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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 7:10 am
    Link: Why Stitches Cost $1,500 At The Hospital - The facts and the real reasons why healthcare in the USA costs so much.
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    Djer Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:31 am
    SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA! THE DEATH PANELS ARE COMING!

    Seriously, though, this all makes sense. The problem is that we`re too capitalistic a society in the US to have any real change happen quickly.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:35 am
    Yeah, mostly we pay people to find reasons not to cover our insurance. Of course if we eliminated the cost of advertising for insurance groups, and all of the mom medical non essential to medical practice part of the equation, the cost would drop significantly. But you have to understand, the U.S. economy is dependent on millions of people doing lots of nothing important in the real world. The problem with the world today is that the people in control of the majority of our resources are completely self serving, and have no intrest in the advancement of humankind.
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    stephg08 Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:37 am
    this is another reason why i love Canada so much.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:41 am
    While I agree with the overall message, this inforgraph is dumbed down and occasionally wrong:

    The richest and most advanced country in the world, the United States...
    Nope.

    Anyway, your system sucks. That is obvious.

    Personally, if I had to pay the cost of a gaming computer just to get stitches, I`d sew them myself.
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    614188 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:46 am
    it cost me about 5 usd to see a doctor and taiwan has the best health insurance ever
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    kingslook Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:50 am
    The comment about physicians being overpaid is completely false and inaccurate. This is actually a diversion tech. that will prevent us from really fixing the problems. Insurance companies, hospital administrators, pharmaceutical co., implant co., etc.; these are the people making money in medicine. They also have the strongest lobbyists in Wash., so we will go on believing that physicians are driving up the cost of medicine. Open your eyes America, if you want to solve this problem.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Why shouldn`t doctors be paid well?
    They did a lot of hard work and made a lot of personal sacrifices to get where they are.

    It`s expensive because hospitals are For-Profit Companies.
    The days of charity hospitals are over. Most of them closed down.

    Insurance companies are billed half of what you or I are billed for the same thing.

    But the richest nation on earth cannot afford a national health care program. Why? Politician don`t represent people, they represent the corporations who financed their compains... libbyists for the insurance industry, drug companies, etc.

    The golden age of the U.S. is over and it`s a race to the bottom for the average guy.

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    Flibmeister Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:56 am
    suck my national health service mwaaaaaaaa
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    DownWithDDT Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:02 am
    only bad logic i can see is that percentages arent always accurate. for instance, we have the lowest percentage population of elderly. but 13% of 350 million is a lot more than 15% of 60 million. america almost has as many eldery people as the UK has people period. im just looking at logic though haha. i could give a poo about the politics behind this.
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    torisen Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:03 am
    Actually, we pay for R&D and uninsured.

    I don`t have time or inclination do find the sources, but it`s not hard to find.

    Most doctors don`t make huge paychecks, specialists (cardiac surgeons, neuro, oncology, etc) make significantly more, but the amount of their time and money that`s sacrificed to education is staggering. I`m not in medicine, but I know these people personally, I know what they make.

    The two big hits are R&D and Uninsured care. US companies develop the VAST majority of drugs and treatments used around the world, and IP copyright laws around the world very rarely prevent knock-offs from cropping up and ripping off our development, so we`re subsidizing the world. Hospitals are also not allowed by law to turn away patients for non-payment, so many low or no income people (or people who just give bad info `cause they don`t WANT to pay) just walk away from bills and those of us that DO pay cover them too.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Oh great, another healthcare post. Trying to argue this is like trying to argue what caused the housing bubble. I don`t have the energy for that today.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:11 am
    Doctors are NOT overpaid.

    They spend about a decade of their life being trained for this job, paying out the ASS for all of that schooling, and then they go to work where the responsibility to save your life falls on their shoulders.

    ...no, you`re right. We should pay them the same as burger-flippers. Doctors are a dime a dozen.

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    Tehorn Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:16 am
    The first sentence is the best: "The richest and most advanced country in the World, the united states". Ain`t that a bit too arrogant considering, where china is right now and that the US exist merely 230? But you cannot blame every american for the stuff one internet-chart-creator wrote...
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:18 am
    I love how people are defending the American healthcare system. Ok, if you pay more, you get more... BUT...

