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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    Link: Man Goes To Jail For Two Marijuana Plants... - Is he a dirtbag stoner? Nope. His wife has cancer and he was growing them so she could use them to relieve her pain.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    The law sucks. We should get it changed.
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    magerune Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    Horse poo
    Where the drat is the worlds common sense?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    This makes me sad.
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    JustDani Female 18-29
    409 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Sad! The stuff really shouldn`t be illegal anyways... ugh.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    What message are you sending by committing an old man to prison? It`s bull sh*t.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Sooooooo much going on. Y`all will cover the pot thing so I`ll go with

    SEXISM!

    They both lived there but only the man is arrested?
    what kind of crazy sexist poo is that!
    AND the stuff was for her not him but he`s in jail!

    Women want equality until it comes time to pay the bill.








    p.s. okay, I really to mean about half of that.
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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
    256 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    Unreal. God forbid it ever happens but if me and/or my wife are stricken with cancer, I`m planting a field of it.
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    zlatan Male 18-29
    292 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    @gerry i`m guessing he probably took responsibility for all of it, considering he doesn`t want his wife, with depression and cancer, to go to jail
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    Zombiemike Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    This is pretty dispicable. The government is only half to blame, the people are letting this happen too.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    What are you waiting for? Get the law changed.

    There are pretty much zero arguments left that support it.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm
    i`m guessing he probably took responsibility for all of it
    Agreed.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:34 pm
    That`s a bunch of BS this is the reason we enacted the medical marijuana law here in Montana. And then the Feds hit a bunch of places a few months ago (must have been needing some money) and now the state government is placing more restrictions on it. I`ve never used it but even if people use it for non-medical purposes, it`s a stupid plant that`s pretty much harmless and is beneficial to some people that really need it. It helps more than it harms and criminalizing it harms more than it helps. So I`d like to extend a sincere Montanan drat you to the Federal Government.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Disgusting. She should have a website I would send a letter of protest and my dollar of support in.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    This is the height of insanity. Anyone who thinks that arresting this man and putting him in jail is an appropriate exercise of state power needs to have their head examined.
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    Golden1 Female 18-29
    123 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    This is drating ridiculous. What is wrong with our country? You can sit at home and rot from cancer but don`t try to ease your pain or we will lock you up. How many times do we have to see things like this? Please vote for poos sake.
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    teq78 Male 30-39
    216 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    the point is that the law has its hands tied since it doesnt matter if ur doing it for a good reason its still illegal and the authorities cant go around choosing who to punish, the law is clear and the law is the law.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    You break the law, you pay the price. He deserves this, there are other ways to go about getting `pure` marijuana.

    I always like to think we as a people are headed for a Utopian society. Anyone who thinks mind altering substances are a good thing seem to be headed down the wrong path IMO. People want to feel better or happier... I`d deal with the underlying problems so you can feel those ways without drugs....or alcohol for than matter.

    It really is sad to see so many people who want this, thankfully it will never be legalized for recreational use so I can stop worrying and you can stop dreaming.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    I don`t understand this country. We aren`t allowed to do anything for ourselves. Can`t ease your pain from cancer. Can`t fish or hunt for your own food without paying out the wazoo for it. You have to be rich to be modest. My opinion, who cares.
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    TeamVenture Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    Klamz is a filthy troll, no one could actually be that blind and stupid. Utopian society? Spare me, what are you 8 years old?
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    @Klamz- Glad to know the nanny state`s still getting head from somebody.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    f`in hippies
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    Anyone who thinks mind altering substances are a good thing seem to be headed down the wrong path IMO.
    Your opinion is wrong.

    People want to feel better or happier... I`d deal with the underlying problems so you can feel those ways without drugs....or alcohol for than matter.
    What if you want to feel better but have no underlying problems?

    thankfully it will never be legalized for recreational use
    Nope.

    ...so I can stop worrying and you can stop dreaming.
    What exactly are you worrying about? There`s nothing there.

    In conclusion, you are an idiot.
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    thanks, LazyMe484. people like that drive me f*cking nuts.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    It`s this simple: the DEA doesn`t want competition. Did you guys from the U.S know it is the biggest drug importer of all your country?
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    planty Female 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    so were they not in a MMJ state?
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    "It really is sad to see so many people who want this, thankfully it will never be legalized for recreational use so I can stop worrying and you can stop dreaming."

    You are completely ignorant as to the actual effects of marijuana. Marijuana is, quite literally, the most amazing plant on the face of the planet. Straight out of the ground, it can help people with a myriad of ailments, and be used in various industries to boot. The only reason it is illegal is because it has so many uses - the timber and textile industries have a vested interest in keeping it illegal, because hemp will provide so much competition.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    My opinion is wrong? Oh okay, thanks for clarifying that.

    As for having no underlying problems, hah what a joke, who doesn`t these days. Ask a drug counselor - it`s all about avoidance issues.

    Wanna know why it won`t ever be legalized? If it was then people would want to start to legalize other drugs. Not to mention drug addicts don`t vote nearly as much as those who don`t use and it`s not getting passed with a populous vote.

    Glad to know I`m an idiot and that we can have a debate on a subject without the name calling. Based on that alone - I win.

    While I may seem a troll, my cause is just. To get people to view both sides of the issues instead of just blindly following the majority. Don`t be a sheep.
  29. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 7:28 pm
    @RETARDEDBEAR- You hit the nail on the head. The DuPont corporation, which was having a difficult time selling nylon fabric in the face of competition from hemp, and William Randolph Hurt, who had invested in lumber holdings as a source of wood-pulp to make paper, lobbied heavily for the criminalization hemp under the guise of campaigning against the "evils" of marijuana. But really, it was all about destroying the competition. And if you listen to what was being said about the "evils" of marijuana at that time, it`s laughable.

    Read the description of the marijuana high at the beginning of Reefer Madness- it sounds more like a combination of the effects of alcohol and PCP. Though really no more absurd than the ads on TV against marijuana today- like the one that suggests that getting stoned can lead to being date-raped. I literally saw that ad immediately preceding an ad for Bailey`s.
  30. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    @Klamz- You`re right- drug addicts generally don`t vote as often. But marijuana smokers are not drug addicts. Marijuana smokers, just like casual drinkers of alcohol, can be found in all walks of life. The perception that it`s just burnout hippies smoking is patently false.

