,904

@ Altaru - agreed. Her name will be Mudd.


SWIDT?
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Male 3,482
Haven`t even watched the video, but for Christ`s sake, get over the Anthony bullsh*t.

Seriously, that`s why I am completely against allowing the media to get their greedy, sensationalizing hands on criminal cases.

What if she DIDN`T do it, regardless of public opinion or final conviction? Thanks to all the media coverage that`s been going on, she`s going to have that stigma attached to her for the rest of her life. Imagine what that`ll do to her chances of getting jobs, making friends, etc...
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Male 39,904

@ auburnjunky - I don`t get your math?

Taxing all of the income is less than taxing only the part of the income that is spent on taxable items.... Uh..... what?

I think you need a new abacus, your old one is broken.
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Male 10,338
"Oh and Casey Anthony was acquitted. Get over it."

YES YES YES!
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Male 2,422
You vote for corporate interest. Corporate interest repays that good faith by taking your tax money for a bailout and reinvesting it in a fancy new factory...in China. After giving themselves a nice bonus for all their "hard work".

The law of comparative advantage gives American corporations no incentive to invest in American labor at home when they can do it for pennies on the dollar in another country and make massive profits. That`s why the Recession ended two years ago for Wall Street but unemployment is still rampant. If you are a CEO, from where you stand the economy is humming along nicely, but if you are an average American your future is looking increasingly bleak as all the hard won labor rights of the last century are going phhft. And yet people still vote for these non-nice individuals (of both parties). Oh and Casey Anthony was acquitted. Get over it.
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Male 10,338
@Heph:

It probably means national average. Good point.

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Male 35
Auburn, sorry, I should have waited before responding.
35% could be possible for the vast majority of us.
I assume you mean an effective 35% not the marginal reported in which most of us don`t pay that amount.
or does it mean a national average which could put the "rich" above 35%
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Male 35
Thanks Auburn.
It is interesting, but the graph itself is only a template from a thought experiment. Ultimately it`s true that there is a point at which taxing is counter productive, but your claim earlier seems to assume that we`ve already hit that point. What evidence is there to that?
The only major downside I see to increasing taxes on those making 250K or more (the "rich") is that they may purchase or make things overseas if possible. But that is an issue of poorly rounded economy focused on artificially cheap goods.
On a moral grounds, companies that take jobs away from the country that gave them the opportunity to succeed are "unpatriotic". While I don`t love throwing that term around, I do wonder where the loyalties lie. Business isn`t amoral, but people in it can be.


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Male 10,338
Yeah sorry fatninja.

@Heph: I read somewhere, that the ideal peak for tax rate is 35%, or about where it is for the top 15-20% of wage earners.
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Male 25,416
Wow, thats a big graph aubern junky
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Male 10,338
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Male 10,338
@Lazy:

Yes, you raise taxes, and you get higher income TO A POINT.

That`s what the chart says.
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Male 35
@auburnjunky
The graph feels incomplete. Care to explain it in more detail or link to something that does?
I understand that government revenue is maxed at "t" and that "t" is a Tax Rate in percent... but what is dictating what "t" should be.

I`ll grant you, I`m not a math major by any stretch so keep your patience and I`m trying to understand.
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Male 10,440
"A tax ladder, which is what we have now, removes the incentive to make more money.

Also, it isn`t as you say. If I make 249k, it gets taxed at one rate. All of it. If I make 250k, it all gets taxed at a new rate. All of it.

Why would I want to make that extra dollar?"

That`s not how tax ladders work.

It works like this, for us: You are taxed 0% on the first $10k you make, from there you are taxed 15% on the next $31k or so, then 22% on the next $40k and so on up to something like 29%.

see here

"Raising taxes does not raise income. This has been proven time and time again."
Not according to that chart of yours.
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Male 10,338
@Gerry:

National sales tax (Fair Tax) and abolish the federal income tax.

A flat tax is also good, but it would have to be higher than the Fair Tax to work.

A Fair Tax of 10% and abolition of the income tax would net balanced income with spending without cutting any programs.

