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108 Responses to Jilted Ex-Boyfriend Erects Abortion Billboard

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:30 am
    Link: Jilted Ex-Boyfriend Erects Abortion Billboard - Harassment to her, freedom of speech to him. They are in court, but who is right I-A-B? Full story in the credits link.
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    damokiwi Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Let the flame war begin in 5,4,3,2,...
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    elderban Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:49 am
    Harassment, and defamation of character since she never had the abortion.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:49 am
    Pro choice here.

    There is nothing wrong with this ad. He is well within his rights.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:51 am
    The man has a choice as well. remember this ladies.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:52 am
    I support this message, and find it so sad that there wasn`t a thing that this man could do to save his unborn child. HE/She was as much his as he/she was hers.

    GO PRO-LIFE......
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:53 am
    After reading the (full story) I agree that he has a right to keep the billboard up, it may be controversial and unpopular (like the westboro baptist church) but the 1st amendment allows for free speech.
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    Ujelly Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:55 am
    @Elderban,

    not true, the ladies FRIENDS say she didn`t have an abortion, if I needed support I`d go to my friends too, because they will LIE for me as well.
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    XbigXmommaX Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:01 am
    this is disgusting and that man is a drating animal. the woman had a miscarriage and he had the nerve to rub it in her face with this distasteful act? This is blatant harassment in my eyes, especially because of the emotional distress it caused the woman it was directed at.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:03 am
    I`m iffy on this. He has freedom of speech but it`s also defamation of character and it`s infringing on her rights because it`s airing her private medical matters to the whole world without her consent.

    As for the campaign itself, it isn`t going to persuade anyone. A lot of women wouldn`t have the support of the child`s father, and the child`s father being involved doesn`t solve the fact that she has to go through 40 weeks of an unwanted pregnancy, with permanent damage to her body . It`s honestly something that should be discussed *before* having sex, so if you don`t like the choice your partner would probably make, you can choose to not sleep with them in the first place.
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Pro-life is pretty damn irresponsible. What if the baby is an alien? Or a f*cking Ghost?! Huh? HUH? Take that, pro-life ghost supporters.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Also, apparently his site says "the tragic event my ex was pregnant and lost the baby but didn`t bother to tell me how. so I assume the worst i believe the baby was aborted." So he ASSUMED she had an abortion, even though she/her friends say it`s a miscarriage.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:06 am
    Since it`s not a picture of her, and her name is`t on it, I don`t see where there`s anything wrong with it.

    Overall, dick move, but within his rights I suppose...

    That said... If she hadn`t let her own name out of the bag, and it had somehow been traced to her, THEN she could get him for all kinds of sh*t.
  14. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:06 am
    Let`s step back and look at this from diffrent angles. On one hand, the dude is understandably upset, however, does anyone else think he over reacted by putting up a billboard? You handle your emotions in a mature fashion, ex: getting some therapy, talking it out etc. What you don`t do is act irrationally and out of spite and erect a billboard. Now as for the woman, do I think she should have told him? Yes. But perhaps it was an accidental pregnancy (birth control mishap, etc) and she was not ready to be a mother. Is that her fault? No. The answer isn`t simply "well then she shouldn`t have had sex" we`re humans with an inate desire to f*ck. We`ve simply managed to find ways around gettting pregnant. There are a lot of variables that we are completely unaware of.
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    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:07 am
    Well, if he`s the father I can understand an abortion.
    God, that baby would be ugly.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:11 am
    It`s only free speech if you`re making a point or discussing an issue, that happens to offend someone involved. If you`re just going out defaming and slandering someone then you can STFU. If I put up a billboard saying "JOE BLOGGS HAS SEX WITH CHILDREN", where are all the tools who believe I have some kind of right to say that?
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    Alpha1971 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:14 am
    Something tells me there`s a very good reason he`s an EX boyfriend...
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:15 am
    The woman says she miscarried.

    This guy`s probably just insane.