    Momentum is clearly growing in favor of the legalization of marijuana. Could there be a successful push back against it? Perhaps, but I don`t think it likely. The vast majority of young voters in California voted for legalization in the recent referendum. The opinion that it should remain illegal is a stubborn remnant of an era where people believed that stoned black and Mexican people were going to rampage through the suburbs and rape all the white women.

    When you look at the FACTS, it becomes glaringly obvious that the human and economic costs of marijuana prohibition vastly outweigh any imagined costs of legalization.
  31. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    As far as avoidance goes- that depends on the drug. Personally, when I did smoke marijuana, all of my problems and self doubt would come painfully into focus. Sometimes this helped me work through those things, but it never helped me avoid them.
    Same goes for other psychedelics.

    From my personal experience and from observing my friends, alcohol seems to be one of the number one drugs for avoidance.

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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    Not all are addicts I do believe the vast majority of users are. Under the guise of thinking they are just using it to relax or fun and don`t need it. They`re lying to themselves as do most addicts. If you`ve ever uttered the phrase "I could sure use a beer" or "I need a drink" - then your an addict maybe not a hardcore addict but you need it to block your issues as much as it will.

    I agree it costs the government much more to criminalize it than not especially when you take into account incarceration costs and legal fees. However if it were legal it would basically be turned into a bag of potato chips or a top product at a fast food joint. With no restrictions pretty much everyone would be using nonstop. Not to mention the horrible smell that travels quite a distance, I certainly don`t want my apartment smelling like that because my neighbors like to get high all the time. I`d be unable to open my windows or go out without holding my breath.

    Somet
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    hopeislost Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    @ LazyMe484 ....Amen Brother
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    So, in california today, the state lost it`s case before the supreme court. Which means they have to release prisoners in our overcrowded prisons.

    Why so full?.... arresting pot smokers.

    but, no one does stupid like the good old U. S. of A.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    view both sides of the issues instead of just blindly following the majority. Don`t be a sheep.

    Right, because the reason marijuana is still illegal is because the majority supports its legality... that makes plenty of sense.

    You do realize if it were legalized, it would be restricted like booze and cigarettes, right? Probably more so. To think it would be available as an add-on to a happy meal is willfully delusional. If you`re against drugs, then don`t do them, but don`t turn it into some morality issue. If alcohol is legal, there is not one reason marijuana should not be.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    If tobacco and alcohol are legal, I don`t see why marijuana is. It`s not any more dangerous, it can ease pain, and yes it kills brain cells, but unless you smoke it every day it`s not that bad.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    There`s no argument. It`s only a matter of time before it`s legalized...it`s already being legalized for medicinal use.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    I don`t think alcohol or cigarettes should be legal either. Though I do have an appreciation for them as they help me decide who I associate myself with or rather don`t associate myself with.
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    @TheShgn2 "yes it kills brain cells"

    I disagree. Regular usage will cause fat deposits in the brain, dulling memory, but certainly not killing physical brain cells. Alcohol on the other hand, does.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    Dirtbag criminal, hang him by the peen! (rolls eyes...geez)
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    @Klamz- That`s an EXTREMELY loose definition of addiction. Virtually any behavior that a person engages in more than once could be considered an addiction according to you. Maybe you should do some research before you put your fingers to the keyboard. You seem to be pulling facts out of thin air to support your argument, giving weight to claims that you`re either a troll or of meager intelligence.

    There are very specific criteria that psychologists use to diagnose a person as an addict- and they`re far more stringent than a person thinking "I sure could use a beer/joint/etc."

    As for your assertion that "everyone" will smoke weed "nonstop" is totally absurd. Marijuana is unbelievably easy to obtain where I live, and the legal consequences for smoking it are minimal. I doubt many people will start smoking just because it`s made legal. Hell, I won`t start smoking it if it`s legalized because I don`t want to smoke it.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm
    Also, MrTwidget is correct- there is absolutely no evidence that smoking marijuana, even in large amounts, causes brain cells to die. Drinking booze and huffing gasoline, on the other hand...
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    Uh okay klamz-- what are your thoughts on caffeine? Or pickles? Do people who come home after work and think `Man I sure could eat a pickle or two right about now` have an addiction problem. Or television? Do those qualities in people scare you away too? You`re probably doing them a favour by not associating with them.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 8:55 pm
    @Klamz- So I have a question for you. You don`t want marijuana legalized, and you think that alcohol and cigarettes should be outlawed too. So where, then, do you draw the line? How far should the government go in ensuring that people don`t harm themselves? People suffer serious bodily and brain injuries while skiing and snowboarding. Maybe those should be illegal too. And motorcycles. While we`re at it, maybe everyone should wear padded clothing in case they trip and fall. Eating a poor diet and living a sedentary lifestyle can lead to very serious chronic health problems. Should the government plan our meals and mandate that we get up early every morning and go for a run? Where do you draw the line between reasonable and excessive regulation of individual liberties by the state?
  45. Profile photo of Kaleotera
    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:09 pm
    Passing over the whole "marijuana should be legal" issue.

    I can honestly see both sides of this. The couples and the law. I think it was wrong to imprison him for growing two plants, but letting it go is breaking the law.

    What they didn`t mention in the story is that while her husband is in prison, his social security will be cut off leaving her to maintain the household with her own. The couple also doesn`t have any medical insurance.(Which is part of the reason I think they were growing weed in the first place.)
    It is sad and my heart goes out to them both.

    @Klamz: Seeing both sides of the issue is all well and good. This was in the state of Ohio, where there is no legal marijuana for medicinal use. So finding other sources of pure marijuana would force this couple to uproot their lives and move to California(or other state with legal weed). Just thought I would mention that.

