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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Link: Marriage According To The Bible - All that and they still can`t accept gay marriage?
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Huh, sure was fun being a man .__.;
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    I-See-U Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:59 am
    well... if it`s written in a book called the bible, then it has to be true.

    Ugh....must obey pieces of paper.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:01 am
    well, since the bible is made up fact, and men used to abuse women if they didnt do what they said, right the way up until the late 1960`s.... i dont see the point of this thread.
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:02 am
    I tend to not comment on the "religion" or "bible" posts, this is no different.



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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:05 am
    I think the most disturbing one on here (in my opinion) is that a woman/girl must marry her rapist...That`s just awful.
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    krisley Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Tubby, you win for subtly accusing Christian`s belief that the Bible is the word of God to be circular logic.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:27 am
    Point being, though, that clearly there`s no homosexual marriages in there, so, THAT`S why gays can`t marry according to Bible adherents. This little graphic just makes clear what the Bible *does* condone in marriage And take note, defenders, there`s plenty of New Testament BS in there, so don`t start this new covenant from Jesus crud.
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    Hightech90 Male 18-29
    72 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 11:32 am
    Oh silly people on this site. The Bible was written by men so of course there are going to be biases. Not to mention the times/culture were different so you have to take those into account as well. I like how the Bible is bashed so much on this site when you have so many other bad/stupid things written in other texts that are way way worse. Since so many on this site talk about how intelligent and what logical thinkers they are I expected more maturity and thought to be used in comments here, but like I said, its religion and all of it goes out the window i guess. As a christian I accept that there are gays and that they are sinning just like anyone else including myself. I personally don`t hate gay people, but don`t expect me to hang out with them. I think that they should be allowed to marry in this country as I don`t think the government should be allowed to say who should be married and who shouldn`t be. Marriage should be between you, your partner(s) and your religion.
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    scotimann Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:38 am
    In every religion that features a main written document, people split up into groups based on how they interpret that document. It`s human nature. The only possible solution is for absolutely everyone to be completely illiterate. End of discussion.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:39 am
    "Marriage should be between you, your partner(s) and your religion. "

    The most refreshing statement to ever come from a Christian`s mouth. This made me sad though

    "I personally don`t hate gay people, but don`t expect me to hang out with them"

    You`re missing out on a lot of terribly nice people.
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    ZsaZsaGoar Female 18-29
    144 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 11:40 am
    @tedgp people still use the bible to justify abuse
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 11:42 am
    I almost never comment on anything on this website because there`s no point, but on this I will. All of these come from the Old Testament of the Bible. The New Testament of the Bible came with the birth of Jesus Christ, who changed the `old ways`. His new command was to "love one another as you love yourself," and that was it. No more marrying your rapist, or polygamy etc.

    Just another poor attempt to bash the Bible by quoting it out of context.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:43 am
    I like how the Bible is bashed so much on this site when you have so many other bad/stupid things written in other texts that are way way worse.
    Well, the other "worse" things aren`t trying to use their morals to influence public opinion and pass laws that oppress large groups of people.
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    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
    95 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 11:44 am
    Just because people did it in the Bible doesn`t mean it`s okay. Who knows if the Bible wasn`t changed and/or corrupted over the years it was in the hands of the Catholic church? King David sent a man to his death in the Bible too, but that doesn`t make abortion okay.
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:47 am
    Before this gets too out of hand, I refer you all to this.
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    DeathToLems Female 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:52 am
    face double palm. that`s what this has come to! you made me use two hands!!!
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    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:53 am
    I also love how everybody groups all Christians into one entity, and assumes all Christians have the same beliefs. I`m LDS, and I happen to believe that the Bible was corrupted after Jesus and his Apostles were all killed. Ever wonder why there are no more prophets or apostles on the earth, even though there were tons throughout the Bible? Ever wonder why the Bible often contradicts itself? Just because the Bible is God`s word doesn`t mean greedy priests can`t change it if they want it to better suit their interests. Last time I checked, God pretty much lets us do whatever we want, no matter how heinous the crime.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 11:57 am
    The bible is a great book- really interesting, quite funny in places and really well worth reading. However- if you try and take it any further than that and obey its numerous and contradictory instructions you will come unstuck...same as many old books really.
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    deathcab4aj Female 30-39
    167 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    All this stuff is old testament, more jewish than christian actually. When Jesus comes along in the new testament he changed a lot of the rules which is why christians are not jews, they favor the new testament over the old.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    Tjl311:

    Matthew 5:17-19. Stated as being a direct quote from Jesus by someone who was right there at the time (Luke).

    Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets - I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil; for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass. Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands--the least--and may teach men so, least he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.

    That`s new testament, obviously.

    You like a happy happy version of your bible, with all the nasty bits ignored. That`s nice and it gives you a theological excuse not to be an evil bigot, but you`re wrong to say that people who quote the actual bible are making a poor attempt to bash it.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    Ok IAB we get it!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    I think the most disturbing one on here (in my opinion) is that a woman/girl must marry her rapist...That`s just awful.

