Pervy Priests

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 6 years ago in

A look into the Vatican and how they have dealt with child sexual abuse for over 2000 years.
There are 56 comments:
Female 1,264
I agree, Catholic priests should be prosecuted as any other child molester. But, why don`t we look into other religions? Better, why don`t we look into all institutions? Every single institution uses power to abuse children in every single way.
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Male 440
@Angilion Sorry, I can`t find it because I have forgotten too many of the specifics that would narrow the search. Someone sent me a link a few years ago. It may have been a will detailing a list of possessins owned by a farmer but I may be thinking of another document. Old age is catching up with me... My memory is letting me down.
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Male 12,365
Oops, my mistake. I misread your reference to "written in Latin but had irish in the margins" as applying to the document you originally referred to, when you clearly wrote that it referred to the document you linked to.
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Male 12,365
[quote]The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.[/quote]

Hmm...Christian writing with Irish notes? There were a fair few literate clerics in Ireland in the "dark ages", monks and suchlike.

Or was it a more historically interesting day to day sort of thing, like a letter? The 1st century British writing I referred to is fascinating precisely because it`s mundane - that gives a more of an insight into people`s lives, which is historically valuable.
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Male 440
The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.
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Male 440
@Angilion This is not the document I was thinking of but a much later one but it might be of interest to you.

Example of old Irish Document
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Male 440
@Angilion I`ll have a look and see if I can get a reference. It was a few years ago that I came across this. It is noteworthy that the document was in Irish because we tended to use Latin in those days as the "common" language all countries spoke. I`ll get back to you on the ref.
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Male 4,290
Cheers Baal, reading just now.

[quote]Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me. [/quote]
OH EM GEE tl;dr!! :P
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Male 1,744
wait wait wait wait
Just wait a minute
the Catholic church is corrupt!? WAAAAAAAT!?
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Male 3,631
Not a repost since I watched it again. Hey, I wonder how many of these commentative diatribes were already posted here!?

P.S. - original caption was more cleverer.
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Male 2,402
@Tedgp:
"Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadn`t have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

Very intelligent assertion....dumbass.

Tell that to the Chinese who developed rockets in 900AD and the Mongolians who furthered it with cast-iron development in the 1700`s. Fact is the Chinese had rudimentary computers that tracked the planets and seasons at the same time as the with the Romans who did the same.

Major failure.

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Male 17,512
Baal: As advanced as islamic science/math knowledge used to be, It took a backward turn after the reconquest of Spain. So much so now that most muslim countries, that aren`t formerly soviet countries, have a literacy rate well below Europe & America. Only Kuwait, The Maldives, and the former soviet republics rise above 90% literacy.
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Male 12,365
Bah, I made a mistake. The oldest extant written documents in Britain date back to 95AD. The place they were found was built in 78AD.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Don`t forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.[/quote]

Cool...what is it?

Although if it`s on paper it can`t be that old. Paper was invented in China and kept secret until, IIRC, about 700AD and it didn`t make it to Europe until some time afterwards.

The oldest extant written (as opposed to carved) documents from Britain that I know of off the top of my head were written in 78AD and I`m sure there are older in Europe. How far back does the Irish one go? Also, how was it preserved? I like the details like that. It`s amazing how long some things can last. Carved stone, sure, it`s not surprising that can last for millenia, but stuff written by hand with ink on wood or parchment? It`s fascinating knowing why it`s still here.
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Male 12,365
The loss of those two libraries alone set scientific development back enormously. They weren`t only libraries, they were also places of learning.

The great library of Alexandria held a million items. This was 2000 years ago, when everything was hand written and a collection of 100 books was noteworthy. Their stated objective was to have a copy of every written thing in the world of any scholarly interest and they had stuff from as far afield as India. It was the head of an entire city-state, to the extent that it had the authority and power to seize any writing anyone brought into the city for long enough to copy it. We don`t even know what knowledge was lost when it was destroyed.

The library of Baghdad was similar. It`s said that the river ran black with ink for a week when it was destroyed. Again, we don`t even know what knowledge was lost.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages[/quote]

I doubt it. We`re a long, long way from being able to explore the galaxy and religion failed to hold scientific development back all that much. It did damage, certainly, but not as much as it might have done. Bigger setbacks were the decline of ancient Greece (home to massive advances in knowledge and education) and the destruction of the library of Alexandria (the biggest store of knowledge in the world and a major university), the collapse of the Roman empire (which spread knowledge and literacy and imposed the stability necessary for sustained education and gaining of knowledge) and the Mongol invasion of what`s now Iraq, especially the destruction of the library of Baghdad (Arabic scholarship was built on the Greek and that library was akin to what the one at Alexandria had been ~1300 years ea
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Male 66
The catholic church is too busy promoting AIDS in Africa to turn in pedophiles.
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Male 490
This makes me glad i`m not catholic.
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Male 4,547
Blouhn:
Kinda. The reason you use Arabic numerals is because the west learned math from the Arabs, but that initial work was done by India (which is why Arabs use Indian numerals. Also, they invented zero but not uniquely. :))
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Male 183
Baalthazag, don`t forget arabic numerals and the whole concept of zero.
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Male 3,061
...and that`s why i`m not catholic.
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Male 440
@Baalthazaq Don`t forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.
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Male 4,547
Tedgp:
"Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

1) That`s not how science works.

