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115 Responses to Gay Marriage Approved By N.Y. Senate

  1. Profile photo of LadyIsis
    LadyIsis Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:14 pm
    Link: Gay Marriage Approved By N.Y. Senate - Lawmakers voted today to legalize same-sex marriage, making NY the largest state where gay and lesbian couples can wed.
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    raikun12 Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:24 pm
    ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:24 pm
    it`s about freaking time <3 <3 Equality for all!!
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    It was going to happen sooner or later. It is a good step for more equality though!
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    Somewhere there is a Sith lord that sensed a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in happiness, and were suddenly unoppressed.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    You would have thought New York of all states would have approved this one a long time ago.

    That said, now`s a good time to become a divorce lawyer. Just saying, divorce happens.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    congratulations new york.
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    jogger1 Male 13-17
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:38 pm
    It`s about time someone got this started.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:41 pm
    I think California will be the next state. We needed a big state like NY to follow through.

    Here`s a question that someone smarter than me might be able to answer: Won`t this just be appealed again like it always does?
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    This makes me so happyy <3<3 =D
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    Aww yay, good for you guys.
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    Trojan Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:53 pm
    Well, it`s about time Albany finally passed this isn`t it?

    On a lighter note, I opened the newspaper Tuesday morning for the first time in two weeks and was like, "Debate in Albany over same-sex marriage? When the hell did this happen?!" I was completely out of the loop.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    I`m pretty sure you can`t exactly appeal something like this. An appeal would mean they are saying gay marriage is against the constitution or something. In CA the appeal was to remove the ban on gay marriage, saying it was against their rights. Which I believe was just recently removed.

    Basically in CA their was a populous vote to ban any marriage other than between a man and a woman and it passed 52.24% to 47.76% under 600,000 votes separated it. This was later appealed.

    In NY they just passed the law and had it approved which can only be overturned by another vote which isn`t going to happen or a populous vote to ban it which against most likely won`t happen as it`s already been declared by federal judges that it`s against the constitution to do it.

    Basically you don`t appeal something like this, you appeal the opposite (banning) of it.

    I hope this answers your question
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:10 pm
    new york is gay
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:13 pm
    "It`s about time someone got this started."

    actually it`s the 6th state to approve gay marriage :) :) :) it`s amazing, isn`t it?? <3
  16. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    Is marriage in one USA state automatically recognised in other states?

    If so, there`s a new business opportunity right there, like with Gretna Green and the Marriage Act(*).

    NY should be a useful place for USA people to point at to show the lack of change after homosexual marriages are legalised. None of the things some people say would happen actually happen. No social collapse, no end of heterosexual marriage, none of that stuff. Just a small increase in the number of people getting married.


    * The Marriage Act placed restrictions on marriages in England and Wales in 1753, but it didn`t apply in Scotland. Scottish marriages were recognised in England and Wales. Gretna Green was the first Scottish settlement on the main route out of England, so people who couldn`t marry in England and Wales could go there, get married and have their marriage recognised in England and Wales, thus circumventing the restrictions.
  17. Profile photo of fiizok
    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:25 pm
    Absolutely awesome news!

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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    OMG, this is soooooo f*cking gay!
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    username3415 Male 18-29
    362 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:41 pm
    good
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:41 pm
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:43 pm
    @Angilion: to answer your question, if you`re gay and get married in NY, it`s not recognized if you say, move to California (or any other state that doesn`t recognize gay marriage).

    But to comment on the other thing you said, yeah, I think NY approving means other states will eventually see that the world`s not ending and will soon follow.
  22. Profile photo of Ches47
    Ches47 Male 18-29
    302 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:59 pm
    As a heterosexual man I say....good.
    Let em do what makes them happy, doesn`t hurt me. Big steps for many things
  23. Profile photo of Ches47
    Ches47 Male 18-29
    302 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
    The question is how much longer til PA does this?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 11:03 pm
    I approve this post.
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    KtySpix Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    You`re getting there America :) Keep on truckin!
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    June 24, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    Good to see my home state step up and finally do this. Equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 11:51 pm
    I know i will start an arguement, but... im happy if they can wed, even if the church disagrees, however it would not be ok if they have children, just because the effect it would have on the child. So congrats to NY for doing this, just dont let it go further...
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    Kodyo Male 18-29
    226 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:03 am
    That`s not good, think of the children!!!!
  29. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:05 am
    "That`s not good, think of the children!!!!"