    Try reading several translations of the entire chapter. It`s more complicated than that and it`s not even clear that it refers to rape, but the two verses referred to were supposed to be about the man paying compensation to the woman. They`re not about what the woman must do. They`re about what the man must do.
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    @coolhandluke

    so what you`re saying is that its ok to pick and choose what you believe in from the bible; thank you for clearing that up.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    Oops, got my apostles mixed up there. Matthew and Luke both contain verses about Jesus saying that old testament law is binding on Christians too.
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    well i guess I`m going to hell even though I`m straight. because I`m saying F*CK ALL THAT SH*T!!!!
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Angillion: "Matthew 5:17-19. Stated as being a direct quote from Jesus by someone who was right there at the time (Luke). "

    Before you go accusing me of not knowing what I`m talking about, read a little bit further and stop using google as your backup. In Matthew 5:21-48 jesus goes on to explain each of the commands or `laws and prophets` that he was speaking of. These laws and prophecies were the Ten Commandments.
    Also, in Matthew 5:18, as you so nicely quoted for me, Jesus speaks of the passing of the Old Covenant. He puts a time limit on it, that it will be gone once `everything is fulfilled.` That everything was his ministry, and when he died on the cross, everything was fulfilled. The Old Covenant, or Old Testament law and such, doesnt have sway over His new interpretations of the commandments and law anymore.

    It`s nice that you think I`m hiding behind all the nice parts of the Bible and laughing at others, but you need to get your facts straigh
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
    803 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    @deathcab4aj, Jesus WAS Jewish. He didn`t change the rules, he added on. Where does it say in the new testament that surf and turf is okay to eat, for example? If it`s implied, then who said so? Christians are not Jews not because Jesus changed the rules, but because they do not believe in the same thing. Christians believe in the Holy Trinity the Son being Jesus, their savior. The Jews do not follow the new testament because they only believe Jesus to be another prophet. Too many people that consider themselves Christian cherry pick what they want to believe from the OT. You`re right when you say that favor NT over OT, but that`s just bullsh*t.

    The entire old testament is Jewish as it was written by, taught, and read by Jews. It is only part of the Torah.
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    EdiMesic Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    I have...................

    The weirdest boner right now...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    It`s nice that you think I`m hiding behind all the nice parts of the Bible

    What I actually said was "You like a happy happy version of your bible, with all the nasty bits ignored."

    and laughing at others,

    Wrongly accusing them, not laughing at them.

    but you need to get your facts straigh

    A hilarious comment from someone who has just replied to quoted bible verses by stating that those verses are something significantly different. Did you not notice or did you hope no-one else would? I noticed and I`m pointing it out. The time limit stated was the end of heaven and Earth, not Jesus` death.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    "Oops, got my apostles mixed up there. Matthew and Luke both contain verses about Jesus saying that old testament law is binding on Christians too."

    That is true, but you need to also know which laws are being spoken of. Bottom line, Christ is the New Covenant, and the Old Covenant is no longer valid
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:42 pm
    The end of Heaven and earth was not the stated time limit. Look a bit closer and you`ll see that he says til everything has come to pass. Like I stated, that was when Jesus` ministry was finished with his crucifixion.

    Rape the Bible any way you want to (you`ll have to marry it btw), but I`m firm in my faith and beliefs, and I`ll still pray for you and your understanding :)
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:44 pm
    hell yeah bible hell yeah!!!!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Before you go accusing me of not knowing what I`m talking about, read a little bit further and stop using google as your backup.

    Damn, you can read ancient Hebrew? Really? I`m impressed. Not many people can read ancient Hebrew.

    Or...wait...maybe, just maybe, you`re talking poo instead. You`re using an English translation of the bible, aren`t you? Just like I am. Although I usually use at least a couple of different ones, since they can differ significantly (because they`re wrong, obviously).

    In Matthew 5:21-48 jesus goes on to explain each of the commands or `laws and prophets` that he was speaking of. These laws and prophecies were the Ten Commandments.

    They were every aspect of Jewish law and prophets (not prophecies). It says so very clearly in Matthew 5:17. Also, 5:21:48 isn`t what you say it is.

    Anyone who cares, please check for yourselves. Numerous English translations are available online for fr
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    EntrE Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    the bible is definitely one messed up book
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Tjl311:

    verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law

    If I was like you, I`d call you a rapist and patronise you by saying I`ll pray for you.

    Thank goodness I`m not like you.
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    Zombiemike Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    @Tjl311

    highfive for real christianity, and not that fire and brimstone garbage.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    That is true, but you need to also know which laws are being spoken of.

    According to your bible, all of them.

    I`m glad that almost all Christians decide that their bible is a pick `n` mix thing, choose just some of the rules in it and decide that the other ones don`t apply because...because...err...because they don`t! In almost all cases, that`s a huge improvement over the vileness that`s the whole bible.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    Angillion:
    verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law

    ^^ I like how you take out the one part that I just stuck you on. How about you actually make a point instead of requoting the same thing and saying the same stuff over and over? I just went and picked through your bible verse and even added to it, as well as thoroughly explained myself.

    I dont understand how you cant understand what I`m saying. Jesus Christ validated certain Laws from the Old Testament. I AGREE with you that this verse says this. I DISAGREE with how you interpret it, especially since if you READ A FEW MORE VERSES instead of QUOTING EXACTLY WHAT FITS YOUR PURPOSE, Jesus explains this.

    Nice try, but the Bible is taken as a whole, not in context.
    And I`m not sure how praying for you constitutes me being a rapist, but if you`d like to dream about marrying me too, by all means go ahead
  40. Profile photo of Tjl311
    Tjl311 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Angillion: "
    According to your bible, all of them.

    ^Wrong.. Read more than 3 verses and you`ll find out. Read the ENTIRE Bible and you`ll be able to actually have a valid point in this argument.

    I`m glad that almost all Christians decide that their bible is a pick `n` mix thing, choose just some of the rules in it and decide that the other ones don`t apply because...because...err...because they don`t! In almost all cases, that`s a huge improvement over the vileness that`s the whole bible.