    IF-YOU-DON`T-HAVE-THE-MONEY- THEY-WILL-SWITCH-OFF-YOUR-MACHINE

    People criticise the NHS, fair dos, it has problems but at least if I get ill, I can go straight in and they will treat me FOR FREE. In America, if you can`t afford the treatment, you`re dead.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:23 am
    It`s expensive because hospitals are For-Profit Companies.
    That is a good albeit obvious point gerry. They should have put it in the infograph.

    Makes me want to invest in american hospitals. Who knows what kind of return I`d get!
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:29 am
    Yep- this is why I`m probably gonna look for work overseas once I have my masters and a couple years experience as an RN. I`ll be able to get paid well in the US, but I`d rather work in a system with better access.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:36 am
    I dunno, I got charged me an arm and a leg for my OBGYN to tell me at my 11 week prenatal exam that my blood work was normal. They could`ve just called me, but instead sent me a huge bill for my doctor to sit with me for a grand total of 5 minutes. I waited much longer in the lobby. It was ridiculous.

    On a positive note, I do have government health care (well, in the process of getting it). Yes, Europeans and Canadians, we have those too (through my state). It has been a long process to get it approved, though. It expires after my baby is born... but alas, at least I won`t have to pay for prenatal care. >.>
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:38 am
    Haha I might, might, agree with some of that stuff, but saying doctors are overpaid? That`s bull.
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    Pandabee Female 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:38 am
    The NHS isn`t perfect, but if I need to dial 999, my first thought isn`t `can I afford it?`. It`s `how quickly can you get here?`
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Americans drink MORE than Canadians??? WTF???
    I`ll fix that! Look out liver, it`s going to be a loooong weekend!
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    cjap2011 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:49 am
    I can agree with most of this. However, I don`t agree that doctors are over-paid.

    I was talking to my physician when I broke my finger. It was broken in 2 places, and fractured in another. He has required to attend school for 16 years AFTER high school in order to be completely done with his education. I would think that for that type of dedication, as well as long hours and extreme amounts of stress involved, physician`s are making an ideal salary.
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    scuzzy Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:52 am
    beternal - not sure where you got the idea that if you "can`t pay they`ll turn off your machine" since this is completely wrong. State-funded teaching hospitals receive funds to compensate for all the uninsured deadbeats that they keep alive.

    torisen - agree with you, good post

    Regarding the outpt costs being high, it`s a lot cheaper to do an outpatient hernia repair than keeping somebody overnight in the hospital so I don`t see how this is a bad thing.
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    netro Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:02 am
    @5Cats I`m with you man ..LETS DO THIS!!!
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:10 am
    lol, you guys are screwed.
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    DCBizzle Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:22 am
    with the old people thing, i think more american elderly are coming to Canada because of our healthcare amirite
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:28 am
    Thats why I try to stay away from the doctor.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Well, here`s one big problem with this infographic:

    The US government is less involved in price regulation, so Americans have less power over health care costs

    Too much government involvement is part of the problem, but the big issue is 3rd party payers (insurance companies). American patients do not consider costs when buying health care because it`s handled by insurance. So health care providers don`t worry about competing with each other on price, so they have no incentive to work hard to control costs.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:32 am
    I still don`t get why a lot of Americans are so against Obama`s health care plan, calling him a socialist, etc.
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    Mantolwen Female 18-29
    387 posts
    May 10, 2011 at 11:54 am
    I love the NHS! It keeps me alive, and now Scotland have scrapped prescription charges I don`t have to pay anything.
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    duckflash Female 13-17
    570 posts
    May 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    Im so not living in America... and when i visit it, I`ll just be reeeeal careful where i put my feet.
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    botfly Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    BS propaganda
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    Lukgeezy Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    Ugh.. no... not bored enough!
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    herouk87 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    couldn`t be bothered to read it..then again, I live in the UK...thank you NHS!!!
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    startech Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Sucks to be you guys... I live in Canada. I think I`ll go to the emergency room right now just to make sure all the eye bleach I`ve had to use looking at IAB hasn`t done any permanent damage.
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    dustpan56 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    I don`t agree that doctors make too much. I think that someone with a position of such enormous responsibility over someone`s livelihood should be compensated well.

    There`s an old blog from WSJ which discusses how some airline pilots make close to McDonald`s wages. Kind of a scary thought considering your life is in their hands.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    Actually doctors are not paid that much, especially starting out. Most new doctors also have huge student loans to pay off because medical universities are some of the most expensive to attend in the country.

    Malpractice is a huge problem, tort reform would lower insurance costs immensely not only for doctors and hospitals but for patients as well.