    But he has the right to be insane on a billboard as long as it doesn`t identify who she is.
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:16 am
    @totterhey In the US, I think free speech applies to everything except speech that would specifically incite violence (ie` fighting words`), if I remember the constitution right (which I probably don`t).
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    HoneyPunch Female 13-17
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:19 am
    Regardless of whether or not she had an abortion, I think it`s a good thing that this baby didn`t end up tying the girl to this batpoo crazy douche.
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    mntlmstrbtr Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:20 am
    He`s just pissed because that was the last chance he`ll ever have to have sex with anybody.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:27 am
    "Pro choice here.

    There is nothing wrong with this ad. He is well within his rights."

    Absolutely! I think that many would say that his ad is misguided and in poor taste. In the same vein, he could argue that his ex-girlfriend was misguided and in poor taste. In the end, my heart goes out to this guy for his loss. My heart goes out to the ex-girlfriend for ever having slept with this guy.
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    uunxx Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:33 am
    He sired plain black cartoon baby? Creepy.
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    MrTomcreaven Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:35 am
    although it`s free speech, it`s a horrible thing to do.
    Plus, I don` think "kill" is the right verb
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:39 am
    If she didn`t have the abortion and it was indeed a miscarriage, then this billboard is just cruel and immature. If she did have an abortion, this billboard is still immature and cruel. There are better ways of dealing with these issues then broadcasting them to the world. (Not to mention that she should be able to have an abortion (if she did) if she wants without this kind of harassment from her douche ex-boyfriend.)
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    Skittzo Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:39 am
    I don`t believe we can tell other people what to do with their bodies. I`m sorry. If she chose to have an abortion, it was probably because he appears to be a petty and self centered individual. I wouldn`t want to have a baby with a bastard like that either.
    However, he has the right to post that. Even though it sucks.
  27. Profile photo of Neo20999
    Neo20999 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:39 am
    It`s clear that he wanted a child, so it`s sad, but still...woman`s body, woman`s choice.
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    Birdfather Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Maybe she killed it because she was scared it would turn out looking like her?
  29. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:47 am
    Neo20999-"woman`s body, woman`s choice."

    Damn straight. Just as it`s "Baby`s body, Baby`s cho...well, in the trash can, actually."

    Always found it funny that out of the three individuals involved (mother, father, child) only one gets a choice.

    Irregardless of your stance on Abortion, this sign is inappropiate.

    BUT

    Inappopriate does not equate illegal.

    Free speech covers even the speech you don`t like.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:48 am
    @hatface you`re also not allowed to falsely slander someone... aka "JEFF DODDEROGENDAS EATS CHILDREN!!" when really, he doesn`t.
  31. Profile photo of Satkela
    Satkela Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Although I feel his pain for wanting a child, she was going to do what she wanted to do no matter who deems it right or wrong. People can argue it until they`re blue in the face but the fact is there are women who don`t care to have children at a particular time and find abortion to be the best way to "get rid of the problem" Of course this doesn`t include victims of rape, my heart goes out to those poor women/girls. Hell even if abortion was made illegal everywhere and a woman REALLY didn`t want that child, she would probably risk her life in getting illegal operations. I`m Pro life all the way, but I`m also realistic. At the end of the day people will do what they want to do, consequences be damned.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Im sorry, im pro choice but if i personally want a baby and my wife/girlfriend aborts it, im gonna get pissed. Having the right doesn`t mean you are never a douchebag for excersizing it, kinda like the billboard itself.
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    Caretta Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Seriously?
    A 3 minute video of someone putting up a sign?
    Why is this not just a picture?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:13 am
    @drprofessor: Right but he didn`t slander and one person. He didn`t name her.

    Therefore, as tasteless as it is, she can`t do poo.

    Also, the man should give approval on Abortion. If he wants the baby, it should be carried full term, and full custody given to the father.
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:19 am
    @DrProffesor Well, Jeff DOES talk about eating children a lot.

    Jus` sayin`....
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:21 am
    @aburn

    Maybe it should be that the father should just take custody of his wives vagina? That`ll teach them for mis-using it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:29 am
    @hatface: You missed the point, entirely.
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    Golden1 Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:41 am
    I really don`t blame the woman. Who wants a baby with a man like this? People have the nerve to call a woman a murderer but it IS her body. A man who expects a woman just to have a child because she is pregnant is a bastard. If you have never carried a child in your body, or if you can`t, you have no idea what it takes. Get off your high horse and stay out of other peoples lives. If you are a man who is pissed because she "killed your baby", you should have been a man she wanted to have a baby with.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:55 am
    It`s a shame the guy who paid for the billboard wasn`t aborted.
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    NotThatSmrt Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 11:59 am
    That guy would have eaten the baby anyways.

