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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    July 27, 2011 at 9:44 am
    Link: `Anything But An Atheist` - A look at discrimination against, and intolerance towards atheists.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Bullpoo, those numbers don`t add to 100%, but much more.
    XD kidding, im an atheist so im smart.
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:36 am
    I went to an AA meeting with my father who is a recovering alcoholic. There, they mentioned atheism and agnosticism, saying that they pity them for their intellectual pride, and that you must first accept God before you can recover. If you`re an atheist, you aren`t allowed to sober up?
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    tfizzle Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:41 am
    give it 20-30 years and all of that will change. I`m a theist, 27, and I don`t really care about atheism. In fact, I`d sometimes prefer to hang out with an atheist and discuss things as opposed to other theists (depending on personality). I`d be interested in the demographics of those polled. Most, if not all, theists from my generation that I`ve met wouldn`t answer the shared view questions the same way. But I also live in the NW where religious views aren`t in the majority (seems more existential here). But I grew up in the midwest Bible Belt. There`s probably a reason I`m up here.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Carl Sagan was agnostic, not atheist.

    Aside from that, is this serious? It`s ridiculous. Mind you this video is incredibly biased, calling atheists the most progressive and intelligent is just as bad as theists screaming that atheists are going to hell. Fighting narrowmindedness and arrogance with the same is not sound.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:42 am
    what about all the atheists who bash Christians and those who believe in God (especially on here)?
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    HamilTaco Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Maybe being an atheist is just normal where live? I`ve never seen an atheist publicly discriminated before.. o.0
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:45 am
    WTF is this bullpoo? Got to 3:30 still wondering what the drat this video was about. NEXT
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Hmmm
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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:50 am
    i am thankful that i live in NYC, and i can express my atheist views without being persecuted as others are in different part of US. Its sad, its not like atheists walk around preaching or trying to spread atheist beliefs by force or for land like every single religion except for Hinduism did all throughout history, I AM AN ATHEIST if you dont like it that is your issue
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    stonewar Female 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:51 am
    that is true it adds up to 141 % that just means respondants were able to chose more than one answer. thats why is was a bar graph and not a pie chart.
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    RPossum Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:53 am
    For my fellow atheists, enjoy it. This is an exciting time to be an atheist. The atheist movement is growing year by year, and although some may say less monumental than the emancipation, or womens rights movement; we can say we were a part of change.
    Plus I think it is rather monumental that society continues to wrestle control and influence away from religious dogma and faith and move it towards rational discourse and science.
    Remember, minorities always face these issues but being right is hard to ignore.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:57 am
    So I`m a minority now and half of America is retarded? .. I`m done with this country. Give it to Russia and Japan. They`ll fix poo. I`m going to Europe... maybe Australia. Yeah, Australia!
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 10:59 am
    A little overdramatic in the presentation, but true nonetheless. People like to hate on the atheists, who are left to fend for themselves.

    Which makes many of them bitter and angry toward religion, causing them to live up to their bad reputation...which in turn makes more people think badly of them.
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    MikeyNiv Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Where I live, it`s silly to be religious. Those who are, are silly. Those silly-billies.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:04 am
    Atheists are just as intolerant. Why would an atheist care if I say under God in my pledge?

    That`s like me getting upset every time I see a Catholic cross himself.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:06 am
    Athiests Doing Good
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Constitution Of The State Of Arkansas Of 1874.
    "Article 19. Miscellaneous Provisions.
    No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."

    Article 37 of the Declaration of Rights of the Maryland Constitution
    "no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God"

    Mississippi State Constitution.
    Article 14 ("General Provisions"), Section 265
    "No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."

    religious infestation keeps going and going ...
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    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:13 am
    @HamilTaco Same here, I`m atheist and I`ve never had a problem
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:13 am
    I was going to post sooner but I wanted to see what others thought first, and I`m glad to see many agree with what I was thinking.

    Although some of these stories are awful and I`m all too aware that many of my fellow Christians need to be sat down and have it carefully explained to them in the simplest terms possible what being a Christian actually entails so we can eradicate this unwarranted hatred, I also think it`s important to point out that this intolerance does not exclusively arise from Christians.

    I`ve experienced plenty of persecution in my lifetime for being a Christian, as do many other Christians I know, and like many other people here have said, where I`m from, and in most other places I`ve been, being atheist is considered `normal`. This website is a perfect example of a place where atheist intolerance can, and does gather, and occasionally rears it`s very ugly head. ...
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:14 am
    ... I find it pretty ironic that Dawkins is included here as an example of a `tolerant, progressive atheist` when in reality he`s such a manipulative, self-serving non-nice individual that he has very little respect from many of his fellow atheist philosophers and I was advised to steer clear of his writings in my philosophy classes last year.

    And like I repeat over and over (and I`m sure you`re sick of me by now), ignorance and hatred does not successfully fight ignorance and hatred. It just makes both sides more ignorant and more hateful. I don`t see the two opposing sides as Christians vs. Atheists, I have plenty of friends from each category. I see it as tolerant people vs. intolerant people, and believe me, there are plenty of both on each side.

    So yeah, although some of the stuff in this video is true and awful, it`s very one-sided and isn`t telling the whole story.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:15 am
    "Why would an atheist care if I say under God in my pledge?"
    We don`t care if you do. We object to the requirement that all people do. We just wanted "Under God" replaced with a pause so you could say it but we don`t have to but OOOOOOH NOOOOO! Religetards had a fit.
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    ysso12 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:18 am
    I think this is stupid, I`m an atheist and it has never been a problem with my family friends or community. I`m not saying that atheists aren`t detested somewhere but I see people rioting and protesting mosque much more than research labs.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 11:19 am
    Atheists are just as intolerant. Why would an atheist care if I say under God in my pledge?

    That`s like me getting upset every time I see a Catholic cross himself.
    No, it not the same. Atheists don`t care if you say "under God". Atheists care when their tax dollars pay for the school that has their children say "under God". Your comparison is bogus. It is more like how you would get upset if public schools had your child recite a Muslim prayer everyday. Unless you`re Muslim, then you`d be upset if your child had to recite a Jewish prayer.
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:19 am
    There are extremist, intolerant atheists just as there are extremist, intolerant Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. There are also reasonable, tolerant members of all groups. Burma Shave.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Poor atheists, and anti-Semites, and racists, and misogynists, they just don`t have the political power of other bigots.

    Why, if they did, just imagine, they could suppress people of faith and create the world without religion that so many demand, and since it worked so well in East Germany, it`ll be even better on a global scale.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:22 am
    @davisboy, no it`s like getting upset every time a Catholic takes your hand and forces you to cross yourself every morning in school

    Generally speaking, kids in school have no choice but to say the pledge. In fact, I`ve seen a child refusing to do so make the news more than once.

    It`s also worth noting that the inclusion of God in the pledge is relatively modern and flies in the face of the principle of separation of church and state which America was build on.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:22 am
    @davisboy, well, if they forced your kids to cross themselves I bet you would be upset. The Amerimean persons are forcing children and whoever doesn`t want to pledge to do it. And when someone opposes it, they attack his free speech. And btw, forcing other people to say something isn`t free speech.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:23 am
    @Heureux What the f*ck is wrong with you? Do you have the slightest idea what the word atheist means?
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:24 am
    "religious infestation keeps going and going ..."

