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    Yuewolf Male 13-17
    19 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 7:56 am
    Link: America, This Is Why You`re In Total Debt - The system sucks ass.
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    savemejebus Female 30-39
    143 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:11 am
    Sometimes, I really hate this country. Wanted to move to Canada till Vancouver happened. *sigh* Well at least he`s not homeless anymore.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:17 am
    If he had brought the bank to its knees, they`d have given him a bonus.
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    ATL1EN Male 18-29
    622 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:18 am
    wow, fin retards. this is not why were in dept.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:20 am

    "Wanted to move to Canada till Vancouver happened."

    I hope that`s satire, because something like the Vancouver riot rarely happens, and I could go on a rant about bad things in the US, but I don`t have enough characters to do that here.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:21 am
    @savemejebus, why not just move somewhere outside of vancouver? there`s plenty of space :D
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    wyrwich Male 18-29
    91 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:23 am
    He went to jail to receive food and shelter. He`s actually smart.
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    mitha Male 18-29
    269 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:24 am
    While this is indeed kinda wrong, I don`t see any link to the national debt (I assume that is meant in the title).
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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:25 am
    I don`t see why the prison term should be decided by the amount of money stolen. That seems like a bad way to go about things. Both scenarios are also completely different and should not be treated the same. It`s a lot more aggressive when you go into a public place used for holding peoples money and demand things that aren`t yours with a hand under your jacket meaning he could have had a weapon. In the 3 billion case he`s not demonstrating he`s an actual threat to the immediate safety of people, not so in the $100 dollar case.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:27 am
    well, saveme - you can certainly move to Canada, just don`t move anywhere with a major sports team. I mean, we really only have 1 baseball, 2 basketball (but who really cares about that?), about 6 hockey (might be missing some), and Canadian football (again... lol!)
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
    542 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:27 am
    well it`s robbery with a weapon so of course it`s a big jail sentence. and the first guy had plenty of expensive lawyers to lessen his sentence.

    there you go. got it all figured out for you
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
    406 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:35 am
    Greed. Is there a cure?
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    Buzzard250 Male 18-29
    342 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:36 am
    Wow tells you how hypocritical we are. That 100 dollars the homeless guy stole doesn`t effect the people as much or at all compared to a 3 billion dollar fraud.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:36 am
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:39 am
    Firstly, i want to emphasize the gravity of pointing a gun or a knife to another human. Having someone threathening to take your life, is a severe act of violence that causes trauma, like depression, anxiety etc. and it can end in tragedy - like devorce or drug dependency. Armed robbery is not about how much cash you get. $100 or $1.000.000 is not the main point. It`s about the violence you inflict upon another human being.

    With that being said, it`s good to see that at least one banker has been held responsible. This is just the tip of the iceberg though.

    Example: Alan Greenspan has admitted that he let pass financial models that he did not understand, because he thought that regulation was the oposite of what he thought was good for the economy. That alone is negligent, and should qualify for him being personally liable for neglecting his duties, partly causing the Wall Street crashing.
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    JoeYC Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 8:44 am
    dave32891, so the moral is, if your going to steal, get as much as you can to pay for laywers to lessen the charge?
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    dustercat21 Female 18-29
    121 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:47 am
    It`s not about the amount of money stolen, its about out economy`s stability. If you put this guy with that much money and stature, the state would wind up paying more taxes to keep him in prison. Compared to that, a homeless guy has no stature nor any accumulated wealth therefore his tax wouldnt be as high to hold him in prison longer. Moral of the story, its the idea that no matter what the tax, the person with the worse crime should be put away for the proper amount of time for the crime they committed not based on how much money it would cost the state to keep them there. Now the only down side to the fair crime fair sentence, is that if you do put people like the 3 billion dollar man is that it would raise state tax.
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    JayElDoubleU Male 13-17
    87 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 8:58 am
    They never stated he had a weapon he had his hand under his coat, and if he needed $100 for the detox center my guess is he didn`t have one in the first place.
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
    535 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:01 am
    This....this just enrages me to the point of sadness.
    And speaking as someone who has had a gun pointed at me on two separate occasions (one - an armed robbery where I work, the second an attempted mugging), Roy Brown does not deserve 15 years.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:08 am
    @JayEl(something) yes there are mitigating curcumstances, and several of them, and i stand corrected for saying he pointed something at someone. I also think that 15 years is insane, but i think that is more of a political, rather than a legal debate. Still, he threathened to take a persons life, faking a weapon makes little difference to the person being threathened. The horror of possibly losing your life is as clear and present as it would be during a "traditional" robbery.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:10 am
    Rich white man vs colored poor man. That is the only difference. The latter doesn`t have a lobbyist in his back pocket.
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    trippy25 Male 18-29
    340 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:12 am
    thats some fudged up poo
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:15 am
    Simle question remain, was this his third felony? if it is his 3rd felony then it doesnt matter what he did, robbing a bank or stealing a piece of Pizza, 3 strikes and you are out. Dont feel sorry for someone that has had many chances before.
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    OliveHaze Female 18-29
    29 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:16 am
    It`s messed up that they put him in prison for 15 years. They should have sent him to a rehab center or a psychiatric hospital.
    It pisses me off that no one with power tries to better society. And all society does to people who commit huge crimes is reinforce the behavior.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:17 am
    wait their is a difference in the standards between filthy fuqking rich people and the destitute?