    ^You`re doing the exact same thing... "Jesus validates these laws... and err.. I dont care what the very next verse or anything else says, this is the only one that matters!"
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:02 pm
    Religion is a funny thing full of invisable beings and hate...
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    @Zombiemike: Thanks bud. Truth be told, most of those extremists make me sick. They give christians a bad name lol.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    Angillion: "Damn, you can read ancient Hebrew? Really? I`m impressed. Not many people can read ancient Hebrew.

    Or...wait...maybe, just maybe, you`re talking poo instead. You`re using an English translation of the bible, aren`t you? Just like I am. Although I usually use at least a couple of different ones, since they can differ significantly (because they`re wrong, obviously)."

    This was just a plain dumb remark. Everything differs a little bit. Your translation to my translation differs. It`s the way things are.
    Besides, if you want to call me out for not having the original Bible, then your argument is moot as well. GTFO, you lose either way
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    Tjl311:

    I`ve read one version of your bible and large chunks of other versions. I have just re-read Matthew 5. All of it. Several versions.

    When you have anything relevant to say as a counter-argument, get back to me. If that ever happens.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    Angillion: Good job, but according to your previous point that I just noted, those are all wrong. Sorry bud, you just wasted your time.

    "When you have anything relevant to say as a counter-argument, get back to me. If that ever happens."

    I`ve addressed all of your arguments and completely explained myself. All you have done is try to tell me i`m stupid and then reiterate what you said before. I`ll give you something relevant when you`ll give me something new to comment on.
    You`re losing the fight, Angillion. It was fun, and I enjoyed it and respect your opinions, but you`re only digging yourself deeper.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    Besides, if you want to call me out for not having the original Bible, then your argument is moot as well. GTFO, you lose either way

    Have you already forgotten what you posted such a little time before?

    You said I was wrong because I was using Google. Actually, I was using Bible Gateway, but Google would have worked just as well. In other words, I am using a convenient source of various English translations of the bible. I have a paper copy as well, but that doesn`t make any difference.

    Unless you can read the original languages and you`re familiar with the original cultures, you`re just going off an English translation too.

    So I was "calling you out" for criticising me when you`re doing the same thing.

    Although you`re probably worse, as I will check different translations and I have some knowledge of some of the relevant cultures.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    Angillion: I didnt criticize you for using a translation at all. You brought up the fact that I was probably using an english translation, which you said was wrong. You also made the smartass remark about not being able to read ancient Hebrew. All I did was inform you that the shortcomings you are pointing out are your own failings as well. It isnt my fault that your statement turned on you.

    Now, do you actually have something to say to me about this post? Or are you going to keep whining about how I dont read Hebrew or how I used your own argument against you? Because I`m getting bored and annoyed with having to explain my arguments over and over.
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    steven8124 Male 50-59
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    People try to hard to make the Bible apply to their definition. Read the Bible as it stands and quit trying to make it fit your situation then you will come up with the true meaning of Gods word.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    And I`m not sure how praying for you constitutes me being a rapist

    Either you`re not reading my posts before "replying" to them or you`re lying to try to make me look bad. It`s not the first time you`ve done one or the other. I doubt if it will be the last.

    Here`s what you wrote:

    Rape the Bible any way you want to (you`ll have to marry it btw), but I`m firm in my faith and beliefs, and I`ll still pray for you and your understanding :)

    Here`s a reply I made later, referring to that:

    If I was like you, I`d call you a rapist and patronise you by saying I`ll pray for you.

    Thank goodness I`m not like you.


    And your reply to that is:

    And I`m not sure how praying for you constitutes me being a rapist

    You cannot be illiterate enough to think that is a relevant reply.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    Hmmmm. A Bible-related post has resulted in more vitriol than any other post today? Imagine that. ~facepalm~ Religion: Handle with care. Highly inflammable. May blow up in one`s face if not treated with respect.
  51. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:34 pm
    Angillion: I didnt criticize you for using a translation at all. You brought up the fact that I was probably using an english translation, which you said was wrong. You also made the smartass remark about not being able to read ancient Hebrew. All I did was inform you that the shortcomings you are pointing out are your own failings as well. It isnt my fault that your statement turned on you.

    The posts are date-stamped and uneditable.

    Anyone who cares can check the times of the relevant posts and see that you are making an untrue statement. Again.

    Or are you going to keep whining about how I dont read Hebrew or how I used your own argument against you?

    I used your argument against you. You`re just making untrue statements about what posts were made when and hoping nobody will notice. You`ll probably get away with it because hardly anyone will care enough to check.
  52. Profile photo of Tjl311
    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    Angillion: It was a very relevant post. I understand what you said, but I chose to ignore the fact that you`re calling me a rapist. I only said you can rape the Bible if you`d like, which you are doing, as I proved.
    Taking single passages, not even complete, and making them conform to your thoughts = raping the Bible.
    Also, while I understand why you`re trying to make me look bad by saying I dont read your posts, you should probably look at your own. The only parts you`ve replied to are anything I`ve done that possibly degrades or bashes you in a way. For the most part, you`ve left my actual argument alone and focused on making me look and feel bad.
    Like I already said, please post something relevant to the original debate. It`d make things much more interesting.
    Wait... unless you ran out of material after your 3 verses? darn. Go back to those multiple versions of the bible and get on it, bud.
  53. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    All you have done is try to tell me i`m stupid

    Another lie. I haven`t said you`re stupid. Dishonest, yes. Stupid, no. Here`s what I actually said:

    You like a happy happy version of your bible, with all the nasty bits ignored. That`s nice and it gives you a theological excuse not to be an evil bigot, but you`re wrong to say that people who quote the actual bible are making a poor attempt to bash it.
  54. Profile photo of Tjl311
    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    "I used your argument against you. You`re just making untrue statements about what posts were made when and hoping nobody will notice."