    Don`t worry, we`ll legalize children marriage soon.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:08 am
    A judge will block it. Always happens anytime something important happens.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:09 am
    Well done NY, maybe the rest of the US can move forward now too. :)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:10 am
    @fatninja: Gay couples can already adopt in many states, even without marriage. :\
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:13 am
    Hey guys, I was just wondering, and correct me if I`m wrong, but shouldn`t they be trying to legalize sex with each other?

    Last I checked, sodomy (oral and anal sex) is illegal in all 50 states, and it carries hefty prison time.
  34. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:16 am
    "Last I checked, sodomy (oral and anal sex) is illegal in all 50 states, and it carries hefty prison time."

    Maybe you should update your knowledge more than once a decade. Sodomy was legalized in the U.S. in 2003.
  35. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:27 am
    Well you didn`t have to be an ass about it. Just didn`t know.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:31 am
    Hmmmm. Apparently it is still illegal for married couples to engage in sodomy in Alabama, but everyone else can. Weird.

    Kinda dumb.
  37. Profile photo of jteachey1
    jteachey1 Male 18-29
    122 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:57 am
    hey right wing, suck on that piece of legislation.
  38. Profile photo of sirdave80
    sirdave80 Male 18-29
    181 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:58 am
    Today is a good day.
  39. Profile photo of Tsik
    Tsik Male 30-39
    34 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:16 am
    Just as God intended: Matthew 19:6 "What therefore God hath joined together let not man put asunder" mouahahaha.
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
    535 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:28 am
    Babysteps. But I still smile for my gay & lesbian New Yorker friends.
    One day people will realise that love is more important than what you do with your genitals.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 1:36 am
    Congrats America, you`re finally catching up with the rest of the planet. You may just hold on to your superpower status for a few more years yet. Better the devil you know...

    Sincerely, from a European that would rather have you than China.

    Peace, Davymid
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 1:42 am
    Why should anyone but gay people care one way or another?

    A marriage is a civil matter and civil rights, by definition, are rights that are protected from unwarranted infringement by the government. This means there never should have been a vote in the first place. By voting on civil rights, one way or another, you are completely destroying the idea that it was ever a civil right.

    I`m just sayin`...
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 1:52 am
    they should just abolish marriage as a whole IMO
  44. Profile photo of sulu
    sulu Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 2:04 am
    As one comedian puts it, "We should let gays marry. Why can`t they suffer like the rest of us?"
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    June 25, 2011 at 2:38 am
    Big whoop. Now lets hang some white collar criminals from
    Wall Street and the savings and loan and Goldman Sachs and Enron...
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 2:39 am
    Wow, government actually voting `Yes` on a human equality issue. Fantastic, didn`t think I`d see the day in my lifetime.
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    IAFYM Female 18-29
    131 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 2:53 am
    Well done N.Y!
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    alliknow Female 18-29
    155 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 3:22 am
    America, Fcuk Yeah!
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 4:46 am
    I wonder if Westboro Baptist Chruch is going to protest the entire state of New York now.
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    daroofa Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 4:51 am
    It`s funny, some of these comments lead me to believe that the rest of the world actually thinks we care about their opinions of us.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 5:07 am
    Why was there ever even a question about this?
  52. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:08 am
    A step in the right direction. Keep it going!
  53. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:11 am
    Just another step toward the legalization of polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality.
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    dreadqueen00 Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:13 am
    This article was great. I`m so impressed with the four Republicans that broke ranks...of course, it`s something that should have been done a long time ago, but it`s a HUGE step in the right direction. :)
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:20 am
    daroofa: Apparently you cared enough to leave a comment.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:20 am
    CrakrJak: Trololol.
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:31 am
    @CrakrJak You gotta love progress!
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:43 am
    @ CrakrJak:

    please stop trolling, we all know you said that just to start a flame war. kthanksGETOUT.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 6:54 am
    wtg New York...
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:00 am
    "It`s funny, some of these comments lead me to believe that the rest of the world actually thinks we care about their opinions of us."

    And this little bitchy comment leads me to believe that you really do ;-)
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    Enjin Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:02 am
    The government should have no involvement in marriage.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:05 am
    Makes me happy to see my country actually listening to the people who aren`t on the rabid right for a change.
  63. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:10 am
    Just so you guys know, the Senate in NY is majority Republican.
  64. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:14 am
    PsychGeek: I`m not a troll, I`ve held this prediction for over a decade now. Just watch, It`ll happen and sooner than you think.
  65. Profile photo of PKMKII
    PKMKII Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:28 am
    @crakrjak: You know, they could legalize bestiality, polygamy, and pedophilia without gay marriage being legal. They`re not dependent on it.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:31 am
    @auburnjunky

    that is a good thing.
    republicans with views like crakr are fading out :P
  67. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:36 am
    I was mainly posting that in reference to what jteachy said:

    hey right wing, suck on that piece of legislation.
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    KidGixxer Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:38 am
    Its sad that a law needs to be passed to make it legal.

