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194 Responses to Genderless Baby In Canada Causing Controversy

  1. Profile photo of edana42
    edana42 Female 50-59
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    Link: Genderless Baby In Canada Causing Controversy - It begs the question--what does define gender? Its parents speak out about the public`s outcries.
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    krembill Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    It`s obviously a boy, who cares...
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    human_exile Male 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    who cares? their kids will grow up to be gay anyway
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    I`m pretty sure that`s a boy.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    Mind your own [email protected] business people!
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    Deviros Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    ...I`m not really seeing the point here. I cannot even begin to understand how this has hit the news - at all.

    Not to mention the fact that the idea that the child will "form it`s own gender roles" is a bit odd - at some point, he/she is going to realize that they either do or don`t have dangly bits, and that other children of different sexes will probably _ask_ the child if they are a boy or girl and the first time it (see - i`m calling a human "it" - this isn`t healthy) says "I don`t know" the concept of dangly bits will be explained.

    The pigtailed boy, though, now that`s just odd.

    Still sounds like a massive case of attention whoring to me though =/
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    bet it grows up to be queer whatever it is
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    Theyoyoguy Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    We`re gonna find out what gender it is in the long run anyway. The baby will learn he`s a boy and everyone will get on with their lives. The only way for them to truly hide his gender is to remove his private parts, and undergo facial reconstructive surgery to remove any gender defining characteristics.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Finally someone with the balls to try this experiment. Should be good for science and I`m looking forward to seeing what the outcome will be in a few years.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    Meh, looks like a boy. Parents are bat-s h i t crazy though...
  11. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    @Theyoyoguy

    You appear to be confusing gender and sex. Please educate yourself.
  12. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    @a1butcher

    This family isn`t the first to try this.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    I feel bad for their older boy, Jazz.
    First those braids. Kids are gonna make fun of him, and if they last till high school, kick his ass. And you know what knick-name the kids will use for Jazz ... Jizz! It`s the most obvious name.

    Poor Jizz. He`s in for a hard life.

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    cryingrose Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:13 pm



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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    It`s a boy. End of story.
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    ADRUNKHOBO Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    Didn`t this happen in a tv show?
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    Who cares? Let the people live their lives. The fact that this is national US news weirds me out.

    Although, I would be very interested to see how the children turn out in 10, 15, 20 years. The older son with the pigtails, for example. I can see him either embracing that as a teen and being a stronger person because of it or possibly having culture shock when he is teased for being "a girl" and becoming another "it gets better" statistic.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    I can see both sides to this. They won`t be forcing their child into any predetermined gender roles, which I really do appreciate, but on the other hand he/she will probably be confused if they don`t tell him what sex he/she physically is.

    The line at the beginning about "the world doesn`t need to know what`s between our baby`s legs, because it`s voyeuristic" initially made me think they were just being stupid. Knowing a gender has NOTHING to do with pedophilia.
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Yea, it`s undoubtedly a boy.
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    alisia Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Jizz isn`t in for a hard life. One of the hottest guys I know wheres his long black hair in a braid sometimes. He is intelligent, hard working and gets hit on constantly by women. Eh. I say let people do whatever. They obviously love their kids they just have different views. I wouldn`t do it but they seem educated enough. Leave them alone.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    These people are IDIOTS!
    It`s been done before, in Canada, and FAILED miserably! ie: lifelong depression and suicide.

    A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. 99.99% of the time this rule works just fine.

    To deliberatly subject a child to a sick "experiment" should result in criminal charges and jailtime for the parents.

    *huff! puff!*

    There, I think I got it all out, thx!
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    FemBot Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    I think that the parents can raise their kids however they want to. But it`s a little weird for them to think that the children are deciding these things completely for themselves, I`m sure that someone/something will influence them to make decisions. It`s presumptuous of the parents to think that we`re born the people we`re going to become.
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    Tartaros Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    and why is this stuff on the news? honestly who cares? it really is noone else`s business except their own -_- people really have nothing better to do sometimes
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    FemBot Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    @5cats - Have you ever read/seen The 10th Kingdom?
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    BDT1981 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    I remember a neighbor boy asked his mom to have red fingernail polish like his Little sister. When I saw it I instinctively said `boys don`t wear fingernail polish.` and it was enough to to the kid to demand his mom remove the polish.

    One day, if these kids are not shut-ins,they will be told the difference between boy and girl and made to choose just to fit into whatever group they like more. They will STILL CONFORM no matter what.