    @Gerry1fof1, I guess, but then again the act of Puritans coming over from England was also a religious infestation.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:24 am
    " Why would an atheist care if I say under God in my pledge?"

    Your pledge? You personally? They shouldn`t.

    The problem is you`re saying it in their pledge too. Government is demanding others say it in their pledge.

    It is not the original pledge. The original pledge was, edited, altered, manipulated, corrupted,and whatever other word you wish to use, *specifically* to ostracize Atheists and to falsely associate them with communists. (Which on its head is ridiculous considering the original was written by a Socialist priest).

    The whole concept of changing it *back* to the original pledge, is not an act of intolerance. Changing it the first time was.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Of course we are hated. Anytime you touch a sore spot, defence mechanisms go off. The brain washing that religion implants (And I know because I belonged to the Roman Catholic Church and had been thoroughly brainwashed myself), results in anger and strong reactions because, deep down inside, you know we are right and you hate that about us.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:31 am
    The video is accurate, however I will also say that there is one false equivalency being played.

    Discrimination of Atheists is more common, but the scale is different. Jews and Muslims suffer far more physical attacks in the US for example (together they make up almost 90% of all religiously motivated violence).

    Discrimination is discrimination no matter what though, and it, as a principle is wrong.

    Only point I`ll make against Atheists is not to contribute to the backlash by joining the ranks of the Anti-theists that Hueruex down there is mislabeling many of you as.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:32 am
    I don`t care for sappy videos showing pictures of "celebrity atheists" because I think it`s inconsiderate to include a person if they don`t have a dog in that fight (they might be an atheist, sure, but they don`t argue about it in a public forum warranting mention in a video. I dunno.)

    I`m just glad I don`t live in the South. Wait... no. I do. Ah f*ck.

    And as for the pledge, it`s not the "God" part of the pledge I personally have a problem with; it`s the pledge itself. Remember the WKUK bit? "This is not a form of brainwashing."
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:34 am
    Poor atheists, and anti-Semites, and racists, and misogynists, they just don`t have the political power of other bigots.
    Heureux, you just proved that whatever group you belong to has bigots as well.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Ok, seriously, Patchouly. Lets play a little game.

    Poll: "50% of Americans dislike atheists"
    Patchouly: "drat you 85% of America!!!!! We`re right, you`re wrong! F**************** you!"

    Lets say all of America reads your kind and thoughtful words. Do you think the next poll will be higher, or lower, than 50%?
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    User94762 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Once again, I am so glad to be Canadian
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    defiantapple Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:37 am
    @Heureux

    Grouping Atheists with misogynists, bigots, and racists just shows your intolerance to another group of people`s personal spiritual beliefs. Congrats on showing yourself to be exactly what this video is warning about.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:43 am
    It`s only in the US that athiests get a bad rap.

    Atheism in Europe is commonplace and more accepted than religion thankfully.
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    defiantapple Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:43 am
    A close of friend of mine goes to Oakland University, where she and a group of friends recently organized a student Atheist group. They`ve organized quite a few fun and informative events. They tend to mind their own business and meet simply to give like-minded students a place to congregate. They consistently have problems with their fliers and posters being de-faced by their Christian student organization counterparts and are frequently battling with the school itself to have these problems solved. Trying to take the high road, they refuse to retaliate, yet the Christian student groups continue to hinder and harass their attempts at simply existing. It`s an outrage. Were the shoe on the other foot, there would be public outcry. It`s disappointing to know the school does nothing to help...
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    verbosity Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:44 am
    davisboy said: "Atheists are just as intolerant. Why would an atheist care if I say under God in my pledge?"

    Correct - so you are perfectly okay if we change it to `one nation under Allah` or `one nation under Yahweh` or `one nation under Zeus` or even `one nation under Satan`? You see nothing wrong with carving a religious preference into US national dogma - or putting `In Poseidon We Trust` on the dollar bill?

    Where do the Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Wiccans, and so forth fit in with your USA where God is carved onto everything in the post-communist fearmongering USA? (Our founding fathers didn`t feel it necessary to put these words on our money or in our pledge - but did try to ensure religious freedom... even if the choice is to be atheist.)
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:50 am

    relax people, nobody has the answer not any religion on earth are right and atheism is probably wrong too. lets accept it and all be brothers and sisters
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    ysso12 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:52 am
    @Crabes, I like your tactic, tell everyone to get along by telling everyone they are wrong. I can`t imagine that not working
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:52 am

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:53 am
    VV THIS!! LOL.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:53 am
    The video is accurate, however I will also say that there is one false equivalency being played.

    Discrimination of Atheists is more common, but the scale is different. Jews and Muslims suffer far more physical attacks in the US for example (together they make up almost 90% of all religiously motivated violence).

    There was something that was bothering me about their stats. I`m glad you pointed it out.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:58 am
    I love the background music. Sooooo melodramatic. Can`t athiests simply take solace in the fact that in 100 years they`ll be rotting in the ground with no soul and no afterlife? So nothing they do or say or anyone else does or says means anything? So why sweat it? Why go around trying to make everyone else as miserable as they are?
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 11:58 am
    I am so tiredof hearing "Christians" claim how persecuted they are in the U.S. Where, in the U.S., can one go that they do not find themselves surrounded by people professing to be "Christians"?

    If you want to feel real persecution in the U.S., try letting people know that you`re an athiest or an agnostic. You`ll quickly find that the term hatred barely covers the response you`ll receive from many of the hypocrites claiming to be practicing Christians.

    I have actually had people tell me they wished they still lived during the times it was legal to kill non-believers (in Christianity). Pretty scary, and pretty sad.
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    SharkFreak Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    (Angry comment because this video doesn`t fit my beliefs and I have to rant about it.)
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    @verbosity - if we remove "In God We Trust" from the dollar bill, should we remove all of the other references not everybody believes in? Remove the scales if you don`t believe in justice? (or a balanced budget) Remove the eye and also ANNUIT COEPTIS if you don`t believe in God? Remove E PLURIBUS UNUM if you don`t believe that we`re a unified nation? Where do you stop?

    There`s a difference between removing every single possible reference to any religion or belief, and FORCING OTHERS to adopt your religion or belief. The second is a violation of the separation of church and state, the first is both overbearing and intolerant.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    wow... internet stats, always can trust stats showing on the web
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    @ bliznik "then again the act of Puritans coming over from England was also a religious infestation"
    No, it wasn`t infestation nor was it colonization. It was Seperatism.

    Puritans couldn`t get along with anyone in England so the went to Amsterdam. But they didn`t want their kids mixing with the immoral folk there so they chose to seperate themselves from the world and go to The New World. They were intollerant people who could not get along with anyone.

    It was Jonestown without the coolade.
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    Johanvb Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    I don`t like the way this video-clip plays on the sentiment to portrait people like James Cameron, Stephen Fry and Penn and Teller as people associated with atheism.
    This fact doesn`t prove a thing. If you place any value on atheism just because a lot of famous people are associated with it think of this:

    Ghandi was a vegetarian... so was Hitler.

    This statement doesn`t carry any weight in the debate if vegetarianism is good or bad.
    It only strengthens the believes of the pro- or contra vegetarian.