    will wonders ever cease.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:20 am
    Now he has food AND a place to live.
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    xerch Male 18-29
    195 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:23 am
    drat the law!!! White neck thieves are thieves, just because they don`t scream to get the money makes them less thieves??? $3 billion and 40 months!? Thats why we are going to drat ourselves!
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    TheGodofFail Male 13-17
    126 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:24 am
    And do you see how the homeless guy has a set of morals? He turned himself in because "His mother didn`t raise him that way." The rich dude prolly felt nothing while he was stealing all that money.
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    jebusis8 Male 40-49
    4 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:24 am
    this country isn`t going to last another 50 years at this rate
  30. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:27 am
    15 years is just ridiculous... If you`re going to put him somewhere on tax-payer funds, make it somewhere with a chance of turning him into a productive citizen... Not our already overloaded, crappy prison system that churns out more criminals than it puts in half the time...

    As for the $3 billion scheme... That guy should be shot outright, honestly. If anyone is the cause behind America`s downfall, it`s people like him that live far beyond their means then cheat and white-collar crime to make up for the difference between what they earn and what they spend.
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    rogue_knight Male 40-49
    868 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:28 am
    I think they both should get a minimum of 15 years!
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    Renaud- Male 18-29
    423 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:29 am
    Y u so racist America?
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
    1440 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:34 am
    That is messed up.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
    1582 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:36 am
    Wow, the guy felt guilty and turned himself in.. and the cooperation drated over millions and don`t even drating care.. I may laugh at racism because most of the time it`s pretty funny to see... but this is just drated up.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 9:37 am
    Pretty obvious the second one was down to racism.
  36. Profile photo of GasMaskKid
    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
    694 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:51 am
    The people behind the Sony cyber attacks are getting at most 3 years. This is confusing.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11741 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 9:53 am
    Yep.....this country sucks. Old news.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:01 am
    Wow, why is no one here looking at the law. So what if he got 15 years for 100$. it doesnt matter if he turned himself in. its a felony. If it his third felony, its an automatic sentence. the judge actually went light on him because the 3 strikes you`re out rule states that its an automatic 20 years. he got 5 years off. i say he got off easy.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:03 am
    Oh dear...
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    snider029 Male 18-29
    21 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:10 am
    maybe he got 15 years as a mercy sentence 3 meals a day and a place to sleep its way better then the streets
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    Jizzms Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 10:14 am
    Steelgrid: You`re missing the entire point of prison. Its there to rehabilitate those who do wrong. The $100 robber KNOWS he did wrong and felt remorseful about his actions. Giving him 15 years ever after he knows he did wrong and feels bad about it just following the law blindly and not showing understanding of the people its affected.
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    EntrE Male 18-29
    535 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:18 am
    U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
    no but seriously, i don`t think there`s a single country that doesn`t have a messed up legislative
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    Lobotomy Male 13-17
    495 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:21 am
    @Steelgrid Yeah, but it`s still stupid.
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    martinikene Male 18-29
    306 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:24 am
    And then some rapist/pedophile walks free since he has a good lawyer and a lot of money.
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    KonanXIX Male 18-29
    14 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:32 am
    @Steelgrid- It`s over-educated idiots like you that make this country`s legal system suck. And yes you read that right. People with a few degrees who think they understand the system, and see the law as black and white. The law is gray, and always will be. Unfortunately people like you who are devoid of common sense fail to realize this. Thus you think every letter of the law applies.