    Isn`t that what abortion is for? Keeping unstable guys like that from having babies?
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    "Also, the man should give approval on Abortion. If he wants the baby, it should be carried full term, and full custody given to the father."

    Nonsense. If he wants a baby, he should find a woman who also wants to reproduce, marry her, and then have a baby.

    If he doesn`t want "the woman in his life" to have an abortion, he should either keep his d*ck out of her body, or use a condom every time.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    Why try to help the starving children in the world when you can spend 1000-2500$ on a billboard, right?
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    nkslover Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    what man should ever have the right to tell a woman what she can/can`t do with her body?
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    by the way, the fact that she had an abortion or miscarriage is essentially medical information - which is protected.

    Hope she wins and gets everything he has or ever makes.

    And any of her friends or family or coworkers who met the guy, anyone who had ever seen them in public together, would know he was talking about her.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    That guy looks like he would drat up the kid anyway. One less psychopath in the world.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    If you consider a premature fetus a baby then you need to also consider all women`s eggs and males sperm babies as well. So every time a women is on her period, and every time a man jerks off in the toilet you are killing babies.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    I see why she had an abortion.
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    Abortion: A very sad necessity of life.
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    53590 Male 13-17
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    "That guy looks like he would drat up the kid anyway. One less psychopath in the world."

    I hope everyone that reads this doesn`t use it as evidence for pro-choice in their mind.

    I could say the same on the pro-choice side saying that the woman doesn`t know what to do with her body and we should tell her what to do. It`s essentially the same type of logic.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    Golden1-"If you are a man who is pissed because she "killed your baby", you should have been a man she wanted to have a baby with."

    Maybe she sohuldn`t have f*cked him.

    Heureux-"If he doesn`t want "the woman in his life" to have an abortion, he should either keep his d*ck out of her body, or use a condom every time."

    If SHE doesn`t want a kid, maybe she should have kept his d*ck out of her body or made him use a condom, or been on the pill. Responsibility works both ways.

    Heureux-"the fact that she had an abortion or miscarriage is essentially medical information - which is protected."

    HIPAA laws only aply to `covered entities` (doctos, nurses, hospitals, insurance, etc) and `business associates of covered entites` (such as your employer when you have an on the job accident).

    It does not apply to boyfriends, he broke no law in relation to her medical information.
  51. Profile photo of Satkela
    Satkela Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    @ggolbez
    Its really annoying when people use that as a argument to support abortion. A females egg and a males sperm are just that...it is when they join that a human begins to form. Sperm is nothing without the egg and vice versa. THAT is why women have periods because the egg is useless without the sperm to fertilize it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    Guys. THE GIRL WAS NOT NAMED ON THE BILLBOARD!

    If she hadn`t said anything, nobody would know who he was talking about.

    She has no libel case. She has no slander case. She will not win a lawsuit.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    I can`t believe how so many of you are condemning this man simply based on his looks. This guy may be a super nice and intelligent fellow. Yes, if it was a miscarriage, then fine, but she could of at least communicated with him on what happened.

    I believe abortion is murder and life begins at conception. I pray and have hope that some day these babies will have rights of there own.
  54. Profile photo of hatface
    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    "Jilted ex-boyfriend arranges elaborate prank to create flame war."
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    There are many states that will charge someone with two counts of murder when the person killed is pregnant (at least 23 to 25 weeks...can`t remember). So by that reasoning, abortion should also be illegal as well. Tell me why that isn`t the same thing. You Pro-lifers cannot have it both ways.
    On a personal note, I`m against abortion but it`s for moral reasons. I personally think if you`re going to stick your dick in a woman then you damn well better be prepared to accept all consequences of that act. Condoms aren`t 100% effective but they help. But when they break, what are you going to do? Sue Trojan and make them raise the kid? Bottom line is we, as a species, need to accept responsibility for our actions. It is only our own moral guidance that will allow us to raise a better generation than our own and really, isn`t that what we want to do anyway?
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    Also, consider this: Many,many years ago, 2 poor,single women became pregnant and opted for abortions. Both ultimately decided against it and had their babies. In so doing, one mother gave birth to Leonardo da Vinci and the other gave birth to Adolph Hitler. So you see, this argument could go on indefinitely.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    I`m `pro-prevention`. I just made that up, it should be a thing though. As far as I`m concerned, they are both idiots. Clearly, both are adult Americans with all the appropriate preventative resources at their fingertips. Almost no excuse for an unplanned pregnancy these days. Oh but how many times have I heard "the condom broke, I forgot to take a pill, I pulled out, pills are only 99% effective, I was too scared to ask my doctor... etc etc"

