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Date: 05/19/11 09:38 AM

42 Responses to Net Neutrality: War Over The Web

  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8044 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 7:16 am
    Link: Net Neutrality: War Over The Web - The outcome of the war waging over net neutrality could rewrite the web.What role should Govt.& Corp. play in our lives?
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 9:47 am
    fer drat sakes... just keep dratin with us.... try it
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 19, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Duh

    there is too much money and power inherant to the net for corporations NOT to want control.

    they`ve bought the politicians who will make the net laws - we`ve already lost this arguement.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 9:52 am
    The more recognition and prominence this gets, the more people will want balanced internet.

    If there are enough ISPs, people will switch to them for better service.

    There can`t be internet monopolies.
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    human_exile Male 13-17
    875 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 9:58 am
    meh.
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 10:07 am
    Curse you Microsoft, I know this is your doing...

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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 10:14 am
    the day they block p2p and porn site is the day I quite the internet for good.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 19, 2011 at 10:16 am
    Funny how liberals are the ones who want the control, and Conservatives are the ones who want to keep the internet free and speedy.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 19, 2011 at 10:18 am
    Think about how Internet gets into your house.

    Cable lines? 1 company owns them. Phone line? 1 company owns them. Satellite? Too slow to be viable. Cell? Too spotty and unreliable.
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    Xh8FYHnG Male 40-49
    36 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 10:31 am
    According to the Ayn Rand Institute, and I agree with them, "net neutrality is antithetical to Internet freedom." See:

    http://www.aynrand.org
    /site
    /News2?page=NewsArticle&id=
    16921&news_iv_ctrl=1021
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    Gottamgear Male 18-29
    670 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 10:50 am
    The link Xh8FYHnG was trying to give here ;-)
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    PaintedNInja Male 18-29
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    May 19, 2011 at 10:53 am
    youtube started buffering right when the buffer image played in the video, its like it knew.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
    728 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 10:57 am
    @Xh8FYHnG: I agree on principle, but I think that it is a little optimistic of them to think that some sites won`t be slowed, rather than simply having some sites faster. I would be surprised if non-neutral internet providers didn`t slow P2P sites because of the implications in a society as focused on copyright laws as our own. I think the real issue is with the strictness of copyright laws, but I don`t think that issue will be going away any time soon.

    I think the only model that is fair to ISPs and consumers alike is to adopt the model of paying based on how much you use, the model the video says is used in Australia. That way, companies aren`t getting shafted by individuals who do a lot of downloading, while individuals can still have unmitigated access to various sites.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 11:06 am
    NO! It should NEVER be a Per kb plan. Do you know how many millions of people using Netflix would be shafted? One netflix movie is worth several GB.

    Imagine paying 7.99 for streaming access to Netflix, and only being able to watch 2-3 movies a month.

    Screw usage caps.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 19, 2011 at 11:10 am
    I wouldn`t trust the government (any government) to regulate the internet. Big corporations face competition, if they start being dickwads at least we consumers can switch providers. You can`t switch your government that easily, and once government gets it`s greasy hands into something it goes downhill.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 11:14 am
    AJ: All this time we`ve had internet in the USA, We the customers have been paying an `infrastructure fee` for the internet, It`s hidden in the taxes and fees section of your bill.

    All this time the internet companies have just been pocketing that money and NOT improving the bandwidth very much. So when I hear these internet companies begging for government money to improve the bandwidth, My blood boils.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 11:17 am
    Ehhhh. The "infrastructure fee" keeps the tubes maintained. We pay for server expansion and maintenance.

    I want to know when we are going to use the fiber optic lines that crisscross the US that are just buried and not connected to anything. They installed it, and just left it unused.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 19, 2011 at 11:19 am
    Sound like an excuse to try to take more money from us. If they try to charge by usage in the USA they`re opening a can of worms we`ve already gotten used unlimited usage isn`t that what we`re charged for to begin with?
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 11:53 am
    Trying to get the government to solve a problem that doesn`t actually exist, but hypothetically `could` exist... gee I haven`t heard that one before.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    May 19, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    you get unlimited gigs?
    you lucky bastards!
    Net neutrality must not be lost....or the internet will be pointless.
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    HeadiesRusH Male 18-29
    328 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    @auburnjunky - "Funny how liberals are the ones who want the control, and Conservatives are the ones who want to keep the internet free and speedy."

    Who do you think you are? That claim is completely unfounded. I personally am quite liberal and I definitely believe in our rights regarding the freedom of speech and net neutrality. Stop making lousy comments that are completely untrue and simply ignorant. You`re only making yourself look like a fool.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm
    "I personally am quite liberal and I definitely believe in our rights regarding the freedom of speech and net neutrality."

    I believe he is referring to net neutrality when he says liberals want control, which you, as a liberal, just said you support. Net neutrality is asking the government to regulate the internet, where it previously has been unregulated. That amounts to government control seeping into the internet.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    @emmettyville
    Its never been looked at as unlimited gigs in America, its just looked at as unlimited access. In the US its treated a lot like cable TV, you pay to use it but you don`t have to pay extra because you watch it 8 hours a day instead of 2.