    More definitive research studies will eventually lead to
  46. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    @Kaleotera- You`re right, in that the police don`t have the power to choose which laws to enforce. When it comes to unjust laws- and prohibiting a person from growing marijuana to treat the symptoms of his wife`s cancer is clearly unjust- the responsibility for overturning the law rests, ultimately, with citizens. Many are trying to overturn prohibition through legislative processes- but the judicial branch has historically been a powerful avenue for achieving greater freedom and equality for average citizens. If this man were so inclined, he could try to attempt to obtain a pro bono ACLU attorney and appeal the case on the grounds that his Constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties are being violated. And he`d still probably lose. Furthermore, this would most likely take the rest of his life and prevent him from being with his wife during her last days, so I can`t really blame him for not going that route.
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    Why would you want to get high anyways? Seems like a waste to me, but thats just my opinion on the whole subject.

    Also, if you dont want to do the time, dont do the crime. It sucks, but if you dont like it call your senators, reps, etc. to try to get a vote. =/
  48. Profile photo of Kaleotera
    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:37 pm
    Continued from last:

    More definitive research studies will eventually lead to marijuana legalization. When scientists can PROVE that it has benefits.

    Whether or not it gets legalized doesn`t matter to me because I don`t smoke it. I do however keep an open mind about it. I know a few people who would truly benefit from it, rather then taking a myriad of pain killers daily.

    Legalization would also lead to it being more controlled. Not to mention the government would tax the living hell out of it.
    @Klamz: You really have a generalized view of addicts. Someone who is very close to me is an alcoholic, yet he has never uttered the words "I need a drink." or "I sure could use a beer" even if he hasn`t had a drink in a few days/weeks. You really need to take a step back and get back in touch with reality. Not everyone acts a certain way because they are of a certain group. The more comments I see from you make me wish that you would get off yo
  49. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:41 pm
    "The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something." Notice the use of OR not AND. Hence "The condition of being compulsively occupied with something" I don`t have a loose definition, the definition is a loose definition. If someone feels a need to do something and does it multiple times even though it`s unhealthy, obviously an addiction.

    How far would I go you ask, while I would not want to infringe upon a right, rights should be limited to those who can manage them properly. With 60%+ of Americans overweight I would certainly restrict certain foods to people cleared to eat them based on physical examinations. If someone has 300+ cholesterol and a BP of over 200/120 they shouldn`t have the right to eat a 1,000 calorie triple cheeseburger full of garbage.

    The US tries to stop suicides why not try to stop people killing themselves slowly. If you`re healthy and take care of yourself then eat what you like. Ot
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Klamz - "I don`t think alcohol or cigarettes should be legal either."

    We tried prohibition...twice. Once with alcohol and now with marajuana. Guess what - it don`t work.

    If something is relatively affordable and popular, the people WILL have it regardless of government. And if you believe in freedom and liberty, you have to grant people the liberty to make their own choice in these matters.
  51. Profile photo of Kaleotera
    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    Continued yet again from last: @Klamz: The more comments I see from you make me wish that you would get off your high horse. You have the air of a self-righteous,close minded hypocrite.

    You talk about seeing both sides of things but slam other people when you think they aren`t worthy of associating with you.

    You need to broaden your mind dude. Not everyone who smokes or drinks is bad. I can`t fault you for the choice of not associating with people who smoke or drink, but you are missing out.

    Quit putting labels on people and open your mind.
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    eovogt Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:50 pm
    Only in America...
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    Kernel Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 9:54 pm
    I like your thinking, Klamz.

    "I don`t like it, so it should be illegal."

    You should run for office.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:05 pm
    Judges and Czars..
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:05 pm
    Gerry101: As the question was posed to me, where do you draw the line? Legalize cocaine? how about ecstasy? I`ve always wanted to own unstable nuclear material are you suggesting that if we have the money to afford it, we should be able to have it? Same for terrorists too then right? I have a feeling this will end badly.

    Kaleotera: I`m not saying they`re bad, I`m saying something they do makes them undesirable for me to be around, generally the smell of what they smoke or the way they act. Furthermore of course I slam the opposition to my view, I`ve looked at both sides and read the information on it so when I choose a side I`m well informed and always keep my mind open to new ideas should one arise.

    I don`t see however altering peoples mind to a less effective state will do anything good. If someone needs drugs to relax, that will never change until they deal with their problems.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:06 pm
    Oh yeah, eovogt? Try this one on for size: Schappelle Corby
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    Oh, I don`t know. All my friends from high school smoked weed ALL THE TIME. I went to college, they took a few classes at the local cc. Coincidence? Doubt it. I`m still friends with them of course, but I can`t be around that lifestyle. Smoking 2-3 times a day. I would feel the same way if they had a drink 2-3 times daily.

    Medically speaking... I think I would be more supportive if there weren`t at least 3 skillion other pain relievers on the market. And I`m sure, at least a dozen of them are all-natural. Cheap, on the other hand?? Now that`s a horse of a different color.
  58. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 23, 2011 at 10:12 pm
    Kernel: It`s not that I think it should be illegal because I don`t like it, it`s because it hinders our progress as a society.

    People are dying horrible deaths all over the world largely in the middle east, decapitations in mexico, always fun to have your head cut off nice and slow right? Theres a video on the internet if you wanna see what it looks like.

    And these people are concerned with... getting their high. Hmmm.
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    Kernel Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:21 pm
    Because legalizing cocaine is totally equal to personal nukes.

    I was joking about running for office, Klamz. Please don`t. Your ideology horrifies me.
  60. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:24 pm
    @Klamz- That`s pertty loose compared to the definition in the DSM-IV, but it does capture the spirit of the clinical definition found in that book. But even still, saying "I need a [insert drug of choice">" is not addiction according to the definition that you yourself just provided. Simply saying that doesn`t suggest compulsive behavior, especially considering that the word "need" is routinely used in place of the word "want" in the vernacular. If someone feels that they need a beer in the true sense of the word, and has one despite the fact that they genuinely want to abstain from alcohol, THAT would be compulsive.

    But I suggest you refer to this link for the clinical definition of addiction.
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    FlamedNight Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    Just be responsible with it. It`s not that big of a deal.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    sbeelz: In one of his comments earlier, he basically did say fat people should not be allowed to eat certain foods. The government should be in our fridge, taking our cheese for our own good. Nanny state indeed.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    "How far would I go you ask, while I would not want to infringe upon a right, rights should be limited to those who can manage them properly. With 60%+ of Americans overweight I would certainly restrict certain foods to people cleared to eat them based on physical examinations. If someone has 300+ cholesterol and a BP of over 200/120 they shouldn`t have the right to eat a 1,000 calorie triple cheeseburger full of garbage."