2) The idea that there is a "gap" is a myth. The Islamic Empire continued the progression while the dark ages occurred. The renaissance was basically a result of a reclamation of that knowledge, and then further development. That`s why you use the Arabic words like Al-Jibra, and Al-Chemy. (Wikipedia: Islamic Golden Age).

3) I assume you`ll be converting to Islam now, or will we not be using horrifically simplified histories on which to base worldviews?

4) If you tell someone to "ponder" something, sometimes they will, and you`ll look silly if you`ve not done enough pondering.
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Male 4,547
Here we go.

My old post on the topic back in 2009. Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me.
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Male 4,547
And gimme a minute almighty, I`ll go look up the last time I put up sources on this on IAB doing a comparison. It did include per capita iirc.
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Male 4,547
Almighty:

There is actually a few pretty reliable sources that you can compare; Victim-side reports for example. There`s no reason to assume one group of victims will be more forthcoming than another.

Having said that, I`m also looking at government and police probes into various religious organizations who have come back with estimates, and those estimates take secrecy into consideration.

You`re also acting as if the normal course of actions is for offenders to not keep this secret, this is not the case.

If anything it over-reports cases. The entire controversy revolves around priests going to the church to seek help.

In other words, you have a HIGH rate of confession to begin with, which didn`t translate to a high rate of conviction.

Offender rate is still lower in the Church.
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Male 25,416
Seems iab is addicted to hungrybeast
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Male 562
I had a coworker that was an alter boy for an Irish Catholic church and went into the Scouts and became an Eagle Scout. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE HOLYS THAT GUY WENT THROUGH? YIKES!
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Male 562
The greatest lie the Devil ever told was convincing humanity that he didn t exist.
Hell, Prepubescent castration wasn`t made illegal until 1870.
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Male 4,290
[quote]3)there are numerous cases where teachers cannot get fired[/quote]
That link doesn`t work for me, perhaps you copy-pasted it wrong. Also, there`s a Link button to the right of the Reply box which will make linking work without the need to delete spaces.

[quote]4)lol Europe why do you even try[/quote]
Pathetic.

[quote]btw dont tl;dr the article because it wasnt in video form like you`re used to on iambored[/quote]
Clearly you`re new. I don`t tl;dr.


[quote]The Church has a lower offender rate than *the general public*. Way way lower than stepfathers and teachers, but the one that matters here is lower than the general public.[/quote]

Baal: got a per-capita-corrected source for that? Also, how can you trust reported Church figures of child rape when the current head of said institution declared they should be kept secret?
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Male 4,290
[quote]1)i used google to find other information LOL if your only source of information is IAMBORED [/quote]
That doesn`t solve the problem that, if the church is suppressing reports, the number of cases you will find (yes, even on Google!) will be LOWER than the real number of child rape cases within the Church.
Also, the source is not IAB, it`s the makers of the video. And all the Church doctrines they used are widely available - the Sacramentum Poenitentiae is on the Vatican Online Archive.

[quote]2) all the facts are in this article[/quote]
As I suspected, it`s a mess of varying facts and statistics about different aspects. For example comparing number of cases of abuse (11,000) by number of priests (4,000) with number of individuals abused in schools (290,000). Note that, as I said, these figures are NOT corrected for per-capita.

continued next post.
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Male 2,868
@ruthless1990- While that`s very true, the difference is that when members of a family conspire to cover up sexual abuse, they will be prosecuted if they`re caught. So far, no charges have been brought against any members of the Catholic Church`s leadership for their role in covering up sex abuse.
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Male 875
meh most interesting part was trying to figure out what they make with all the pictures. oh well i have a date with my priest anyway
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Female 3,001
lets not pretend that paedophilia isn`t a world wide problem, it happens in the church, but it mostly happens within familys and trusted friends (which can include priests). sure, its kept secret within the church, but it often stays secrets within familys too and other organisations too.