    Give me a god damned break.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    Sorry, I meant you pro-choicers can`t have it both ways.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    If a baby is to grow up in a life that should not be for a human. THen end up fd up with no help, they i support it, if 1 parent is to look after the child and support it, then abortion should not be needed
  60. Profile photo of netro
    netro Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    You want to know why they charge you with 2 murders if you kill a woman when she`s pregnant? Because for all intents and purposes, that was going to be a life that the murderer had no right to end.

    The woman can choose to end that life before it starts because, well, it`s her body and she has the right to that choice. The murderer did not have the right to make that choice. I find it hard to believe you couldn`t think of that on your own.

    However, the discussion here should be whether or not he has the right to put this billboard up. You`re damn right he does.
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    Helgahood Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 2:37 pm
    @DixxyRarr I totally agree with you. that`s my thinking. If you know how to make a baby and you know the ways to prevent having a baby plus the effectiveness, yet you still chose to do them then that was your choice and the baby is the result. But whatever, what really annoys me is having the gov`t all up in the abortion business. Just protect the country and let folks handle themselves.
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    for_lillian Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    His original organization was N.A.N.I. which happens to be the same name of his ex in question. Her uterus is her business regardless of abortion or miscarriage, not the business of the public. He owes child support to his other children, yet spends $1,300 to erect this billboard. His twitter includes a lot of jokes about DV, wanting to harm and kill his ex. Nani was 17/18 when she was pregnant, disabled, and this guy is in his 30`s. He has a past history of harassing women. He has stated he`s for abortion sometimes, so he`s not exactly a pro-choice kind of person. He`s not even sure if his ex had an abortion or miscarriage, just that one day she was pregnant and one day she wasn`t. You will find a lot of interesting things when you Google this guy.
  63. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    You Pro-lifers cannot have it both ways.

    Of course they can, because they have political power. Anyone with enough power can have anything as many ways as they want, that`s how it works.

    As is often the case, I have an unusual opinion. I expect rage from both sides.

    I regard abortion on demand as the least bad option available, so I think it should be legal and available.

    The reason I think of it that way is personal autonomy, so it follows that I think that only whoever is pregant should have any legal rights on the subject.

    Where I am apparently weird is that I don`t consider it a good thing to dehumanise men.

    Despite what many people think, men are people and can suffer psychologically. There should be compassion for men whose children are killed and who can do nothing to protect them.

    You can argue that they aren`t children until they`re born, so the men have no reason to be upset.

    If so, go t
  64. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    Fancyclad...with the advertising, can`t you afford to pay a couple of hundred to a couple of 12 year olds to write a better comments section for this site?

    The text cut off for no reason at the end of the last post read:

    If so, go tell that to someone who`s just had a miscarriage.

    Since I`m forced to go into a second post, I`ll write some more.

    Subjectively (and that`s what matters when it comes to psychological harm), it is possible for a person to regard a foetus as being their baby before birth. And, radical idea though it is, I regard men as being people.
  65. Profile photo of Jen-O-Bear
    Jen-O-Bear Female 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    If two consenting adults made that baby, then both should have a say so in what happens. Not just the woman.
  66. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    If two consenting adults made that baby, then both should have a say so in what happens. Not just the woman.

