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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    May 18, 2011 at 7:24 am
    Link: Pervy Priests - A look into the Vatican and how they have dealt with child sexual abuse for over 2000 years.
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    TheLemur Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Is it just me or are all these hungry beast videos reposts?
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    D-PAC Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 10:51 am
    Amen!
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:27 am
    yep, repost
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    BTDM Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:29 am
    @TheLemur
    They are, but it doesn`t stop them from being good. :P
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:42 am
    f ucken churches, got a lot to answer for.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:43 am
    This is why the catholic church can drat off. This and the aids in africa.

    Don`t get me wrong here though, i`m not saying if you believe in god you should get lost, i`m saying that the catholic church as a whole is flawed and needs to be sorted out. Believe what you like, I just hope the people that did things to kids get locked up for it.
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    mr_fribbles Male 13-17
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:49 am
    Yup, all hungry beasts are oldies.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:57 am
    I recommend that we hang em, and then we kill em!
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Reminds me of that Intelligence Squared debate about the Catholic Church I saw. Motion was "the Catholic Church has been a force for good". For was Anne Widdecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan, against was Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens.

    Needless to say, Widdecombe and Onaiyekan tried to breeze over this issue and there was much eye-rolling when Fry and Hitchens brought it up. As if the fact that the current Pope wants to cover up priest kiddy-fiddling is just a minor issue.
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    koolwhimp Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    heres a thought public schools have a higher molestation offense rate than churches

    police men continuously are portrayed in the news as overstepping their boundaries and abusing power

    yet we still take our kids to school and respect the authority of a police officers. Why is that? Because a few reported cases does not represent the whole. As much as you can argue the bad there are a number of good things that have come form churches and, in many cases, far out weighs the bad.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    It`s kinda cute how the Catholic Church thinks it has the moral authority to tell other people how to live.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    @xiquiripat

    That sounds like all religion not just Catholicism.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    Seconding what coolwhimp said, but one more thing:

    The Church has a lower offender rate than *the general public*. Way way lower than stepfathers and teachers, but the one that matters here is lower than the general public.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    In my opinion, as a not very devout Catholic, is to let priests marry.

    Simple, more than likely effective and it won`t hurt anyone.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    koolwhimp, several problems with that comparison.

    1) How do you know the molestation rate of the churches, when the video just told you that church policy is to keep child rape cases secret? Clearly the real figure is therefore much higher than any reported figure.

    2) Is the school molestation rate higher per capita, or just in absolute terms? Because if 30 out of 10,000 kids are raped in schools, and 29 out of 100 kids are raped in churches, clearly the problem is far greater in churches. To compare reasonably, the rates must be per capita.

    3) In no school anywhere has any teacher ever suggested that teachers who rape kids shouldn`t be prosecuted. And any teacher who said that certainly wouldn`t be promoted to headteacher.
    And yet the Catholic church has put in the prime position a man who recommended that child rape be treated with the highest level of secrecy possible.


    There is no comparison.
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    tleking536 Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    I agree duck boy 87. When I was 7 I attended a catholic church with my friend. I remember that day he got called to have a private meeting with the priest. His parents drove me home leaving him with the priest. Later that evening he told me that the priest told him to get naked and rub his penis. He told my friend it would get him washed of his sins. My friend also made me swear not to tell anyone. I instead told my mom and dad. Nothing happened though.
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    koolwhimp Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    @almightybob

    1)i used google to find other information LOL if your only source of information is IAMBORED

    2)all the facts are in this article all you had to do was google search molestation rates in public schools
    http://archive.newsmax.com /archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552. shtml
    (delete the spaces when linking)

    3)there are numerous cases where teachers cannot get fired due to worker unions so teachers who molested children have to stay at home with pay JUSTICE SERVED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

    http://randysright.wordpress.com /2010/03/03/ seiu-unions-keep-convicted -sex-offender-school-teachers-on- payroll- at-tax-payer-expense/
    (delete the spaces when linking)

    4)lol Europe why do you even try

    btw dont tl;dr the article because it wasnt in video form like you`re used to on iambored
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    true that Baalthazaq.

    kiddie diddling is aweful no matter who, but priests are not more or less likely to than anyone else. It get`s more media attention but is not the Epidemic panicy newscasters lead you to believe
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    priests are human with human flaws.

