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49 Responses to Another Flotilla Is Heading For Gaza (vid)

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 2, 2011 at 8:57 am
    Link: Another Flotilla Is Heading For Gaza (vid) - Who are these ``blockade runners``? Listen to their own words and decide for yourself.
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    Francakes Female 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 9:23 am
    I`ve never been there, but I was told by an Israeli here in America that Israel has religion freedom, women with equal rights, and a democratic government. How can you be racists with those things?
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    Francakes Female 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 9:25 am
    They also have the most hostile boarders of any nation surrounded by people who do not have religious freedom, do not have rights for women, and who have radical Muslims, AND who want to occupy Jerusalem as their own capital because of their own religious reasons.
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    Calummac Male 13-17
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    July 2, 2011 at 9:53 am
    I hope they get shot at, bunch of c*nts
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    muzloviti Female 18-29
    135 posts
    July 2, 2011 at 10:46 am
    "This war that the Israelis have been waging on the Palestinians"-- Democratic civil rights activist.
    "Never again should people be subjected to such persecution."-- Retired marine who said a U.S. Invasion would lead to impeachments in the house, and legislation should be introduced.
    "We can not aid and abet a `Terrorist` organization."-- A member of Another Jewish Voice, a group that believes that Israel is wrong in its treatment of Palestine. They want the U.S. to back out of Israel, and that this can lead to a just peace.

    None of these people can give a unbiased view on the subject. This video sickens me, and makes me even more afraid for the family I have in Israel.
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    BRKNVLTR Male 40-49
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    July 2, 2011 at 10:47 am
    Israel stands alone in a world of aggression against them. The piece of shizzit currently in the white house has helped alienate them to countries around them. I hope Israel nukes the shizzit out of all their enemies. I just hope the next American President isn`t a muslim sympathizer and can restore our relationship with them and our standing in this world.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 10:56 am
    francaces: rights only apply to israelis.

    Most they say in the vid is factual, and anyone who bothers can check it for them selves... nothing new here :-p
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
    This is the sort of "intelligence" behind these flotillas.
    Smart, edcated people interested in freedom for all? NOPE!
    Brain-dead anti-semites willing to help terrorists kill more civilians? YUP!

    Hey, 5 positive commentors; why such a low score? More lefties rating it "1" without even watching, yet again?

    Further Update From Greece!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:02 am
    If the palestinians wanted peace, real peace, all they would have to do is recognize Israel as a legitimate state, quit lobbing rockets into Israel, quit taking hostages, let the hostages they have go, and lay down their arms.

    I don`t believe those are unreasonable terms at all. Hamas will not do it, they don`t want peace, they want all Jews dead, They want Israel destroyed in the name of Allah, then they will turn their attention towards developing a global caliphate.

    Btw, Israel has some of the best hospitals in that region of the world, but because the muslims hate the Jews there so much they won`t allow other muslims to get emergency care in them. That `s why so many muslims get poor health care and end up dieing there.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:03 am
    @Student_Law: So the laws of Israel apply to Israelis? Woah, what a concept! Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews having the same rights offends you somehow, eh?

    I know you intended to say "only to Jews" which is an oughtright lie. How does that explain Arabic political parties winning seats in parliment? Unlike virtually ALL the Arabic Muslim nations, Israel is a real democracy and allows freedom for all.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:06 am
    It`s easy to criticize when you don`t get rockets shot into your neighborhoods on a weekly basis. The last time WE were attacked we went totally ape-poo and invaded two countries and completely dismantled them. Israel has been restrained by comparison. Especially considering that their people have been bled more by Muslim terror. I`m not saying that Israel is completely justified in everything it does, just that the problem is way more complicated than these ignorant Americans on the video care to realize. But I guess idealism makes up stupidity.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:09 am
    @5cats: don`t over- troll dude, keep in mind that a certain level of pretend-seriousness is required for someone to take the bate and start a rant.

    Or maybe not, haha. But still, trolling for lefties on iab might not be the easiest thing, the most you get here is angry atheists/christians. This is not the best site, but i will follow your "hunt" with interest on this post, and wish you luck :-)
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:11 am
    @5cats: yawn. Get a life, wierdo.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:31 am
    I`m sitting here in Jerusalem writing this comment, and I have to say the what Student Law said is 100% correct.

    As an Israeli myself I get to see the racism in Israel. Those rights and democracy everybody is talking about is absolute nonsense, the democracy is exclusive to Jews only.

    I dare any of you to walk down the streets of Palestain and see just how much freedom those guys have. Or even just the streets of Jerusalem.

    Daily I see signs with only the arab letters erased by graffiti, and other graffiti signs stating `Death to arabs".