    @Klamz- what you`re talking about is fascism. You`re talking about where the government completely takes away the right of private citizens to choose how to live their lives.
  64. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:33 pm
    @Boadicea- Yeah, sorry, I reacted too quickly and failed to read that part of his comment, which is why I deleted mine and replaced it.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:35 pm
    drat, I can`t believe I wasted so much of my evening on this poo. Klamz is clearly either a troll or a lunatic extremist, but thanks to Poe`s law I can`t tell the difference. Either way, I`ll never get that time back.
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    Kernel Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    You aren`t wasting anything, sbeelz. You are on i-am-bored.com.
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    n0n Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    yah, like everyone is saying, klamz, obviously wants people to hate him. klamz, you think these people are just lazy hippies wanting to get high? do you have any idea how beneficial to our health marijuana is? beneficial, as opposed to over-the-counter prescirption drugs that only do maybe 20% of what they claim, the other 80% being damaging side-effects that just make the patient worse.
    stop trolling, you`re stinking up the place.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    I`m not a pot smoker. I don`t have anything against it, it just messes me up.

    Having said that, WTF is wrong with you America? You`re meant to be the "Land of the free", yet you have more people in prison than any other nation on earth. And that`s both in per capita terms and in absolute terms. That`s right, you lock up more of your civilians (again, even on a per-capita basis) than China, Iran, or North Korea.

    Here`s the bomb. The majority of those prisoners are in there for minor drugs charges. Mainly because they had a bag of weed.

    It still astounds me, to this very day, that alcohol and cigarettes (both of which I consume copious amounts of, not trying to be holier than thou), are vastly more harmful than weed and yet are legally sold in every gas station, while weed is not. Yet we demonise these people that smoke pot, like it`s some kind of devil-plant.

    For f*ck sake, catch a grip.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    It`s not fascism it`s simple restrictions for those who can handle them. It`s necessary and the government knows this which is why they have things like social security. People cannot take care of themselves as a whole, if they didn`t have social security few people would have money when they`re older because no one plans that far ahead. People live day to day enjoying the comforts that kill them.

    Perhaps the US should not confine people to a mental hospital if they try to kill themselves anymore, maybe thats too fascist... perhaps we shouldn`t have restrictions on owning guns, maybe thats a bit too fascist deciding who can own and who can`t.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:44 pm
    @DixxyRarr- medically, it`s not just used for pain relief. One of the most common uses among cancer patients is as an anti-emetic. It`s one of the most effective, safest, and cheapest medications to treat nausea and stimulate the appetite on the market. Compare it to metoclopramide, which can cause permanent neurological damage.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    I don`t see however altering peoples mind to a less effective state will do anything good. If someone needs drugs to relax, that will never change until they deal with their problems.
    Klamz, I`m going to assume that you therefore never drink beer (including on weekends), since it is entirely what you just described. Except that beer will also f*ck your liver over time, wheras pot does nothing.

    Again, I say this a person who doesn`t partake in it (despite living in Amsterdam for 7 years. Yeah, I know.)
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    "Land of the free" is just a marketing campaign they did a while back. Freedom to do whatever you want means complete anarchy until someone gets too strong and takes power. Gang rule. Try Somalia. You see it a lot in video games when the restrictions are removed, all people do is kill on sight and thats it. Absolute power may corrupt absolutely, but so does absolute freedom.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:49 pm
    Your assumption is correct.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:50 pm
    "People are dying horrible deaths all over the world largely in the middle east, decapitations in mexico, always fun to have your head cut off nice and slow right? ...

    And these people are concerned with... getting their high. Hmmm."

    Are you implying that these decapitations are because people smoke marijuana? What?

    "If someone needs drugs to relax, that will never change until they deal with their problems."

    You have a very, very narrow minded view of why people use marijuana, and you obviously don`t actually know it`s effects (of which ZERO are negative). You also have a completely distorted view of liberty and freedom. The government doesn`t need to tell us how to live. If I`m not infringing upon the rights of another person, why should I be unable to consume whatever I feel like, in the privacy of my own home?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:52 pm
    Ugh go climb back under your bridge, you`re ridiculous.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:53 pm
    "Try Somalia. You see it a lot in video games when the restrictions are removed, all people do is kill on sight and thats it. Absolute power may corrupt absolutely, but so does absolute freedom."

    You`re making quite a jump, from legalizing marijuana to absolute anarchy. Somebody has been sippin on some kool aid, if you catch my drift.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:54 pm
    RETARDEDBEAR, hold me close. No, shhhh, don`t say anything, just hold me and let`s enjoy this moment. I think we might agree with each other on something for once.

    NO! Shhhh, say nothing, don`t spoil it. Let me bask in the warmth of your companionship.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    "NO! Shhhh, say nothing, don`t spoil it. Let me bask in the warmth of your companionship."

    I lol`d
  79. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:00 pm
    @Klams-
    Social security is a safety net and in no way restricts personal freedom, and thus has nothing to do with this discussion. Fail.

    Hospitalization for suicide is a medical intervention, not a legal one. The goal is to stabilize the person so they can recover, not punish them to deter others from attempting suicide. You fail again.

    Gun control- I`m not pro gun-control, but it`s also not relevant to this discussion. We were talking about the government restricting behavior that causes harm to one`s self. Irresponsible gun owners can cause enormous harm to innocent people. People who smoke pot are demotivated, but all attempts to try to link smoking herb and dangerous behavior have failed. That`s three strikes, bub.

    You`re all over the map, once again demonstrating that you`re a troll; you`re arguing for argument`s sake rather than trying to take a cohesive position on an issue- thus proving that I`m not as smart as I pretend to be, as I`m still
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:01 pm
    ...still wasting my time with you.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    You`re making quite a jump

    not quite. look at American politics and their `freedoms`. *warning generalization ahead*

    dems- complete social freedom- gays can marry!
    complete financial restraint- 30%+ taxes

    rebubs- complete social restraint- gays cant marry!
    complete financial freedom- start a corporation, get huge tax break, rule the world.

    america wasnt built on total freedom. you just need to pick which means more to you.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:03 pm
    @davymid- lol, I was thinking the same thing.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm
    I actually wasn`t trying to point out connections between Mexican drug wars and US drug users, which are all too obvious. I was pointing out our society is garbage and opinions suspect because people are more concerned with their high than people being tortured to death.