    The same goes for showing pictures of famous people during a pro atheism video-clip.
    It doesn`t say anything about atheism itself.
    Those pictures are only there to set the mood.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    I`m an atheist, and I`ll say this. For each and every shining example of humanity presented as an atheist there, you can find two more people--one shining example of humanity is/was not an atheist, and one despot who was an atheist. Putting all those pictures up there does absolutely nothing to say that atheists are good people, bad people, smart people or dumb people.
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    NotHerAgain Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    Wow Atheists, way to make yourselves look like whiney douchebags. "I`m an Atheist, people totally hate me. Black people, Jews, Immigrants, Native Americans, and the handicapped all have a way easier life than me."
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    NotHerAgain Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    ...Pause it at 3:27. Atheist derp!
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    Katy526 Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    Johanvb.

    I think the point that the pictures are tying to make is this: Even though we live in culture that is not amicable towards atheism, there are a lot of atheists who are influential in our culture.
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    WWEdeadman Male 13-17
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    I really feel sorry for anyone intelligent enough to be an atheist in the US. It just proofs again tat most people in the US are ignorant morons, that cannot tolerate that other people may have other beliefs.

    Maybe these intolerant people should listen to a very inspiring song by John Mayer, called "Belief". Read the lyrics, and think about it. Maybe it will open your eyes.
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    Katy526 Female 18-29
    28 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    I am the president of an atheist/agnostic/humanist club at my school (mostly by default,no one else was going to be a senior)and I think the best thing that atheists can do is try to stimulate community among one another. Having a group that people can go to when they feel overwhelmed is ridiculously helpful. The Christian groups have fellowship and accountability...why can`t we? I can`t tell you the number of times the members of the group (including myself) have expressed how much the club has helped them. Our school is a "party school" but there are an astonishing number of christians around. Its easy to feel left out. I guess the point is that athiest-y types should try to build community themselves because it gives you a feeling of being "home" with people and also a bit of legitimacy in an argument if your group also volunteers on the weekends or something. Raaandom. Sorry.
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    ysso12 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Dear god WWEdeadman, I hope your comment was a joke
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    I really feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to be religious in the US. It just proofs again tat most people in the US are ignorant morons, that cannot tolerate that other people may have other beliefs.

    Maybe these intolerant people should listen to a very inspiring song by Steve Martin, called "Atheist Song". Read the lyrics, and think about it. Maybe it will open your eyes.
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    boogarcym Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    I would ignore the stats if I were you - over 60% of statistics are made up
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    DracObi Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    Ok people, here is the point, this country was founded on the principle of FREEDOM OF RELIGION!!! that includes choosing not to have religion. i HATE all these Christians that rally and protest anything that goes against their beliefs. I have no issue with God or Jesus, its their fanclub i cant stand.
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    Katy526 Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    Freedom of Religion, Separation of Church and State. Problems solved.
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    Lol wow WWEdeadman, please tell me more about John Mayer. Will I be saved if I give him my $?
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    Hahahaha, omg I just heard a funny joke, here it goes.

    Fox "NEWS"

    aaaahhhhahahahahaha
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    Machida Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    A lot of this is just racism disguised.
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    planty Female 30-39
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    I agree Katy Freedom of religion means ALL beliefs. It is just so stupid Christians get is such an uproar when they are told they can not pray in school.. yet are the first in line to try to strip the rights of others that would like to pray to a different God or no God at all.. It`s really hypocritical. Know your history is what I say.. at some point in history Christians were the out casts they were not allowed to worship their way because the majority around them were not christian..So who are the tyrants now?
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Can`t athiests simply take solace in the fact that in 100 years they`ll be rotting in the ground with no soul and no afterlife? So nothing they do or say or anyone else does or says means anything? So why sweat it? Why go around trying to make everyone else as miserable as they are?
    First, who said Atheists are miserable? I`m quite happy and so is every other Atheist I know.

    Second, religions influence does affect me directly. People are dying today, right now, of something that could have been treated if we didn`t have religion blocking medical science based on a work of fiction. Someday that may be me.

    Lastly, even though we may die and turn to dust, we still have children and grandchildren and we want the best for them. We don`t want them to grow up in a world where their lives are made worse because of some ancient fairytale. As long as religion imposes it`s twisted beliefs on me and mine, I will resist it.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    @SharkFreak: (Angry comment because this video doesn`t fit my beliefs and I have to rant about it.)


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    StrangeLil1 Female 18-29
    85 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    Another pro-Atheism/anti-religion post on IAB, what a shocker!
  72. Profile photo of Cruddup
    Cruddup Male 30-39
    56 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:33 pm
    I-A-B pushing their beliefs on everyone, again. I believe in God and don`t feel it necessary to preach. Just let your actions speak for themselves.

    By the way, Madest, I don`t think that calling anybody dumb is ever going to elevate the conversation. I have a biology background and it only strengthened my belief in God. I never felt brainwashed or pushed into it. I think a lot of people really think it through and to assume everyone is a sheep is offensive.

    I really dislike Pat Robertson and Fox News and they don`t speak for me as a religious person. Also, I think we need to put less emphasis on what celebrities believe and think it through ourselves. That`s another reason I hate election season and all the celebrities tell us how to vote, even if I agree with them.

    The blanket statement that Atheists are the most tolerant minority in the United States is proved false by many of those who have commented in this thread.
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    xelous Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    If you`re not tolerant then screw you :-D

    Seriously though, I don`t understand how Americans can be so idiotic as to not grasp separation of church and state and freedom of religion. Seems like such a simple solution to centuries of religious and government oppression but the message is lost to time and braincells I suppose.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Compared to the persecution Christians, like 5Cats and I, are treated too here, I don`t feel the least bit sorry for those people.

    Life is not fair, quit crying about it, you aren`t some special snowflake that needs protection.

    America is an overwhelmingly Christian nation, If you aren`t prepared to handle that reality then perhaps you should keep your minority opinion to yourself until you can.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    One thing Atheists have going for them is that they won`t be disappointed when they die.

    @Cruddup, I was mocking WWEdeadman (two posts below my comment). No surprise a religious person couldn`t figure that out.
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    ysso12 Male 18-29
    8 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    @CrakrJak so what you are saying is that people who have unfortunate circumstances shouldn`t work to better the way they are treated?
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    craphole Male 18-29
    51 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    thats not pro or anti anything.. pro tolerance maybe. They are called personal beliefs for a reason.
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    xelous Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm
    @ CrakrJak
    Just because a majority has the same opinions as each other doesn`t make them any more valid than the opinions of minorities. Keep in mind that this "Christian Nation" is supposed to have freedom of religion... see below. If you don`t want other people telling you their opinions about religions then at least have the decency to do the same... in other words STFU X,D
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    iambuzzed Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    i always have to laugh when I hear about the "persecution" christians are treated to here.
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    Plague555 Male 18-29
    553 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    As an atheist, I`ve experienced disdain from other religious members. But I`ve only seen it during my biology course when the freaking Catholics and Christians kept trying to convince the professor to not teach evolution. But I`ve never experienced it to the point that this video made it seem.
  81. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    Compared to the persecution Christians, like 5Cats and I, are treated too here, I don`t feel the least bit sorry for those people.
    It`s not because you are Christian. It is because you are so often wrong and fight so very hard in proving that your brand of wrong is right.
  82. Profile photo of I-See-U
    I-See-U Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    Questions for believers:

    Why did God write his teachings in a book and not the sky, so that everyone can see it? If he is almighty then why pen and paper?