    Conforming to the non-conformist is still conforming
  26. Profile photo of SlothOfDoom
    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    "what does define gender?"

    Um..the genitals.

    Also...damn that baby is ugly.
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    BDT1981 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:52 pm
    PS I think braids are alright, but pigtails are hideous. Just my opinion
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    noxert323 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 4:55 pm
    The gender of my child is not the world`s business.

    But how will we attack them with marketing campaigns?!?!?!
  29. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:04 pm
    What defines gender?

    Easy...

    GENETALS!!!

    Gender isn`t a frame of mind. Gender isn`t a choice. Gender isn`t a "controlling factor". Gender isn`t a big deal (unless you make it one).
  30. Profile photo of ScottSerious
    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    OH GOD. I dratING RAGED!!!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUU
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    While I can see the reasoning behind this let`s not forget the facts that the parents are hippies, especially with giving their children names like Jazz and Storm.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    only in canada......
  33. Profile photo of WolfStar
    WolfStar Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    To begin with, I thought the baby was actually androgynous, in which case I could understand not pushing one gender or another onto it, but this is just odd. I hope the kid comes out of it stronger, like they seem to think it will, rather than totally messed up from years of bullying. I understand what they`re trying to say, but they`re potentially risking their childrens` happiness by turning them into experiments.
  34. Profile photo of DrProfessor
    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    "What defines gender?

    Easy...

    GENETALS!!!"

    You uh... realize that some people are born with both sets of genitals, right?

    I`d say your best shot is their sex chromosomes... XY or XX. Although even then you can have babies born with XXY, etc.

    And of course there are a lot of born-men out there who feel more comfortable being a "her" and vice versa.

    So maybe it should be whatever they want to define themselves as. And, really... the kid`s gender doesn`t have to be anybody else`s business.

    Finally.. That kid`s totally a boy.
  35. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    it`s a boy
  36. Profile photo of zombieland
    zombieland Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    Am I the only one who looked at that kid and knew it was a boy?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    First: The child also didn`t ask to be born and therefore was "drafted" into a world where perception is reality and unfortunately the reality is that people are drating stupid.

    I applaude the parents. It`s nobodies drating business.
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    flingspoo Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    I bet they`re gonna be mad if their kids end up straight.
    Why don`t they just molest the kid to make it effed up? Wouldn`t that be easier than this?
  39. Profile photo of k8lin
    k8lin Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    @ RobSwindol

    Technically, gender is a choice. You`re confusing "gender" with "sex".

    World Health Organization
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    Joeraccoon Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    Yeah, the parents might be gay, and decided to be together to have a family, and if homosexuality is actually in the genes, this seems like a good way to raise the child. The real question is: Why is this on the news?
  41. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    oh my ducking lord the amount of ignorance in these comments is unbelievable. You`re not usually this bad, folks.
  42. Profile photo of Emagin
    Emagin Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    Either way, growing up isn`t easy. Perhaps they have eliminated the pressure of having to fit into societies "gender norms" but therein created the problem of feeling exiled and odd around other children. I applaud the parents for giving their baby and children a choice, whether or not it imposes new problems, I believe it will shape strong individuals, people who will speak out for what they believe in, and put pressure on the world to give their children a choice. I know when I talk about having a child, I tell everyone that I will not be doing blue or pink, or decorating the room or picking out clothes based on the gender. I am going to yellows and greens, soft browns and reds. I want my child to form opinions of the world his/herself, without pressure to be what I want them to be, or what the world says they should be.
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    symmachus Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    "It`s been done before, in Canada, and FAILED miserably! ie: lifelong depression and suicide."

    Care to elaborate?

    "A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. 99.99% of the time this rule works just fine."

    Keep on squaring that circle 5Cats.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:13 pm
    Let`s also not impose on him/her which language to speak, what to call numbers, what math symbols mean, what a colors are called, or names of any emotions... That way he/she will independently decide what these mean to him/her.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    To deliberatly subject a child to a sick "experiment" should result in criminal charges and jailtime for the parents.

    It`s a good thing that practically nobody shares your views.
  46. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    "what does define gender?"

    Ummm, let me think about it...

    Genitalia! Period.