    which means they can be a$$hats just like everyone else.
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    vVvBrock Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    It doesn`t matter whether Catholic priests are more or less likely to molest children than the general public. Since they are all proclaiming to be these huge followers of God and being all spiritual and blah blah blah, there should be ZERO molestation cases for priest. And the fact that there are and the guy in charge, after all these years (until now), did NOTHING to punish these men or to stop it from happening again should say something.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    lets not pretend that paedophilia isn`t a world wide problem, it happens in the church, but it mostly happens within familys and trusted friends (which can include priests). sure, its kept secret within the church, but it often stays secrets within familys too and other organisations too.

    we should do more to stop sexual abuse in children full stop, in the churches, the homes and other places. not enough is done anywhere, which doesnt make this any better, but you get my point. i hope...
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    human_exile Male 13-17
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    meh most interesting part was trying to figure out what they make with all the pictures. oh well i have a date with my priest anyway
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    @ruthless1990- While that`s very true, the difference is that when members of a family conspire to cover up sexual abuse, they will be prosecuted if they`re caught. So far, no charges have been brought against any members of the Catholic Church`s leadership for their role in covering up sex abuse.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    1)i used google to find other information LOL if your only source of information is IAMBORED
    That doesn`t solve the problem that, if the church is suppressing reports, the number of cases you will find (yes, even on Google!) will be LOWER than the real number of child rape cases within the Church.
    Also, the source is not IAB, it`s the makers of the video. And all the Church doctrines they used are widely available - the Sacramentum Poenitentiae is on the Vatican Online Archive.

    2) all the facts are in this article
    As I suspected, it`s a mess of varying facts and statistics about different aspects. For example comparing number of cases of abuse (11,000) by number of priests (4,000) with number of individuals abused in schools (290,000). Note that, as I said, these figures are NOT corrected for per-capita.

    continued next post.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    3)there are numerous cases where teachers cannot get fired
    That link doesn`t work for me, perhaps you copy-pasted it wrong. Also, there`s a Link button to the right of the Reply box which will make linking work without the need to delete spaces.

    4)lol Europe why do you even try
    Pathetic.

    btw dont tl;dr the article because it wasnt in video form like you`re used to on iambored
    Clearly you`re new. I don`t tl;dr.


    The Church has a lower offender rate than *the general public*. Way way lower than stepfathers and teachers, but the one that matters here is lower than the general public.

    Baal: got a per-capita-corrected source for that? Also, how can you trust reported Church figures of child rape when the current head of said institution declared they should be kept secret?
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    Garu Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    The greatest lie the Devil ever told was convincing humanity that he didn t exist.
    Hell, Prepubescent castration wasn`t made illegal until 1870.
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    Garu Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    I had a coworker that was an alter boy for an Irish Catholic church and went into the Scouts and became an Eagle Scout. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE HOLYS THAT GUY WENT THROUGH? YIKES!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    Seems iab is addicted to hungrybeast
  31. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Almighty:

    There is actually a few pretty reliable sources that you can compare; Victim-side reports for example. There`s no reason to assume one group of victims will be more forthcoming than another.

    Having said that, I`m also looking at government and police probes into various religious organizations who have come back with estimates, and those estimates take secrecy into consideration.

    You`re also acting as if the normal course of actions is for offenders to not keep this secret, this is not the case.

    If anything it over-reports cases. The entire controversy revolves around priests going to the church to seek help.

    In other words, you have a HIGH rate of confession to begin with, which didn`t translate to a high rate of conviction.

    Offender rate is still lower in the Church.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    And gimme a minute almighty, I`ll go look up the last time I put up sources on this on IAB doing a comparison. It did include per capita iirc.
  33. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Here we go.

    My old post on the topic back in 2009. Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Tedgp:
    "Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

    1) That`s not how science works.

    2) The idea that there is a "gap" is a myth. The Islamic Empire continued the progression while the dark ages occurred. The renaissance was basically a result of a reclamation of that knowledge, and then further development. That`s why you use the Arabic words like Al-Jibra, and Al-Chemy. (Wikipedia: Islamic Golden Age).

    3) I assume you`ll be converting to Islam now, or will we not be using horrifically simplified histories on which to base worldviews?

