Bachmann Spars With Stephanopoulos

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago

GOP Rep. Bachmann & Stephanopoulos discuss her history of "false statements" on U.S. history. Is her version correct?
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Male 1,744
Hell I`m republican and I wouldn`t vote for her stupid, dumb, uneducated ass. Read a 4th grade "History of America" book one time bitch!
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Male 3,631
Umm.. Ben Franklin was an abolitionist, and a Founding Father. I don`t know how tirelessly he worked toward it, but certainly his writings speak to this sentiment. How hard would it have been for her to conjure this position on his part?
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Male 559
haters gonna hate
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Male 12,365
[quote]the Bible passages condemning homosexuality will be ignored by mainstream Christians in much the same way those condoning slavery are ignored today.[/quote]

It isn`t even necessary to go that far. If you look at the original languages, all of those passages can be interpreted to have other meanings. Some of them definitely do have other meanings and have been very obviously misinterpreted.
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Male 12,365
[quote]If using his own tactics against him is wrong, then isn`t the whole tactic, no matter who uses it, is wrong to begin with ? [/quote]

It would be, but (as has already been pointed out) that`s not what you`re doing.

Madest is not making false accusations of randomly chosen bad things, which is what you`re doing to him.

I`m still interested in why you reject the OT approval of slavery and embrace the OT condemnation of homosexual sex. It`s a blatantly inconsistent position - how do you justify it?
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Male 2,868
@Crakr- you`re still avoiding addressing Angilion and Madest`s central point- it`s blatantly hypocritical to use The Bible as a basis for arguing against the rights of people to marry members of the same sex while ignoring the fact that Tbe Bible also condones Slavery (and was used by anti-abolitionists to justify its continued practice in the US). What`s funny is that people like you have such a poor sense of history: those who are currently arguing against gay marriage will be seen by the next generation the same way our generation sees people who argued against interracial marriage, for segregation in general, against women`s sufferage, etc, and the Bible passages condemning homosexuality will be ignored by mainstream Christians in much the same way those condoning slavery are ignored today.
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Male 20
@CrackrJak But your not using his own tactics against him, your using the EXACT same selective reading/quoting that he was arguing against i.e. homophobes using the bible as a basis, sometimes quoting it for anti-gay sentiment, while ignoring any mention of slavery in the bible. You just did the same thing with his quote, selectively ignoring the part that mattered most.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: madest`s rhetorical statements are so false and harebrained that he`s his own worst enemy.

He stretches his Anti-Christian, Anti-Conservative libelous mouth out so far he swallows his whole leg in the process.

If using his own tactics against him is wrong, then isn`t the whole tactic, no matter who uses it, is wrong to begin with ?

Just a thought.
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Male 12,365
CrakrJak:

You`re claiming to quote Madest directly and you`re still not quoting him.

I didn`t miss what Madest actually wrote - a blunt condemnation of the hypocrisy of selectively using parts of the old testament while ignoring other parts.

In case anyone believes the libel CrakrJak is so desperately spreading because he has no counter-argument, here`s what Madest actually wrote:

[quote]How come Christians are against slavery? The Bible allows for it. They quote the damn Bible every time they talk about gay people. So wouldn`t a true Christian desire a return to slavery? [/quote]

The point, obviously, is that a Christian who disapproves of slavery has no sound theological basis for disapproving of homosexuality.

Lacking a counter, you resorted to calling Madest a white supremacist who advocates racist slavery and hates women. Libel for political and religious reasons.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: Madest wrote, "...Christians are against slavery? The Bible allows for it.... So wouldn`t a true Christian desire a return to slavery?"

I think you must`ve missed that. As I said before, He`s dug his own hole and stepped in it.
The person without an ounce of integrity is madest, He gets his marching orders at Huff Po everyday, His posts and submissions are mirroring what other liberals post there almost daily.
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Female 582
I guess that`s one thing the mainstream media does right -- warn us so we don`t hire the stupidest candidate as leader of the free world.
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Male 2,868
One more thing: kittyloaf, you win the thread.
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Male 2,868
[quote]Crakr, when TJ wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal", he by no means meant slaves. Slaves weren`t considered to be "people" and he didn`t write that phrase with an intention of slaves ever being free.[/quote]