    especially when there is nothing illegal about it in the first place.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:40 am
    irrelevant?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 7:47 am
    CJ, You are indeed trolling. I`ve heard you say really dumb poo over the years but this takes the cake. Pedophilia and bestiality will always be illegal because they don`t involve consenting adults. The Morrill anti-polygamy act of 1862 was signed by Abraham Lincoln and if you wrapped your pea brain around the ramifications of polygamy you`d be against that as well.
    You`re just a bigot CJ. You want the constitution to mean what it says only to white christian conservatives and when it doesn`t you could care less.
  71. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 8:00 am
    Any excuse to launch a personal attack there huh?

    If you feed the trolls, they grow stronger.

    Sorry CJ, but bestiality? pedophilia? C`mon dude. I won`t say no to Polygamy though. If we get a Mormon in the White House anything`s possible. ;)
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    jimbro Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 8:31 am
    polygamy doesnt bother me...as long as its between consenting adults.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 8:42 am
    Meh... legal or not, you`re doing it wrong.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 8:44 am
    @ Crakr: That`s quite a stretch... even for you brother...

    I don`t think you`re trolling... I think you really believe what you said down there.

    As for polygamy, if that`s what consenting adults want, let `em have it. Personally, after having lived in a situation where I was the lone male with four female housemates, I can say that living with multiple wives would end badly for many who tried.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 8:55 am
    Obviously Crakr lacks an understanding of the term "CONSENTING ADULTS."

    I suppose you also believes this is a step towards legalizing rape in general then, huh? After all, the only reason it`s illegal is because of the lack of informed consent.

    You know, the kind animals and children can`t give, but grown men and women can?
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    Andicicle Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 9:16 am
    The fact that some people are against gay marriage so strongly is a bit shocking to me. Why does it matter to you? Does having money pumped into the economy by having expensive lavish weddings bother you? Does what they do in bed disgust you? if so, why think about it? Is it not a waste of your energy that you could be using loving god to hate somebody for loving somebody of the same gender? Does your insecurity ride so deep that you believe that legalizing the validation of love between to human beings could lead to the legalization of having sex with animals or rape? That pipe dream, "all men are created equal" is tested by the ignorance of hatred for the sake of hatred. Grow up, this is a new world.
  77. Profile photo of jteachey1
    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 9:34 am
    @CrakrJak "Just another step toward the legalization of polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality."

    That`s the kind of insensitive crap that tells me your opinion is no longer worth anything. You really view the act of homosexuality to be on THAT level?
  78. Profile photo of skypirate
    skypirate Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 9:39 am
    politically, i dont see why we need the government to tell us who we can and cant marry. personal relationships should be just that, personal.

    personally, i dont agree with gay marriage. marriage is a religious affair. why would you want to join a club that doest want you (goes for all you atheists as well)? go start your own thing. if you want equal political rights ill support you 100% but ill never consider you `married`.
  79. Profile photo of fiizok
    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 9:49 am
    "Just another step toward the legalization of polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality."

    Is anyone really surprised by this post from CrakrJak? He`s the same guy who wrote earlier this year that "Terrorism is caused by liberals."
  80. Profile photo of Lord_Jereth
    Lord_Jereth Male 40-49
    725 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 9:59 am
    "marriage is a religious affair."

    In fact, it`s not. Not anymore. It`s now, and has been for a very long time, a secular legal institution that has ramifications that reach into the areas of health, insurance, medical care, death benefits, child care, etc.

    This issue isn`t about someone`s 4000 year old, animal sacrificing, bronze age desert tribe`s "morals" anymore. It`s about being able to legally visit my loved one in the hospital. It`s about being allowed to enjoy the same tax benefits as every other legally married couple. It`s about being able to make legal decisions for our children. It`s about being able to make binding decisions for my loved one`s remains in case of their death and the distribution, or lack thereof, of their property according to their wishes. It`s about legal representation.

    Besides, shouldn`t they be allowed to lose half their sh*t in a divorce, too? Anything less is legalized bigotry.

    8-) LJ
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 10:02 am
    Polygamy is not about consenting adults. It`s more about fairness. Which spouse would be entitled to survivor benefits? Would the government need to treat each spouse equally? That wouldn`t be fair to non polygamous tax payers. What about divorce? Would a wife be allowed to divorce a sister wife? Polygamy was legal in America long enough for legislators to realize it just doesn`t work.