    I also wasn`t jumping from legalizing marijuana to anarchy I was just commenting on davy`s statement.

    Why should you be unable to do what you want as long as it doesn`t infringe upon another. Simply put because you can`t see the future. When your driving in a car and have a heart attack and veer into oncoming traffic (hmmm) when you kill me it`s too late to stop you so we need to to preemptive actions to prevent as much as possible these types of scenarios.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm
    Retarded Bear, let`s expand upon your objection to Klamz`s quote. John Stossell would say that the reason those people are getting their heads cut off is because the CARTELS are running the show. Remove the illicit nature of any substance, service or product, and you pull the rug right out from under organized crime.

    I`ll let you enjoy your bask - I`m sure you`re long overdue after all those hours spent nabbing fish with your `bear` hands X-\
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:10 pm
    Social security restrict people from spending all their money as they don`t get to keep it then and there, yes it is a safety net, THATS THE IDEA! we need more safety nets. Not Fail!

    Hospitalizations for suicide attempts nonetheless restricts your freedom. Again, Not Fail.

    I`m all over the map because there are so many examples of the government restricting freedoms to make society as whole better.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:10 pm
    "When your driving in a car and have a heart attack and veer into oncoming traffic"

    Doesn`t that just mean we need to improve our traffic system? There are a thousand ways you can kill someone in a car, and most of them have nothing to do with drugs or overeating.

    "our society is garbage and opinions suspect because people are more concerned with their high than people being tortured to death."

    I`m sure you realize that these people are being tortured to death by those who profit off of drugs. They profit off of drugs because they are illegal. Hence, all of the evils which you describe can be attributed to the laws themselves.

    @Suicism - John Stossell is the man, and I totally agree with everything he says. I hope he gets Beck`s time slot when he leaves Fox News.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:12 pm
    "When your driving in a car and have a heart attack and veer into oncoming traffic (hmmm) when you kill me it`s too late to stop you so we need to to preemptive actions to prevent as much as possible these types of scenarios."

    Wow, just wow. So you`re saying that the government`s role is to completely minimize all risk? Do you know how totally fuuking crazy that sounds? Man, this just keeps getting better. I know I should be studying, but morbid curiosity keeps me coming back for more.
  88. Profile photo of RETARDEDBEAR
    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:13 pm
    "I`m all over the map because there are so many examples of the government restricting freedoms to make society as whole better."

    How do you measure whether or not it actually makes society better? I would argue that drug laws make society far worse.

    Did prohibition make society better? Nope. It sure was intended to, but instead, it just created outrageous crime. Huge crime syndicates formed in every major city, and even today our society is still affected by them.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:13 pm
    @DixxyRarr all those "3 skillion other pain relievers" have sever side effects.

    I know a dude he was insomniac, he couldn`t sleep for and could go without sleep for weeks, so he went to the doctor and the doctor gave him legal sedatives so he could sleep, those piles had the side effect of getting you hooked so you needed them everyday, after a month of this bullpoo he could take it any more so he stopped taking them and felt horribly, he couldn`t sleep was depressed and almost killed him self because he couldn`t sleep.

    One day he tried weed, he took one joint and slept fine for a whole week without taking antidepressant and sleep medications. Now what would you prefer, taking "natural" pills that make you a addict and makes you feel depressed so you have to take antidepressant or smoke ONE joint at home and sleep for a week without felling depressed?
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    @Klamz- Actually, I will give you that the the idea of the medical system taking people`s freedoms away to protect them from themselves is rife with interesting ethical dilemmas, and it does rub me the wrong way, especially as someone that will be entering the healthcare field. But it`s still a separate debate. This discussion is about the role of government in restricting individual liberties. Plus, even if we were talking about a suicide law, it wouldn`t be relevant considering the degree of harm to one`s self and family caused by suicide is on a totally different order than the supposed harm caused by smoking pot.

    Collecting money for social security might restrict the amount of money a person has, but it still doesn`t restrict what they`re ALLOWED to do. Not relevant.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    Fine, Fat person falls over due to heart attack and lands on a kid and breaks their neck and they both die.

    And.... innocent american tourists being abducted in foreign countries and killed.

    You pick out one aspect of what I`m saying and are trying to get the upper hand by discrediting it. I hate it when people do this because I have to constantly remind them of what I said. If you wanna get the upper hand then discredit the whole argument not one portion of it.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:19 pm
    Have you read "Give me a break?"
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    You know what I just realized? Klamz sounds exactly like Anakin Skywalker in Attack of the Clones in that awful scene where he and Padme are lying in that field talking politics on Naboo.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    If you were told that a new plant was discovered in the rain forest, which could, with NO side effects, relieve pain, create euphoria, ease upset stomachs and headaches, reduce the risk of cancer, help insomniacs sleep, and on top of all of its medicinal uses, the plant can be used to make rope, paper, clothing, cosmetics, fuel, and food... would you tell me that it should banned and wiped off of the face of the planet? If you didn`t realize it was marijuana, you would probably say "No way! We need to cultivate it as fast as possible!"

    It is unfortunate that people do not see cannabis for what it really is.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    Im not all about being a stoner, but i have to admit its pretty rediculous that big tobacco and alcohol are totally legal and marijuana is not. I say legalize it and tax it. I think most smokers dont realize they will probably have to pay more for pot when it does become legal.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    "Fine, Fat person falls over due to heart attack and lands on a kid and breaks their neck and they both die."

    WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? Are you actually suggesting that there should, or even could, be a a law to prevent freak accidents like this? Really? drat.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    "Fine, Fat person falls over due to heart attack and lands on a kid and breaks their neck and they both die."

    First of all, wtf? Second of all, has this ever happened? Third, are you saying that we should limit what people are allowed to eat, because someone might have a heart attack and crush someone else?
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    temp4comment Male 60-69
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    Dirtbag stoner.

