Yahoo Answers!: Your Kid And Atheism [Pic]

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What is the best way to stop your child becoming an atheist?
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Male 5,413
So true!
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Female 64
Mr.Lill, you obviously did not read the whole thing. NO, there is NOTHING wrong with being religious and believing in some kind of god. but there is something wrong with shoving it down other peoples throats and calling them `evil` if they dont share the same beliefs as you. and being naive to hate others who dont believe in god or whatever it is you believe in. strict religious people seem very unhappy and grumpy most of the time and its like they want everyone to feel the same way they do... i dont get it at all.
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Male 7
I ca`t believe you dumbasses are debating whether or not the supernatural exists.
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Male 369
@everyone and @Angilion "Atheist does literally mean "without gods". Which is what you are if you don`t believe in any gods. The `a` in `atheist` is not short for `anti`. You know that - you`ve just said so yourself."

If you expect yourself to be taken seriously, atleast know what your talking about. A- means "without." -theist means "of religion" or "religious". It literally means without religion. Know what youre talking about.
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Male 371
Is it so wrong to believe in a god or greater being out there.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Regarding historical claims, obviously we can`t physically recreate the events of the past, which is why we instead look for corroborating evidence. For example, there are other records which mention the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as a living human being, so I am happy to accept that he really did exist. But there aren`t other records of the miracles, except in the Bible. [/quote]

What records are you referring to? If you`re talking about the usual ones (e.g. Josephus, Tacitus), they`re not quite as you describe. There are records of people stating that other people believed that there was in the past a man whom they refered to as "the anointed". There`s a possible reference in Tacitus to this man being executed by the Roman state, but it`s in the context of Tacitus relating what other people believed, so it`s unclear whether he was stating it as fact (i.e. he`d checked the records) or as other people`s belief.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@Angilion, I checked and my definition of atheist is correct and I am not an atheist. I am a nontheist. An atheist denies God. I neither deny nor accept God. Atheist originated from "without God". I am neither with nor without God. I was wrong about the definition of agnosticism. I am a strong agnostic. Check the wikipedia entries for both Atheist and Nontheist to see the difference.[/quote]

How about you check a reliable source instead?

Neither with nor without gods? How does that make any sense?

Atheist does literally mean "without gods". Which is what you are if you don`t believe in any gods. The `a` in `atheist` is not short for `anti`. You know that - you`ve just said so yourself.

I don`t give a damn if you want to change the definition of `atheist`, nor if someone else also wants to do so and puts their new definition on wikipedia. I don`t even care enough at the moment to check to see if that actually is what`
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Male 12,365
[quote]Actually, no, there wasn`t a significant amount of time between the occurrences in the Gospels and their records being written. It took longer to collate and organize the Bible as we know it, but the testimonies in the Gospels, Paul`s epistles, and the books of revelation were all written during the lives of the authors.[/quote]

How do you know that?

How do you know that when the new testament was released in 326 AD, the versions included in it were the same as the versions you say were written ~250 years earlier?

What was in the much larger body of Christian writings that were left out of the NT because they didn`t serve the purposes of the church in the 4th century? The other 9 gospels are the most obvious examples, but there were a multitude of them.
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Male 129
Actually, no, there wasn`t a significant amount of time between the occurrences in the Gospels and their records being written. It took longer to collate and organize the Bible as we know it, but the testimonies in the Gospels, Paul`s epistles, and the books of revelation were all written during the lives of the authors.
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Male 2,850
@acmoore92

"You don`t believe that a person`s word that they wrote as personal testimony counts as "real world observation"?"

I`m not extensively knowledgable on the scriptures by any measure, so I`m welcome to being corrected, but weren`t the new testament writings recorded many centuries after the events they describe?

That`s not first-hand testamony by any stretch.
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Male 1,010
Religion is doing what your told, no matter what is right.
Ethics is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. I choose the latter.
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Male 80
Now THAT`S an answer!

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
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Male 881
@SnapsForMe, DJDoubleb, and his invisible master, love you. Even though DJDoubleb knows nothing about you and has probably never met you. His love isn`t a passive aggressive way of trying to belittle the non-faithful, it`s a true love. Well, not the kind of love that comes from chemical reactions in the brain, but the kind of love that has lost all meaning since it is freely given to everyone. So it`s not the creepy kind of love where he wants to stick his tongue down your throat, its the wonderful kind of love where he wants to shove his religion up your ass.
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Male 273
aw snaps, the harder christians try the more they creep me out too.
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Female 217
DJDoubleb, we all see that you`re trying to make Christians come off as altruistic, amiable people and all that, but you`re crossing that line and it`s starting to get creepy.
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Male 273
good advice, but that doesn`t work all the time either.
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Male 382
God Bless you sssfdg. I`m so glad you`re happy today.
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Male 190
Wow that was great.... just so great.

It said everything I couldn`t find the words to say.
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Male 382
@mastrmind..

What a blessing you are. More enlightened I am.

The God I worship loves you!
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Male 102
@DJ

You shouldn`t imply such ownership of your god. He could get angry and spite you.
Try - I help people and so does the god I worship
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Male 382
Love ya steel. Have a great day. Hope it`s a blessed one.
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Male 2,700
"I love you all, as does my God... Who needs help?"