    It can`t work that way. If they disagree, one has to have the final say. That`s the only say that matters, so the only possible scenario is that one has absolute power and the other has absolutely nothing. Anything else is just a facade covering the truth, a deception.
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    tehbionic Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    Jen read lillians`s post
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    If the woman actually had a miscarriage, then this is a jerk move, but he still shouldn`t be brought up on defamation. She isn`t actually identified on the billboard and he`s some nobody, so her character isn`t really being defamed by the billboard. Further, when her likeness is not being used and she is not mentioned by name, anything he does has nothing to do with her and he should be free to do what he will. He shouldn`t be tied to her, unable to do or say anything that might reflect badly on her, simply because they once dated.
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    for_lillian Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    For him to say that the mother KILLED his baby suggests that the baby was actually born, which is a felony had a murder been committed. Again, not going into pro-life vs. pro-choice, but he does state he doesn`t know if it was a miscarriage or abortion, just that he *suspects* it was an abortion. He named his organization the same name as his ex.

    Jen: while I agree there should be more resources available to men regarding the loss of a child for whatever reason, the moment a cisgendered male carries a fetus to term for 9 months, morning sickness, prenatal pills, and care, then he can have the 50/50 say in what happens.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    @for_lillian I would like your comment a million time if I could. Thank you.
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    for_lillian Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    @NotTHATbored you`re welcome, bb. Just here to bring some perspective to reality. <3
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    Idiot man, the woman has every RIGHT to HER body. It is her person, under law. Until men start giving birth to babies, they should keep idiotic noses out of a woman`s reproductive part of HER PERSON.
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    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    There are too many people on this planet anyway. And with every generations there seems to be more and more idiots, so nothing lost.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 6:46 pm
    for_lillian-"For him to say that the mother KILLED his baby suggests that the baby was actually born"

    Many, many people consider aborting a child `killing`. Just because you disagree does not make them wrong (nor you right).

    As mentioned earlier, there is legal precedent that killing an unborn child is not only `killing` but can also be classified as murder.

    If a woman wants a man to `keep their idiotic noses out of a woman`s reproductive parts` then they need to make sure that the men keep THEIR reproductive parts out of hers. The child is a product of both, and the responsibility of the same.

    But, if you think a woman`s `reproductive parts and choices` are hers, and hers alone, then the child is hers, and hers alone, and you agree that she should not be able to go after the guy for child support if they choose to birth it.

    Or, are you attempting to have it both ways? (of course you are)
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    for_lillian Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    @MeGrendel then why would so many be more up in arms over a toddler being killed over a fetus being aborted?

    Hint: An acorn =/= a tree.
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    for_lillian Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    re: MeGrendel

    chopping down a tree =/= smashing a hammer against an acorn.

    I`m saying if a man wants to manipulate a woman who is disabled, then he is weak and needs to be carried off to La-La land. However, if a man stands up and will make the 3:00 a.m runs to the store, be pregnant himself and experience what it truly is like to be pregnant, then by all means I will listen to his past experience and what he has to offer.
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    mackin Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    Unless you are anti-war, nonviolent as much as possible, and vegan, you are not "pro-life". Jains, technically are the most "pro-life" of belief systems. Being against abortion is tactfully called pro-fetus (pro-fetus rights).

    Many so-called "pro-life" people are really more about mandatory pregnancy.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    She has a right to control her own body and he has a right to tell people what she did. It`s not like he published a photo and her work email address.
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    panda_chaos Female 18-29
    235 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm
    Wow. Have a kid with this guy? No wonder she got an abortion.
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    nny156 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    abortions legal

    drat off
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6235 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 8:29 pm
    for_lillian-"chopping down a tree =/= smashing a hammer against an acorn."

    In the sense that it is neither morally, nor legally, wrong to either chop down a tree or smash an acorn, your comparison fails. (unless, of course, either belong to me, in which case you may have a problem.)

    Is he an a$$wipe? Yes.

    Is he a fit father? No.

    Is he withing his rights to do what he did? Yes.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33070 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    (backs slowly away from the 4 pages of comments...) /stealthmode
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    Adora Female 18-29
    79 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    Ok first off, abortions are not legal everywhere,where this was done it might be. But the point is that there is no reason or rhyme behind it. People would be just as p`d if someone who is all for abortions had a billboard erected portraying a mother murdered by her own son. (With the caption : If they`d only had let her get an abortion.) People do stupid things all the time. She did stupid in some eyes, he did stupid in others`. Stupid makes the world go `round people.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    @MeGrendel

    "Many, many people consider aborting a child `killing`. Just because you disagree does not make them wrong (nor you right).