    If it has a penis, it`s a boy. If it has a vagina, it`s a girl. These parents are idiots, and are going to spend thousands in therapy later.
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    souladdict22 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:37 pm
    I like this.
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    souladdict22 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:38 pm
    Gender is socially defined. Sex is biologically defined.
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    Mad_Gremlyn Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    Wow. This post sure has brought the AIB nuts out of the woodwork. Some of these posts, like "flingspoo,"Joeracoon" and "Paperduck," actually make Gerry or Crakr look pretty mundane by comparison. Leaping to absurd extremes, recommending child molestation, a conspiracy by two gay people. Priceless. ;~)
  50. Profile photo of beckyn3kids
    beckyn3kids Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:44 pm
    WHen I worked at Ren fest there was people who didn`t believe in gender stereotyping their kids. I realize it isnt the same thing but I couldn`t tell what was what. It was common to see boys with long hair and flowers in it and girls with short hair and blue overalls. They all seemed happy
  51. Profile photo of BigM
    BigM Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    I`m for this new type of developpement. I`d like to see how it works out when the child gets older. The reason psychologist don`t want this to happen is because it can put into question Sigmund Freuds work and these one minded psychologist wouldn`t be able to handle that.Asides from that its no one elses buisness except for the couples. There are so many worse things happening right now.
  52. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    who the drat cares if its a boy or a girl...why the drat is this even news?
  53. Profile photo of the_windy
    the_windy Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    I have no problem with this. I don`t think the child will grow up depressed or confused. They will be called what they want to be called once they are sure on how they feel inside. And no one can say they are wrong, because no one will know their actual gender (except for the parents, who already don`t care what their child wants to live life as). The parents have to talk to their kid before they start learning the human anatomy in school though if they do choose to be the opposite gender they were born.
  54. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    "Am I the only one who looked at that kid and knew it was a boy?"

    no...
  55. Profile photo of imatwirp
    imatwirp Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Gender is determined by many genes. To explain... All humans start with generic genitalia that resemble female genitalia more than a males`.
    The presence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome is what gives the child a testicular sac, a penis, and the gonads develop into testis.
    There have been cases where there was a mutation in the SRY gene and receptors that causes a male, with female parts. In other words. An XY individual with boobs, and a vagina.

    There is more going on in the body that you can imagine that determines sex/gender.
  56. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    Very informative, imatwirp, but you`ve still confused gender with sex.
  57. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    "but you`ve still confused gender with sex."

    GENDER IS DEFINED BY SEX!

    Damn is it so hard?!

    I for one do not want the Earth to become filled with a bunch of androgynous, whiny, bags of feelings.
  58. Profile photo of shappy
    shappy Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    somebody is OBVIOUSLY developing FEV, hes gonna grow up to be yellow. on a more serious note, he obviously is a he but whats it really matter?
  59. Profile photo of TheShgn2
    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:08 pm
    It`s obviously a boy. Just look at it.
  60. Profile photo of NexusLetum
    NexusLetum Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:11 pm
    To all:

    Gender = Sex: as defined by genitalia and genes.

    Gender Identity: What gender you consider yourself.

    That is all.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    auburnjunky - "GENDER IS DEFINED BY SEX!"

    No, actually, it`s not. ORIENTATION is defined by sex. Or rather SEX is defined by ORIENTATION.

    GENDER is defined by whether you have an outie or an innie.
  62. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    NexusLetum:

    That`s confusing terminology. Every person i know who talks about or studies gender identity, sex etc uses gender to mean gender identity and sex to mean biological sex.

    Having gender mean the same as sex is needlessly complicated.
  63. Profile photo of Rawrg
    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    Is this going to make this kid`s life more difficult? Oh yeah.

    That said, out of all the ways parents have managed to drat up their children`s lives over the years, this is pretty tame.
  64. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    AuburnJunky:

    What about intersexed or transgender folk?
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    beggy2differ Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    Let`s also not impose on him/her which language to speak, what to call numbers, what math symbols mean, what a colors are called, or names of any emotions... That way he/she will independently decide what these mean to him/her.