If you think that rape, faith testing through loss, creation of new diseaes, refusing to eliminate the Devil, is LOVE, then I dont need your god`s "LOVE".
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Male 382
I love you all, as does my God... Who needs help?
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Male 2,700
"I wouldn`t have a problem with atheists if it weren`t for all the pseudo-atheists out there. The ones who basically formed their own religion to bash Christians. I know you just want to be cool, but hey the satanists beat you too it and their music is much better than your hipster folk music."

That is because Christianity and its insane followers are the largest part of "In-your-face" religion. Its not really Christianity, it Jesus based religions in general. For all its "Holiness", I bet that Jesus based religions are responsible for more Murders, Wars, political prisioners, and RAPE. Hell it all started with rape. You think Mary consented? Yeah i dont either.

That is why Atheists pick on them, they are wrong by their own writings and yet STILL blindly follow a very evil god.

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Male 528
how i read religious arguements on IAB

1.look at size (if large egnore)
2.read witty quotes (if funny read on)
3.get bored and move on
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Male 881
@Angilion, I checked and my definition of atheist is correct and I am not an atheist. I am a nontheist. An atheist denies God. I neither deny nor accept God. Atheist originated from "without God". I am neither with nor without God. I was wrong about the definition of agnosticism. I am a strong agnostic. Check the wikipedia entries for both Atheist and Nontheist to see the difference.
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Female 269
Props to acmoore92 and almightybob1 for having a solid argument without lowering each other or themselves. That was actually a rather uplifting argument to read. Thank you.
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Male 86
Holy crap, you guys. I thought one of you wouldn`t walk out alive.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Haha yeah, the KJV says unicorn. Translation isn`t perfect.
Thanks for having an actual debate, friend. My faith in humanity is restored for the day.[/quote]
Yeah, I was told to always refer to the KJV because for some people (usually the Biblical literalists) it`s the only one they accept.
Thanks to you too, it`s been fun :)
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Male 129
9 “Will the wild ox consent to serve you,
Or will he spend the night at your manger?
10 “Can you bind the wild ox in a furrow with [a]ropes,
Or will he harrow the valleys after you?
11 “Will you trust him because his strength is great
And leave your labor to him?
12 “Will you have faith in him that he will return your [b]grain
And gather it from your threshing floor?

Haha yeah, the KJV says unicorn. Translation isn`t perfect.
Thanks for having an actual debate, friend. My faith in humanity is restored for the day.
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Male 4,290
I think we do have the resources to test and validate concepts. We do it in modern science all the time. Regarding historical claims, obviously we can`t physically recreate the events of the past, which is why we instead look for corroborating evidence. For example, there are other records which mention the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as a living human being, so I am happy to accept that he really did exist. But there aren`t other records of the miracles, except in the Bible.

Unfortunately, the "if you believe it it becomes clear" approach can be applied to any of the many mutually exclusive religions available to me. I`m sure if I put my faith in Christianity I would start to get it. But equally I could do that with Islam, or Sikhism, or the Norse gods.

I see no valid reason to pick any one of them as more true than the other, so until I do, I`m picking none of them.


And unicorns are Job 39:9-12 :)
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Male 129
And believe me, man, this is an argument I for many years took the opposite side on. I hear you loud and clear, and I understand what you`re saying. Personally, though, if one can apply a measure of faith into the validity of the Bible, as trite as it sounds, things begin to become clear. It`s a matter of perspective, and I can say firsthand that from where you stand it`s hard to see--I mean that with no intention to patronize, just relaying my experience.
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Male 129
Proof can only be applied as a valid concept when one has the available resources to test and validate a concept. As we don`t have the resources or perhaps yet the necessary knowledge to recreate or provide proof of occurrences, it`s not particularly fair to hold one level of standard to something to which it doesn`t apply. Side note: I don`t remember any mention of unicorns, but I`ll recheck for ya
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Male 4,290
[quote]Perhaps I read too far into your "You do know..." statement and applied a tone of sarcasm, and if so, I apologize.[/quote]
Ah, OK. Reading it back, I can see how you might think that.

I didn`t mean it like that, it just seemed like you might not actually know how peer review works, because it`s not just someone saying "I found a subatomic particle, honest!" and everyone else going "Oh OK, well done!". People really do check that stuff.

Apologies though if I seemed patronising, it`s just that in the past I`ve had plenty of people make a similar argument to the one I thought you were making, all the while not actually knowing what peer review really is.
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Male 4,290
The contents of physics and chemistry textbooks have been rigorously checked for accuracy.

In the very few areas in which the Bible CAN be checked for accuracy (Earth created in 6 days unless you redefine "day", global flood which left no geological evidence whatsoever, unicorns exist despite no corroborating evidence), it has been shown to be incorrect. And the rest is unfalsifiable.
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Male 129
Perhaps I read too far into your "You do know..." statement and applied a tone of sarcasm, and if so, I apologize.
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Male 129
If I wanted to teach physics, I`d use a physics textbook. If you wanted to learn how to figure chemistry, I`d use a corresponding text. The text that legitimizes Christianity is the Bible, and that`s what I`m going on. Agreed, it`s extraordinary, but it`s only so to prove that the substance of the Book and of God is beyond the capacity of humans; really, only the works of Christ in the Gospels is extraordinary. The rest of the Bible consists of prophesy and its realization, man`s place in life, and how to treat one another.
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Male 4,290
Where did I use an ad hominem argument?
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Male 4,290
My analogy was intended to point out how flawed your logic was.
An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, not less evidence than an ordinary claim.