    I assume you spoke of this? -- "I AGREE with you that this verse says this. I DISAGREE with how you interpret it, especially since if you READ A FEW MORE VERSES instead of QUOTING EXACTLY WHAT FITS YOUR PURPOSE, Jesus explains this."

    Yep. I said I had a problem with your interpretation. Did I say anything about the translation? No, I did not. I only said that after the Bible being incorrect because it`s been translated.
    Interpretation =/= translation.
    The first, my statement.
    The second, I stated as a reaction to your statement.
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    Birdfather Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Ha. Religion and the internet. Fannnntastic.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    I understand what you said, but I chose to ignore the fact that you`re calling me a rapist.

    Please stop lying about me.

    I realise that you have no counter-argument and so your only hope is libel, but you`re getting very nasty about it and I am asking you to stop before I make a formal complaint.

    Please note:

    This is a formal request for you to stop libelling me. If you do not do so, I will make a formal complaint to the mods of this board and reserve the right to take it further if I choose to do so.
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    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    I`m done. I was having fun, but since Angillion cant bring ACTUAL arguments to the table, it is lame. I`m not going to waste my time readdressing everything i`ve already said and rearranging it all so you understand it. Learn to read, please, and learn to argue, please.

    If you have actually brought me a real debate when I get back from work, we can begin again. If you`re just going to highlight a few words and call me a liar and an idiot, then im done with you.

    Thanks, enjoy the rest of your day
  58. Profile photo of Tjl311
    Tjl311 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    "
    Please stop lying about me.

    I realise that you have no counter-argument and so your only hope is libel, but you`re getting very nasty about it and I am asking you to stop before I make a formal complaint.

    Please note:

    This is a formal request for you to stop libelling me. If you do not do so, I will make a formal complaint to the mods of this board and reserve the right to take it further if I choose to do so."

    LOL.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    I assume you spoke of this?

    You assume incorrectly. Your assumption is particular bizarre because it relies on the idea that I was speaking of a post that happened later. Are you travelling backwards in time? That would explain why you keep getting the order of posts reversed.
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    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    Different strokes for different folks. That`s all I have to say on the matter.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    I don`t care about the bible. If you want to be gay, fine, be gay. I, however, see it a defect, perhaps a metal illness. After all, sexual attraction is in the mind.
    I don`t think as a society we should endorse? validate? encourage? (not sure which word to use) homosexuality by allowing gay marriage.
    Men have sex with women, reproduce, and life continues. This is a very basic concept and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

    Homos: You`re doing it wrong.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    I`m not going to waste my time readdressing everything i`ve already said and rearranging it all so you understand it. Learn to read, please, and learn to argue, please.

    Your only argument is that whatever parts of the bible you don`t like must be ignored because you say so and that anyone who doesn`t ignore those parts of the bible is bashing the bible. In support of that argument, you provide some verses that don`t have the content you claim they have.

    That`s not much of an argument.

    You then moved on to making untrue statements about other people`s posts, reversing the order in which posts were written and finally outright libel.

    It`s at that point that I first called you a liar, *after* you wrongly said I had done so (your time reversal trick again). I haven`t called you stupid or an idiot, but of course that hasn`t stopped you claiming I have done so as part of your ad hominem substitute for argument.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    mykunter:

    If you follow your own argument, you should be advocating that the only form of sex that should be endorsed/validated/encouraged (whichever one you go with) is one that might result in pregnancy and also that no marriage should be allowed unless pregnancy might result.

    So, for example, you`d have to be advocating that all heterosexual marriages are automatically ended when the woman reaches menopause. Also, you`d have to advocate that nobody who is infertile should be allowed to marry.

    I don`t think you do advocate those things. I think that you haven`t thought your "marriage only for reproduction" argument through.
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    dextaman Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    This angilion guy seems to not have his facts straight. after reading through the thready i think the point needs to be made, the death and Resurrection of Christ led to the end of many, not all, but many old testament covenants, including blood sacrifices and dietary laws. how this relates to the picture about gay marriage confuses me, but let it be known, from the point of view that the bible is inherent (meaning nothing is wrong in it) homosexual marriages are UN natural, and not to be supported by and christian on the earth. the bible is not a pick and mix thing, it must be read and interpreted as a whole, and to make arguments without having the background is ignorant.
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    WickedSteak Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    If a couple of homos decide to get married, what ill is that causing anyone? It`s really nobody`s business but their own. Time to grow up. It doesn`t matter if it falls under your definition of marriage. If it`s not hurting anyone, then it`s not worth fighting so hard to stop it from happening. It`s not the 1900`s anymore. I would have hoped we as a society would be beyond this petty nonsense by now.
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    smellme Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    I have...been here all summer, and I have yet to see Angilion post a coherent, on-topic, non-semantic, nit-picking response that doesn`t directly attack other people`s arguments.

    YOU MAD, BRO?
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    dmoltrup Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    polygany = fail
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm
    Gay people aren`t hurting anyone, except christ loving lunatics and gun loving rednecks.