    Common sense must always be applied to the law, when it`s not you end up with great injustices like the one posted above.

    So in answer to your question: We are looking at the law, and we see it as inapplicable in this case. Something the judge should have seen as well.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32796 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:38 am
    "This is not a court of `justice` it is a court of `Law`" (quote of some heartless Judge ie: you`ll find no justice in the American, Canadian, British & etc court system, eh?)
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    kusanagi Male 18-29
    183 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 10:54 am
    You guys are looking at this all wrong. The judge took pity on the homeless guy and gave him 15 years of free food and medical attention with a bed to sleep on. At least, that`s what Im going to believe dangit!
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
    1231 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:02 am
    Hang on a minute; this guy stole $100, and achieved more immediately after the crime than many prisoners ever will (remorse), and how much is it going to cost the US tax payer to keep him in prison for 15 years? for what reason?
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    lazerdude Male 13-17
    221 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:18 am
    The fact that this happened in America explains it all.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 11:20 am
    It`s over-educated idiots like you that make this country`s legal system suck.
    That`s a bit of an oxymoron doncha think? Also, I don`t think he`s over educated.

    ALSO, WTF is "over-educated" anyway? That doesn`t make sense at all.

    Yes. This picture shows a contradiction in your legal system.

    Is prison the new welfare? Maybe.

    In the end though, he gets fed and a roof, so in that way it`s a happy ending for him.

    As for the fraudster, how about you make him pay back what he stole out of his massive salary, and THEN throw him in jail? That way everyone wins except him. Who knows where that $3B went... I could build a mile high skyscraper with that kind of dough.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:35 am
    >>>As for the $3 billion scheme... <<<

    >>> The $100 robber<<<<

    What was the CEO`s involvement in the scheme? How much was actually taken in the scheme? Did the bank robber have a gun? Etc. Did one or the other have prior offenses? All of these are factors.

  52. Profile photo of Revolutioniz
    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
    911 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:46 am
    @dang007 dont be stupid.. it`s governmental bias, wake up redneck. this government conspiracy thing is right up your alley
  53. Profile photo of NOCASH
    NOCASH Male 18-29
    423 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 11:55 am
    The prison the fraud guy is staying at is likely nicer then any of the peoples houses on this website, he`ll be taking a three year vacation essentially.
  54. Profile photo of krisley
    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    ... WHAT THE FUGGITY drat!?

    :@ :@ :@ :@ :@

    That is all.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    @dang007: The only relevant question should be "Which one caused the most suffering?"
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    June 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    "Steelgrid: You`re missing the entire point of prison. Its there to rehabilitate those who do wrong"

    NO, it is there to PUNISH those who do wrong, not rehabilitate. If rehab takes place, great, but that`s NOT why you`re sent to prison.
  57. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    "How much was actually taken in the scheme?"

    If it was less than $100, you can drat me up the ass with a building of your choice.
  58. Profile photo of Ender27
    Ender27 Male 18-29
    104 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    aw great... i moved to shreveport a few months ago too.... :(
  59. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    Quick bit of research, the former caused the financial ruin of about 2000 people, as well as the collapse of two companies. He and his friends profited by hundreds of millions.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    The rich getting away with terrible things is not exclusive to the USA and is nothing new.
  61. Profile photo of JDplaysFF
    JDplaysFF Male 30-39
    626 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    Third story about a guy who DOESN`T commit a crime, lives a normal happy life, and doesn`t go to jail. We`re all good here.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    The only significant difference is that the robber supposedly threatened the lives of people at the bank. The CEO didn`t threaten people with a gun. Still, 15 years is enough to completely destroy some one`s life. Extreme overreaction.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:47 pm
    Lady liberty isn`t blind. She can hear the coin land on her scale and she can smell money.
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    abby0315 Female 30-39
    1242 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 1:55 pm
    Maybe, just maybe it was his plan to get put in jail. He WILL get three meals a day, medical, dental, a bed with clean sheets, etc. I`m not saying that he did this, but it is a possibility.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 2:05 pm
    That sucks. But the homeless man is probably doing better then before
  66. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    June 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm
    Legality is not always just, ergo justice is not always legal. Laws are made to comfort those with the ability to dictate them. Morality is considered to be the defining means yet it is as well dictated by social acceptance, (remember the two gay guys that got 25 yrs hard labour for being gay?). Logic is the only truth, what you have may be taken away, and what you want may never be achieved, but the realization that survival of the fittest is obselete is only perceived by those who have not the means.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
    3621 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    what if the judge knew what prison he would be sendt to, and it is a nice prison where the man will get help, a proffesion or a mean to life other than trying to stay alive?