Actually, that`s not true. While Jefferson didn`t have the balls to live up to his own ideals and free his own slaves, he privately wrote that slavery was an abomination. He was a hypocrite on slavery- he never took a public stance against slavery, and wrote a lot of paternalistic garbage about how his slaves "needed him" to take care of them- but he DID privately envision a future without slavery.
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Male 2,868
Also, Crakr, while what you said about Paul Revere IS true, that`s NOT what Sarah Palin said. Her narrative was one of Paul Revere defiantly warning the British that the colonists weren`t gonna take any more of their sh*t: "He who warned, uh, the … the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringin’ those bells and, um, by makin’ sure that as he’s ridin’ his horse through town to send those warnin’ shots and bells that, uh, we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free … and we were gonna be armed." To hear her tell it, Revere`s express purpose was to announce to the British that the colonists were in open revolt, which was by no means the case.
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Male 2,868
@Crakr- Michelle Bachmann makes herself look dumb without any help from anybody else. But go ahead and defend her, I won`t get in your way. She`s certainly not doing the Republican Party any favors. Personally, if I were a Republican, I would welcome any and all efforts to prevent her presidential campaign from gaining traction.
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Male 6,227
@SmilinSam - "This is Squrlz4Sale. And I approve your message." 100%. :)
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Male 12,365
[quote]He`s libeled all Christians much worse with his lie that Christians should believe in slavery, [/quote]

A statement that he`s never made.

So you`re falsely accusing him of hating women, being a white supremacist and advocating racist slavery and you know those are false accusations and your excuse is to accuse him of something else he hasn`t done.

I hadn`t thought you were so low. I often disagree with you, but until now I thought you had some integrity.

I say again:

To me, it looks like you`re libelling him for religious and political reasons.
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Male 17,512
madest: Paul Revere was stopped by the British and questioned, Paul Revere DID warn the British not to go any further, That is part of his own written testimony before congress.

John Adams served as an American envoy to France from 1778 until 1779 and to the Netherlands from 1780 until 1782, and the younger John Quincy Adams accompanied his father on these journeys.
- Wikipedia

The problem with liberals like you is that you`ve just skimmed over the main parts of history without reading the details. Then you claim superior knowledge about history, when in truth you`ve just barely got a clue.

Perhaps you and your team should perhaps do a little more research before you start jumping the gun on calling republicans liars or dumb, because when the truth comes out later it just makes you seem like petty antagonizers.
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Male 7,378
@CJ, So hands off all republicans stupid or otherwise? Democrats go on these talking head shows as well. They`re just not claiming Paul Revere was warning the British or that John Adams was a founding father.
And your side has it`s mind set on destroying the country.
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Male 17,512
madest: So the media is supposed to be playing the part of anti-republican inquisitor ?

Sorry, but your team loves to try and twist the facts around to make republicans look dumb. Just because some of our founding fathers were slaveholders, doesn`t mean they all were, many did abhor the practice of slavery.
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Male 7,378
Come on OutWest, You really think the media has a part in her stupidity? They didn`t put words in her mouth, they questioned her about what she said and it`s exactly the role the media is supposed to play. Could it be that some on your team are just not that intelligent? This isn`t the first whacked out BS that`s spilled from her maw. People who defend and support her need to have their head examined.
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Male 546
Another example of our unbiased Main Street Media.

They have never seen a Republican do anything right, nor a Democrat do anything wrong.

Unless you are a lib, lefty, or Democrat why would you even listen, read, or talk with them anymore? The MSM has essentially made itself irrelevant to more than half of the people. Just check their ratings and subscriptions as evidence.
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Male 120
please let her get the Republican nomination for president. It would make the Democrats job so much easier.
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Male 4,298
This is all just Opinion Media BS. Life is so much better if you turn off cable news and ignore stupid partisan stories like this.
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Male 2,790
she`s like Palin except...older?
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Male 5,413
......oh my
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Male 3,364
Michele Facepalm at it again.
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Male 296
Scary
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Male 599
Sheesh I`d rather just vote for the man wearing th mystical underpants before the two nut jobs of Palin and Bachmann.
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Male 1,360
Crakrjakass: so much knowledge so little wisdom, where did you go wrong?
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Male 17,512
Angilion: [quote]To me, it looks like you`re libelling him for religious and political reasons.[/quote]

He`s libeled all Christians much worse with his lie that Christians should believe in slavery, If he truly believes that then he`s dug his own hole and stepped in it.
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Male 1,151
she is such an idiot
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Male 2,422
Bachmann is a sleeper agent of the democrats.
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Male 684
Why can politicians every just say i misspoke, or was uninformed? To me it would be an expression of honesty and humility unparalleled in that world...
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Female 247
This is why I am going to be an expat.
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Male 213
You said that the founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence to end slavery, what is your response?