    As mentioned earlier, there is legal precedent that killing an unborn child is not only `killing` but can also be classified as murder."

    I think you are confusing the issue here. There is in fact no legal precedent saying that getting a legal abortion is "killing" a child, so as far as the law is concerned she did not "kill" anyone.

    There may be a precedent that murdering a pregnant woman after a certain point her pregnancy constitutes as a double murder, but that point is almost certainly past the point where you can have a legal abortion. It would almost certainly fall into the same time period as the outlawed "partial birth abortions" where, yes, doctors actually kill the child not just remove it.

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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    Well, there`s a near miss for her; she must be grateful for him showing his colors. What have she had gone ahead and married this jerk?
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    CheshireKiti Female 18-29
    31 posts
    June 8, 2011 at 11:36 pm
    Why is this a four minute video and not just a photo?
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    apedrana Male 18-29
    144 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 2:06 am
    judging on the race of the baby, i dont think he was the father
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    Lauryn Female 18-29
    437 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 3:46 am

    This is such a sad situation, First up it would be nice if we were told wether she had a termination or if it really was a miscarriage. But they wont answer that because it wouldn’t cause such a news storm!
    I am all for Pro- choice, but I think that it should be decided between BOTH parents. Maybe this guy really is a douche and she didn’t want to bring another one of him into the world… but he should have some right to the baby he helped create.
    It way to hard to sit here and judge either of them with out knowing the full story, She should have talked about it more with him (If/before) she made any decisions, and he shouldn’t have put the billboard up. They both need some councilling or something.
  89. Profile photo of Veneni
    Veneni Male 13-17
    31 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 4:19 am
    How about a picture of a crackwhore with "this was going to be my doughter if the mother did not decide to abort"
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 4:51 am
    Yes, help the pro life movement by furthering the public humiliation and shaming of women.
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    ChainsawNbud Male 50-59
    741 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 5:45 am
    Funny how the man has such a problem with abortion, but has no problem with fathering children out of wedlock.
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    davidildo123 Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2011 at 6:05 am
    Right on freedom of speech.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 6:17 am
    I am all for Pro- choice, but I think that it should be decided between BOTH parents.

    So what do you think should happen if they want different and mutually incompatible things? Father wants the baby, mother wants an abortion - how does your "decided between BOTH parents" work then?

    I see it as a deception trying to prettify a very ugly situation. There is no way to have both parents decide, no way at all. Next step is usually saying that she should listen to him, blah blah. Also a deception trying to prettify a very ugly situation. An emperor might decide to listen to a serf, but that doesn`t mean they have an equal say in running the empire.

    I think the man should be kept as ignorant as possible as often as possible, preferably never knowing there was a pregnancy. He`s utterly powerless and can do nothing but suffer. There`s no need to rub his face in it. That`s just nasty.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6235 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 6:46 am
    NotTHATbored-" think you are confusing the issue here. There is in fact no legal precedent saying that getting a legal abortion is "killing" a child, so as far as the law is concerned she did not "kill" anyone."

    I didn`t confuse the issue at all, seeing as I was not taking issue with the law. My statement read, "many people consider aborting a child `killing`." Which is a true statement. The law is a different issue. By law she did not kill her child. Not everyone agrees with this law. (but it IS the law)

    "There may be a precedent that murdering a pregnant woman after a certain point her pregnancy constitutes as a double murder"

    For most states in the US, ANY point of her pregnancy constitutes murder of the unborn:
    Alabama: "an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability"
    Alaska: "at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
    Arizon
  95. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 6:47 am
    "Right on freedom of speech."

    An abortion is a medical procedure. Why should freedom of speech allow someone to disclose a part or parts of a woman`s medical history in a way that may defame her character and damage her financially? Shouldn`t people have to consent to have their medical information shared? Especially when she explicitly has requested that information not be made public? I think people have a right to privacy when it comes to their medical history.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 6:50 am
    @MeGrendel

    Yes but the law is what is at issue here, not people`s opinions.