    probably isn`t like that, but just a thought
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    At least he will be confined from drugs, have health care, food, and a roof over his head now.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
    1356 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    what? ye just noticed now?
  70. Profile photo of Sachi001
    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Hmm...I believe the feds have different types of prisons as well. You can pay for an upgrade to a hotel type suite along with your own prison guard concierge.
  71. Profile photo of Sachi001
    Sachi001 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    Yes I`m sure he is just enjoying taking it up the butt.
  72. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Be proud, America.. Be proud..
  73. Profile photo of teq78
    teq78 Male 30-39
    216 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    proud america
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    skytz1337 Male 18-29
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    June 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    he`s a fking genius!!!! ... think about it...he gets 15 years of free food + a bed
  75. Profile photo of zfolwick
    zfolwick Male 18-29
    22 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    actually it`s probably a mercy the courts did for him. He`ll get job retraining and hopefully a crummy job afterwards...

    the exec though should have to walk a gauntlet of duped customers/investors who lost out and suffer beaten with tazers and hickory switches.
  76. Profile photo of Supersyko
    Supersyko Male 18-29
    314 posts
    June 24, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    Also, get this, the prizon that the CEO gets put in, each person has thier own room, AC, Gourmet food, TVs in each room, and a nice view, while the latter gets just the opposite, also, ass rape.
  77. Profile photo of xCYBERDYNEx
    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    June 25, 2011 at 12:26 am
    I don`t think the CEO should go to prison, I think we should hang him and burn his body while he`s still conscious. F*ck those bastards.
  78. Profile photo of MCMXCIII
    MCMXCIII Male 18-29
    356 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 12:32 am
    Duh, this is more common to the real world than goatse to IAB.
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    Mikeado Male 18-29
    2159 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 6:43 am
    At least in prison the homeless guy gets showers and food.
  80. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 6:43 am
    Here is another legal inequality for you:

    In Delaware, my former employer was robbed by an employee. They stole roughly about $5k.

    The officer assigned took two months to file a report.

    After a month and a half, we filed a complaint with the PD so that we could file the insurance claim and move on.

    I drove with a dealer tag back then...

    One hour after making the complaint, I am pulled out of traffic in a company vehicle and was told I was going 30 mph over the speed limit.

    Fine = over $200 total, and I was driving with the flow of traffic.

    The Dbag who ripped off the company recieved a $50 fine and probation.

    In Delaware you have to pay the police to do anything related to their job...and I mean pay them on the sly.
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    philipd412 Male 30-39
    49 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 8:01 am
    Money talks/BS walks!

  82. Profile photo of Enjin
    Enjin Male 30-39
    802 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 8:04 am

    "The maximum penalty for violation of this subsection is a fine and ten years imprisonment if the value of the property exceeds $100. The maximum penalty is a fine and one year imprisonment if the property`s value is $100 or less."

    Read for yourself.
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    Dr_Sexy Male 30-39
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    June 25, 2011 at 9:57 am
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    vetteguy007 Male 18-29
    48 posts
    June 25, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    The law is in need of serious reform. There are laws on the books based on every single aspect of life. All the law needs is a reason to give you a ticket and they can write you up for something. You can do something simple and get stuck hard by your offense. Not only do they make you pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to keep out of jail the law has thrown their share of bureaucracy in the mix. The issue with the law is that everybody wants to lock you up and never see you again. Everybody complains about a huge prison/jail overcrowding problem. Nobody thinks that the way the law is written makes it easy for offenders to have various repeat offenses than give them chances to redeem themselves. Rather than letting you be a productive member of society jail locks you up where you loose your job and when you get out you have to drive on a suspended license because they took it away or rob a man on the street because you lost your job when you were in jail. The system is a lost cause.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    June 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    Thats just crazy.
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    draino123 Male 30-39
    769 posts
    June 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    hes not homeless anymore!
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    Kimrn89 Male 18-29
    67 posts
    July 5, 2011 at 8:47 am
    Implying this to be fake is useless; Even if this should be, there are far worse bendings of the law out there, and poo needs to change regardless of the authenticity in this specific example.
    Fu ck you America.

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