    PS. I`ll never need it.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:27 pm
    By your logic, Klamz, we should probably stop letting people reproduce altogether. Reproduction results in the propagation of murders, rapists, drug addicts, fat people, terrorism, and automobile accidents.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:28 pm
    Yeah, I think you might be right RETARDEDBEAR. The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement had it right all along.
  101. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    Well bear lets just take a Nihilistic point of view and say that nothing is moral or immoral and we can therefore in no way judge whether anything we do is good or bad.

    Social security isn`t so much about the restriction as it is about planning ahead because people can`t take care of themselves.

    Yes I do believe it is not only the governments responsibility but ours as well to eliminate as much risk as reasonably possible without controlling people and depriving them of basic human rights.

    DUI`s happen a lot, legalize marijuana and it will happen even more frequently. My point, people cannot take care of themselves and will do whatever you let them. We need to reduce their opportunities to cause a risk to others.

  102. Profile photo of RETARDEDBEAR
    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    "DUI`s happen a lot, legalize marijuana and it will happen even more frequently."

    Marijuana does not negatively impact your motor skills and judgement like alcohol does. If anything, the availability of cannabis would cause more people to choose it over alcohol when they know they have to drive. By the way, I would feel safer being surrounded by stoners on the highway than I do being near a single old man in a parking lot.

    "My point, people cannot take care of themselves and will do whatever you let them."

    So, you basically want a nanny state, where the government takes care of everyone, because they are too dumb to take care of themselves. I think the government is too dumb to decide what is best for us, so there is that.
  103. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    "We need to reduce their opportunities to cause a risk to others."

    Yeah, to others- but all along you`ve been advocating for a nanny state that protects people from themselves. As far as DUIs from Marijuana goes, show me a statistical correlation between driving stoned and traffic accidents. I`ve driven drunk on several occasions in the past- I`m not proud of it, but I would never suggest that I wasn`t endangering others. I`ve driven high on weed hundreds of times, and if anything I was a more cautious driver stoned. A study was done in the UK about a decade ago that found the same was true for their test subjects- stoned drivers are able to successfully compensate for the effects of the drug.

    A life without any risk is boring. As a species we taking chances is necessary for growth- a world in which humans minimize all risk is a world of stagnation.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    Create euphoria... I`d call that a negative side effect. This way you can kill someone, dope up and feel perfect about what you just did.

    Reproduction doesn`t result in those, bad parenting does and YES they need to restrict procreation to those who should be allowed to do it, make it a licensing program where parents are drug tested and have been together for a minimum time frame amongst other things.

    My fat man falling example is to demonstrate why you don`t just pick 1 aspect of an argument to try and discredit because I can easily change that aspect, you need to discredit it ALL.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:40 pm
    @Klamz- your ideal world is my dystopian nightmare.
  106. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:42 pm
    "Yes I do believe it is not only the governments responsibility but ours as well to eliminate as much risk as reasonably possible without controlling people and depriving them of basic human rights."

    And herein lies the problem- your idea of what`s a reasonable restriction of risk, and what constitutes basic human rights are so far off from what I`d consider sane that we really don`t have any common ground on which to discuss what good government looks like.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:44 pm
    "Create euphoria... I`d call that a negative side effect. This way you can kill someone, dope up and feel perfect about what you just did."

    Yeah, I know, that used to happen to me ALL THE TIME when I smoked weed. I`d just take a big fcuking bong rip, stab my friend in the head with a pair of scissors and feel GREAT about it!
  108. Profile photo of RETARDEDBEAR
    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:44 pm
    "Create euphoria... I`d call that a negative side effect. This way you can kill someone, dope up and feel perfect about what you just did."

    No, it doesn`t work like that. Only in Reefer Madness.

    "Reproduction doesn`t result in those, bad parenting does and YES they need to restrict procreation to those who should be allowed to do it"

    The root cause of all of humanity`s problems is obviously reproduction. If nobody reproduced, then there would be nobody left to hurt anyone, ever. Isn`t that what you want?
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:44 pm
    Link - not sure of the correlation to traffic accidents but it has an effect on movement and thinking and therefore on driving.

    It`s not that I want a nanny state, it`s that it`s necessary if you want people to be taken care of. 60% of america is overweight, if you can control something as simple as your weight then you can`t take care of yourself. I can give more examples so this time instead of trying to discredit the weight example just try and prove me wrong by showing me how people CAN take care of themselves properly as a whole.
  110. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    "My fat man falling example is to demonstrate why you don`t just pick 1 aspect of an argument to try and discredit because I can easily change that aspect, you need to discredit it ALL."

    The problem is, Klamz, that you produce absurd arguments faster than anyone could possibly keep up with discrediting them. Is that your strategy then? Just make one ridiculous statement after another, and as long as there`s at least one in the thread that hasn`t been shot down yet you`re automatically right in your mind?
  111. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    "Yeah, I know, that used to happen to me ALL THE TIME when I smoked weed. I`d just take a big fcuking bong rip, stab my friend in the head with a pair of scissors and feel GREAT about it!"

    This is where I die laughing. Nice.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    "it`s that it`s necessary if you want people to be taken care of."

    I don`t want people to be "taken care of." If you can`t take care of yourself, then you will go the way of the dodo. That`s kind of how nature works.

    "try and prove me wrong by showing me how people CAN take care of themselves properly as a whole."

    I`m not saying people can or cannot, I`m saying it is none of my business, or yours for that matter, whether or not they do. You worry about yourself, and leave everyone else alone. If they are only hurting themselves, then it should not affect you in the slightest. You are advocating controlling people so that they do what you deem acceptable, and nothing more.
  113. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    You don`t see any logic behind a government limiting things to those who are capable of using them properly? Everything for everyone no matter if the majority abuse it?
  114. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:51 pm
    "I can give more examples so this time instead of trying to discredit the weight example just try and prove me wrong by showing me how people CAN take care of themselves properly as a whole."