    Correct me if I`m wrong though, but I do believe the problem they are having (according to this) stems from power usage. The more information that is sent, the more power that is used, the more their bill to run them goes up. So (now stay with me here) does part of the problem then not come from the power companies? True, they need to make money too, but where does the problem then lie?

    As far as regulation goes, there should be none. The only "regulation" I can see being legit is passing a law protecting net-neutrality, and prosecuting anyone through international law who violates it.

    The internet is an innately beautiful thing, allowing people all over the world to communicate. Don`t ruin it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    Okay guys. Let`s make this clear.

    If you are in favor of NET NEUTRALITY, you are in favor of GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED and REGULATED INTERNET. The liberals who introduced it called it Net Neutrality to make it sound like something nice and pretty, when it is in fact a very ugly thing.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Dont think its gonna happen
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
    988 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    Solving the net neutrality debate:
    Pay for you usage of internet, instead of its speed. (or with it`s speed factored in)
    PROBLEM F**KING SOLVED.
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    Syris Male 13-17
    219 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    The internet is the last form of 100% freedom available to anyone, as soon as this is gone, who knows what will happen.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    Oh dear...auburnjunky has no clue what the phrase "Net Neutrality" actually means.
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    kula35 Male 18-29
    159 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm
    Those bastards, slowing down my illegal file sharing...
  30. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    fiizok: The term `Net Neutrality` is a misnomer for what it actually is, Government Controlled And Regulated Internet, Just like China and North Korea.

    Liberals love to hide their ugly crap wrapped inside a nice sounding name, It`s par for the course.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 7:06 pm
    No fizok. Apparently YOU don`t.
  32. Profile photo of OutWest
    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm
    Leave the net open, free, and without regulation! True freedom is net neutral. If you don`t want to read it, view it, or hear it, then go to a site you like.

    This is just a clever way of controlling what we view, or say.

    Probably the idea of a liberal lawyer? (Politician).

    I am sure they want the net as neutral as the MSM?
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    HumboldtPie Male 18-29
    311 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    I feel like a lot of people aren`t getting exactly what this was all about. This is not 100% about taking one`s rights away by blocking certain cites but not others (although there are instances of that happening), it`s mainly about companies trying to get an edge over eachother by paying for better service as well as docking the speed of things that are viewed as negatives (illegal downloading).

    I for one have done a bunch of illegal downloading and don`t advocate for P2P band-width reduction but I completely understand why this tilt is justified, and why certain massive corporations would want in on some faster services.
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    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    May 19, 2011 at 9:43 pm
    drat the caps, at&t, and the regulation of data that those companies dont own, they only transport the data, they have no right to control where it goes, we already payed for the service, they need to upgrade if they are struggling, which they arnt, its just them trying to convince end-users like you all that there is some sort of bandwidth shortage, its not real, they just need to update the systems their too cheap to... billions to buy out t-mobile but they are too poor to update? drating bullpoo
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    bullswool Male 30-39
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    May 20, 2011 at 1:06 am
    I do love this show
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    venice08 Male 18-29
    108 posts
    May 20, 2011 at 1:25 am
    I`d listen but that guy has a funny accent so I don`t care
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    May 20, 2011 at 9:01 am
    If you are in favor of NET NEUTRALITY, you are in favor of GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED and REGULATED INTERNET.
    Yep. If that`s what it takes to keep download speeds consistent, then that`s what will happen.

    What? The government puts laws in place for ISPs to keep access speeds equal in order to maintain equality between websites. How is that bad?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    May 20, 2011 at 9:06 am
    ... Of course even that is not necessary so long there are enough ISPs and people have the choice to go with one with consistent speeds.

    Except that there are too few ISPs, and they`re all massive and half way monopolized.

    So... government intervention where the market fails!
  39. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 20, 2011 at 11:34 am
    LazyMe: That is why there are anti-trust laws. At&t was broken up many years ago in order to foster competition, but they`ve re-consolidated again somewhat.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    May 20, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    This is a thinly veiled attempt to break the ice on government involvement in the internet. It has nothing to do with equality, it has everything to do with control.

    How many of you have had problems with your ISP blocking content? Liberals are suggesting a fix to a problem that doesn`t even exist, taking the situation way out of context in an attempt to scare people into allowing the government to impose regulations on the internet... and you can bet the government can`t wait to get its grubby fingers on the net, now that it knows how much influence it has.
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    deputy Male 50-59
    449 posts
    May 20, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    At this moment in my country, 2 phone providers publicly said they use Deep packet inspection to analyze data traffic. This is worrying me since that method also allows for more than just analyzing the sort of data, but also the contents. I don`t want a private company to have easy access to the porn I send to other people.
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    dielaughing Female 13-17
    129 posts
    May 22, 2011 at 1:35 am
    This is really terrifying but what do we do about it? How do we stop it?

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