    Which is completely fine with me.
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    I don`t know why some christians are so against gay marriage; Jesus had 2 dads and he turned out alright.
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    Exsilium Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    This is all Old Testament teachings... It does not apply any more. The stuff in the `New` Testament is what Followers of Christ adhere to. Like the 10 Commandments and such are repeated in the New Testament. The Old Testament has some weird/twisted stuff in it, but it is considered history and not actual Law that Christians follow. So this sh*t is irrelevant.
  71. Profile photo of Discobiscuit
    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    I`m Christian. How many negative connotations must that bring with it? I`m all for gay marriage, among many other rational views.
    I know it`s futile but not all of us are blind fundamentalists..
  72. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    This angilion guy seems to not have his facts straight.

    You have chosen a subset of biblical rules and consider it a fact that those are therefore the only biblical rules. I don`t.

    the death and Resurrection of Christ led to the end of many, not all, but many old testament covenants

    Conveniently, it somehow ended the ones you disagree with and somehow didn`t end the ones you agree with, although there`s nothing actually in the bible from which to make that distinction.

    from the point of view that the bible is inherent (meaning nothing is wrong in it)

    You`re using English in the same way that you`re using your bible.

    homosexual marriages are UN natural, and not to be supported by and christian on the earth.

    Same goes for cheeseburgers and many other things.

    the bible is not a pick and mix thing

    Since all Christians pick out some bit
  73. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    continued after the usual IAB "1000 is not 1000" thing:

    Since all Christians pick out some bits and ignore others, it clearly is a pick and mix thing.
  74. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    This is all Old Testament teachings... It does not apply any more. The stuff in the `New` Testament is what Followers of Christ adhere to. Like the 10 Commandments and such are repeated in the New Testament. The Old Testament has some weird/twisted stuff in it, but it is considered history and not actual Law that Christians follow. So this sh*t is irrelevant.

    Ignoring for a moment the question of whether or not the OT applies to Christians (it isn`t as obvious as you think it is):

    It would be irrelevant if it wasn`t being used. The stuff against homosexuality is OT. Anyone who is opposed to homosexuality in any way for any Christian reason is using the OT. Using the OT to counter them is therefore extremely relevant.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
    379 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    It doesn`t matter whether the bible is OK with gay marriage, as the bible is religion, and the government is NOT religious. Separation of church and state means it doesn`t matter if your religion says it`s ok, it matters that there is no legal reason why it shouldn`t be ok. I don`t care what your religion says, since it says I`m going to hell for lots of other things. (have no god before me? I have loads of gods before him, lol) but if I wanted to marry a chick, I should damn well be allowed to. I don`t, but that`s besides the point.
    Be bigoted all you want, that`s the freedom in this country as long as you don`t keep people from housing or a job, but keep your religion OUT of our government.
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    FoSchizle Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    Give gays civil unions. Marriage is a religious institution, and homosexuality distorts that (as does much of what passes for "marriage" now-a-days.) Regardless, the government shouldn`t legislate with only Christianity in mind, which is why it should grant UNIONS to provide the same benefit. IMO, marriage of any sort shouldn`t be recognized by the government because of its religious nature, the government should just recognize unions.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    I have...been here all summer, and I have yet to see Angilion post a coherent, on-topic, non-semantic, nit-picking response that doesn`t directly attack other people`s arguments.

    YOU MAD, BRO?

    You have very selective vision. How appropriate for this thread, which is about selectively choosing some biblical rules and ignoring others.

    I could post some very simple responses using very simple language, which would be coherent to you, but I don`t see any point because I`ve already done that on numerous occasions and you`re mysteriously unable to see them.

    I could also make some posts without any language in them, so you couldn`t see anything about semantics, but I don`t see how that would help.
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    metalhead516 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    I love the "must submit sexually" part.
  79. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:58 pm
    FoSchizle:

    That`s a reasonable argument but it`s based on two incorrect premises. Marriage is not a religious institution and Christianity isn`t the only religion that has rituals about marriage.

    You`re arguing specifically about the word `marriage`. Since that word can be traced back to ancient Rome before Christianity existed, if you were to tie a religion to it then the right religion would be the state religion of ancient Rome, not Christianity.

    But marriage isn`t a religious institution. It`s a legal one.

    I`ve argued that using a different name for the same thing is a useful pragmatic way to get the legal privileges as soon as possible (which is what happened in the UK), but that`s just a practical tactic for getting the important inequalities removed ASAP.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
    379 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    Also, just saying, if the bible was something that was oh so easy to interpret "correctly" we wouldn`t have the fifty billion different sects of Christianity that we have now. And they ALL seem to think that they`re the one correct one (apologies to any of them that don`t think that, but I`ve never really heard of any groups that don`t)
    So I don`t see how two-ish people arguing on the internet would ever be able to figure out even one part of it. Especially since religion is actually supposed to be based on faith and belief, and not necessarily on fact or reason (god does love to test his people, don`t he.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    June 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    meh
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    dogfeet Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    Angilion:

    the new testament certainly does condemn homosexuality. Rom. 1:24-27, 1 Tim. 1:9-11, 1 Cor. 6:9-11. this is something which did not change from OT to NT.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    While I do agree with Angilion a majority of the time... I can`t imagine how much spare time he must have to watch all the religious topics on IAB and argue each one of them.
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
    129 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    I love how people try to apply today`s weird ideas of normalcy and morality, or lack thereof, to those things of the ancients. We`re so ignorant of simple rules of etiquette and manners, but we would judge those far better than us by our own rude, barbaric ideals, knowing nothing about them or their ways. Without even the most basic understanding of the Bible, the Old and New Covenants, they judge, while crying how terrible it is when Christians judge them. Hypocrites.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    wow, solomon really got around. 700 wives and 300 concubines.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    wow, solomon really got around. 700 wives and 300 concubines.