    good answer
  66. Profile photo of Ant0n
    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:28 pm
    1. Ugly baby
    2. It`s a boy
    3. Why the hell would anyone care?
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    Boredhero78 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:40 pm
    @ the windy
    They`re going to be called all sorts of crap in their life and be told they`re wrong all the time by people who don`t love them. These kids are doomed once they leave the secuity of home and the protection of their parents. You know it. I know it.
    I hate people like this. They`re the kind who live in freaking cupcakes and fart rainbows. They teach their children that life is all flowers and nobody can tell them what to do. It doesn`t suprise me that their mother would have a boy-ish haircut and and an older son who looks like a little girl. All they`re doing is setting their children up to be eaten alive by other kids, and by people who don`t give a crap about their feelings and the fake P.C. world they live in. Poor, poor kids.
  68. Profile photo of Psychodelli
    Psychodelli Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    First bag milk, now genderless babies. Damn never thought Canada was so exotic.
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    conniep Female 50-59
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:48 pm
    personally i don`t give a bloody damn if the child is a boy or a girl. also, i don`t think there is going to be any adverse affects. my sister gave her son a doll every year for christmas, and he is great with kids and will be a wonderful father. she gave her daughter a truck for christmas and she can do her own mechanic work, is married with 3 kids and does the same thing. nothing wrong with those kids.
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:49 pm
    Put it inbetween a kitchen and an xbox, whichever one it goes to first will define the gender. If it goes to the kitchen it better damn well stay in there.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    why is everyone so concerned? plenty of needy kids out there that could use the attention but instead we bicker about the choices of these parents who no matter what are going to care for and provide for this child? i think we all have our piorities a little skewed.
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    caduceo13 Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 8:26 pm
    It`s Pat!
  73. Profile photo of SomeShoes
    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    why couldn`t this just stay in sweden or where ever where it originated?
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    scoomanchoo Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    Mind your own fu&king business, fu9k!
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    jessly424 Female 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    it`s not like the kid won`t figure it out on it`s own anyways.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    im going with girl because it looks like a boy. i say this because their son jazz looks like a girl.
  77. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    ...that`s the idea, jessly. Giving the child the freedom to decide who it is by itself without other people in society treating it as male/female from the second the child is born.
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    whipplefunk Male 30-39
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:04 pm
    no one cares
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    ryan99 Male 13-17
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:12 pm
    @Cobra but their son jazz is a girl, they`ve brainwashed into thinking is a boy...

    PLOT TWIST
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    Isobel Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    If I ever get children, I`m going to do this, too.
    I hate gender roles and the way people treat kids differently based on their gender.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm
    Parents now days have forgotten what parents really have to be
  82. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:34 pm
    GENDER IS DEFINED BY SEX!

    No, it isn`t. Gender is defined by whatever bunch of stuff is generally considered gendered in any given time and place. It changes often, both from place to place and over time in the same place.

    Gender is about masculine and feminine, not male and female.

    Random example:

    Here in England, over a space of less than 100 years, pink changed from being gendered strongly masculine to being gendered extremely strongly feminine and is now changing again towards ungendered.

    Basically, gender is whatever collection of stereotypes is normal at that time and place. It doesn`t really have any connection to sex at all.
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    This is beyond stupid.
  84. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    ANGILION: WIN
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    hellsfinest Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm
    I agree with these people completely. Only an idiot would see something like this and decide immediately that it should be stopped. I applaud these people for allowing the child to develop its own sense of sexual identity.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    ANGILION: WIN

    I`ve just looked back a couple of pages and seen other people saying the same thing. I rather like souladdict22`s more succinct explanation:

    Gender is socially defined. Sex is biologically defined.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:42 pm
    i don`t think that is a good idea, but personally i would like to see how he behaves when hes older
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 9:52 pm
    Gender is whether you have a penis or a vagina.

    It is ok to tell your kid they are a boy or a girl.

    Just don`t buy your kid one kind of toy over another. Barbies AND GI Joes. Hot wheels AND tea sets.

    Isn`t that enough? Do we really have to keep the identity of their genitals from them?
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    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 10:20 pm
    I think that the world should be far more concerned with the fact that this child has a Bad Ass Name!
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    May 30, 2011 at 10:21 pm
    Wow, that will be hurting the child? what a douchebag
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    pomokey Male 18-29
    95 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 10:23 pm
    all gender arguments aside, the kid clearly needs a gender assigned to it, for the sake of pronouns.

    Referring to it as an `it` is dehumanizing, like there`s somethign wrong with it. and `he or she`, `him or her`, `his or hers` is unacceptable, because that defeats the purpose of using a pronoun.
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    vVvBrock Male 18-29
    177 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    @HalfPintRoo

    Sex is whether you have a penis or vagina. Gender is how the child is raised, i.e. "gender roles," not "sex roles." Males are typically seen as masculine and females as feminine. By telling everyone the child is male or female the stereotypes (as explained in the video) with be forced upon the child. Do you have a boy? You`ll probably give him toy trucks and balls. Have a girl? You`ll probably give her dolls and a lot of pink.