The miracles of the Bible are recorded in the Bible. That`s it.
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Male 129
@almightybob, the ad hominem argument of trying to make me look like a fool is particularly offensive as I`m not in the slightest trying to claim that you are in any way incorrect; in fact, I agree with everything you said. This is a worthwhile debate, I think, but I feel that I`m due the courtesy of consideration, especially from someone chosen to maintain order on this, our most favorite website.
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Male 4,290
[quote]One man putting on the historical record that a Man revived others from death and fed thousands with scraps is no different than a scientist proclaiming the discovery of subatomic particles or a new theory of origination; neither can be substantially proven to everyone, and even then the proofs rely entirely on the faith-based basis that such a discovery was reliably observed.[/quote]
You are aware that, during the peer review process, people actually DO check the data to see if a subatomic particle was reliably observed? That`s the whole point - other people look at the data and see if the conclusions are valid, and if they`re not the paper will be rejected.

Science is testable. `Miracles` are not. That`s the difference.
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Male 129
And I`m sure if you can convince others that such a thing happened to you and you witness it, yes, that claim could stand under "my logic", and I agree with you. However, that same logic is used and Christianity is bolstered and confirmed many times over with other historical documents, testimonies, and occurrences beyond something possible by the hands of Man. I feel as if those I`m arguing with are taking the stance analogous to finding out the `trick` behind a magic trick and calling it a phony, without considering that this particular trick has a historical backing of legitimacy, and I can`t see the reasoning behind that.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Granted, several of the things they witnessed cannot be duplicated, but that`s due to the nature of the acts performed; they were beyond human capability. However, that fact doesn`t invalidate them or lessen their weight; to the contrary, it does in fact prove that their observations stand on their own.[/quote]
I just watched the Flying Spaghetti Monster appear in my living room, summon into being twenty dancing meatballs which sang the first 3 verses of Jeff Buckley`s Hallelujah at me, and then disappeared.

I have no way of proving it, or duplicating the effect. Luckily, according to your logic, this only makes my claim more likely to be true.

You should probably say rAmen right about now.
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Male 129
For the record, I`m neither trying to flame or attempting to refute science as legitimate; I`m only trying to bring about a reconciliation between things that are patently and reliably recorded and what I believe is the ultimate source of such knowledge. All I ask is that my two cents not be invalidated simply because I`m a Christian.
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Male 4,290
[quote]We only support science (loosely used to represent all discovered knowledge) because we have faith that our methods of discovery are in fact reliable and faultless; regardless, it`s a matter of faith that what we "know" is actually true. QED, science is in itself a faith-based belief.[/quote]
Patently untrue. Scientists can, and do, test that their methods are reliable all the time. From simple instrument calibration to peer review of studies. We are constantly checking and rechecking that the scientific method is working. And it is.

[quote]Or how about the fact that 97% of those physicists you point to for your views on religion believe in God? [/quote]
Firstly, their personal faith is irrelevant to the discoveries they make using science, which is secular in its methods.
Secondly, you`re wrong. The overwhelming majority of scientists, in every field, are atheists. There are theist scientists, but they are in the massive minority.
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Male 129
You don`t believe that a person`s word that they wrote as personal testimony counts as "real world observation"? Granted, several of the things they witnessed cannot be duplicated, but that`s due to the nature of the acts performed; they were beyond human capability. However, that fact doesn`t invalidate them or lessen their weight; to the contrary, it does in fact prove that their observations stand on their own. One man putting on the historical record that a Man revived others from death and fed thousands with scraps is no different than a scientist proclaiming the discovery of subatomic particles or a new theory of origination; neither can be substantially proven to everyone, and even then the proofs rely entirely on the faith-based basis that such a discovery was reliably observed.
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Male 1,360
good
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Male 2,850
@acmoore92

Testamony =/= evidence in the scientific sense.

The whole point of the scientific method is that the evidence stands on its own, regardless of the identity of the person advocating it.

The claims made in ancient holy books have to stand in their own right, and not be bolstered by who said it, when they said it, and how important others felt it was to preserve it.

And in no imperical test (meaning, supported from real world observation), are the statements supported.
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Male 129
And we have testimony that supports the existence of such design, we just choose to dismiss it as mythic or outdated or any other number of things that discredit it. That`s not a lack of evidence, that`s an ignorance of it.
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Male 129
We only support science (loosely used to represent all discovered knowledge) because we have faith that our methods of discovery are in fact reliable and faultless; regardless, it`s a matter of faith that what we "know" is actually true. QED, science is in itself a faith-based belief.
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Male 2,850
@acmoore92

"Why can`t anybody reconcile with the possibility that discoverable knowledge came about by design?"

Because there`s no evidence that supports that hypothesis (better than any other hypothesis).

And to believe in something to be true without evidence to support it is a symptom of an uneducated mind.
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Male 129
Since when does being a Christian mean that you reject education?? Why can`t anybody reconcile with the possibility that discoverable knowledge came about by design? Seriously, I don`t see how religion and science are mutually exclusive.
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Male 2,850
@Buck176

"Why is it atheists say "belief in God = uneducated" when they put blind faith in science?"

Science is a process if critical thinking and testing, not a body of knowledge.