    Outpatient costs are out of control because patients are treated like they are in an assembly line. Instead of rushing patients out the door and then dealing with subsequent infections and complications more inpatient care is necessary.

    Administrative costs are skyrocketing, Obamacare will only make this worse. If you thought insurance companies are hard to deal with try dealing with a bureaucrat like those at the DMV. Wait times to see a doctor are already rising, In Massachusetts the wait to see a doctor has increased from 34 days to 42 days.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Again, thank god for the NHS. Here in the UK, if I need stitches, I go to hospital and they give me stitches. Then I go home. I don`t even need my wallet on me.
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    Jofferwry Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    @herouk I think it`s time we got used to seeing this, thanks to David Cameron and his band of p*ssies for starting to privatise the hell out of our NHS
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    oh I`m sorry, I couldn`t read this all the way over here with my free health care system.

    Now excuse me whilst I go take a regular health check at the doctors, for free, just for the heck of it. Might ask for some free prescriptions whilst I`m there, oh and then I might fall over and check in free at the hospital, where they will pay me whatever the cab fare was to get there.

    -peace out
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    "The US government is less involved price regulation, so Americans have less power over health care costs"

    While I agree with the second part of that statement, the first part is utter bullS.

    The reason why we have no power over costs is because there is no competion. There is no competion because of various reasons including length of patents.

    This is just more "big government is good, corporations are bad" BS that the media tries to feed idiots.
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    N-Vet Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    Someone has to pay the R&D costs for new drugs... U.S. Citizens can thank all the countries with severe drug price controls for our high drug costs. The companies have to recoup it somewhere, and if they can`t they will stop researching new drugs....
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    I honestly don`t mind any part of our health care system. While it may be expensive, my view is that I`m paying for quality. The US has the best hospitals in the world and I`m more than happy to pay in order to keep it that way. All of the finest physicians come from around the world to practice here because they know this is where the money is made. I`ll pay the best doctor to heal me while the rest of the world keeps the dregs of med school.
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    U jelly, Americafags?

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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    @neo

    No. As I said, I have health care that the government pays for. :)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    The big corporations make too much money to ever let us get a better system. No, I`m not a looney conspiracty/socialista.

    Canada has a fine pharmaceutical industry that makes very safe drugs. But it`s illegal for U.S. citizens to purchase prescriptions from Canadian companies... why?

    Because the Pharmaceutical companies bought the candidates and had them pass a bill making it illegal.

    I rest my case....... that doesn`t mean I`ll shut up, just gonna rest a bit
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    Any "fact" that you choose to believe is true, if you`re closed-minded.
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    EntrE Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    @honkeylips
    bullsh*t! that is pure speculation and simply not true. you maybe wish it was that way, but that doesn`t make it a reality
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    Raptorkat Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm
    being a hospital administrator.. I suggest you don`t change! I don`t like taking a pay cut right out of college.
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
    1091 posts
    May 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    I work in a dentist office, and we accept public aide patients who are on a medicaid card and, It would be safe to say 98 percent of our patients are public aide, and we are the only Dentist office that will accept a medical card in this area, we work about 4 days a week, and in those 4 days we are there for about 12 hours in that day, and we can see anywhere from 75-100 patients a day with one dentist and 5 assistants..we take care of alot of people who sit in emergency rooms all night over tooth pain, our dentist does tooth extractions, fillings,dentures,cleanings,checkups for children and anything the medical card will cover. We are in very high demand, however we are also the only ones in this area that do this, and we see alot of people with smiles on their faces becuase we helped them either get out of really bad tooth pain, or helped them to achieve a new smile or maintain healthy teeth, and that to me is worth going to work everyday..
    P.S. I know Iam a horrble speller LOL
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    @ EntrE
    WOW!!! That sure is a lot of red, white, and blue on that list. http://hospitals.webometrics.info/top2000.asp
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    I`m a type 1 diabetic and honestly i`m so happy that I live in the UK... Do you know how much money having this condition would`ve cost me in the US? It`s mental! Over here it`s free, I can see a doctor whenever I want about whatever I want and all it takes is a phone call. I can talk to my diabetic nurse about my condition, my practice nurse, my consultant, my GP, my chiropodist, my oncologist, all within a weeks notice for absolutely nothing. People say the NHS in the UK is busted but tbh i`ve received nothing but support since I was diagnosed 6 years ago. I can go to another city entirely and ask for my prescription and it`ll be available thanks to the new IT system they have up and running now. If I run out of insulin, it takes me <1 hour to get a new batch of medication sorted. Really, the NHS is pretty sweet.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    right e o
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    Personally, I think they get paid the right ammount, considering the cost of classes for that and the fact that youre working to save human lives (which in my book have an innumerable value). Also, the government shouldnt regulate the price of those goods, as it will in time lead to them controlling the price of other goods.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    Again, thank god for the NHS. Here in the UK, if I need stitches, I go to hospital and they give me stitches. Then I go home. I don`t even need my wallet on me.