we should do more to stop sexual abuse in children full stop, in the churches, the homes and other places. not enough is done anywhere, which doesnt make this any better, but you get my point. i hope...
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Male 177
It doesn`t matter whether Catholic priests are more or less likely to molest children than the general public. Since they are all proclaiming to be these huge followers of God and being all spiritual and blah blah blah, there should be ZERO molestation cases for priest. And the fact that there are and the guy in charge, after all these years (until now), did NOTHING to punish these men or to stop it from happening again should say something.
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Male 770
priests are human with human flaws.

which means they can be a$$hats just like everyone else.
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Male 38,507

true that Baalthazaq.

kiddie diddling is aweful no matter who, but priests are not more or less likely to than anyone else. It get`s more media attention but is not the Epidemic panicy newscasters lead you to believe
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Male 16
@almightybob

1)i used google to find other information LOL if your only source of information is IAMBORED

2)all the facts are in this article all you had to do was google search molestation rates in public schools
http://archive.newsmax.com /archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552. shtml
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3)there are numerous cases where teachers cannot get fired due to worker unions so teachers who molested children have to stay at home with pay JUSTICE SERVED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

http://randysright.wordpress.com /2010/03/03/ seiu-unions-keep-convicted -sex-offender-school-teachers-on- payroll- at-tax-payer-expense/
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4)lol Europe why do you even try

btw dont tl;dr the article because it wasnt in video form like you`re used to on iambored
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Male 69
I agree duck boy 87. When I was 7 I attended a catholic church with my friend. I remember that day he got called to have a private meeting with the priest. His parents drove me home leaving him with the priest. Later that evening he told me that the priest told him to get naked and rub his penis. He told my friend it would get him washed of his sins. My friend also made me swear not to tell anyone. I instead told my mom and dad. Nothing happened though.
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Male 4,290
koolwhimp, several problems with that comparison.

1) How do you know the molestation rate of the churches, when the video just told you that church policy is to keep child rape cases secret? Clearly the real figure is therefore much higher than any reported figure.

2) Is the school molestation rate higher per capita, or just in absolute terms? Because if 30 out of 10,000 kids are raped in schools, and 29 out of 100 kids are raped in churches, clearly the problem is far greater in churches. To compare reasonably, the rates must be per capita.

3) In no school anywhere has any teacher ever suggested that teachers who rape kids shouldn`t be prosecuted. And any teacher who said that certainly wouldn`t be promoted to headteacher.
And yet the Catholic church has put in the prime position a man who recommended that child rape be treated with the highest level of secrecy possible.


There is no comparison.
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Male 3,463
In my opinion, as a not very devout Catholic, is to let priests marry.

Simple, more than likely effective and it won`t hurt anyone.
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Male 4,547
Seconding what coolwhimp said, but one more thing:

The Church has a lower offender rate than *the general public*. Way way lower than stepfathers and teachers, but the one that matters here is lower than the general public.
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Male 14,334
@xiquiripat

That sounds like all religion not just Catholicism.
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Male 2,422
It`s kinda cute how the Catholic Church thinks it has the moral authority to tell other people how to live.
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Male 16
heres a thought public schools have a higher molestation offense rate than churches

police men continuously are portrayed in the news as overstepping their boundaries and abusing power

yet we still take our kids to school and respect the authority of a police officers. Why is that? Because a few reported cases does not represent the whole. As much as you can argue the bad there are a number of good things that have come form churches and, in many cases, far out weighs the bad.

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Male 4,290
Reminds me of that Intelligence Squared debate about the Catholic Church I saw. Motion was "the Catholic Church has been a force for good". For was Anne Widdecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan, against was Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens.

Needless to say, Widdecombe and Onaiyekan tried to breeze over this issue and there was much eye-rolling when Fry and Hitchens brought it up. As if the fact that the current Pope wants to cover up priest kiddy-fiddling is just a minor issue.
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Male 3,285
Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages
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Male 3,475
I recommend that we hang em, and then we kill em!
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Male 588
Yup, all hungry beasts are oldies.
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Male 496
This is why the catholic church can drat off. This and the aids in africa.

Don`t get me wrong here though, i`m not saying if you believe in god you should get lost, i`m saying that the catholic church as a whole is flawed and needs to be sorted out. Believe what you like, I just hope the people that did things to kids get locked up for it.
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Female 4,359
f ucken churches, got a lot to answer for.
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Male 104
@TheLemur
They are, but it doesn`t stop them from being good. :P
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Male 2,586
yep, repost
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Male 22
Amen!
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Male 98
Is it just me or are all these hungry beast videos reposts?
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Female 8,044
Link: Pervy Priests [Rate Link] - A look into the Vatican and how they have dealt with child sexual abuse for over 2000 years.
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