So if what you`re trying to say is that atheists put their faith in using their brains, then yes you are correct.
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Male 379
Why is it atheists say "belief in God = uneducated" when they put blind faith in science? Do you guys understand what all the physicists you like to quote? Have you seen the results they have? Could you identify the stuff they talk about? Why is it they say "I saw this particle that popped into existence for a billionth of a second then disappeared!" you believe them, but you have such a problem with someone saying "I talked to God"? Or how about the fact that 97% of those physicists you point to for your views on religion believe in God?
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Female 737
GrumpDock says: "it seems hard to believe that something as important (for lack of a better word) to humans, from 10s of thousands of years ago (perhaps even since the modern man) as religion has, or will have been permanently diminished in "popularity" in such a short amount of time (for example comparing the amount of atheists today from 100 years ago)."

Reply from me:

Humans didn`t have the resources in the past to understand the world as we do now.
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Male 12,138
Dimmu, if you are who I think you are, and if you`re referring to me when you mention personal names, I will end you.
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Female 737
Guys, guys, calm down. My parents are very religious and forced me to go to Temple for 15 years- And I still became an Atheist. If anything, their ignorance on how things are made me find out on my own. People will be Atheists in their own way, regardless of their Parents. If you believe in God, you`re going to believe, simple as that. Some people NEED to think someones backstage, running the show.
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Male 4,902
tl;dr
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Male 542
What a pretentious dick. Same would go towards an overly religious response.
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Female 7,838
One point I will pick up on Angilion- I doubt you can choose belief, I suspect your parents choose it for you and after that you must find evidence to back it up. It is always hard to argue with americans as their culture of rabid christianity is far removed from ours, I am never sure how many have the experience of the sort we tend to over here. I get pause occasionally when I realise that some of their churches crop up here ( New Life?) and do gain followers- which I HATE!!!
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Male 197
@bianchi

Religion is stupid, so why not criticize it?
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Male 589
God created Atheism.
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Female 606
See, this is why I don`t want to open links about atheism/theism. I just get upset bec 99% of the time, the links are anti-religion. I am open-minded, but some posts are really offensive. Is this supposed to cure my boredom? Uh, I`ll pass. This will be the last anti-religious link on here that I`ll open.
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Male 12,365
[quote][..] lets just stop whining and work together, but apparently that`s not possible because we can`t accept others who disagree with us, it`s a natural instinct to protect our own groups. Religion teaches us to do the opposite, to all get along, not to kill, cheat, steal, etc.[/quote]

You must be aware that statement doesn`t match up with reality. The main teaching of religion is obedience and it frequently teaches and requires violent oppression of those who disagree.
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Male 12,365
[quote]The definition for atheism, as I know it, is the active disbelief in a God or Gods.[/quote]

There`s the problem. You`re using an incorrect definition of `atheist`.

Your post was clear, but you had incorrect definitions for both atheism and agnosticism.

[quote]A theist can misinterpret something as a sign, and thus proof, of God. An atheist can never claim any evidence of the nonexistence of God. So a theist can have a deluded belief, but an atheist has no excuse for their beliefs.[/quote]

An atheist who does actively disbelieve in the existence of any gods can interpret something as a sign of the non-existence of any gods, so it works that way too.

Besides, nobody asks for proof of the non-existence of, for example, Luke Skywalker when someone says that Star Wars is fiction. Lack of evidence of existence is treated as enough.
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Male 15,510
That was Epic
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Male 881
drat, that was just a wall of words. Let me sum up by saying an atheist denies God, a theist believes in God, and neither of those describe me.
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Male 881
@Angilion, then I didn`t make myself clear. I am not a theist nor am I an atheist. I don`t give a poo. I don`t play the game. I`m not choosing a side.

I will concede that I am an agnostic since I thought it had a different definition. The closest definition I`ve come across is non-theist. I am open to the existence of God as much as I am open to God`s nonexistence.

The definition for atheism, as I know it, is the active disbelief in a God or Gods. I do not actively disbelieve. I actively disbelieve in the God of the Desert, but not in the possibility of a God. I think true Atheists have less to base their beliefs on than theists. A theist can misinterpret something as a sign, and thus proof, of God. An atheist can never claim any evidence of the nonexistence of God. So a theist can have a deluded belief, but an atheist has no excuse for their beliefs.
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Male 2,988
well put almightybob1
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Male 68
DShephard,

Pat Robertson disagrees that we can all just get along...

http://www.i-am-bored.com /bored_link.cfm?link_id=61272

Religion does not say that we can all just love each other.
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Male 2,988
"why is this listed under "funny?" "

poor thing doesn`t get it... so sad.
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Male 646
Wow. Talk about arrogant, bigoted garbage. This is as bad as Pat Robertson and the other fundies.
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Male 80
why is this listed under "funny?"
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Male 93
best way is to force them to read atheism books and threads. Just like kids who are forced to go to church don`t believe in God so being inundated with atheism will make them lose interest.
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Male 266
All i see is theists telling us that why can`t we all just get along, when they most likely believe that us rational people will end up in hell.
And sorry, but what the atheist listed there, saving the part about grammar, is exactly the way parents indoctrinate their kids, including myself when i was young.
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Male 1,595
*lets all agree to live being good citizens and work together being kind to others for a better future.
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Male 1,595
The fact that most atheists think all religions are the same load of crap that spreads hate against those different from those who practice it is why they are some of the most hated people in the world by others.

Instead of blaming the other party for screwing the world up, lets just stop whining and work together, but apparently that`s not possible because we can`t accept others who disagree with us, it`s a natural instinct to protect our own groups. Religion teaches us to do the opposite, to all get along, not to kill, cheat, steal, etc.