    I think he might have missed a few out on some days :)
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    dogfeet Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    yeah solomon had a lot of women. but the bible doesn`t protray that as a good thing. solomon did eventually lose God`s favor, in large part, because of his excess of wives. this pic gives only the information which paints the bible in a negative light. the more i look at it, the more i see how biased it is.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    While I do agree with Angilion a majority of the time... I can`t imagine how much spare time he must have to watch all the religious topics on IAB and argue each one of them.

    I have lots of spare time because I`ve arranged my life that way. Gives me plenty of time for the things important to me, like reading and playing games. It doesn`t take up that much time, since it only takes me a few minutes to type a couple of hundred words. There aren`t any proper debates here, so little thought or research is required. I don`t even check my spelling or grammar here.
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    smellme Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Angilion: I don`t know why you bother to try and sound intelligent with the help of your thesaurus when it is obvious you have a tenuous grasp on English grammar in general.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    Angilion:

    the new testament certainly does condemn homosexuality. Rom. 1:24-27, 1Â Tim. 1:9-11, 1Â Cor. 6:9-11. this is something which did not change from OT to NT.

    I am bored now, so I`ll ask if anyone cares before I spend the time required to refute that statement. I don`t know all of those verses off the top of my head, so I`d have to look them up to find out exactly why dogfeet is wrong. It would take a little bit of time that I could spend playing games.

    If anyone cares, I`ll do it.

    If nobody cares, I`ll just say "the NT does not condemn homosexuality" and leave it at that for now.
  91. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 3:39 pm
    Angilion: I don`t know why you bother to try and sound intelligent with the help of your thesaurus when it is obvious you have a tenuous grasp on English grammar in general.

    I don`t need a thesaurus. I have a moderately large vocabulary instead. It`s nothing special. I`ve been reading a great deal for 40 years, so it`s hardly surprising that I`ve picked up some knowledge.

    Of course, people with limited ability in something often assume that it`s impossible for anyone to have a much higher level of ability. Is your vocabulary very limited?

    I`m amused by the "tenuous grasp on English grammar in general" line. You`re using that on me in an online forum...thanks for the laugh. Seriously, I mean it. I appreciate the joke, whether you meant it as one or not.
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    smellme Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    Anglion:
    It was sarcasm. Your `vocabulary` is poo, in which case I would recommend the use of a thesaurus. And honestly my 5 year old niece constructs grammatically superior sentences without all the superfluous pedantry.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    June 26, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    I tried marriage once. From age 18 to 37. It didn`t work to my favor.
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    deathbringer Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 4:00 pm
    Who gives a drat what the bible says? We all know it`s poo anyways.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2423 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    I love how people try to apply today`s weird ideas of normalcy and morality, or lack thereof, to those things of the ancients. We`re so ignorant of simple rules of etiquette and manners, but we would judge those far better than us by our own rude, barbaric ideals, knowing nothing about them or their ways. Without even the most basic understanding of the Bible, the Old and New Covenants, they judge, while crying how terrible it is when Christians judge them. Hypocrites.

    Like in Genesis where the dude tries to get people to not rape the Angels by offering his virgin daughter instead? You mean that kind of thing? I love how people try to apply ancient standards of morality and normalcy, or lack thereof to modern society when those things can no longer be applied. They may have stoned people for petty offenses, but it is clearly far superior to our own barbaric legal code. Idiots.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    Smellme:
    It is my experience that anyone telling anyone else to "put away the thesaurus" in lieu (look it up in yours) of any other contribution to the discussion, is usually not doing so from the intellectual high ground they`re trying to take.

    Also, even though you tried really hard to make sure your post had no mistakes, you still got his name wrong. Well done.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    ~Squrlz4Sale bows down and pushes the "Troll of the Century" award toward Angilion`s feet~

    I am humbled by your powers, Sir.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    So are we including the writings of Paul?

    This is fun for starters, but I would also like to point out that whilst in the old testament homosexuality is alongside the eating of shellfish, in the new, it is alongside the likes of this.

    That`s where we get pick and choosy.
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    last_metroid Female 18-29
    87 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    I don`t like gays because it wouldn`t support my belief in evolution, lol.
    I told my friend this once and he jokingly said " what if it was Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve?"
    I lawled.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    Back to the old testament again are we. Ya kind of needed to do a lot of shagging to get your tribe bigger than the other guys. Multiple wives is a fairly good way to pull this off.

    On that basis we have not needed to do that for a long time. Just tossing that out there.
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    nikkuchan Male 18-29
    144 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    I think the Simpsons said it best when it said "The Bible says a lot of things."
    We`ve already seen that things like this don`t do a thing to sway the minds of people who are set against gay marriage.

    Things like this aren`t even necessary. Gays will eventually win their right to marry; it`s an inevitability. Apparently there was a time when the idea of women voting was about as absurd as gay people marrying, but we`ve seen that in most civilized countries, when a group of people fight to win a basic right, they usually end up getting it (though it usually takes a while).
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm
    @last metroid

    I`d just like you to explain to me why you "don`t like gays" because it doesn`t support your belief in evolution. It was tempting for me to assume that this is an illogical reason, but I won`t.

    Anthropologists haven`t ruled out the possibility that homosexuality provides some evolutionary advantage. Some anthropologists suggest that evolution has selected for more nurturing men, and that these traits sometimes come along with homosexuality. I`m skeptical of this, but I wouldn`t assume that homosexuality has no evolutionary advantage.