    Yeah, people make terrible decisions about their lives. I`m not gonna argue with that. But if you want to minimize the ill effects of that, outlawing behavior that you see as detrimental isn`t the answer. It doesn`t work. All it does is put more people in prison. In fact, we have more people in prison (for criminal offenses) per capita than any other nation on the planet, yet we still have enormous problems with drug addiction and violent crime. Our society`s problems- economic, social, health-related, behavioral- are all complex, and require complex solutions, not restrictive laws.
  115. Profile photo of RETARDEDBEAR
    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:53 pm
    "You don`t see any logic behind a government limiting things to those who are capable of using them properly? Everything for everyone no matter if the majority abuse it?"

    No, I do not see logic in that. I see logic in allowing everyone to decide for themselves. If not, the government decides, and who says that the government is always right? It is made up of people, who are fallible, just like you and I. I don`t want someone else making my choices for me.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:55 pm
    What about when they aren`t only hurting themselves bear? What about when they use the freedoms they get to hurt others.

    So I shouldn`t worry about all the people dying in other countries being murdered by their governments, not my country not my problem? To me it`s unacceptable and I`d start a global war to stop it in every country if that`s what it took. I`d go so far as to completely wipe out humanity via thousands of nuclear strikes to stop this kind of violence. No point of living if you can`t do it in happiness as a whole and i`m not talking about fake drug induced happiness.

    I care about people.
    You appear not to.

    Lets post those 2 phrases on an advertising campaign and see which one everyone agrees with more.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:56 pm
    One last interjection before I go to bed. And again, I reinforce that I`m a non-smoker of pot, I have no skin in the game.

    I lived in Amsterdam for 7 years, where it`s legal to smoke pot. You can buy pot from licensed dealers like you can buy yoghurt. The attitude there is very much "hey, people are going to do it anyway, why not control it, tax it, and bring it under government control".

    The result? Holland is one of the best places in the world to live in. There`s very little crime, last year they were ranked the best country to live in by the UN`s Human Development Index (which is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide.)
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    Countries don`t fall apart by legalizing pot, quite the opposite in fact. They tend to do quite well. The Scandanavian countries spring immediately to mind.

    On the other hand, you have (in the US, as I pointed out earlier), the highest population in prison of any country in the world. Largely for posession of small amounts of pot.

    Prohibition doesn`t work. Look at 1920`s America, when alcohol was prohibited. It just drives the industry underground to the gangsters, loads of people end up in jail (to the detriment of the taxpayer), and it still goes on anyway.

    And I say again, alcohol (tobacco too, but that`s a whole other subject) is much more harmful than marijuana, both socially and physiologically. Yet both of those are legal.

    I don`t get it. The Dutch model seems to work out pretty well. And with that, I`m off to bed.

    Laters.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    "To me it`s unacceptable and I`d start a global war to stop it in every country if that`s what it took."

    Holy sh*t.
  120. Profile photo of RETARDEDBEAR
    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2011 at 11:59 pm
    "I`d go so far as to completely wipe out humanity via thousands of nuclear strikes to stop this kind of violence."

    "I care about people.
    You appear not to."

    When I read these two statements, I have to think, you have a strange idea of "caring."

    "What about when they aren`t only hurting themselves bear? What about when they use the freedoms they get to hurt others."

    We are talking about things that do not hurt others. You should have complete freedom, as long as your actions do not infringe upon the rights of others. Doing drugs, in and of itself, does not infringe upon anyone`s rights.

    420 posts...hmm. I think I`ll go reflect deeply on the topic of cannabis.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:01 am
    drat it. I`m going to bed. RETARDEDBEAR, it`s been nice agreeing with you for once. As a parting thought, on a tangentially related note, I could really go for some good LSD right about now.
  122. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:03 am
    You have to understand tho sbeelz that this is just one aspect of my views as a whole. We also need to turn prisons into rehabilitation centers instead of just incarceration facilities.

    Like I said early on, I like to think one day we will have a Utopian society and everything we do is a step towards that goal. If not, then just kill us all now and get it over with.

    Some people believe in god for faith, I believe in the future of human kind to become a just and noble society.

    Bear, our government is fallible? just another example of our mistakes and our need to be taken care of. Laws written to abide by accomplish this much better than people.
  123. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:09 am
    "We also need to turn prisons into rehabilitation centers instead of just incarceration facilities."

    FINALLY, something I can agree with you on!

    but then...
    "I like to think one day we will have a Utopian society and everything we do is a step towards that goal. If not, then just kill us all now and get it over with."

    Sh*t. Really? Living for a utopian future is just as delusional as living your whole life just to get into Heaven. Do I think we can do better as a species? Hell yeah! But we are also animals and physical beings, subject to the law of impermanence and random chance- not all variables can be controlled. Live to make the present better, not the future, because the present is real. The future`s just an idea.
  124. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:09 am
    Well presented davy, the only objection I make is that what works for one place doesn`t always work for another.

    I`ve got a feeling Americans are of completely different mental state than those of Holland, meaning it could have a completely different outcome for people who act like us as opposed to those in Holland who are so amazing.

    If you`re all leaving I guess I have nothing left to say except I thank you for limiting the times you and everyone else has called me a troll as it hurts my feelings because that`s not what I intend.
  125. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:18 am
    Well presented davy, the only objection I make is that what works for one place doesn`t always work for another.
    That is very true, and a very valid point.

    If you`re all leaving I guess I have nothing left to say except I thank you for limiting the times you and everyone else has called me a troll as it hurts my feelings because that`s not what I intend.
    Nah, I`m a professional troll-sniffer. That`s why my username is red. I do this for a living. And you`re obviously an intelligent guy who has something sensible and intelligent to add to the debate. Just because others (me included!) don`t agree with you does not a troll make.

    I for one have enjoyed the debate immensely (and thanks all for keeping it civil!). Till next time!
  126. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:35 am
    @Klamz- I do want to apologize for resorting to calling you a troll- but sometimes it can be difficult to tell. In any case, it`s not an excuse. I sometimes embarrass myself with how mean-spirited I can get on-line, when I`d never use ad-hominem attacks during a discussion in person. I can appreciate the fact that you feel troubled when you observe all of the problems in the world, even if I disagree with many of your assumptions or with the solutions you propose to those problems.