    The NHS is somewhat like the British weather - we complain a great deal about it but it`s actually very good.

    I can walk a hundred yards and see a doctor without an appointment. Sure, I might have to wait maybe an hour if I didn`t have an appointment, but I just sit in the comfy chairs and read. Or I make an appointment in advance. If it was urgent, I could just go to the nearest hospital and get seen there.

    Recently, I`ve had 5 appointments with a doctor, 4 sets of blood tests and urine tests and an ultrasound scan. In a couple of weeks I`ll see a consultant and probably get additional scans as required. Ultrasound, CT, MRI, whatever is best.

    It`s good to know that the NHS has me covered for whatever I need.
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    dumbassbufet Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    like the average american would believe this. they`d call you a socialist, throw a rock at you, and have a massive coronary
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    Agree w/ everything except that doctor`s are paid too much. Med school isn`t cheap.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    Icedragon, you are profoundly stupid. Whenever the government doesn`t regulate a capitalist system it bulks up into huge monopolizing greedy monsters. Also known as CEOs.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm
    " In Massachusetts the wait to see a doctor has increased from 34 days to 42 days."

    What doctor is that? Doctor love? Honestly, I`ve never heard of waiting more than a day or two for a doctor around here...maybe a week. But most of the time you could walk-in and wait.

    What kind of bullpoo are you spewing here?
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    And our current gov`t want the emulate this poo. Hate it when Fascists use conservatism as a cover.
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    addler Male 13-17
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    May 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    Agree with everything except the fact that doctors are paid too much.

    Doctors lose many years of their lives in education
    They pay huge sums for their education
    Doctors work long hours
    The work a doctor does requires a skill set that is difficult to develop
    The medical professions are some of the few professions in the world where the work they do is purely for the good of people.

    For all of those reasons, I personally think they deserve to be paid so much. For all they give up, I don`t mind seeing a doctor enjoy a luxurious vacation from time to time.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    Astounding Administrative Costs

    Yes THIS is the #1 problem with Healthcare in America.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    [quote">The NHS is somewhat like the British weather[/quote">

    On the other hand such a system works for small nations for one peculiar reason.

    Lee Doren explains this very well

    I suggest fast forwarding to 7:50
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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    May 10, 2011 at 5:49 pm
    I don`t believe that doctors are overpaid, at all.

    I`m planning on becoming a reconstructive plastic surgeon, and I know I`ll be trading away 11-16 years of my life to train for that. I know I`m probably going to be spending probably another decade of my life paying off all of those loans, along with malpractice insurance, so it`s not like money is just being handed to surgeons unnecessarily.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Dr.s are overpaid? - I don`t think so.

    In fact, I think they should be paid more.

    Anytime a patient LIVES they should get a bonus.
    If he dies.... minimum wage.

    Incentives work!
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    I`m on my family`s insurance and because we have a lot of pre-existing conditions, we pay high monthly premiums, high co-pays, and the majority of the cost for our prescriptions. Now on the doctor side of things, I paid $60 for visit to change my birth control because I was getting migraines. The nurse practitioner (not even the actual gyno) didn`t disclose all the information to me and I found out later I couldn`t use this medicine. I decided to switch to a third prescription that I used in the past and had no side effects. The pharmacist said when this happened, they could talk to my doctor`s office and get it changed. Apparently, even though it`s only been 2 weeks, they needed me to pay another $60 for a second appointment. drating criminals.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    A few people told me that they charged quite a bit extra because they know a persons health insurance (those who have it) will pay for a large chunk of it. Also that they (doctors/insurance companies) know that a lot of people don`t actually pay their hospital bills. So, to get money they just jump the price up to get what bit of money they can .-.