All atheists I know agree with that, yet everyone discriminate everyone else on their ideas how these rules (which may I call Commandments) came into existence, where that be `A man leading slaves out of captivity on a mountain carved rules given to him by a formless voice into stone` or given by a Giant bipedal elephant with 30-something arms.

Basing political views on these differences are useless, lets all agree to liv
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Male 199
You forgot about "anti-theist", like the guy in the screen shot.
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Male 1,013
Thank goodness for the midget that really does live by the forest for keeping religion from overtaking our public schools! hmmm, now I want a gormet olive garden meal!
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Male 483
How can Christians play the victim card? They`re the majority in our country, a country where christian leaders have slipped "under God" into numerous American sayings and commonly state that the United States is a "Christian Nation". When I was in high school, I was sent to the principal`s office for not saying "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (something that has always been a bit creepy to me anyway). I still refused to say it even after receiving weeks of detention for it. Do NOT give me that bullpoo that we mean ole` atheists/agnostics are picking on you poor poor Christians. I have been treated like poo numerous times for believing differently, and never once have I picked on a Christian for believing. I`m usually much more composed on this subject, but I`ve had enough with the Christians here pretending they`re the oppressed and strong followers of God, when all God has brought for me and many other nonbelievers was hate from his fanclub.
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Male 4,290
Gnosticism and agnosticism are to do with what you know. Theism and atheism are to do with what you believe.

Agnosticism is not a "middle ground" between theism and atheism, in the same way that yellow is not the middle ground between up and down. They`re completely separate categories.

If you believe in a god or gods, and claim to know he/she/it/they are real, you are a gnostic theist.
If you don`t know if the god(s) are real, but believe anyway, you`re an agnostic theist.
If you don`t know if the god(s) are real, but don`t believe, you are an agnostic atheist.
If you don`t believe in a god or gods, and claim to know they`re not real, you`re a gnostic atheist.

I am an agnostic atheist, as is every atheist I know.
Every theist I know is a gnostic theist.
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Male 599
Gee I have to agree with Angilion. That is the most contradictory statement
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Male 12,365
[quote]I never said I was an Atheist. I am not Agnostic either. I am a non-theist. I don`t believe in God, nor do I disbelieve. I don`t care if there is a God. If God exists and wants my belief, I`m sure He/She/It will make it clear.[/quote]

That doesn`t make any sense. You say you`re not an atheist or an agnostic and then state your views, which are explicitly atheist and agnostic. You even describe yourself as a non-theist, which is exactly what atheism means (literally, "without gods").
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Male 12,365
[quote]Everyone tries not to be racist, sexist, ageist, and yet so many people don`t realize or care that they stereotype Christianity.[/quote]

There is a huge difference between judging someone on an irrelevant biological characteristic and judging someone on a set of ideas that they choose to believe in and which have results that are very relevant to everything.

Nice try at playing the victim card, but you`re talking poo.
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Male 12,365
[quote]This topic always worries me. I don`t know if I`m an agnostic or an atheist anymore.[/quote]

You can be both.

I can`t objectively prove the existence or non-existence of any god or gods, so I don`t claim either to be objective truth (agnosticism).

I don`t believe in the existence of any gods (atheism) because I tend not to assume things are true without any evidence to support them.

Put simply: I don`t know, so I don`t believe.

[quote]I was always much closer to the existential side of things, so agnosticism fit the bill, but religious people have caused my beliefs to sway. I`ve never been affronted by an atheist, but many Christians have approached me and told me I would burn if I didn`t believe like them.[/quote]

Why does *their* behaviour sway *your* beliefs? Your beliefs are about you, not them. Do you think that if god(s) existed they wouldn`t allow those people to be such scum?
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Male 21
Everyone tries not to be racist, sexist, ageist, and yet so many people don`t realize or care that they stereotype Christianity.

Not all churches and denominations are the same. I`ve been a practicing Christian for 18 years, and yet I`m not a closed-minded, order-following hater. I`m so tired of this awful stereotype.
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Male 3,631
teq78, how much effort does it take for you to dismiss the efforts of those who`ve failed to meet your criterion of laziness?

After two separate instances within the span of just under 20 minutes, are you sure you`re still in a position to condemn?
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Male 3,482
And yes, I am hating on you. For two reasons:

A) You`re an idiot, and

B) I am a naturally caustic individual, and today I feel particularly full of vitriol.

Don`t take it personally. I think of quite a few people with similar contempt. Crakrjak, for example.
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Male 3,482
@ Dimmu

You should try to organize your thoughts so you don`t contradict yourself, dumbass.

You said, and I quote:

[quote]See Christians don`t keep an account of all the bad atheists so when we run into one we can spout off stats.[/quote](sic)
"...when we run into one we can spout of stats."
"...when we run... we can spout..."
"...we... we..."

But then you contradict yourself by saying

[quote]If i were Christian, my name probably wouldn`t be Dimmu Borgir.[/quote]

Come back when YOU understand what you`re thinking.

Because we sure as hell don`t.