    Why was North and South America excluded from the three major religions until the 15th century? Did God need Columbus to tell him about the new world?

    Why would God want us to worship him? Is he that self-absorbed to create us just to worship him?

    Why does a child who is conceived by a brother and sister have so many health problems, when Adam and Eves children who were sibling had children of their own?

    Jesus could move oceans, turn water into wine, etc... but died by three nails?

    How does a virgin get pregnant?

    How come we are finding things from millions of years ago when the earth was just recently created?

    How come the Bible is so similar to Greek mythology which was told thousands of years before the three major religions came into play? Which included
  83. Profile photo of skytz1337
    skytz1337 Male 18-29
    687 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    I just realised something...most of the atheists are well educated people...and that makes sence...cuz well over 80% of the planet`s population are complete idiots so of course atheists are in minority...and as the world evolves more and more people start to think for themselfs
  84. Profile photo of Cruddup
    Cruddup Male 30-39
    56 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    @Madest, I apologize. But we seriously need to elevate the conversation.
  85. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    @NotaSpy, RE: "It`s not because you are Christian. It is because you are so often wrong and fight so very hard in proving that your brand of wrong is right."

    I`m assuming you are not lumping matters of faith in with being "wrong" because that`s an incredibly stupid and closed-minded attitude to have about that. IF it`s actually being wrong about a proven fact, then, in that case, right on, but, justifying persecution against someone`s faith based on their correctness regarding unrelated facts and scenarios is, again, asinine.
  86. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    xelous: atheism is NOT a reliogion, it`s the absence of religion thus it is not protected.

    Also, Christians are routinely baited here with continuous anti-Christian submissions. So, "Don`t start nuthin`, Won`t be nuthin`" applies.

    NottaSpy: `Right and Wrong` is subjective in your eyes, It is not subjective in Christian eyes. We have a clear guide for proper behavior, You make yours up as you go along.
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    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    @skytz"LEET(for some reason)": I`m assuming you mean themselves. I`m not one to prey on grammar errors - i find it trite and juvenile - but if you`re going to be calling the majority of the world "idiots" you should probably make sure your accusation is well formed, both grammatically and with proper punctuation. If English isn`t your primary language, you should still have a fairly general grasp of punctuation and capitalization - that`s near universal these days.
  88. Profile photo of iambuzzed
    iambuzzed Male 40-49
    93 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    ...seriously though, living in the midwest, you keep your atheism to yourself. if i came out of the closet, i`d be doomed....even though I don`t hate on people who seem crazy to me...
  89. Profile photo of IrishJesus
    IrishJesus Male 18-29
    483 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    This is something I`ve been arguing about for years. When I "came out" with my atheist beliefs 6 years ago (I was 16), I was yelled at by my family who nearly disowned me, constantly telling me I was going to hell and that they wouldn`t miss me if I didn`t go back to Christianity. I lost a lot of friends, some long term and very close. I was sent to detention weekly for not saying "under God" when reciting the pledge in high school. When Christians argue on here that they`re so oppressed by atheists, it kills me. We are fighting back because of people like CrakrJak who think it`s OK to tell a group of people with a belief to just suck it up because the U.S. is mostly Christians. So black protestors were being unreasonable when they fought for equality because they are a minority? I`m not saying atheists are treated as badly as black people were 50 years ago, but my point is that people should always fight for their beliefs. Kiss my ass, Crakr.
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    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    @I-see-u:
    1) He wrote it on two stone tablets first, but that aside - that "pen and paper" is the story of God - before and when He was on this earth.

    2) That`s… not entirely the case. I`m not about to start on that one in 1000 characters, however.

    3) Because He`s selfish, self-serving, and deserving. … so yes, He did create us just to worship Him. Happy?

    4) I wasn`t alive then, can`t answer that. Many theories, including DNA degradation, impure strains, etc have been posited. That aside - it`s also quite possible that AaE`s story is allegory to explain Man`s fall from grace. I can`t begin to know the answer to this.
  91. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    @I-see-u:
    5) Oh, please! That was the whole point of Him coming to this earth in the first place! In the OT the penalty for sin was death. Jesus died, that we might not have to pay that debt (animal sacrifice). If you`re going to attack something, at least know about it first.

    6) F-ing magnets, how do they work? In all seriousness - there`s no reason that that`s not possible from a supernatural standpoint.

    7) Um, because it wasn`t? Most of us don`t actually believe the 6000 year thing you know…

    8) Don`t know where you were going with 8, but that statement`s not really true.
  92. Profile photo of Ska_Machine
    Ska_Machine Male 13-17
    153 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Duh...The guys from Mythbusters are Atheists....How could they not be, they bust myths for a living!
  93. Profile photo of SharkFreak
    SharkFreak Male 18-29
    71 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    @Oldfrt

    How the hell am I a troll? I posted a comment in which I express how the comments in this post are driven.
  94. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
    734 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    As an atheist, I`ve never felt all that discriminated against. A few things here and there, sure, but no fear of being kicked out of my house, or anything.

    Then again, I also don`t live in the Bible belt like where most of these stories seem to come from.

    1:50 Ayn Rand? Do we really need a controversial figure like that thrown in the mix?
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    Most tolerant...?

    You`re $hitting me right? I have met very few atheists who have respected the fact that I`m Catholic. If you want to be an atheist, that`s fine. Really, be an Atheist, its okay. Jesus didn`t browbeat anyone into listening to him. Just because someone says that they are religious is not an open invitation to test their beliefs.

    If you choose not to believe in God, its okay. You are a logical, intelligent human being who simply does not see enough evidence of a God. Belief in God is just that, a belief based on faith. There`s no reason to go back and forth like this.
  96. Profile photo of Oldfrt
    Oldfrt Male 50-59
    747 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    @SharkFreak: How the hell am I a troll? I posted a comment in which I express how the comments in this post are driven.

    It was a joke. I was sarcastically agreeing with you.
  97. Profile photo of Venxdee
    Venxdee Male 18-29
    4 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    I really don`t think they can claim stephen hawking as an aetheist
  98. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
    734 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    @ Luckydave "Jesus didn`t browbeat anyone into listening to him"

    No, but the inquisition sure did. And anybody involved in the crusades. Or any other number of Christian organizations between Jesus and now. It`s actually been pretty brutal, when you stop to look at it.

    Now I`m not saying that you are like this, and I`m not saying that the atheists you refer to had a right to be like they were. But if you think that there aren`t large numbers of Christians who are exactly the same way, you`ve got another thing coming.
  99. Profile photo of Arcval
    Arcval Male 18-29
    304 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    I`m always amazed by how drated up religion is in america and how intolerant a country it is.
  100. Profile photo of I-See-U
    I-See-U Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    @Deviros

    The only fact that you provided (which isn`t backed up by any physical evidence) is when you said he wrote it in stone. The rest of your answers don`t have any substance to them.

    It went from pen and paper to rock and chisel, which is even more outdated.

    So,the almighty god use the same method of writing that was used by cavemen thousands of years ago?

    Couldn`t he think of anything better that would be universal and accessible by every human being on the planet?