    Besides, just because people in homosexual relationships likely won`t pass on their genes doesn`t mean that one should disapprove of their lifestyle. Homosexuality has existed throughout humanity, and it hasn`t stopped us from living on. Its not like we`re in danger of not procreating. Really, we`re doing it too much. I`d argue that homosexuality IS evolutionarily advantageous, because it might curb overpo
  103. Profile photo of thefireguy22
    thefireguy22 Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    these are part of the Old Testament law, and the ceremonial law (under which these fall) has been fulfilled by Christ in the New Testament. i`m not some big Christian zealot, I just happen to have been taught very well on this subject.. so just take that into account when you see things like this.
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    JDravenW Male 13-17
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    June 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Seems GREAT to me. Still against gay marriage.
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    avava9 Female 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    what, you mean misogyny isn`t something new...
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    June 26, 2011 at 7:11 pm
    They`re all insane, why would you even bother using reason
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm
    Society has always had tension within it. This tension is the conflict between those who hold on to tradition and those who attempt to change or disregard this tradition.

    Nothing lasts forever. The history of society is one of change, of old tradition being replaced with newer culture. Those hanging on to tradition are the people who threaten the stagnation of human society, when it is instead meant to grow.

    Tradition is stagnation.

    And, I`m not completely sure why I try to use reason. I guess some naive part of me thinks that it will rub off on people.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    Why deny homosexuals the misery of marriage?
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    dexteriscool Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    @Angilion;
    I care!
    I`d be very interested to see you show that the NT does not condemn homosexuality.
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    ive got too much crap going on in my own life to give a flying rats ass if two adult men want to get married. forgive me for being self centered but how does that effect my life? will it cause more pollution? will it affect my chances for a better job or education? will it mean my rent will go up? will i have to put mustard on my burgers instead of ketchup? will toilet paper be scratchy instead of soft? why should i care?
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    PUDDING1961 Female 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    Oh hi! Did i miss anything? :-P
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    I-See-U Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 9:43 pm
    @puddiong1961


    nope, I think its all been covered by now. same old, same old.
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    PUDDING1961 Female 40-49
    446 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 10:06 pm
    Thanks for the update I-See-You. I just knew that while i was at my summer cottage, i would`nt miss anything stimulating, like a debate, or something. Night!
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    Kiwigirl2 Female 30-39
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    With all that working out who was going to marry who I`m suprised anything else got done!
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    addler Male 13-17
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    "will it affect my chances for a better job or education?"

    better education at the age of 30-39

    that ship has sailed...


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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    June 26, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    The bible was full of great moral stories and life lessons.
  117. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:32 pm
    Since dexteriscool asked, I`ll argue again that the NT does not condemn homosexuality.

    General argument first:

    The most important thing in Christianity should be the teachings of Jesus according to their holy writings. They don`t have Jesus condemning Christianity. They don`t have him mentioning it at all. If he didn`t care about it, why should any Christian?

    On to the specific verses dogfeet cited as proof that the NT does condemn homosexuality. He`s actually used the famous arsenokoitai verse. I didn`t think anyone would still do that.

    Romans 1:24-27.

    This is the best one for dogfeet`s argument, but it`s referring to heterosexuals who engage in homosexual sex as part of religious rites for other religions. So it`s irrelevant nowadays.

    Analysis

    To be continued...
  118. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    1 Timothy 1:9-11

    It`s one of the arsenokoitai verses (I didn`t know about this one, as it`s overshadowed by the more famous one).

    `arsenokoitai` is an English transliteration of the Greek original. The meaning of the word is unknown. Some people say it`s a reference to homosexuality purely because they want to make up a biblical condemnation of homosexuality. So they put that in their "translations". It`s not a valid translation because, and I can`t stress this enough, nobody knows what the word means.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    This is the famous `arsenokoitai` verse, so the same applies. It also contains another word sometimes "translated" to refer to homosexuality - `malakoi`. That means `soft` and is used in the bible with various different meanings, none of which are a reference to homosexuality.
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 26, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    Angilion: IF marriage was not a religious institution then why is it mostly performed by practitioners of religion ?

    Yes, We have made the word marriage a legal term, but that`s supplementary to usual religious traditions.
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
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    June 27, 2011 at 12:00 am
    @Angilion Well said, those whom do not realize that the new testament does not object to homosexuality itself and instead more as a pagan ritual are sadly mistaken.
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    DoctorSlutba Female 18-29
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    June 27, 2011 at 12:15 am
    We are supposed to have separation of church and state, show me a good argument against gay marriage that has nothing to do with religious bias and I will consider it, but I`ve not come across one yet.

    The definition of marriage has changed many times, at it was not long ago that marriage had to do with property- not love. Now it`s pretty clear marriage is about two consenting people who are in love; I don`t see the problem with making it legal.
  122. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 27, 2011 at 12:16 am
    Angilion: IF marriage was not a religious institution then why is it mostly performed by practitioners of religion ?

    Power grab by religious authorities. It`s a fairly recent thing in Europe - late medieval at the earliest. In many places, it was only briefly required. In England and Wales, for example, it was only required between 1753 and 1836. In some places, it has *never* been required. For example, Gretna Green is very famous for marriages...which traditionally had the local blacksmith as the official.

    Yes, We have made the word marriage a legal term, but that`s supplementary to usual religious traditions.

    Other way around, since the legal involvement predates the religious involvement and religion was only briefly a required add-on.