    I have once argued with a friend about the democracy in Israel and he told me that Israel is for the Jews and the democracy is for Jews. He said there`s Palestain and There`s Israel...

    Not too long ago, before the summer break, I heard a friend of mine laughing about how he saw some border patrol guys beating the crap out of some arab teen. I avoided it but eventually asked him like I think it`s funn
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:35 am
    It has Happened before that Israelis shot children.

    In once visited Beth Lehem, and saw a children playground with a border patrol tower about a hundred meters from there. The playground had marks of shootings and I have been told that the border patrol (In Hebrew MAGAV- Mishmar HaGvul) shot them just for fun. Then they couldn`t bury the kids in the appropriate place because the MAGAV kept shooting, so they had to bury them in another part o the town. I went on and visited the graves of those children.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:46 am
    I can`t say much other than a few thoughts about what it might be like for them. When you`ve been at war for hundreds of years over land, and finally get that land back. Your certainly not going to want to give that land back. Which involves constant fighting to maintain control of the area. That would make anyone bitter, and it`s not fair for people outside to judge based on their cushy life style.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:54 am
    "The world of aggression" towards Israel may have been a factor prior to the Arab spring. With surrounding states overthrowing their American propped up dictators in hopes of democracy, Israel should take a clue and also change. Hard to ask the people your oppressing to change when you`re not willing to change yourself.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    If you look at the history of Israel you notice that this jewish nation was born from conflict.

    What this tells me is that Jews are really bad at mingling. I can see why so many people hate them, we learned from history that divide and conquer was not good for our species.

    It`s time they wake up, nobody likes heartless xenephobic priks.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    I don`t like Code Pink but I seriously they were going there to aid Hamas, just the people in the Gaza strip.

    BTW part of the definition of treason is giving aid AND comfort. Operative word is AND. So how can giving comfort alone be considered treason?
    If anything that should say "giving aid to the enemy".
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    @BLKNVLTR

    Such an attitude can only alienate even MORE nations in the region.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    meh....
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    This is support for terrorists, breaking several laws. Gaza is not in a terrible state, and the problems are largely caused by Hamas and the "Palestinian" people, not by Israelis (who left much infrastructure on withdrawal that has since been destroyed).
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    NNoamfer

    the Jews are used to blood libels, have suffered them for centuries. You are just repeating this vile, anti-Semitic propaganda.
  24. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 2, 2011 at 3:39 pm
    nobody likes heartless xenephobic priks
    Aww, don`t be so harsh on yourself @Groogle! Perhaps you`ll overcome your anti-semitism someday!

    @NNoamfer, the Guards shoot children just for fun? Riiiight. "Jews make the best anti-semites." (Assuming you actually are Jewish, can`t trust a soul on the interwebs, eh?)

    @Student_Law: wait, what? Lay off the bong sonny, it`s messing up your brainz.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    100% still.
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    What a bunch of propaganda BS. Israel giving Anemia my ass. That is lack of proper minerals in a proper diet. They have the same problem in the whole Middle East and Asia. Most of the tribal villages in Afghanistan/Pakistan suffer from it. Even in India they suffer from Anemia and a whole host of vitamin deficiency. Heck even quite of few Japanese women suffer such from lack of iron and also bone loss from Calcium and Vitamin D.

    Also the shooting of children in the head is a load of crap. CFR MFer`s
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    RdDan Male 30-39
    759 posts
    July 2, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    Don`t you just love mass generalizations -
    The Israelis are all racist.
    The English are all homosexual.
    The French are all on strike.
    The Aussies are all Bogans.
    The Irish are all terrorists.
    The Americans are all ignorant.
    The Japanese are all technology obsessives.
    The Disabled are all mentally challenged.
    PE teachers are all Paedo`s.
    Politicians are all scumbags.
    Internet Memes are all hilarious.
    Old books are all really good.
    My comments are all fantastic.
    Apple products are all well designed.
    etcetera etcetera
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 5:33 pm
    RdDan- exactly. That`s largely what`s fueling this whole conflict- people on both the Palestinian and Israli sides use rhetoric to frame the other side as being inhuman and evil, while people who just want to live their lives suffer for it. The conflict is complex, and trying to put a white hat on one side and a black hat on the other won`t do anything to bring it to an end.
  29. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 2, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    Another Report with 2 videos! One of Alice Walker blowing kisses towards Gaza (and Hamas), the other a report that Hamas police have tortured 4 men to death recently...