    Interesting facts though.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    I do wish something would be done though. I turned 18, and I have a condition that requires me to go to the hospital at least once a month and get certain pills refilled every month and it is just adding up :c In the past 4 months since I`ve turned 18 I`ve already wracked up about 300 dollars in bills. .-.
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    huppamaniac Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:16 pm
    I pay about $250 per month in fuel. And I pay about $200 per month in health insurance. If I lived in the UK, where fuel price converts to roughly $8 per gallon, my fuel cost would double but my health insurance cost disappears?

    Strikes and gutters...
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Ah yes, of course, the answer is more government intervention. What you Europeans fail to realize is that you ARE paying for your healthcare, you just don`t see it, because it comes from taxes. Of course, socialists think the government should just take care of everything for us, because we are too stupid to make our own decisions.
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    cnsocialist Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    @huppamaniac well, in the uk you dont really needa drive
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    I fail to see how "doctors are overpaid" can be a fact, as opposed to an opinion. These people can have serious student loan debts from having pay for all their schooling, and then have to pay bills other people never consider, such as malpractice insurance.

    Other than that, I am usually not in favor of government intervention. A co-worker once told me the scariest words that could ever be uttered were, "I`m from the government, and I`m here to help." By passing legislation, things are typically mucked up even worse as private insurance companies find new loopholes to exploit. On the other hand, the "free market system" doesn`t work too well with insurance providers. Once one starts going down the path of squeezing customers for more money, they all typically go down the same road, leaving us with little choice. The public has very little say in the matter other than through legislation. It`s a vicious cycle we`re in.
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    Ruubin Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm
    Americans drink far less than most Europeans and Japanese.
    But in the pic the U.S is above Japan...
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    alibi19 Male 18-29
    73 posts
    May 10, 2011 at 9:07 pm
    I love how they suggest that the way to lower heath care costs is for government to regulate them...silly liberals, ask Soviet Russia why government imposed prices don`t work. A real, proven solution would be more competition in the market place.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 10, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    What you Europeans fail to realize is that you ARE paying for your healthcare, you just don`t see it, because it comes from taxes.

    Of course we realise that (although I`m not European, the same thing applies here). Nobody is thinking that it`s paid for by magic money from the faeries.

    We also realise that (a) we pay less per capita because our healthcare system is geared towards healthcare, not profit (b) we don`t have to worry about what our health insurance doesn`t cover and (c) poorer people can still afford it.
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    Ruubin Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    @alibi19
    Yeah... i kinda think drating Soviet Russia is the worst possible example and doesn`t further your point in any way possible.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 9:49 pm
    silly liberals, ask Soviet Russia why government imposed prices don`t work. A real, proven solution would be more competition in the market place.
    Silly conservatives, think anything to the left of conservatism = communism. And there are real, proven solutions out there - you just need to look at just about every other first-world country in the world. It`s called socialised healthcare.
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    VictoryRider Male 40-49
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    You can get stitches at a walk in clinic for $100 or less. The key is finding one that does stitches though.
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    itri Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    so who has read the book "How to Lie with Statistics"? mmmm I don`t get what the big whoop is, healthcare is a as free as you want or as expensive as you want. I had my kids on Healthy Familys, which was free health care and noticed no difference in care. Al the liberals are talking about is a change in the location of cost allocations. The Dr.s will still earn money the politicians will continue to earn bribes... no matter what party. If you really want to make a diff get off your but and run for office and quit complaining.
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    mntlmstrbtr Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:29 pm
    Anybody who thinks that doctors make too much money is welcome to help me pay the $275,000 that I`ve had to take out in student loans to earn my degree. Oh, and docs make barely enough to live on for 4-10 years after graduation as they finish residency. Nobody goes into medicine to get rich these days... I`m just saying.
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    mntlmstrbtr Male 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    Wow, why so much hate from Europe? We`re all happy for you that your healthcare is free - you have a totally different system than we have. For one thing, your doctors don`t have to pay to attend medical school. Your systems (and Australia`s and Canada`s as well, though I don`t know about countries in Asia) are fundamentally different from ours and have been for decades. Please don`t think you can just slap on some facsimile of what you currently have onto the American healthcare system and have it "fix" everything completely... it would just be a bandaid (ha-ha) and rest assured that plenty of people would get screwed in the process.
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    0Sigma0 Female 30-39
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    May 10, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    mntlmstrbtr - That might be so, but after working in the healthcare industry for 20 years, I`ve yet to see a doctor retire that wasn`t a millionaire.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 1:45 am
    Wow, why so much hate from Europe?
    Dude, it`s not hate. It`s quite the opposite. America is like Europe`s big brother. God knows you`ve helped us out of a hole more than once back in high school. But now that we`re all grown up, we`re trying to give some constructive advice.