Slavery is bad, and the constitution is good. Good things are better than bad things, because bad things are bad. So, actually, I was right all along and it is you are wrong.
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Male 12,365
CrakrJak, do have any more random bad things to accuse madest of in the hope of some of them sticking?

You`re claiming that he`s a white supremacist who advocates racist slavery and that he hates women, without any evidence to support either very extreme claim.

To me, it looks like you`re libelling him for religious and political reasons.
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Male 798
Crakr, when TJ wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal", he by no means meant slaves. Slaves weren`t considered to be "people" and he didn`t write that phrase with an intention of slaves ever being free. He didn`t even mean women or those who didn`t hold property. Their whole goal was to set up a white, anglo-saxon, protestant, male aristocracy.

Yes, it did serve to provide ammunition to end slavery, but through no intention of Jefferson, or any of the founding fathers. In fact, they made sure that nobody besides a select group of men could have any sort of rights whatsoever. If they had known that slaves would inevitably be freed by it, they would probably have taken it out.
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Male 17,512
madest: You are making the same argument that 1850`s democrats made, calling slavery `acceptable` using the bible. You`re no better than Jefferson Davis was, if you keep up that false narrative against Christians.

I swear madest, you must be getting your daily disinformation orders from the Huffington Post because you keep spouting the same exact crap that they do. Keep hiding your misogyny behind that web of lies you and others keep re-telling.
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Male 12,365
[quote]dear God....first sarah palin, now this bimbo? Why is it that the dumbest women politicians get the most attention?[/quote]

Because they seek it, presumably. Also, they`re news. An averagely competent female politician(*), like an averagely competent male politician, isn`t news.



* `women` is a noun, not an adjective. If you`re going to makes statements like "Why not tell these ladies to go back to school and get their facts straight", you`re going to look silly when you make such an obvious and basic mistake in English.
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Male 2,033
Wow.

Just wow.

`merica.
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Male 74
Thanks for the facts, Oldfrt. I learned something new today.

I don`t think that does count as tirelessly fighting though. It is more of a passive acceptance. She would`ve been better off saying she misspoke, and could even tie in some fluffy speech about how the abolitionists had the fighting spirit of the founding fathers and so on.

I don`t expect anybody to know everything about any subject. But I do expect them to acknowledge that they made a mistake so we know that the specific mistake won`t happen again.
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Female 3,598
wouldn`t it have been much easier and more honest for her just to say "welp, we all say dumb things sometimes, my bad." and move on? i would respect a person much more for owning up to a mistake than claiming to be infallible. this is "sarah palin`s paul revere II" stupid stupid stupid...
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Male 7,378
Yeah CJ, Sorry but you can`t take credit for the abolitionist movements of Kansas or Illinois. My point was, Christians like Mrs. Bachmann here, justify their ardent opposition to gay marriage with religion. Here, she`s so anti-slavery she`s making up stories about who our founding fathers were. Slavery is acceptable in the Bible. Both old and new testaments. Wouldn`t she be a better Christian if she stopped lying about her opposition to slavery? Run with it honey! Afterall she wants to eliminate the minimum wage. She makes your party look bad. She`s clearly not intelligent. She lies just about every time she opens her mouth and she`s atop leader board. Your party`s got problems and rallying around the dimwits defies reason.
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Male 1,737
Something tells me this women, Sarah Palin and Hilary Clinton all got in because of something like affirmative action. As in, they were the only women applying for the job and got it because they had to hire them or get slapped as sexist. I could be wrong, wouldn`t be a first, I just get a hunch it could be for said reasons.
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Male 6,227
I can forgive anyone a slip of the tongue. I may even forgive a national politician for not knowing a basic fact of U.S. history that any junior high school student should know. But I cannot forgive someone for dissembling and equivocating on national television because she is too small a person to own up to a mistake.
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Female 302
Wow... just wow...
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Male 17,512
Thomas Jefferson, even though he owned slaves, still thought the practice was peculiar and wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." into the declaration of independence. Which inevitably bolstered the anti-slavery movement and helped end slavery.
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Male 17,512
madest: John Brown an ardent abolitionist, was very religious and fought to end slavery in Kansas and then tried to start a slave uprising at Harper`s Ferry in 1859. He may have failed, but the abolitionist movement won in the end.