    @sbeelz: true there`s no "white/black hats" except in cowboy movies; but there`s still evil in the world which must be recognized and opposed. When one side commits 20X as many evil acts, it`s kinda easy to choose who to support.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 2, 2011 at 9:07 pm
    @5cats- 20x more evil acts? Really? Where are you getting that figure? Because last I checked, the civilian death toll was higher on the Palestinian side. The Palestinian virulent rhetoric and propensity for intentionally targeting civilians )rather than "accidentally" doing so) might be more shocking, but that doesn`t make the Israeli government`s actions any less evil. This conflict is about the powerful on both sides trying to maintain power with no regard for their respective citizenry.
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    Adi_Noor Male 18-29
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    July 2, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    If someone illegally and forcefully enters my home and destroy it and make his own home on that land and say that the land if gifted by god to me and the america supports it, it will ever never solve our conflict until the guy leaves my land
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 2:08 am
    5 Cats says: 20x.
    Reality says: 0.2x

    Civilians killed by Palestine: 1084.
    Civilians killed by Israel: 6430.

    Children killed by Palestine: 124
    Children killed by Israel: 1463


    Civilians injured by Palestine: 9`226
    Civilians injured by Israel: 45`041

    Israelis imprisoned: 1
    Palestinians imprisoned: 5935

    Demolition of Israeli homes: 0
    Demolition of Palestinian homes: 24`813

    Israeli settlements on land BEYOND the 1967 borders (I.e. Land taken after the war): 236
    Palestinian settlements in the other direction: 0



    So 5 cats, take every one of those, write them on a big piece of paper, and shove them far, far up your ass. 20x?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 2:17 am
    As for Crakr constant stream of bullpoo "If the Palestine`s just" followed by a stream of event the Israelis are not expected to do.

    Israel have never recognized Palestine, but Palestine must recognize Israel for peace?

    If Israel wants peace, it needs to stop demolishing homes, stop building on Palestinian lands (I`m only talking about land they continue to take AFTER all wars were said and done), and so on, they could have peace.

    This is evidenced by the fact that there has been a peace plan on the table, agreed upon by all Arab nations and the UN, that Israel has rejected and ignored for 20 odd years.

    Your "peace plan", as one sided as it is, is a hypothetical. This is real, and rejected. By Israel. Again.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 2:24 am
    Cats AND Crakr:
    Also, you itemizing motherdrater. Seriously, how many times do I have to explain that the point of having a single person highlighted as a representative (I.e. 10 people in a video instead of what, 100`000 contributing to the flotilla?) it`s because it`s an easy shot at a complex issue that you can bias in any direction.

    "Look, a <black> guy! Just goes to show you what <black people> are like!"

    You can do it with: Muslim, Arab, Flotilla supporters, Mexicans, Gays.... oh wait... you already do....

    You really gotta figure out how to deal with your issues.
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    July 3, 2011 at 4:54 am
    @Baal

    Where did you get these statistics?
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 6:00 am
    @5cats. I knew you would think I`m not really jewish or Israeli.

    I could write to you in Hebrew letters but IAB won`t let me.

    That`s a picture of me in Jerusalem:
    http://www.hawkengame.com/blog/wp-con tent/images/landmarks/Jeru salem.jpg
    (delete spaces)

    It`s easy to say I`m lying when you have no Idea what you are talking about. Look up my name "Noam" and you would see it`s an Israeli name.

    @randomxnp So I`m an anti-semitic jew? I heard that way too many times.I never said all Israelis or Jews are bad. There are many Israelis like me, and have you ever heard of Neturei Karta? It`s a group of Orthodox Jews that wants the destruction of Israel. Just to give you an example of variety.

    If any of you still don`t believe I`m Israeli, I can give you a brief summary on the history of Israel since it`s taught in schools. I can also tell you everything ab
  37. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 6:32 am
    @Baalthy your `stats` are utter bullpoop. You do not count the Palistinians killed by OTHER Palistinians! That number is usually counted as "killed by the IDF" by sources such as yours.

    Israelis imprisioned: 1 This is an outright LIE! There`s been at least 4-5 others kidnapped. And that`s just what I know of.

    Demolition of Israeli homes:0 Um, no rockets hit any houses? Another LIE.

    Fake numbers @Baalthy, that`s the best you got?

    Ooo, the Arabic "peace plan": give up every inch of farmland in Israel, hand over everything, cease to exist as a nation. I cannot imagine why Israel doesn`t JUMP at that one!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 6:42 am
    @NNoamfer: thanks for responding in a sensible way! I hope I can return the kindness.
    Anyone can say anything on the interwebs, so while I believe you`re a Jew in Jerusalem, I also keep in mind you might be a loonie in San Francisco, eh?
    As for your `first hand accounts` they sound like urban myths at best, viscious propoganda at worst.
    Clicky the "image" button on the right to post a picture. Also try "Tinyurl" dot com, it`s free! Very handy.