    I also enjoyed the debate, even if I should have been studying instead :)
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    Comagirl123 Female 18-29
    110 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 12:42 am
    Davymid. I haven`t been watching this debate nor do I have any particular opinions on it. I just noticed one thing: "Countries don`t fall apart by legalizing pot, quite the opposite in fact. They tend to do quite well. The Scandanavian countries spring immediately to mind."
    But none of the Scandinavian countries have legalized pot, quite the opposite? Maybe I understood your comment wrong though.. Just wanted to ask what you mean by that :)
  128. Profile photo of Ajikan
    Ajikan Male 18-29
    1526 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 1:46 am
    I wont speak my mind about this, I`m to tired. And thats exactly what they wanted. But some day I will take action against this corruption, and those who sought to oppress will weep and beg. And I will not show mercy. ha ha ha, am I joking?
  129. Profile photo of danky
    danky Male 18-29
    559 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 2:55 am
    inafter IAB troll-ridden flame war
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    blackcatseye Female 30-39
    685 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 3:11 am
    They really should have grown the plants inside the house, or at least out of sight, that`s just dumb.
  131. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 3:29 am
    @Comagirl123

    He was talking about Amsterdam and Holland before, so I think he may have had a brain fart and said Scandanavian when he meant the Low Countries.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2188 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:08 am
    So what`s the benefits of organic? 60 days and time served. Seriously? 2 plants is small. I`m pretty sure they had a spare bedroom they could have done that inside and no one would have ever known.
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    smo Female 18-29
    351 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:31 am
    Free the weed!

    This really is terrible. My eyes are a bit waterery. (and not because of the marijuana!)
  134. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:34 am
    this was probably one of the most entertaining flame wars i`ve ever read. and this is why i keep coming back to IAB. thanks guys :)
  135. Profile photo of Comagirl123
    Comagirl123 Female 18-29
    110 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 6:39 am
    @Musuko42

    Thanks, that would explain it :)
  136. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 30-39
    2589 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 8:17 am
    60 days?? Man, shut up and just sit down for a minute.. you`ll be out in no time. Less than 8 weeks. They make it sound like he got years.

    If I got caught growin buds and the judge handed me 60 days I`d keep quiet. Some judges up north (in Mich) give out a year to people in simple possession of 2 joints.
  137. Profile photo of jaketb14
    jaketb14 Male 18-29
    51 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 8:44 am
    "Is he a dirtbag stoner?"

    Are habitual cannabis smokers still perceived as dirtbag stoners? I enjoy le ganja every day and have never been viewed as a dirtbag stoner...
  138. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 9:06 am
    @keith2- 60 days could be entirely too long if his wife dies while he`s in jail.
  139. Profile photo of Sock1122
    Sock1122 Male 18-29
    274 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 9:39 am
    lol drugs laws, ruining peoples lives for generations before and generations to come.
  140. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 9:44 am
    A pro-marijuana post on IAB? Well I never, but that`s new!
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 9:47 am
    ...and added by Fancylad too? Wow, this is a day of firsts!
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
    559 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 10:25 am
    This is a great example of why law enforcement must consider each circumstance as it arrives. The police, the prosecutor and the judge all served to bring about a gross miscarriage of justice. Shame on you.
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    BigDaddyJeff Male 40-49
    368 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 11:07 am
    I think that marijuana will eventually go the way of alchohol here in the USA. Too many people smoke it for it to remain illegal. And on that day I will rejoice because I love smoking weed.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7605 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 11:17 am
    Absolutely ridiculous. Totally and utterly unjust - I hope the police and the prosecutor are ashamed of themselves..
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    Baphometa Male 18-29
    70 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 11:24 am
    I live in a green state =D hopefully soon the Feds will let states decide there own laws on marijuana and stop arresting people who have green cards given out under state laws then hopefully after that it will be legal for everyone in a green state
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    TxTnViolence Male 30-39
    197 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    We need to grow the fnck up and quit throwing people in prison for ridiculous poo like this. It makes me ashamed to be an American.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 1:53 pm
    wow
  148. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    @evanbartlett- as much as I hate to see this man in prison, our justice system would fall apart if police, prosecuters, & judges used their own discretion to decide whether or not to arrest, try and convict convicts based on their personal feelings about a case. Their role is to determine whether or not a crime has been committed according to the law as it was written and act accordingly.
  149. Profile photo of jwhalerfan
    jwhalerfan Male 30-39
    220 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:48 pm
    @sbeelz... the same cops and the same judges let drunk drivers off with a slap on the wrist every day. But alcohol is not a gateway drug that ruins lives and destroys families and takes innocent lives.... oh yeah.
  150. Profile photo of jwhalerfan
    jwhalerfan Male 30-39
    220 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm
    and you are talking about the same cops, lawyers and judges who drive around on their cell phones.. especially when they leave the bar... after all, they know all the other cops.... so it`s ok.
  151. Profile photo of jwhalerfan
    jwhalerfan Male 30-39
    220 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 5:52 pm
    MILK is more harmful than pot.
  152. Profile photo of Trojan
    Trojan Male 18-29
    511 posts
    May 24, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    If there is any silver lining to this, it`s that it`s *only* 60 days. Maybe he could get out after 30 or 45 with good behavior or something?
  153. Profile photo of gbrzeatetee
    gbrzeatetee Male 30-39
    174 posts
    May 25, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    Don`t break the law if you don`t want to go to jail.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    May 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    drat the penal system, just drat it
  155. Profile photo of duffytoler
    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    May 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    Fascist conservitard DICKS!!!!
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    sadpanda1990 Male 18-29
    56 posts
    May 26, 2011 at 1:57 am
    @gbrzeatetee
    You may be one of these people who follows the laws whatever they state but this case is an example of how stupid these laws can be. Laws should be continually questioned to make sure that they make sense and help humanity.
  157. Profile photo of greenbasterd
    greenbasterd Male 18-29
    2377 posts
    May 26, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    gbrzeatetee writes
    "Don`t break the law if you don`t want to go to jail." your a looser. people like you are failing and your country shows it
  158. Profile photo of ImaComputer
    ImaComputer Male 18-29
    286 posts
    June 3, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    @greenbasterd
    So "gbrzeatetee" is possessing the ability to not be firmly or tightly fixed in place?
    apparently "you`re" failing....at grammar.


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