    P.S. Magnets are not supernatural they are real, You can buy them at Wal-Mart.
  101. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
    734 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    As an addendum to I-See-U`s comment, let me add that the stone tablets were smashed and lost forever shortly after being made. Given that God is omniscient, and could therefore predict this event, it seems as though even the stones thing was a pretty weak idea.
  102. Profile photo of xelous
    xelous Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    @CrakrJak
    Never did I say that Atheism is a religion.
    You`re free to believe in what you wish why wouldn`t I be able to?
    I`m not telling you to be Atheist, i`m just telling you that I am and, for some reason just like the video, it makes people mad.

    p.s. freedom of religion would also mean the freedom to not have a religion, nice try though
  103. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    @I-see-you: the magnets were a joke. I really hope you aren`t serious.

    AS to your other statements, Nos. 7 and 5 were both "factual" in respect to what they were addressing. As to the tablets/pen/paper thing: my point was that a) there was that one thing and b) the point is that it`s by faith.

    I addressed all of your points, many with legitimate reasons, yet you say that my answers have no substance, while ignoring two of the most significant answers I gave you: 7 and 5. I would have thought you`d have been happy about 7.
  104. Profile photo of SharkFreak
    SharkFreak Male 18-29
    71 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    @Oldfrt Well played, sir.
  105. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    I see it as tolerant people vs. intolerant people, and believe me, there are plenty of both on each side.
    Well said @Webz! It`s really REALLY true! I`ve met TONS of "Christians" who are utter jerks using "Christianity" as a reason to poop on others. Dittio for atheists, unionists, and other assorted bigots. People hate! They claim to follow a loving doctrine but really, they don`t.

    Poor atheists, and anti-Semites, and racists, and misogynists, they just don`t have the political power of other bigots.
    LOLZ! @Heureux: I rarely agree with you but this time you`ve really nailed it! East Germany indeed! Well done!
  106. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    Compared to the persecution Christians, like 5Cats and I, are treated too here, I don`t feel the least bit sorry for those people.
    ... on an internet forum... versus the video which was real life.

    People disagree with you and insult you because you`re a moron.

    Persecution is something else entirely.

    But please stick around. I enjoy your wacky antics. Overall I think it`s beneficial, since people who are new to this `controversial issue` can build confidence in their own opinions by being able to dismiss yours so easily.
  107. Profile photo of Scuzoid
    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    I`m almost certain goth/emo is practically a religion. After reading a comment about will ferrel on one of these posts, I`m pretty much certain Goth/Emo would`ve ranked MUCH higher than atheists if it were a part of the michigan study.

    That makes me feel better about being an atheist in reality and should probably make most christians feel better about being christians on the internet (Lets be real, the only place where being a christian is wrong.)
  108. Profile photo of IrishJesus
    IrishJesus Male 18-29
    483 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    LazyMe484:
    Fight the power!

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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    Who cares? I shave my testicles.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    Ghandi was a vegetarian... so was Hitler.
    Preach-on! Brother @Johanvb!

    One thing Atheists have going for them is that they won`t be disappointed when they die.
    HAHAHAHA! @madest! And the best part is: you have NO IDEA that you`ve just "Fisked" yourself!

    Questions for believers: - i-see-u
    YAWN!~ Boring! Next!
  111. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    6) F-ing magnets, how do they work? In all seriousness - there`s no reason that that`s not possible from a supernatural standpoint.
    THANK YOU @Deviros! You`ve really made reading 5 pages of crapola worthwhile! :-)

    So,the almighty god use the same method of writing that was used by cavemen thousands of years ago?
    @i-see-you: Cavemen PAINTED on walls, idiot! Carving in stone came much, much later.

    FYI: "Magnets: how do they work" is a recurring theme here at IAB: in fact, humans do NOT know "how they work" at all! (actually it`s "why" they work but _W_) so there!
  112. Profile photo of Asino
    Asino Male 18-29
    137 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm
    Wow. the USA never stops to amaze me. Makes me glad I live in holland once again. Thanks USA, for beeing awesomely ignorant! (that`s most of the USA citizens, probably not registered IAB visitors)
  113. Profile photo of Anger
    Anger Male 18-29
    218 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    even with ten years of Muslim bashing in the media people still hate atheists more, I`m impressed
  114. Profile photo of Mr_Sir
    Mr_Sir Male 18-29
    576 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    Way too over the top. Where the fu(k is all this prejudice for atheist cause I live in bible belt (I think) and I`m not seeing any of it? In fact most everyone I know IS atheist.

    You wanna see god? All you need is 7 grams of mushrooms and a quiet dark room.
    -Joe Rogan
  115. Profile photo of LuckyDave
    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    @ Dragonlord

    That`s not what I am saying at all. I`m well aware that there are many Christians who have picked up many of the bad habits of persecution that Christians themselves first faced when the religion was first being spread. But to say that Atheist persecution of Christians is then justified is a petty and childish thought. Its almost like being racist, hating the whole because most that you have come in contact with have been total dicks. I don`t hate Atheists, and I don`t hate any person because of what they believe unless they themselves give me a reason to deserve my ire.
  116. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    We have a clear guide for proper behavior

    The concept of `liberty` isn`t clear enough?

    Oh right YOU`RE conformist!
  117. Profile photo of Nocciolina
    Nocciolina Female 18-29
    1623 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    Oh, America... why am I not surprised? I`m an atheist and one of my best friends is christian, and we get along perfectly fine... nothing changed, not even after I told her I was gay too.
  118. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm
    Oh Hell your comment in of itself is an outright lie. If it was so clear then there should be no debate whatsoever about what is proper behavoir.

    But you know who else has a `clear` guide of proper behavoir?

    Muslims,
    Jews,
    Buddhists,
    Bahai`i,
    Rastas,
    Wiccans,
    Hindus,
    Pastafarians,
    Shintoists,
    <loud inhalation>
    Pagans,
    Sikhs,
    Unitarians,
    Jainists,
    Confuciasts,
    Daiosts,
    Zoroastarians,
    Klingons,
    Romulans,
    Hobbits,
    Jedi,
    <panting>

    I could go on...
  119. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    @Cajun:
    *rolls up some newspaper*

    You left "Deists" off your list...

    *smacks @Cajun around some*

    (Yes I`m actually a Deist, sorry @CrakrJak! But we`re both still in the same boat really.)
  120. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:53 pm
    *rolls up some newspaper*

    You left "Deists" off your list...

    *smacks @Cajun around some*


    ...right back at ya 5Cats.

    `...etcetera etcetera etcetera`

    happy now?
  121. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    `...etcetera etcetera etcetera`

    Oh wait I remember typing this:

    I could go on

    So yes NOW we`re even.

    (Yes I`m actually a Deist, sorry @CrakrJak! But we`re both still in the same boat really.)

    Thanks nonetheless.
  122. Profile photo of Scuzoid
    Scuzoid Male 30-39
    1268 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    "nothing changed, not even after I told her I was gay too."

    What`s the point in coming out of the closet to same gender hetero friends if you guys don`t make out afterwards?

    I don`t like homosexuals because lesbians keep ruining all my fantasies.
  123. Profile photo of capnlumps
    capnlumps Male 13-17
    41 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    i dont understand why people think "under god" should be in the pledge of allegiance. its separation of church in state thats in the constitution that ultra-conservatives treat like the bible. If people like harold camping can preach in the streets about the end of the world then why cant an atheist make a billboard?
  124. Profile photo of I-See-U
    I-See-U Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    @5cats

    "@i-see-you: Cavemen PAINTED on walls, idiot! Carving in stone came much, much later."