(I think they have classes that teach you how to form coherent thoughts...)
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Male 216
too much effort to make a point
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Male 128
Bravo
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Male 86
This topic always worries me. I don`t know if I`m an agnostic or an atheist anymore. I was always much closer to the existential side of things, so agnosticism fit the bill, but religious people have caused my beliefs to sway. I`ve never been affronted by an atheist, but many Christians have approached me and told me I would burn if I didn`t believe like them. So that would definitely be why this particular atheist is more prone to be on any side other than Christianity. It`s quite a shame, really. I was raised Christian, and I always liked Christ`s teachings. But like Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
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Male 1,266
To be honest, I agree with the guys response (although it is a little over the top it`s justified in being so). May as well ask "How do I bring my child up to be a nazi/ think he`s the next Jesus/ be afraid of going outside." Just becasue you believe something it is no reason to force your child to believe it.
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Male 5,608
[quote] I questioned why you attack Christians above all other religions [/quote]
Most other religions don`t affect me directly.
Has anyone even seen the Hare Krishna`s lately?

A few days ago, my very rare peace was disrupted
by a young man selling pro-Christian lit.
When I declined, disclosing my atheism only after being asked directly, we moved into a lengthy discussion in which he disclosed his belief that the world was only a little over 6000 years old.

Code: "That`s what you believe? The world is 6000 years old?"
Guy: "Yes."
Code: "You live in the age of information. How can that be? Not 6 months ago, a JPL scientist disclosed finding fossilized single-celled organisms in a meteor sample that had no nitrogen in it."
Guy: "What does that mean?"
Code: ;-/ "Hmm..."
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Male 511
Dimmu, you give both atheists and metalheads a bad name.
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Male 17,512
So the `Best` answer got 2 votes. Sorry but that was pretty damn lame.
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Female 7,838
Well Dimmu- liking a decent band should not disbar you from being religious, and yes, I can agree that being rude to people merely because of their beliefs is uncalled for. However- I hope that people can learn to distinguish belief from ignorance and call out the ignorant bigots...but as I said before- we really do not have any visible islamic fundamentalists or those of any religion other than christianity on here- so unfortunately they get it in the neck. But for the record- I dislike nastiness- and I really do not care in whose name it is in!!!
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Male 10,440
[quote]If i were Christian, my name probably wouldn`t be Dimmu Borgir [/quote]
Why would that matter?

[quote] your hate on me [/quote]
No hate from me

[quote] I questioned why you attack Christians above all other religions [/quote]
We ought to attack other religions, yes, but christianity affects us the most, IMO.

[quote] staying afloat in this argument [/quote]
This isn`t an argument, I`m just replying in a friendly fashion.

[quote]piss me off[/quote]
You were talking about hate?

... I think you need to calm down.
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Male 63
It`s atheist like David M that give all the others bad names.

you can hear the arrogance and egotism dripping off his answer when you read it.

Like i was saying, my girl who is an atheist doesn`t do that to anyone. She doesn`t get in your face and tell you how wrong you are because you don`t believe like her. And really I tend not to also. It just really gets under my skin when these bastards think they`re soooo much better than everyone else cause they`re atheist. And you complain that Christians act like they`re better because they have faith.
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Male 881
@Dimmu_Borgir, you read a lot into what people say. I never said I was an Atheist. I am not Agnostic either. I am a non-theist. I don`t believe in God, nor do I disbelieve. I don`t care if there is a God. If God exists and wants my belief, I`m sure He/She/It will make it clear.

What I know for a fact does not exist is the God of the Desert as described in the Bible. That`s an easy one. Anyone over the age of eight should have figured that one out.
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Female 1,101
@Dimmu_Borgir Uh ... what does you "banging" an atheist have to do with your assertion that atheism is a fad? ... and who exactly is projecting their hate on you?

(backs away slowly from the message board)
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Female 412
David M has written a description of an atheist to a T.
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Male 63
@ atheist since i seem to be talking to all of you.

If i were Christian, my name probably wouldn`t be Dimmu Borgir. So you projected your hate on me because I questioned why you attack Christians above all other religions.

And questioning my punctuation?? you`re just barely staying afloat in this argument.

And specifically madduck since she`s being civil. I`m actually dating an atheist and we just don`t talk about religion since we just like banging each other. So I don`t have a problem with the real atheists out there.

it`s the fake internet atheists that piss me off
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Male 10,440
Maybe next time, you`ll be a little more creative in your posts, hmm?
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Male 808
My cats breath smells like cat food-still!!!
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Male 10,440
[quote] You do realize you just showed that your form of atheism is nothing more than anti-christian.[/quote]
If this is a question, it`s invalid.
[quote] See there are a lot more religions than just Christianity. [/quote]
Agreed, obviously.
[quote] you actually revealed that you just hate Christians [/quote]
Nope. I don`t hate christians. I have many christian friends.
[quote] compared to a kid dying his hair cause `daddy doesn`t like it.` [/quote]
My parents are atheists.
[quote] you would have said something about all religions and not just Christianity [/quote]
I assumed you were a christian.
[quote] get in a flash mob [/quote]
What good would that do?
[quote] or vote for change [/quote]
I live in a place where I don`t need to do that. My rights aren`t being violated in the slightest.
[quote] feel like there`s something bigger out there [/quote]
There isn`t anything bigger out there.
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Male 625
I LOVE bacon. :-D
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Female 7,838
I know many educated interesting Christians, and Moslems- none of whom has any issue with atheism, or homo-sexuality. They all accept evolution as a given. Most of them when asked will say that they find creationists, gay bashers etc rather scary and wonder why such people have made their religion a laughing stock. You do not have to defend your belief in God, but you may be asked to defend other more unusual and odd beliefs. However, if sensible people stood up against the rubbish that a very small number of the religious fanatics believe then I am quite sure they would all go away..
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Female 1,101
@Grumpdock & Dimmu_Borgir