    @skypirate, Nobody cares what you think of it because it`s none of your damn business.
  82. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 10:21 am
    madest

    "CJ, You are indeed trolling."

    Why not ban-hammer crakrjak? Comparing same-sex marriage to raping animals and children is hate speech. It incites violence against GLBTQ people. His frequent expressions of malice and contempt trigger flame wars here that suck the humor right out of the joint.

    Oh, and regarding polygamy - it is an ancient traditional form of heterosexual marriage, and if one really wants to prevent it, one would ban heterosexuals from getting married.
  83. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 10:25 am
    @Heureux, It wasn`t hate speech it was merely stupid speech.
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    scubasteve93 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 10:25 am
    Marriage is about love, and it only has to pertain to religion as much as you want it to. Marriage is two people loving and trusting the other enough to vow their lives to each other(whether it stays that way is a whole other can of worms). I`ve seen gay couples that exemplify this much much more than some straight couples, so more power to them.
  85. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 11:19 am
    CrackrJak is a moron. We`ve all known this for ages. What`s with all the hostility?
  86. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Anyway I`m not particularly pleased about this post. America is not a very socially developed country, but it is moving somewhere, despite what some may think.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    June 25, 2011 at 11:23 am
    I heard this on the news this morning when I woke. How nice- good news when you have morning coffee starts the day well. I wish all those about to take the step a happy life together...
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 11:37 am
    Today marriage, tomorrow marijuana.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    skypirate, Nobody cares what you think of it because it`s none of your damn business.

    obviously you care enough to comment :-D


    and you`re a little off about polygamy. its illegal because the practice is inherently bad for men as a whole, and they`re the ones that run/ran the country.
  90. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    madest: Since the definition of marriage (and many other legal terms nowadays) is now malleable, How will you or anyone else be able stop the word from being abused further ? Answer, You can`t and won`t be able to.

    When the beginning of life was redefined to birth instead of conception we got the horror of late-term abortions, that people back then said would never happen as well.

    It`s called unintended consequences, although I do believe that some liberals do intend those consequences to break up what is left of normal society.

    Heureux: I didn`t `compare` gay marriage to anything, just listed what I believe may be down the road in the near future. I`ve NEVER incited violence toward anyone here. If you can`t handle honest debate then perhaps it is you that has the `malice and contempt` sir.
  91. Profile photo of Monique_D
    Monique_D Female 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    I do believe that some liberals do intend those consequences to break up what is left of normal society.
    You seriously believe that? You obviously don`t have a clue what real-life liberals think and believe.
  92. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Monique_D: I said `Some` not all, the same some that would love to trash our constitution and substitute it with some creation of their own.

    I believe most liberals go along with their leaders ideals because they want to be thought of as just as hip and progressive as the celebrities they idolize. It takes guts and firm moral resolve to be a conservative, all it takes to be a liberal is just the willingness to be a sheep like the rest.
  93. Profile photo of jteachey1
    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    There is no "honest debate" when it comes to this issue. It goes without saying that this is about basic human rights. The fact that we are just starting to allow this in 2011 is absolutely ridiculous but better late than never.
  94. Profile photo of jteachey1
    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    The irony really hurts there CrakrJak. The Constitution hasn`t meant anything for a while. You can thank the Patriot Act for that. Oh, and do me a favor. Go find the topic of Marriage in the Constitution. Tell me what it says...
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    Monique_D Female 18-29
    33 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    CrakrJak, those "some" people you worry about do not exist.

    Those "most liberals" you describe also do not exist.

    All it takes to be a conservative such as yourself, apparently, is to believe things about liberals that are 100% false.
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    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
    95 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    Well, as long as America is going to heck in a handbasket anyway, why not go out in style like Sodom and Gomorrah?
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
    2033 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    Oh well way to go NY. First comes gay marriage, soon you have horses marrying ghosts! Its a slippery slope, damnit!
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    Lillim Female 30-39
    269 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 2:17 pm
    SlothOfDoom,
    "Oh well way to go NY. First comes gay marriage, soon you have horses marrying ghosts! Its a slippery slope, damnit!"

    I`m assuming/ hoping this is tongue-in-cheek sarcasm?
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    cossack10 Male 18-29
    50 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    I don`t actually understand how a topic such as this need actually be discussed in modern society. It should just be taken for granted. It`s barbaric to think that people still oppose it =/
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    personally, i dont agree with gay marriage. marriage is a religious affair. why would you want to join a club that doest want you (goes for all you atheists as well)? go start your own thing. if you want equal political rights ill support you 100% but ill never consider you `married`.