    Also, where are you getting your information about these "most states"?
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 7:40 am
    Pro-choice, as a woman`s body is her own...
    and if a man really, really wants a kid there are PLENTY of women out there ready to pop out tons of brats (think Octo-mom!). So, he may have been well within his right to put up the billboard but it was still a dick move on his part.
  98. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6235 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    NotTHATbored-" the law is what is at issue here."

    No, a douchebag is the issue here.

    NotTHATbored-"where are you getting your information about these "most states""

    The LAW good enough for you?

    National Conference of State Legislatureslists is by state. In all 34 state recognize a fetus as a victim.

    Also, it is NATIONAL law. It`s called the `Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004" and was signed into law. Its definition is "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

    Please see:
    Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and
    Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).
  99. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    6235 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    Wendypants-"Pro-choice, as a woman`s body is her own..."

    Ergo, anything within a woman`s body is her own.

    Ergo, women have no right to ask for child support for any child she has without consulting the man.

    For that matter, the same argument holds true for my tax money. I didn`t have any say so in her having a child. So she shouldn`t qualify for WIC.

    Sounds fair.
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    lastapplepie Male 13-17
    49 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    on my tab it says jited ex-boyfriend erects fml
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    @MeGrendel Yes, the "LAW" is good enough for me. Thank you for sharing your previously uncited source, it does appear that 21 states recognize the killing of a fetus as "fetal homicide" from the point of conception. Interesting, but irrelevant.

    The Supreme Court still does not define abortion as the "killing" or "murder" of a human being. So as far as the law is concerned, the sign is still untrue and potentially libelous. She didn`t kill anyone.

    There is also a difference between killing a fetus, say by stabbing it through the mother`s stomach, and the mother simply denying it the right to live inside of her at her bodies expense. If it could live then it would, no one is actually killing it, but it can`t live without a human woman`s body to support it so it doesn`t.

    If a man or "father" could step in and fill the role of the fetus`s host and assume all the costs and risks then he should be allowed to do s
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    Dead_Serious Male 30-39
    28 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    I think abortion should be legal to the age of 16. Man, that would be awesome. "Clean your room!" "No!" "Guess were off to the abortion clinic". I have single handedly just solved all the issues in the universe.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 9, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    (continued)

    If a man or "father" could step in and fill the role of the fetus`s host and assume all the costs and risks then he should be allowed to do so. Until then it`s really no his decision. Pregnancy has it`s risks and costs which a man simply can not negate or chose to take on himself. If the risks and costs are not his, then the decision is really not his either.
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    Negativitron Male 18-29
    66 posts
    June 10, 2011 at 3:31 am
    you know what? even if it is murder, abortion is jusifiable. Less people being made= less need for welfare, less crime, overall less bad stuff.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6235 posts
    June 10, 2011 at 10:54 am
    NotTHATbored-"If the risks and costs are not his, then the decision is really not his either."

    If the risks and costs nor decision are not his, then neither should be the cost and responsibility.

    She should not be able to sue for child support.

    Or are you trying to have it both ways?
  106. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 10, 2011 at 6:38 pm
    @MeGrendel

    That makes no sense at all, of course the father of a child should have to pay child support if he is not the primary custodian.

    When a woman is pregnant, she does not lose the right to control her body to her male partner or anyone else. If she doesn`t want to have a baby, then she doesn`t want a baby. The man has no say over her body one way or another, because it is HER body NOT his.

    One the other hand, when the child is born and can live on it`s own, it has nothing to do with the woman`s rights vs. the man`s rights it has to do with the child`s right.

    The child must be supported financially and it is the responsibility of both parents, unless BOTH of them decide to give up their rights and put the child into the custody of the state.
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    human_exile Male 13-17
    875 posts
    June 11, 2011 at 8:44 am
    the world`s population needs to be decreased anyway
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    June 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    you know what, if her info wasn`t on the billboard, then I don`t think so. but I think the whole pro-life thing is bupkis and the billboard was in HORRIBLE taste. sorry, but as a Black, agnostic, bi-sexual, I am damn tired of people telling me what I can/can`t do with my body and my life.

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