    Hate to burst your bubble.....wait no I don`t.
    Heres proof.

    You know some people on this site I hate but, have respect for. You on the other hand I neither hate nor have any respect for. Your nuts.
  125. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm
    @I-see-u: The concept of "cavemen" aside - 35,000 years ago would have been around the time of the neanderthal - a tool using, hut building (probably) extinct, upright walking mammal. They, however, generally preferred to paint their stories on cave walls, the carving was more reserved for things such as tools and statues (like that one) and their "language" of pictures - AFAIK and to date (hey - i`m working with what I`ve been taught here) consisted primarily of charcoal drawings, NOT carving in stone tablets.
  126. Profile photo of Sachi001
    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 5:48 pm
    Oh poo. Every society treats each group that is minority in thinking as below themselves. Don`t think for one minute that a atheist society would not do the same if the roles were reversed. It`s in the evolutionary stature of man. Even in primate societies they have a pecking order. Pure equal and free Utopian societies are an illusion.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    The people that give Atheists a bad name are the Atheists Extremists like the douche bags that are trying to block the World Trade Center beams (That look like a cross) from being placed at the WTC 9/11 Memorial in New York. Not all things are black and white. Aside from the extremists I think Atheists are awesome.
  128. Profile photo of I-See-U
    I-See-U Male 18-29
    354 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    @Deviros

    I get what your saying. Still the fact remains that they did know how to carve stone thousands of years ago. It might not have been hieroglyphics on a pyramid or a tablet with 10 "rules" but it was stone carving nonetheless.
  129. Profile photo of PirateWillis
    PirateWillis Male 18-29
    143 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 6:36 pm
    WHO CARES...Life is hard, get over it. Every minority gets crapped on in life, and soooo many people are against atheists because they speak out sooo much, and I`m not saying atheists in general, but their representation. Atheists get a bad rap for being seen speaking up against such stupid bullpoo. Everyone needs to get off their pedestal. but in all seriousness, i know an atheist and a nihilist and they kinda suck, they are such downers and the two i know are communist so that`s my view on them. Also @capnlumps if you don`t know why "under god" is in the pledge of allegiance then read up on some American history, unless you like Communism.
  130. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    If there was a God what would he be? The Bible says we were made in his image so he must have the human form. If he made everything then he`s older than time which would mean he lives outside the universe thereby giving him super powers. For God to affect anything within the universe he would have to be able to defy the four known forces and be able to move faster than the speed of light.
    Where did God come from? Is there a race of Gods each wth their own universe? Who is their God? Religion is nonsense when thought through by logical people.
  131. Profile photo of Billy62
    Billy62 Male 18-29
    159 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    I don`t know, part of me watched that video and thought, "aww, poor middle-class white people!"

    I`m an atheist and I`ve never gotten any crap about it, but then again, most people don`t seem to know I`m an atheist. Not that I hide it, it just never comes up in conversation.
  132. Profile photo of Deviros
    Deviros Male 18-29
    535 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    @I-see-u: Can`t argue against that - they certainly knew how to carve things - though, so far, only ivory has been found, we can probably assume that they may have had tools that could etch stone with some degree of accuracy.

    @madest: who`s to say that God doesn`t exist outside of our own concept of the universe? There`s so much that we don`t understand, and I`m not even beginning to claim that "everything we don`t understand == GOD!!!!!oneone!!" What I do believe, however, is that there exists a God, who exists outside of our own plane of existence. As to your argument of "faster than light", etc think of what the third dimension would look like to something that only exists in the second dimension, and think of how we perceive the second dimension. Those in the second dimension would have no way to comprehend those in the third, and def. couldn`t comprehend the fourth.
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    F*ckin` America. I live in western Canada and doubt that anyone I know could care less about my not being a myth-believer. Organized bigotry against atheism in a BC small town would make the evening news, and the perpetrators made to look like fools. I can`t understand how, in a modern country like the USA, so many of you are worse than the Muslims you often criticize!
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    This may have been applicable around 10 years ago. Atheists who push their ideology on me and accuse me of irrationality are just as bad as the creationists I argue with. Live and let live.
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    syke22 Male 18-29
    1136 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    Atheists are known as the douchebags who start debates over religion just to show that they`re atheists... hate atheists like that
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    shaboinkin Male 18-29
    456 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Yeahh I remember I told this guy that I didn`t really believe in god/God, then he came to me for a while trying to convince me to accept god.

    I had my high school band director confront me because he wanted to know why I didn`t believe in god.

    I posted a video on facebook and had another guy question me and try to convince me to accept God by showing me a video of some random guy saying how wonderful life is and it`s all thanks to his lord and savior

    Then a girl I was trying to get with learned that I didn`t believe in any form of religion and turned me down because of that.

    That`s the most that ever really happen to me.
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    md14 Male 18-29
    4 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    American must be the only developed country where religion takes such an important role in society.They discuss whether they should teach evolution,they still associate the state with the church,they claim to be the nation of god and every presidential speech ends with "god bless USA".i Am not saying for people to stop believing in a religion, just chill out and live your live the way you want to and not disturbing the others
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    @carmium

    Really now. I meet quite a few Canadian tourists who criticize Japanese while in Japan on how stupid their societal behaviors are. Canadians, Europeans and Aussies are just as bad as the Americans in wagging their tongue. Get a grip.
  139. Profile photo of LuckyDave
    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:14 pm
    "Religion is nonsense when thought through by logical people." -Madest

    Where did all the matter in the Universe come from? What happens when you go through a black hole? What does a T-Rex -really- sound like? Who killed Jimmy Hoffa?

    You`re confusing fact and faith. As science cannot answer any of these questions the same bull$hit excuse can be used by people of faith to debunk science. There is a very, very easy way to find out if there really is a God.

    Die.

    Now if there really is or is not something there afterward is unknown, no one has died and come back to tell us. But I guarantee you that you will find out first hand if you look for yourself.

    As for me, until I get there, I chose to believe there is something; and will leave you unimpeded to live your life as you see fit. But its this notion that science proves there is no God when it can do neither that gets me.

    Faith is not fact; don`t confuse the two.
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    BluishOrange Female 50-59
    87 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    If Ayn Rand`s an atheist, I`m going to be a Muslim Christian Jew Wiccan Zoroastrian.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
    192 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    @kittah9lives "A look at discrimination against, and intolerance towards atheists." well im sorry for all of that, but how about a rebuttal. A look at discrimination against, and intolerance towards christians.
    http://www.i-am-bored.com/

    i know its true
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    Mythbusters should have a religion episode.
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
    101 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm
    @mandingo: So some people on the internet said bad things about Christians. Look at the statistics. Athiests are far more marginalized than Christians are.

    @BluishOrange: Ayn Rand was most certainly athiest. Done.