    4) If you tell someone to "ponder" something, sometimes they will, and you`ll look silly if you`ve not done enough pondering.
  35. Profile photo of Creabhain
    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 3:49 pm
    @Baalthazaq Don`t forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    May 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    ...and that`s why i`m not catholic.
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    blounsb999 Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    Baalthazag, don`t forget arabic numerals and the whole concept of zero.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Blouhn:
    Kinda. The reason you use Arabic numerals is because the west learned math from the Arabs, but that initial work was done by India (which is why Arabs use Indian numerals. Also, they invented zero but not uniquely. :))
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    This makes me glad i`m not catholic.
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    Negativitron Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    The catholic church is too busy promoting AIDS in Africa to turn in pedophiles.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages

    I doubt it. We`re a long, long way from being able to explore the galaxy and religion failed to hold scientific development back all that much. It did damage, certainly, but not as much as it might have done. Bigger setbacks were the decline of ancient Greece (home to massive advances in knowledge and education) and the destruction of the library of Alexandria (the biggest store of knowledge in the world and a major university), the collapse of the Roman empire (which spread knowledge and literacy and imposed the stability necessary for sustained education and gaining of knowledge) and the Mongol invasion of what`s now Iraq, especially the destruction of the library of Baghdad (Arabic scholarship was built on the Greek and that library was akin to what the one at Alexandria had been ~1300 years ea
  42. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    The loss of those two libraries alone set scientific development back enormously. They weren`t only libraries, they were also places of learning.

    The great library of Alexandria held a million items. This was 2000 years ago, when everything was hand written and a collection of 100 books was noteworthy. Their stated objective was to have a copy of every written thing in the world of any scholarly interest and they had stuff from as far afield as India. It was the head of an entire city-state, to the extent that it had the authority and power to seize any writing anyone brought into the city for long enough to copy it. We don`t even know what knowledge was lost when it was destroyed.

    The library of Baghdad was similar. It`s said that the river ran black with ink for a week when it was destroyed. Again, we don`t even know what knowledge was lost.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Don`t forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.

    Cool...what is it?

    Although if it`s on paper it can`t be that old. Paper was invented in China and kept secret until, IIRC, about 700AD and it didn`t make it to Europe until some time afterwards.

    The oldest extant written (as opposed to carved) documents from Britain that I know of off the top of my head were written in 78AD and I`m sure there are older in Europe. How far back does the Irish one go? Also, how was it preserved? I like the details like that. It`s amazing how long some things can last. Carved stone, sure, it`s not surprising that can last for millenia, but stuff written by hand with ink on wood or parchment? It`s fascinating knowing why it`s still here.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    Bah, I made a mistake. The oldest extant written documents in Britain date back to 95AD. The place they were found was built in 78AD.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 18, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    Baal: As advanced as islamic science/math knowledge used to be, It took a backward turn after the reconquest of Spain. So much so now that most muslim countries, that aren`t formerly soviet countries, have a literacy rate well below Europe & America. Only Kuwait, The Maldives, and the former soviet republics rise above 90% literacy.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    May 18, 2011 at 9:07 pm
    @Tedgp:
    "Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadn`t have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

    Very intelligent assertion....dumbass.

    Tell that to the Chinese who developed rockets in 900AD and the Mongolians who furthered it with cast-iron development in the 1700`s. Fact is the Chinese had rudimentary computers that tracked the planets and seasons at the same time as the with the Romans who did the same.

    Major failure.

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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    May 18, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    Not a repost since I watched it again. Hey, I wonder how many of these commentative diatribes were already posted here!?

    P.S. - original caption was more cleverer.
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 1:00 am
    wait wait wait wait
    Just wait a minute
    the Catholic church is corrupt!? WAAAAAAAT!?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 1:24 am
    Cheers Baal, reading just now.

    Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me.
    OH EM GEE tl;dr!! :P
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 4:18 am
    @Angilion I`ll have a look and see if I can get a reference. It was a few years ago that I came across this. It is noteworthy that the document was in Irish because we tended to use Latin in those days as the "common" language all countries spoke. I`ll get back to you on the ref.
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 4:31 am
    @Angilion This is not the document I was thinking of but a much later one but it might be of interest to you.

    Example of old Irish Document
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 4:33 am
    The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.

    Hmm...Christian writing with Irish notes? There were a fair few literate clerics in Ireland in the "dark ages", monks and suchlike.

    Or was it a more historically interesting day to day sort of thing, like a letter? The 1st century British writing I referred to is fascinating precisely because it`s mundane - that gives a more of an insight into people`s lives, which is historically valuable.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    Oops, my mistake. I misread your reference to "written in Latin but had irish in the margins" as applying to the document you originally referred to, when you clearly wrote that it referred to the document you linked to.
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 21, 2011 at 8:49 am
    @Angilion Sorry, I can`t find it because I have forgotten too many of the specifics that would narrow the search. Someone sent me a link a few years ago. It may have been a will detailing a list of possessins owned by a farmer but I may be thinking of another document. Old age is catching up with me... My memory is letting me down.
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    May 22, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    I agree, Catholic priests should be prosecuted as any other child molester. But, why don`t we look into other religions? Better, why don`t we look into all institutions? Every single institution uses power to abuse children in every single way.

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