I grew up in a town called Alton, IL, Home of Elijah P. Lovejoy a Presbyterian minister and printer of The Alton Observer an abolitionist newspaper. Armed mobs broke in 3 different times into his warehouse and destroyed his presses, The third time him and 20 supporters defended his press he was shot to death.

The fact is the covenant that Christ gave to us says that we should treat our neighbors as we would like to be treated, The only servitude Christ spoke of was mankind`s responsibility to be God`s servants and help one another.

Bachman is correct though, several founding fathers were against slavery, but the southern colonies insisted on protecting slavery in the constitution even as they wanted to gain freedom for themselves
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Male 20
Srry for the double post, but theres no edit button :(

Also keeping slaves until you are dead and keeping slaves because you are knee deep in debt are certainly not great examples, even if they were morally against slavery, of our founding fathers "working tirelessly" against slavery. Sounds like she was more wrong than right.
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Male 20
@oldfrt- The GOP has NO room to be playing the misogyny card, look at the way you guys bitched about Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. Plus, Sarah Palin and Bachmann ARE incredibly ignorant, calling them on their bullpoo isn`t misogynistic.

For instance, lets look at this interview. Bachmann is given a chance to "clear up past statements." So what does she do? She launches into a speech on how great the constitution is, then when the interviewer calls her on avoiding the question, she stands by her statement citing yet another wrong source (JQA as a founding father lol) as her evidence.

Its not the fact that shes stupid and has a limited grasp on American History that makes me hate her, its the fact that she would rather stand by obviously false statements.
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Male 589
@Willowwatch Interesting idea. I would like to see the next Republican presidential debate hosted by Jeff Foxworthy.
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Male 749
I`m beginning to think misogyny is part of the democrat`s platform. It seems like any argument against republican women is always "She`s stupid/ignorant/the result of a mixed species union"

All politicians misspeak now and then (e.g., Obama`s 57 states), but dems seem to go ballistic over it, and more importantly, act like they believe no further argument is needed. If ad hominem attacks are all you have, you are in a sad, sad condition.
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Female 734
If a fifth grader can point out your historical inaccuracies you may want to rethink public appearances where you open your mouth
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Female 143
Retard.
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Male 25,416
meh....
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Male 7,378
How come Christians are against slavery? The Bible allows for it. They quote the damn Bible every time they talk about gay people. So wouldn`t a [quote]true[/quote] Christian desire a return to slavery?
Nonetheless Bachmann is a moron. The political math is as follows: Republican + Christian = Retarded
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Male 567
Palin, Bachmann, when will this parade of ignorant bitches end?
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Male 2,345
republicans


keep this line of trash cannidates coming and the dems have nothing to worry about.

the only repub that can beat obama is a "GENERIC" one according to the polls...too bad you dont have any of those LMAo @ u losers.

oh and no I am not a dem, but I think after you unleashed bush on us you have plenty more to make up for,.
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Male 559
Honestly, I would feel sorry for her if it weren`t for the fact that she has some popularity in this country and could do some serious damage behind the reins.
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Male 749
Fact is, both Jefferson and Washington were against slavery, but felt that they didn`t have much hope of ending it.

So why didn`t they free the slaves that they owned? In Jefferson`s case, the slaves were attached to the deed of his land and he had too much mortgage debt to be able to free them. In Washington`s case, he did free them on his death, and [informed guessing] probably thought he could provide a better life for them as they were [/informed guessing]

Bachmann may not have been eloquent, but she was more right than wrong (admittedly over an arguable point)
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Male 2,593
idiot
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Female 146
dear God....first sarah palin, now this bimbo? Why is it that the dumbest women politicians get the most attention? Why not tell these ladies to go back to school and get their facts straight and let the intelligent women make a case
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Male 37,912

that`s my story and I`m sticking to it
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Male 3,315
"I`m not a US citizen but I know more about your war of independence than her."

I`d be willing to bet that you know more about it than 90% of us.
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Female 245
Oh gawd, it`s Palin 2.0
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Male 6,737
She`s an idiot clearly, I`m not a US citizen but I know more about your war of independence than her.
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Male 30
well the secretary of one of your founding fathers, that`s a technicality but it`s still correct, albeit on a technicality :/
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Male 2,670
Palin still reigns as the Queen of Quackery, though. You betcha!
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Male 2,670
She`s full of crap.
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Male 78
Who`s the bigger clown, Palin or Bachmann?
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Female 8,044
Link: Bachmann Spars With Stephanopoulos [Rate Link] - GOP Rep. Bachmann & Stephanopoulos discuss her history of `false statements` on U.S. history. Is her version correct?
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