    I`m pretty lucky. I haven`t dealt with too much poo regarding my athiesm. Regardless, I do deal with the woes of living in an overly puritanical society and of dealing with people who assume that athiesm automatically suggests immorality or amorality. Maybe athiests don`t agree with some religious types` arbitrary, god-given moral laws, but, from my experience, athiests are some of the most tolerant, bearable, and genuine people I`ve spent time with.
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    x13purplesta Female 30-39
    235 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 8:59 pm
    I work in a book store and I COULD get sucked in to religious conversations over any number of books but I just keep my mouth shut. When people ask me about bibles I just say " I don`t know the difference, here they are! "One woman was freaking out about Wiccans and thought they were scary. I quietly mentioned that crucifixions are scary, too. Right over her head. MY coworkers, some of whom are also atheist, all know my beliefs. Not a big deal. Anyways, intolerance by religious people is nothing new. My friends know my stance and I know theirs. It`s a non issue. My family, on the other hand they know but it`s not a big deal, all my immediate family aren`t very religious and definitely not practicing any religion...I think my grandmonther would cry if she knew I was an atheist (raised Catholic) but I don`t actively try to hide it from anyone but her.
  145. Profile photo of BluishOrange
    BluishOrange Female 50-59
    87 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:00 pm
    I don`t care about anyone`s religious beliefs or non-beliefs. I just want to stay the H. E. Double Hockey Sticks away from any club Ayn Rand belonged to.
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    swaffire Male 18-29
    67 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    i just DGAF. let those who believe, believe and those that dont, dont. yet people will never let it be that simple SSDD
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
    192 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:11 pm
    @ Dhharrgoww "atheists are some of the most tolerant, bearable, and genuine people I`ve spent time with." and they are tolerant by posting and attacking Christianity ??? bearable by whineing about Christians doing exactly what athiests do too (cramming down the others throught) and genuine by even making this video that has no objective view FAIL but as i have said before i do respect your opinions and don`t really care how you decipher the info in front of you I choose Christianity you choose what u chose Christians use to be killed for believing. so forgive me if i am not sorry for some radicals saying bad things to you i try to leave people alone about his/her belief but im tired of all this 2 faceness "we get talked about badly so feel bad for us, but Christians are ....." and " this Christian is attacking my beliefs boo hoo , but i am going to attack his beliefs get fair
  148. Profile photo of whyme73
    whyme73 Male 18-29
    469 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:26 pm
    I don`t really like either side. Atheists can be douche bags who think they are all knowing and ridicule religion. And hardcore Christians can be ignorant and stubborn about their beliefs. This video is just trying to play the pity card for atheists saying poor us we haven`t done anything wrong and everyone hates us.
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
    101 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    @Mandingo: Just talking about my personal experience. In my personal experience, athiests have been more bearable, tolerant, and less preachy than Christians. In my experience.

    I didn`t make any sweeping claims about athiests or Christians. Just saying what my experience has been. Some Christians are tolerant, some aren`t, some athiests are tolerant, some aren`t. Both are capable of both. Let me say it again: my experience.

    Yes, the video provides anecdotes of athiests who dealt with adversity. Subjective? Maybe. But the video also provides statistics. Athiests are more marginalized.
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    sexytexan876 Male 18-29
    42 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 9:43 pm
    I`m an atheist. I couldn`t care less if some Christian/ Muslim/ Jewish person tried to belittle me for it. In the end, there`s no real way of knowing one way or the other. I`ve simply chosen the most logical path I see in front of me.

    A stranger says "A" is true, but has no proof of "A`s" truth. The only option I see is utter disbelief. Others may choose faith, but that is a quality I lack.
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    KidGixxer Male 30-39
    182 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    Do what i do.
    When people ask me my religion or lack there of,
    I tell them i am a scientologist.
    And when they look at me with that face and tell me im crazy,
    I tell then "nah im just kidding im atheist you are the crazy one"
  152. Profile photo of Elegy
    Elegy Male 13-17
    155 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    screw the video. I`m a strong atheist, but the video just makes atheism look pitiful. Yeah, in school, people hold up their crosses in front of me when I tell them I`m an atheist, and my teachers sometimes return essays written in the support of atheism with a "redo" stamp on them (almost always), but I don`t think it`s bad enough to create a video like this. The worst criticism I get is from my Girlfriend whom wants to marry me in a church.
    I don`t care what religion you are or if you are an atheist.. The only thing I would want from others is for them to accept me as a person instead of judging me by my beliefs
    (yeah it might be contradictory of my previous statement, but seriously, who doesn`t want to be accepted).
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    itzazoom Male 18-29
    182 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    to say it with the words of phyllip defranconess: what the drat US type people?
    but really... what the hell, if were going to hell LET US but let it be OUR PROBLEM.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 11:25 pm
    BluishOrange: I just want to stay the H. E. Double Hockey Sticks away from any club Ayn Rand belonged to.

    Why does she seem to scare you ?

    I`m a Christian and she doesn`t scare me, In fact she gave very logical political arguments despite her atheism.
  155. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    July 27, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    "...In fact she gave very logical political arguments despite her atheism."

    What an idiotic statement. Why would her being an athiest mean that she couldn`t give logical political arguments?

    Politics is not religion, they don`t go hand in hand.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 12:07 am
    The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010. Guess how many of those were Atheist Groups?

    Zero.
  157. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 12:34 am
    Buiadh: Politics is not religion, they don`t go hand in hand.

    They certainly have been `hand in hand`, The reasons the pilgrims came here was for religious freedom. The importance of religious freedom from England was enshrined in our very first amendment to the constitution. The words God, Creator, and Lord are used in our founding documents and was discussed at length between our nations founders.

    The may be different words, but they aren`t wholly separate from one another when it comes to several matters of importance.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 12:48 am
    markust: That list doesn`t list groups like The Weathermen, the Tides Foundation, and the Open Society Institute and other socialist groups that have routinely spewed hate toward America, capitalism, conservatism and Christianity.
  159. Profile photo of emmettyville
    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 1:01 am
    they are afraid of us becasue we have free thought and will.
  160. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    996 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 3:17 am
    CrakrJak: "The importance of religious freedom from England was enshrined in our very first amendment to the constitution. The words God, Creator, and Lord are used in our founding documents"
    These two sentences seem to collide, don`t they? Not that I presume to know about American law, but the First Amendment was to impede an establishment of religion,wasn`t it? And as religious trolls tend to declare atheism as a religion too, that would mean that it should be respected under the First Amendment.
    On the other hand, the couple of atheists that were on the video should grow some balls. "They say we will go to hell!" What do you care? You don`t believe in hell, so what the hell!
  161. Profile photo of Samsquanch
    Samsquanch Male 30-39
    792 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 3:51 am
    Buzzz...wrong. Carl Sagan wasn`t an atheist. He was a pantheist. Smidge of a difference, and I can understand the confusion. Atheists don`t believe in a higher being whatsoever. Pantheists don`t believe in the Christian notion of a God, but rather that God can be found through science.
    Thomas Edison believed in an afterlife, and had intentions of working on a spirit box to communicate with those on the other side. In fact, the phonograph was his first attempt at recording disembodied voices. He, also, was a pantheist: believing in the notion of some higher power, just not a judgemental one, nor one who exists outside our universe.
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
    934 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 5:15 am
    Attn: Religious People

    If you think that putting your faith in something that has no real evidence is silly, and want some interesting ideas on how to extrapolate morality from rationality, you could look into Humanism

    It`ll only cost you some thought, and I promise that you`ll be able to see the world a whole lot more clearly.
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
    934 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 5:28 am
    Flame warrrrrrrrrrrs, you made my day-ayyyyy.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 5:34 am
    Atheism is important. It keeps religion from claiming events as their own. 9/11 and the Freedom tower is now being hi-jacked by Christians with a cross shaped I beam from the wreckage that they`ve been praying over for the last few years. Atheists are suing to stop the madness and I for one applaud them. You can read about it here.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 6:09 am
    @CrakrJak

    None of the organizations you mentioned are exclusively atheist.
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    andybme Male 50-59
    296 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 7:28 am
    That quote from House shown on here the other day says it all. If you could reason with religious people you wouldn`t have religious people.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 8:56 am
    "That list doesn`t list groups like The Weathermen, the Tides Foundation, and the Open Society Institute and other socialist groups that have routinely spewed hate toward America, capitalism, conservatism and Christianity."