    The essence of marriage is the vows, which are the actual wedding. Everything else is an add-on.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    June 27, 2011 at 1:54 am
    The brother`s wife thing is contradicted in Deuteronomy saying that if a man marries his brother`s wife they will be childless. It`s how Henry VIII justified his divorce from Catherine of Aragon even though the Catholic Church was having none of it
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    614188 Male 18-29
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    June 27, 2011 at 5:12 am
    no gays??
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    June 27, 2011 at 5:13 am
    which traditionally had the local blacksmith as the official.
    Keeping that in mind, let`s say anyone wants to marry people... what are the requirements?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 27, 2011 at 5:47 am
    Angilion: I have to very much disagree with you on your supposed dating there. The Jewish ritual of marriage long predates the Romans, even the Egyptians, Babylonians, Africans, Japanese, Chinese, and Native Americans have had religious ceremonies for weddings led by either a king, priest, chief, tribal leader, or spiritualist.
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    jacos27 Male 18-29
    246 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 6:03 am
    I`m surprised no one has pointed out that they spelled polygamy wrong...it`s with an M not an N
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
    379 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 6:29 am
    jacos27 They actually spell it wrong in a different way
    Polygyny: Multiple wives for one man, the one practiced in the bible.
    Polyandry: Multiple husbands for one wife
    Polygamy: More than 2 people in a marriage
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 6:49 am
    Who cares? The bible should not dictate any law in this country at all, they should all be based on common sense and equality for everyone. It`s about time we stop turning to the bible to answer the questions that effect everyone in this country when not everyone believes in what the bible teaches or has to say.
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    Spocom Female 13-17
    709 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 7:28 am
    Luniz, I love you. Fully and truly. My virginity is yours now.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 7:49 am
    I love how all these are from the Old Testament.

    Old Testament = mainly for pre-Jesus Jews only.

    New Testament = for post-Jesus everyone.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 10:06 am
    I can haz concubinez!?!?!?!
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
    247 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    What has this got to do with gay marriage?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    Angilion: I have to very much disagree with you on your supposed dating there. The Jewish ritual of marriage long predates the Romans, even the Egyptians, Babylonians, Africans, Japanese, Chinese, and Native Americans have had religious ceremonies for weddings led by either a king, priest, chief, tribal leader, or spiritualist.

    i) Are you sure they were religious rituals first and had legal and social results added on later? Can you prove it? After all, many people believe the same about Christianity in Europe and Britain and that`s easily proven untrue.

    ii) The only things provably relevant to the word `marriage` are Roman, French and English and then only during certain periods of time. That matters, as the main argument is specifically about the word itself.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    "which traditionally had the local blacksmith as the official."

    Keeping that in mind, let`s say anyone wants to marry people... what are the requirements?

    When and where? Traditionally in Britain the only requirement was to be able to witness the couple wedding each other. Nobody married them - they married themselves. Someone could arrange witnesses, arrange a venue and make a bit of ceremony about it. In Gretna Green, that someone was usually the local smith. The smithy was a focal point of the place, on the main road. But it could just as easily have been done by anyone else. A letter from a cleric in medieval England, as the church was stepping up its power grab on marriages, describes a wedding in an inn, carried out without any ceremony at all. The couple vowed marriage, more than 1 person (other customers at the inn) witnessed them doing so, job done.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
    2856 posts
    June 27, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    thats the best book ever
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 2:49 am
    Does Angilion have to be smarter than everyone on every goddamned post? Seriously dude, STFU!!!
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 2:51 am
    "I have lots of spare time because I`ve arranged my life that way. Gives me plenty of time for the things important to me, like reading and playing games. It doesn`t take up that much time, since it only takes me a few minutes to type a couple of hundred words. There aren`t any proper debates here, so little thought or research is required. I don`t even check my spelling or grammar here."
    God I hate you
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 3:05 am
    @CrakrJak

    "Angilion: IF marriage was not a religious institution then why is it mostly performed by practitioners of religion ?"

    Because it`s a holdover from when it was a religious institution...at a time when EVERYTHING was a religious institution.

    We`re talking about times when EVERYTHING in some way or another was tied in with religion.

    You can no more say marriage today is a religious institution than eating food is: some people today still pray over their food, and in the past pretty much everyone in our cultures did, so should eating be something only the religious are allowed to do?
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    Howler81 Male 30-39
    321 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 7:24 am
    See, usually when anyone posts anything about the Bible on this site its a poorly researched strawman argument with little or no context from some hipster taking a cheap shot at religion. This is actually a well-researched, interesting post. Score: 1 - 11,732.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    Does Angilion have to be smarter than everyone on every goddamned post? Seriously dude, STFU!!!

    I could probably pretend to dumb down enough for you, but what would be the point even if you aren`t intelligent enough to realise that`s patronising? You`re not the only person here, so why should everyone dumb down to your level?
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    June 29, 2011 at 4:11 am
    Angilion, im so sorry that your obviously awesome life of the "important things, such as reading and playing games", is constantly disrupted by you having to come on the internet and correct all the silly little people that make up the world below you. I feel sad about the fact that you lose sleep because someone on the internet is wrong about something.
    You know what Angrylillyb*tch, if being as intelligent as you is as miserable as you make it sound, maybe ignorance is bliss.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 29, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    Bravo! You`re getting a little better at silly ranting. Now work on your English and maybe I`ll get you a silly pointy jester`s hat with bells on it.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    June 29, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    Angilion aren`t you a little old to be such a bitchy troll? Go sit down before you break a hip.

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