Your right atheism has become more "popular", but I wouldn`t attribute it to a mob mentality "fad". In fact I would say it`s just the opposite. With the rise of democracy people can now chose not to be affiliated with religion and can even speak out against the popular doctrines if they so desire without being punished or stigmatized. I would also attribute it to all the wonderful technology out there today, which means we no longer need tired stories from religious texts to tell us how the world came to be.
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Male 552
To keep your child from being religious:
Don`t let him/her think for themselves, demand they believe every scientific view or theory and anything unexplained is to be left to science to solve at a later time, and should not be looked at from an "outside-the-box" viewpoint. Forbid them from trying to see a higher cause in our lives, let them know that once they die it`s all over, everything they attempt to accomplish in this life will be meaninglessly shadowed by the eternity of non-existence they face. Convince them that other faithful people are mentally handicapped, and the only reason they should communicate with any such people is in attempt to shatter their faith, whatever that may be. Basically, teach them to be a christian, but replace the words God and Jesus with science and logic. Whatever that means.
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Female 728
@Dimmu_Borgir: Most atheists are most opposed to fundamentalists. Christian fundamentalism is a big problem in the US. There are other forms of fundamentalism in other places, but a large number of us on iab are from the US, so we are mostly exposed to Christian fundamentalism. That said, I think that the ways of thinking encouraged by all religions (us vs. them, faith instead of reason) are extremely detrimental to the scientific and moral progression of our society, so, while I`m generally not opposed to people having faith in something, I am leery when religious people make up the majority of a population, as is the case in the US.
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Female 7,838
Of course there have been bad atheists- why would there not be- I doubt stalin was a religious man and he was pretty foul.You miss the point- there is nothing wrong with believing in God-- I do not, but I defend your right to believe in any god you wish. what you do not have the right to do is force that belief on anyone else or harm anyone due to that belief. Just as I have no right inflict my lack of belief on you. But being anti gay or the rest of that has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with ignorance... to
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Male 63
@ madduck

so let me ask you this, has there ever been a single bad person in the whole history of Atheism??
Which, as we learned earlier from nottaspy,is older than 10x however old God is.

You guys certainly know all the bad Christians out there, just curious if there were ANY bad atheists. See Christians don`t keep an account of all the bad atheists so when we run into one we can spout off stats.
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Male 3,472
Drat, Pooh, Drat, Pooh, Drat, Pooh...
(I have turrets syndrome on i-am-bored)
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Male 63
grumpdock knows what i`m talking about
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Female 7,838
Actually, thenk you, I am an atheist and I have no problem with any religion or belief system unless it causes harm. Most believers are decent people who do their very best to live in a mindful way. It is the nut jobs I hate- you have a lot over in the USA of christians ( anti-gay, creationist etc)who fit this bill. In other countries fundamental Islam fills the bill- but we have few on here who rant about allah wanting to kill gays and hurt women. I think most atheist on here would agree- it is not christian to believe god made the Earth and that he hates Gays- it is ignorant- there is a difference.
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I am a southern baptist christian. We don't believe that God hates gays. It says in the Bible that gays are wrong. But we know for a fact that God did create the Earth.
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Male 63
@ notta

then wouldn`t you be agnostic?

and yes my first post didn`t have the detail my later posts went into.

facebook, flashmobs, hope and change, atheist, global warming. Fad, Fad, Fad, Fad, Fad
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Male 317
It does seem athiesm is the "standard" nowadays (in western countries)...now I wouldn`t call it a "fad", but it seems hard to believe that something as important (for lack of a better word) to humans, from 10s of thousands of years ago (perhaps even since the modern man) as religion has, or will have been permanently diminished in "popularity" in such a short amount of time (for example comparing the amount of atheists today from 100 years ago).
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Male 881
post was cut off. I do not know if God exists, and neither do you.
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Male 25,416
wow.... talk about goin to far
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Male 881
@Dimmu_Borgir, you said, "Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook."
But then you claimed, "My point was that saying your religion is atheism on Facebook is a fad, much like the once popular digital pet."

You did not limit your first statement to Facebook Atheism. You made a blanket statement about Atheism and cited Facebook as proof. That is very different from saying that Atheism on Facebook is a fad.

Your question of who created Atheism assumes that it was created. Atheism cannot be created. Lets put it this way, there will be a new product for sale in the future. Who created not buying that product? Because both you and I have not bought it.

You were once an Atheist since every child is an Atheist before they are taught about God, just as all animals are Atheists, as well as 100% of every human that existed before the idea of God.

BTW, I never said there was no God. I do no
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Male 86
And for what its worth, I totally understand why people are Atheist and hate religion/dislike people, well, like me I guess) who are religious/adhere to a set of beliefs in connection to a deity.

Religion, in general, makes me sick too :P
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Male 63
@ McGovern

Exactly my point!!!

Atheist simply are anti-Christians. They never complain about islam or buddhisnm, they only ever care about Christians.
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Male 14,330
Ok atheists Cristians are beating a dead horse change it up get on Islam and Judaism for a bit a whole new set of flaws to point out!!!!
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Male 63
@NottaSpy

so if people didn`t create atheism...who did???

either way you`re wrong. wrong in this argument or wrong in your belief that there is no God.

and i`m still not certain what you are missing.