    At one time, America was the world`s only true superpower. We`re just trying to show you some systems that we`ve tried and have worked. You paid a quarter of a million dollars for you medical education? Sorry, but that`s broken too.

    But goddam, are you guys ever resistant to any kind of change. The metric system springs to mind... there are three countries in the world that officially still use the Imperial system as the primary system of measurement. You know which ones they are? USA, Liberia, and Burma.

    Look, we`re not hating. We`d hate to see you become obsolete. Socialised healthcare works. It really does.

    We`re begging you to catch up.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 6:30 am
    "But goddam, are you guys ever resistant to any kind of change. The metric system springs to mind... Socialised healthcare works. It really does.

    We`re begging you to catch up."

    First of all, Americans are independent. We don`t believe in following other nations, even if they do think they are progressive. If your systems work for you, that is great, but it doesn`t mean we have to use your system too.

    As for the metric system, virtually every industry here uses standard units. If we were to force a switch, it would cause a lot of confusion and extra work. Think about all the tools and equipment that would have to be recalibrated, not to mention the humans that have to be retrained to understand the new measurements.

    By the way, we do use the metric system in science.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 11, 2011 at 6:35 am
    "You paid a quarter of a million dollars for you medical education? Sorry, but that`s broken too."

    You believe that capitalism in general is "broken," don`t you?
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    venice08 Male 18-29
    108 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 6:53 am
    @RETARDEDBEAR - Don`t stand up for Americans and our basakward "we`re the best" ways. Were not, we are just the best at saying we are the best. And if we did have to recalibrate the machines, how many people would that employ short term??? I`ll tell ya, all the out of work machine calibrators, there must be 10`s. Socialized healthcare works, so does transparency. Perhaps if you crossed the Hudson river more than once a year you could make an informed opinion instead of bloviating your tired USA bull pellets.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
    1623 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 7:08 am
    ""You paid a quarter of a million dollars for you medical education? Sorry, but that`s broken too."

    You believe that capitalism in general is "broken," don`t you?"

    American Capitalism is broken. It is an obvious fact.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
    266 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 7:50 am
    There`s not such thing as an overpaid doctor, as long as sports stars, actors and other useless people earn millions, im completely ok with doctors earning big bucks. They studied 10 years and they save drating lives. Plus if they felt they were underpaid.. well cops feel that too, and they tend to do nasty poo.
    In my country public healthcare is doing way better, but doctors often find their first 10 years of their career earning as little as twice the minimum, or even less.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:07 am
    Davy: ...there are real, proven solutions out there..

    Yes, They have proven to be bankrupting many countries and causing people to have to wait months to see a real doctor.

    I`ve read dozens of medical horror stories in the UK`s `Daily Mail`, that thankfully haven`t and hopefully won`t ever happen here (If we can get Obamacare repealed and get true health care reform).
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    philipd412 Male 30-39
    49 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:13 am
    Whoever says American Capitalism is broken clearly does`nt live here!
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    ericka225 Female 18-29
    219 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:16 am
    I had a throat infection a couple months ago.. i dont have insurance but my throat got so swollen and soar i couldn`t talk so i when`t to er. They gave me a steroid through iv and that made me throw up so they gave me something for that. He wrote me a prescription for an antibiotic n a pain killer.. cost $850.00
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    DaShiVa Male 30-39
    47 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:30 am
    All the people saying `Doctors aren`t getting paid too much` are totally missing the point. Doctors are getting paid too much, on average. Sure a lot of doctors aren`t, especially general doctors. The ones that are making too much, it`s not that they should be making `burger flipper` salary, but perhaps only 500k a year instead of 800k a year.
    Anyhows, I`m an perm.t resident of the US curently. I work FT and have health insurance through my job. Bit I still won`t see a doc here, and the one time I needed to I worked in a trip back to Aus to get it covered, as even _with_ insurance, I still can`t afford it in the US. Insurance only covers perhaps half the costs, and the costs are over twice what they would be in Aus, even if Aus didn`t have NHS, it`d still be cheaper even without insurance.
    Also, From what I have heard from friends and family both in Aus and the US (Dallas vs Sydney) The quality of medical care is far better in Aus under government funding.
    Also, Aus does pl
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    May 11, 2011 at 8:35 am
    "Whoever says American Capitalism is broken clearly does`nt live here!"