A Flat Tax would have to be 23% to do the same thing.
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Male 39,904

It`s not about taxing the rich more.
It`s about getting rid of special tax breaks to the rich so they pay their share.

top 6% own 95% of the wealth but pay only 80% of the tax. Get rid of the tax breaks and let them pay an honest percentage.

I`m a flat taxer... the same for everyone.
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Male 10,338
Sorry about the pic size, but it needed to be shared.
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Male 10,338
Raising taxes does not raise income. This has been proven time and time again.

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Male 526
I agree with some of what this guy says, but only half of this particular video. I`ve said before that I didn`t follow the Casey Anthony trial, nor do I really care to learn about it. It`s none of my business. But I thought it was obvious that taxing the rich maybe a little more would make us some more money? Meh

(Yes, Maher`s a douche about speaking his opinion. Like a liberal Limbaugh.)
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Male 10,338
@Baal:

A tax ladder, which is what we have now, removes the incentive to make more money.

Also, it isn`t as you say. If I make 249k, it gets taxed at one rate. All of it. If I make 250k, it all gets taxed at a new rate. All of it.

Why would I want to make that extra dollar?
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Male 17,511
I don`t need to watch this to know Bill Maher is an idiot, So who the hell cares what he has to say.
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Male 260
Disgusting. This man is disgusting.
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Male 4,546
One thing nobody seems to understand is where job money comes from.

"If they are taxed, how will they have money to make jobs?!"

Lets say you make $100 at a lemonade stand.

It costs you $10 to set up a new stall, and hire another person to man it. This happens *before you are taxed*.

Taxes are 0%. Every person you hire, takes $10 out of your profit.

Taxes are 99%. Each time you hire a person, it takes 10c out of your profit, but grows your business.

In a HIGH corporate tax environment (not income tax, corporate tax) it makes more economic sense to reinvest.

Furthermore, taxation brackets only tax *additional* income above the brackets. There is no need to create financial incentives to being rich, only a need to create the financial capacity to become so.
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Male 2,868
I`m NOT with him on the idea that the Dems are the good guys and the Repubs are the bad guys. They BOTH take massive donations from the corporate sector, and neither is doing anything significant to protect the interests of the majority.
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Male 2,868
Bill Maher IS a douche. I`m with him on raising taxes on the wealthy, but the jurors did nothing wrong.
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Male 53
Bill Maher is an ignorant douche and always will be.
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Male 39,904

P.S. Here`s the same video without the freeze glitches.

Bill Maher
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Male 39,904

Why cry about it? As long as corporations {controlled by the rich} can dump uber tons of cash into political ads to control the outcome, there is no hope.

there is no use crying over something that will not change. Like gravity.
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Female 108
F^(kING DEMOCRATS GET ME OUT OF CALIFORNIA!
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Male 1,741
@TypicalJerk, I wholeheartedly agree. The Republicans are awful, and the Democrats are bad. Both cater to, and have been purchased by, the rich and businesses.
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Male 2,552
Bill Maher is a douche; not even going to bother watching.
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Male 308
Bill Maher is just a troll... like any other internet troll... he`s just on TV.
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Male 2,440
Bill Maher is such a smarmy douche. Can`t stand him.
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Male 8,534
Wow, what a delusional asswipe.
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Male 10,338
Hmmm. The jury actually did a GOOD JOB putting aside feelings so that they could make the BEST DECISION with what they had to work with. This makes them a really good jury.

Why is that bad again?
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Male 240
This man is an idiot.
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Male 533
Garbage. Not that I vote Republican, but aside from the planned parenthood and some school funding, the Democrats aren`t doing much to tax the corporations either.
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Male 10,855
U MAD Bill?

The prosecution had NO solid evidence in that case! ...and how exactly can this be related to Republican thinking?

HUMOR FAIL!
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Male 566
Too true
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Male 552
Bill Maher is a dippoo, and this video does nothing less than demonstrate that.
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Female 8,043
Link: Casey Anthony Jury Is The Same As Republican Base? [Rate Link] - Bill Maher states that it is...in a message for all republicans, unless you`re an ultra rich republican
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