    @Baal Where did you get these statistics?
    Same place he gets all his `facts` from @Sachi001: he pulls them out of his arse! LOLZ! Or from Hamas` homepage, whichever stinks more...

    Atrocities @Baalthy:
    Murder of homosexuals
    Suicide bombing of civilians
    Infilitraters slaughtering families
    Lynching of suspected `colabarators`
    Deliberate targeting of civilians
    Using civilians as human shields

    You`ll find these are all entirely one-sided.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 7:35 am
    @5cats. Thanks didn`t realize that.

    About the shootings. I did see the marks on the ground and the graves but I don`t know for sure about the shootings. All the rest I said is absolutely actual and I have seen it with my own eyes. I tell you, you just need to visit Israel AND the arab villages to be able to tell. I have heard and seen countless times racism in Israel.

    On the holocaust memorail day a few years back, about 20 Israeli teens, some drunk some not, lynched two other arab teens, with wooden plates. That is not some myth, it was caught on camera and was on the news, and it happened in my own neighborhood.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 7:38 am
    Oh and 5cats, about the statistics, it is completely correct, we actually learn it in history class.

    In ordinary Israeli schools, not Palestinian schools.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 7:45 am
    The IAB format takes a little getting used to, no worries!

    Well, I truely hope those teens were arrested and charged. That`s yet another difference between Hamas and Israel: killers in Israel are arrested and jailed (there`s been many IDF members & Settlers jailed for their crimes against Palistinians) while PLO and Hamas call their killers heroes (or martyrs for the suicide bombers).

    It`s a violent place, the Middle East, I think I`ll stay here in Winnipeg. Racist Native Gangs and the Hells Angels are WHIMPS compared to what`s going on over there!

    In Israeli schools, yes? Because there is NO Israel in Palistinian schools... Well, I`d sure like to see a source, and also an accounting of Pali on Pali violence.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Israel is surrounded by countries sworn to exterminate them. Of course they take harsh measures for defense. Meanwhile, NONE of those peace loving muslim or arab nations will help the palastinians. They don`t want them squatting on their land either.


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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 7:50 am

    I love the stupid acusations in text.
    "Isreal is deliberately giving children anemia"... it`s not small pox or the flu.. you can`t "give" someone a case of anemia.

    "Isreal is shooting children in the head"
    oh puh-leez. And Hamas and the palastinians never send suicide bombers into weddings or put bombs on busses with children.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 8:17 am
    @5cats I want you to understand that I completely agree with Israel`s right to exist, but not this way. If you look at it logically you will see that the palestinians have more justification to be here.

    Jews where here in the bible but arabs were too, those were pagan and beduin tribes. Jews then left for religious reasons while arabs didn`t. Now both of them have a religious reason for the land but only one has the reason of being here all the time.

    And I also want to tell you that I am completely against Hamas since they hurt even their own people. Ask gazans what they thinks of the Hamas and they will tell you that they hate them (as long as the Hamas doesn`t hear them). Those people in the video are wrong about many things and they definitely have no idea what is really going on, but some of the things they said were taken out of context. Like any war children happen to die, and that what she said. She didn`t say they kill them on purpose.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    July 3, 2011 at 11:01 am
    Nazis=clowns. Racists=0. Palestine is a terrorist state.
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Is this meant to be ridiculous?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 3, 2011 at 11:46 am
    vv Nope @GasMaskKid, those people are 100% serious! They made these clips (afaik) to explain why they`re sailing to Gaza to support Hamas.

    Well I don`t think we can directly connect Arabic (and others) tribes from 2500 years ago (apx) with modern nations. On the other hand, the Jews ARE the same peoples as 2500 years ago. Same language, religion & etc. Muslims didn`t even exist back then! (obviously)

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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    July 3, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    @5cats, while some may be the actual ones, many jews are europeans and that`s definitely not native to the place. About the direct connection, you can see it genetically, the arabs have genes perfectly suitable for the middle east, and there is no dout they lived here or hundreds of years. It is also known that at the time the middle eastern people looks exactly like the arabs (and if you separate. "Mizrahi" people) of today. It makes perfect sense that they have been here ever since ancient men passed here on the way from africa to europe. It also explains why they are so widespread in the middle east. Religion doesn`t defy what you are saying, but culture may, and from personal experience I know that there are fast cultural differences among the Israelis.
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    kameo360fan Female 13-17
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    July 3, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    First thought ;
    The Quarian Flotilla?

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