    Secluded in your middle class house in your middle class neighbourhood?
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
    758 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:39 am
    Fix our education system FIRST, then the healthcare system. We`re overpopulated as it is. Besides, it`d help the recent unemployment rise drastically, as well. I`m not saying that we need to ignore our healthcare debacle, just that there is something a little more important first.
    Someone here said something about Costa Rica being a beautiful place...I checked into it, and if I were able to, I`d be on my way there now.

    (Que the over-enthusiastic, blind patriots telling me to GTFO in 3, 2, 1...)
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
    758 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 8:43 am
    yoda- I totally agree with you. I don`t care if doctors earn millions, they deserve it. An actor? Sorry, Mr. Depp, you do NOT deserve another $50 MILLION for `Pirates of the Caribbean 4: We Ran Out Of Ideas Before We Even Began`.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 9:18 am
    "Were not, we are just the best at saying we are the best."

    Nope, we are the best at everything. That includes saying we are the best.

    "And if we did have to recalibrate the machines, how many people would that employ short term???"

    Do you honestly believe that shutting down a facility for days or weeks to recalibrate machines is a job creating action? All it does it cause production to suffer, and in return, profits.

    "Socialized healthcare works"

    Of course it "works." That doesn`t mean it works well, and it certainly doesn`t make it the best system. You are trying to impose your own belief system on America, but Americans like to do things their own way. We aren`t telling you not to have socialized medicine, and you don`t have to move here.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 9:27 am
    "American Capitalism is broken. It is an obvious fact."

    Oh really? What makes it obvious?

    Is it the fact that we have the largest economy in the world? Is it the fact that we produce the most advanced technology? Is it the fact that we are obviously the most powerful country, and other countries look to us to help with virtually every problem?

    Or maybe it is that you can be born poor and grow up to be CEO of a major corporation. Maybe it`s broken because even poor people here have iPhone 4s and drive nice cars. Perhaps you think it`s broken because I can purchase technology to start a business out of my home, and thrive as a self employed person.

    Wait wait wait, no, I figured it out. It`s broken because if you don`t work, you will not succeed. Everyone should make the same amount, no matter how hard they work. Right?
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 11:17 am
    I`ve read dozens of medical horror stories in the UK`s `Daily Mail`
    You`re getting your news on the UK from the Daily Mail? Well thank you Crakrjak, that explains a lot.
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    Garu Male 30-39
    562 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Yay, France. Drinking 13L per. capita, LIKE A BOSS! @ NitroJunkie: GTFO, countdown over. HAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Garu Male 30-39
    562 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    HAARP causes two more earth quakes in Spain. Hope that health care is pretty good. I DON`T REALLY CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS SH*T. 2012 bitches.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    [quote">If we were to force a switch, it would cause a lot of confusion and extra work[/quote">

    Hmm lets see now

    12in = 1ft
    5280ft = 1mi
    3ft = 1yd
    or...
    100cm = 1m
    10mm = cm
    1000m = 1km

    There was one little project NASA CLEARLY WANTED TO USE METRIC but instead GOT SCREWED WITH ENGLISH.

    It would cause confusion short-term but save a lot in the long run because we only need to worry about powers of 10.

    We already use metric to a degree America.
    We pay by the kilo-Watt-hour and medical system uses either ccs (cm^3) or mg.

    Even electron microscopes use nm or micrometers.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    Do you honestly believe that shutting down a facility for days or weeks to recalibrate machines is a job creating action? All it does it cause production to suffer, and in return, profits.

    On the other I am for slowly phasing out an antiquated system.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    medical horror stories in the UK`s `Daily Mail`

    Oh yes and I get great relationship advice from COSMO and The Globe.
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    AbiElectric Female 18-29
    171 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    Thank god for the NHS. :) And whoever gets their news from the Daily Mail is a class A idiot.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 4:29 pm
    I`ve read dozens of medical horror stories in the UK`s `Daily Mail`

    There`s your problem.

    It`s a good rule of thumb to assume that anything and everything in the Daily Mail is untrue. Really, it is that bad. It exists for the purpose of promoting fear and anger and the truth comes a very poor second to that purpose. For example, every other day they print another scare story about something else that causes cancer. They`re over 1000 now, with everything from light bulbs to tea.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    Yes, They have proven to be bankrupting many countries and causing people to have to wait months to see a real doctor.