    One of your predicates is wrong, so your conclusion is therefore wrong.

    Main counter:

    Marriage is not a religious affair. It is, was and always has been primarily or solely a legal matter. It`s only in some places at some times that a religion has been able to acquire enough power to seize marriage as a form of control.

    Secondary counter:

    Since it`s the word `marriage` you`re on about, then the most relevant religion would be the ancient Roman pantheon, since the word comes from pre-Christian Rome. I suggest that sacrificing to Juno would be appropriate, but of course religion was optional in marriage then, as it is now.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    madest: Since the definition of marriage (and many other legal terms nowadays) is now malleable, How will you or anyone else be able stop the word from being abused further ? Answer, You can`t and won`t be able to.

    Yes, yes! We should return to the original meaning of marriage and enforce that by law!

    Obviously, that would mean outlawing Christianity in marriage since Christianity was just an abuse of a malleable definition of `marriage`.

    Are you sure that`s what you meant, CrakrJak?
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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
    985 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    Silly Christans having a problem with gay marriage.
    Go change your own teachings so you can divorce and have a complete fit over two people who love each other marrying.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
    2346 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    Marriage is not a religious affair. It is, was and always has been primarily or solely a legal matter.

    the word marriage appears in the bible 25 times. it appears in the constitution 0 times. so im afraid your grossly mistaken. in our country (not yours) its a religious affair. and again, my whole point is that marriage and government should be separate. so, if `religion` wants to let you in their club good for them. if they hate you, its their right to do so.

    most relevant religion would be the ancient Roman pantheon

    no it wouldnt...remember why the pilgrims left in the first place? this (our) country was founded by atheists/agnostics and built primarily by Christians. Polytheism played little part.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    the word marriage appears in the bible 25 times.

    Except that it doesn`t, since the bible wasn`t written in English.

    We`re talking about the *original* meaning, remember? There weren`t any English versions of the bible until quite recently. The word `marriage` greatly predates them, so it`s silly to take them as the original meaning.

    in our country (not yours) its a religious affair.

    No it isn`t. You have secular marriages. Marriage has many secular results in the USA (legal rights, effects on taxation).

    no it wouldnt...remember why the pilgrims left in the first place?

    The pilgrims did not leave Iron Age Rome. You`re out by a couple of thousand years. The subject was the original meaning of the word `marriage`, which can be traced back to early Rome.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    and again, my whole point is that marriage and government should be separate.

    So you`re advocating the removal of *all* legal rights and recognition of marriage? If you aren`t, then you aren`t advocating that marriage and government should be seperate.

    so, if `religion` wants to let you in their club good for them. if they hate you, its their right to do so.

    I agree, but that`s irrelevant to marriage. It would mean that religious groups should be free to choose whether or not to grant religious approval to a marriage, but it has nothing to do with the marriage itself.

    If you genuinely remove government from marriage, you`re left with marriage as vows of commitment between two people to each other, i.e. a wedding (from the O.E. `weddian`, meaning `to vow`). Which is a matter of honour, not religion.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    "Just another step toward the legalization of polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality."

    This is where your thoughts go CrakrJak? To pedophilia? To bestiality? You`re one sick bastard. I hope for the good of the world that you are sterile.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    I think any consenting adults should be able to legally marry in whatever configuration they wish.

    2 people, 3 people, 10 people...since government feels it necessary to have marriage laws (which they shouldn`t) then it should be treated as a simple contract. Any number of people can make a legal contract.

    As far as churches go - if a church chooses not to sanctify a marriage, so be it. That has zero bearing on it`s legality. Zero.
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    kangoala Male 18-29
    702 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    @ anyone who opposes same-sex marriage.

    You`ve lost. Get over it. Go and find something a little more logically ambiguous to fight over.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:41 am
    It`s called unintended consequences


    As far as I can tell it looks like it takes a REAL idiot to be a (social) conservative. No rational person here is going to believe this argument so long as you keep invoking the slippery slope fallacy.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:43 am
    and again, my whole point is that marriage and government should be separate.

    That`d be fine, allow a person himself to determine who can inherit his/her belongings and who has visitation rights when they become ill/seriously injured.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 2:45 am
    Then again if the federal and state govts were to stop recognizing marriages altogether EVERYONE would be angry.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 6:41 am
    [quote">Last I checked, sodomy (oral and anal sex) is illegal in all 50 states, and it carries hefty prison time.[/quote">


    Nope
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 6:43 am
    Further @auburnjunky

    Okay they`re still on the books but they`re no longer allowed to enforce them.
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    Dhharrgoww Male 18-29
    101 posts
    June 26, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Good.

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