Kids think it`s cool to say they are atheists.

that easier for your critical thinking mind to understand??
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Male 881
[quote]Actually, people created Atheism. [/quote]
Once again, a profound misunderstanding of Atheism. You cannot create a non-belief.

@Dimmu_Borgir, that is not what you said. Your latest post shows a disturbing twist of logic. If you can`t even understand your own posts, how are we supposed to?
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Male 86
@ EgalM

A Jehovah`s Witness here and I would like to clarify your statement and perhaps shed a lil light on the subject in general.

The only literature we are instructed not to read is Apostate stuff (Witnesses that have denounced the faith and publish anti-Witness stuff).

Otherwise, what we read as far as other teachings is left up to us. It`s not exactly encouraged, but definitely not prohibited. In fact, we ARE encouraged to follow the Bibles 1 John 4:1 "Test the inspired expression." Also 1st Thessalonians 5:21 "Make sure of all things."

It`s good to know what other people think and what other people believe. I know I have looked into other religions/teachings (Hindu/Baptist/Catholic, ect) among others).

This is coming from an active member of the religion, who does all of the door knocking/church services that he can... and who also frequents IAB and enjoys reading the flame wars on religion specifically :D

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Male 2,159
@crudson - Actually, people created Atheism. People created all religion. Probably to answer difficult questions about the world around them.

@EgalM - While it may well be true that Jersey Shore characters/fans are Athiests (although surely having been raised and educated in the still-deeply-Christian USA, that would require them to think for themselves, which I seriously doubt they can physically do), it`s certainly not true that all non-religious people are just like them.
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Male 2
*Fact* Nazi`s only read books approved by the Party. And burned everything else. And killed millons of people. And a majority of them tried to get away with these things by saying "I was following orders"
Find your own moral compass and stick to it. If religion helps do you that great! but don`t be a sheep because then you`re part of the problem.
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Male 63
where am I wrong?

while there is partial flame-bait in there. My point was that saying your religion is atheism on Facebook is a fad, much like the once popular digital pet. Not that Atheism is something new.
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Male 63
I wouldn`t have a problem with atheists if it weren`t for all the pseudo-atheists out there. The ones who basically formed their own religion to bash Christians. I know you just want to be cool, but hey the satanists beat you too it and their music is much better than your hipster folk music.
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Male 976
"Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook."

You sir, trolling or not, have just made one of the most incorrect statements that anyone has ever made. Congratulations.
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Male 589
God created Atheism.
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Um... no he didn't. God created the universe, and everything in it. He gave us free will, and man created atheism. I hate when ppl go around blaming God for everything just to defend themselves.
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Male 1,737
Gonna have to say, that sounds a lot like evolutionists and atheists, as much as it does religious people.

Jersey Shore Lovers = Atheists. Yep so much smarter than God Fearing Folk, who kinda have to know how to read in order to read the bible. Which despite this dipsh*ts clever response, is normally highly pushed on religious children.

*Fact* Jehovah Witnesses are the only group that flat out refuses to read material outside what their elder counsel approves.
*side not to that fact* This is only amongst Christian Religions.
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Male 230
My invisible make believe friend can beat up your invisible make believe friend.
So there!
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Male 2,670
Good answer, David M! Because nothing dismantles religious dogma like critical thinking.

That`s why religious nutjobs hate it so.
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Male 274
[quote]"Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook."[/quote]

"Interesting since Atheism is older than God."

@NottaSpy thats a strong par, made me let out a heartily laugh
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Male 37,897

I`m just kickin` back with my popcorn watching the the flame war.

munch munch munch
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Male 2,513
Religion is a lie.

*dons flame suit*
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Male 182
Religion found is much better then religion forced. -Me
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Male 881
[quote]Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook.[/quote]
Interesting since Atheism is older than God.
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Male 319
@Webz. Couldn`t have said it better myself, and I couldn`t agree more.
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Male 63
@ LazyMe484

You do realize you just showed that your form of atheism is nothing more than anti-christian. See there are a lot more religions than just Christianity. But by you showing how smart you are with your original comeback you actually revealed that you just hate Christians. And, your entire belief system could be compared to a kid dying his hair cause `daddy doesn`t like it.` If you were a real atheist then you would have said something about all religions and not just Christianity. So why don`t you go do something completely original like get in a flash mob or vote for change or whatever it is you atheists get into to make yourself feel like there`s something bigger out there...almost like a religion.
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Male 1,623
"Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook."

If it was a fad it would not be wrong because of it.
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Female 1,435
only 4 ppl rated it? hm
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Male 10,440
Christianity is like tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, and people move on, just ask the internet.

... it just took 2000 years is all. Too slow IMO.
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Male 2,700
Done and done...
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Male 63
Atheism is the new tamagotchi.

sorry but a fad is a fad, just ask facebook.
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Male 354
that was great.
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Female 302
Right click, save forever.
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Male 723
Well said!

8-) LJ
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Male 1,678
The first sentence was enough.
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Male 1,231
Ha ha ha love it! Let the religious flame wars begin!
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Male 1,582
/clap Bravo my good man.. magnificent!
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Male 1,122
Fail: This could have been handled by one line.

Don`t worry, he won`t be punished.
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Female 430
Link: Yahoo Answers!: Your Kid And Atheism [Pic] [Rate Link] - What is the best way to stop your child becoming an atheist?
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