    Yeah, I always have to wait months to see a real doctor.

    No, wait, it`s minutes, not months. Must be a confusion in different measuring systems.

    Unless I wander into a surgery when it`s busy and I don`t have anything immediately seriously wrong with me. Then it might be as long as an hour and a half! In a comfy chair. Oh my goodness what a calamity!

    Of course, if it was serious I`d go to A&E at a hospital instead, where I`d get triaged straight away.

    I once waited 4 hours in A&E. I`d broken a little toe and I wasn`t sure what to do about it. Amazingly, people coming in from traffic accidents and with heart attacks were given priority over me! Broken Britain, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

    I came over all Daily Mail at the end there.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    LOL @ Ang
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2588 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    Greed, greed, and more greed. SO MUCH could be fixed in this country, and everywhere else in the world, if people weren`t so damn greedy. Really, it is out of control.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    "On the other I am for slowly phasing out an antiquated system."

    There is no doubt that the metric system makes more sense, but there is a good reason why we haven`t switched yet, and it is the almighty dollar.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 11, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    "I once waited 4 hours in A&E...Amazingly, people coming in from traffic accidents and with heart attacks were given priority over me! Broken Britain, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!"

    I once went to the hospital complaining of bad stomach cramps. I thought I was just sick, and I even told them I didn`t think it was serious. Regardless, a doctor met with me immediately. After performing a few simple tests he told me he suspected I had appendicitis. I rejected this notion, but he insisted that I should go to surgery right away. Finally, I gave in, and I was taken straight to surgery.

    Turns out, my appendix had exploded, was gangrenous, and I spent 2 weeks recovering. Insurance paid the $23k bill. If I had been forced to wait any substantial amount of time, I would have died. So... I believe in our system.
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    elgrappa Male 18-29
    96 posts
    May 12, 2011 at 12:45 am
    true dat!! Corporate greed is the story of our lives
  112. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 12, 2011 at 6:29 am
    RETARDEDBEAR:

    You`re comparing two very different scenarios. A broken toe stemming directly from a straightforward accident is very different medically from severe abdominal pain without known cause, particularly when one of a variety of simple tests by someone with relevant knowledge indicates appendicitis.

    I was, of course, triaged very quickly. As you were. Triage rightly gave you very high priority and me low priority.

    I can supply an example of how the NHS works in the same situation you described because someone I know recently had acute appendicitis. They were quite suddenly in a fair bit of pain at home, so they called a doctor to their home. The doctor examined them, diagnosed appendicitis and immediately sent them to hospital, where they were operated on straight away.

    Bottom line:

    Medical situations can vary extremely in terms of seriousness. Any sensible hospital service will practice triage.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 13, 2011 at 9:04 am
    "You`re comparing two very different scenarios."

    I realize the difference, and if it works that well in England, then that is great. In America, government hardly ever does anything right. We like for the dollar to decide, not a bureaucrat, and I personally believe that the government should do what ONLY the government can do. The rest should be left up to the private sector.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    May 13, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Retarded bear

    Unfortunately you are right, it doesn`t work in Britain. Emergency care is slow, whether or not their is a particular surge of urgent patients, waffle about traffic accidents or heart attacks is meaningless.

    Less urgent care is worse.

    I was earning a rather modest amount but was forced to pay for private care, having already paid for NHS through my taxes. I paid about £400 to resolve a back injury. I could not wait 9 weeks for NHS care as I was not only in constant pain but could not work much but was only paid when I worked. That year alone £600 of my taxes went to the NHS, yet I could not use them for my back pain. I also had to put off dental care as no local practices would accept more NHS patients. So I got nothing for that £600.

    Cancer survival rates in the UK are some of the lowest in the developed world. In the USA they are among the highest.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    May 13, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    This article is disingenuous.

    For a start under malpractice they only consider the minor effect. What is not considered is the excessive caution and extra tests carried out, or the extra medication and procedures.

    The non-myths given are all basically true (apart from the outpatient bit). However they largely occur because of restrictions and regulations, such as lack of a national market in health insurance. Competition would to a great degree resolve these problems in the absence of government interference, along with dealing with the high costs of medical degrees.

    As for outpatient care, the NHS has increased it to reduce costs, so this one makes no sense at all.

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