    I vowed not to respond to CrakrJak anymore but his statement is so ridiculous I had to. What you are seeing in his response is a clear example of Glenn Beck brainwashing.

    The Weather Underground disintegrating in 1976. The list I posted is of active hate groups. Glenn Beck wanted so bad for this group to be active so he could have proof of a far left hate group.

    The Tides Foundation, and the Open Society Institute? Really? Both of these groups promote projects of tolerance and positivity. In Glenn Beck`s relentless pursuit to make George Soros a boogyman he has brainwashed CrakrJak and the rest of his followers into believing that these organizations are evil and hateful.
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    natehimmel Male 18-29
    13 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 9:35 am
    I like being reminded there are other atheists, and there are plenty of important, and "important" people, who are atheists, but I`m really not into videos/books/etc that showcase these. I worry they make atheism seem like a cult of personality.

    However, discrimination is a very real problem that most (if not all) atheists face.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
    770 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 9:44 am
    athiests are as bad as any severly radical religion. as the radical religiou can not be reasoned with neither can you reason with an athiest.

    Extreme Faith in God = Extreme Faith God does not exist.

    Either way I have never personaly been belittled for anything other than my faith in God. Which I find most ironic because I never even bring the subject up. I am asked what my religion is. I answer. And let the bitching commence.

    If you want to know about my faith fine. I will tell you. I have never forced my faith on anyone. But Athiests keep trying to force theirs on me.
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 10:00 am
    I`m Atheist...

    Personally I find it amazing when people ask how I can not believe in a higher power. My normal response is why is it so extreme to think their is no God ... While believing a benelivant unknown force created the world in 7 days? I mean what sounds more crazy... and understanding that we don`t know everything in this universe or a cop out by saying "God did it... because I don`t understand."
  171. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 10:31 am
    @markust123, CrakrJak is Glenn Becks last fan. His end is near.
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    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 10:46 am
    @inversegrav I agree that there are militant athiests, just as there are militant relgious people. But saying you can`t reason with an Athiest is counter to what Athiesm is. Athiesm is a point you reach when you`ve used reason and logic to come to a decision about whether or not there is a God. You are mistaking trying to get Athiests to have faith in something there is no logical or reasonable explanation for, let alone no proof for, as "reasoning" with them. An actual athiest with a logical mind would not believe in god unless there was evidence to support that the god exists. Athiests don`t take things on blind faith, or try to answer questions about the world based on an ancient book that was written during a time when people knew little about the world around them. I believe Athiests are so against religion because it`s holding humanity back as a species. Honestly, science should replace religion. And I`m suprised people still cling to ancient myths.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 10:54 am
    You on the other hand I neither hate nor have any respect for. Your nuts.
    @I-See-You: Um, that carving was not done on a wall, eh? The article even says it might be a naturally formed stone (looks carved to me!).

    So why do you hate my nuts? (you`re nuts is correct Oh smart one!) Is it because I`m smarter than you and constantly PROVE you wrong? Or that you`re so desperate to feel good about yourself you`ll say anything to put others down? Even linking articles to `prove` your point that actually have nothing to do with what was said?
    Sad really.
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
    1744 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 11:24 am
    since there`s an alignment with atheism and science, i think atheism will be a majority fairly soon. i think people are just getting tired of old preachers, i`ll be glad to see them go.
    I do wish atheists would shut up to tho, some of them can be just as bad about "you should NOT believe just like I DON`T believe!!". Annoying
  175. Profile photo of markust123
    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    "Atheism is important. It keeps religion from claiming events as their own. 9/11 and the Freedom tower is now being hi-jacked by Christians with a cross shaped I beam from the wreckage that they`ve been praying over for the last few years. Atheists are suing to stop the madness and I for one applaud them."

    Madest, I`m an agnostic that absolutely does not believe in organized religion. What is the problem with them putting the WTC beam that looks like a cross at the 9/11 memorial in New York? This beam really helped a lot of the first responders cope with the magnitude of the devastation. I`m not bothered by the cross being a part of the memorial. Same way I`m not bothered by Christmas trees in airports. I`m just curious what is your beef with this one?
  176. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
    1646 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm
    once humanity becomes intelligent again, religious people will rightly be the least trusted minority... damn the dark ages.
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    WargMaster Male 30-39
    42 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    @phoneybone
    The problem is that HUMANS are annoying...... :)
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    RealBadNews Female 18-29
    31 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    I`m so glad that this doesn`t happen where I live and that (at least in my experience) people don`t often care about your beliefs. The hate from both sides just seems utterly pointless.
  179. Profile photo of BluishOrange
    BluishOrange Female 50-59
    87 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    CrakrJak, Ayn Rand doesn`t scare me. I think she was a bad writer of polemical fiction with a very flawed vision that was an extreme reaction to Soviet-style communism. What scares me are the willing serfs who take her anti-government ideology seriously today, and what scares me even more are the corporate tyrants who are gleefully dishing it out. I`m 56 years old, and Ayn Rand`s weak drivel was already debunked among all with half a brain by the time I came of age. How has she resurfaced as a force to be reckoned with? Feudal times are a-coming.
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    thehitcher Male 18-29
    237 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    yeah ill let both sides fight it out til everyones dead. ill be the one laughing then. douches
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    2L82Pray Female 30-39
    70 posts
    July 28, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    As an agnostic I don`t want people showing up on my door peddling their religion, or telling me I`m going to hell...anymore than I`m going to tell them they`re "crazy/stupid/insert insult" for believing in God. This is the problem with too many Atheists today. They think because they don`t believe, they should Never, EVER have to see, read or experience ANYTHING Dealing with Religion. Bullsh*t. Get over it. As my ex used to say...If all those people are in Church on Sunday, at least they`re not on the street; It keeps them out of trouble *LOL* Even religion has it`s place. If you don`t want your kids hearing about God, enroll them in private school or start your own Educational Institute for the Separation of Education and Religion Academy. Brad & Angelina might even toss in a few bucks to help you start up
  182. Profile photo of PierreJeanFR
    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    July 29, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Let us become a majority!
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    July 29, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    thehitcher, it sounds like you don`t understand it. Atheists do not "fight it out" with religious people. We are the peaceful, calm ones. We don`t really have a "side" in the normal meaning. We just are.
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    xelous Male 18-29
    2513 posts
    July 29, 2011 at 7:51 pm
    @AGit it is completely understandable to have thick skin and just shrug of the moronic tendencies of humans. This situation has added complication because what was an honest plea to not have their children, in public school, forced to go to bible study class. Which would`ve been fine if it was deity 101 or history of religion but it was not. Also the reason they left the town was not for the name calling but that their children were being isolated by the whole crazy ass community. So you see it`s not a problem of name calling. Pretty sure if everyone in town hated you and your children you`d move too, not even for yourself but for your kids.

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