    You`re forcing the child to act the way you want him to be without giving him or her much of a choice. As someone who took and greatly enjoyed learning about Gender Psychology, I think this is actually a great idea. It will certainly be interesting to see how this turns out years from now or if nothing will really be "different" with the child.
  93. Profile photo of ardystic
    ardystic Male 18-29
    1083 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 10:59 pm
    giving them freedom of who or what they want to be is nice and all but i hope they`re prepared for other kids making fun of them or bullying them if they turn out to be outcasts.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3883 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 11:13 pm
    i read the story on yahoo about a week ago and the parents are complete and utter morons. i encourage anyone out there to look it up and see what they`re putting their other two sons through.

    being a parent means taking responsibility for another (at this time) helpless human being and doing right by them. its always amazing to me that you need a license to drive but just about anyone can have a kid.
  95. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 11:26 pm
    all gender arguments aside, the kid clearly needs a gender assigned to it, for the sake of pronouns.

    `them` will do. It`s an ungendered pronoun that doesn`t have the "not a person" implication of `it`. OK, it`s plural, but English is full of words with multiple meanings dependent on context. One more won`t hurt. It can double up as an ungendered singular person pronoun and it`s much more likely to catch on than making one up and trying to push it into the language.

    Old English handled it better - words had an ungendered form and could be gendered by adding a sex-word as a prefix. Compound words can be unwieldy, but that`s fixed by smoothing them together (e.g. wif (female) + man (person) = wifman, smoothed together into woman).
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    KidGixxer Male 30-39
    182 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 11:28 pm
    Sleep Away Camp anyone.

    Oh and its obviously a boy.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    May 30, 2011 at 11:37 pm

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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
    1185 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 11:50 pm
    Wow, now they just need to home school him/her to complete the mindf*ck.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    May 30, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    This is great and all, yay for sticking up against social norms, but society has social norms for different various, and sometimes good, reasons.

    One word to defend this?

    FURRIES
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    Frankii Female 18-29
    437 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:25 am
    What`s wrong with gender stereotypes? They`re not all bad and, as with all stereotypes, are there because they`re at least a bit true
  101. Profile photo of p-ball4life
    p-ball4life Male 18-29
    645 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:33 am
    I can`t believe this kind of thing is what makes up a large part of our daily "news". Does anyone else not give a poo about this entire situation or is it just me...
  102. Profile photo of Byfield
    Byfield Male 18-29
    464 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:33 am
    That poor poor boy! His life is, effectively, ruined, because of his douchebag parents
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    gothmo Female 18-29
    1324 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:36 am
    I honestly don`t see anything wrong with it. I mean, the people who buy all blue for boys and all pink for girls is ridiculous anyway. Just pick unisex things until they`re old enough to decide on their own. It`ll be interesting to hear what happens if they keep updated on it. Just because they aren`t bombarded into certain gender roles doesn`t mean they wont fall into them eventually anyway.
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    wickedsngr Female 18-29
    457 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:42 am
    @BostonKaiser: I`m not going to get dragged into a whole debate, but suffice it to say that home schooling is not a mindf*ck if done correctly. I was home schooled, and not only am I more socially adjusted than a major portion of most publicly schooled Americans (can`t speak for the schools in other countries), but I feel now that I got a better education for living in the real world than most people got before being shell-shocked when they were dunked head first into college and after.

    Yeah, some people go overboard and try to over-protect their children, (I would totally NOT recommend that these parents home school. lol!). But the vast majority of home schooled kids are well adjusted, intelligent, socially competent, and better mannered than most.

    *steps down off soapbox*

    Continue. :)
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    Chojiro Male 18-29
    247 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:48 am
    Yep, raise the child as a girl, end up hurting him if he turns out to be a boy vice versa. vry smart psychologist obviously has no credibility.
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    KittenCereal Female 18-29
    956 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 1:29 am
    who...cares...
  107. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 1:31 am
    I wish I was liberal enough to know what was best for everyone no matter what

    wait, isn`t that was the religious do?

    You`re all idiots.
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
    133 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 1:59 am
    They are attention whores. They most definitely don`t have the welfare of the child in their hearts, all they want is people to look at them. Pretty sad.
  109. Profile photo of epiphany101
    epiphany101 Female 30-39
    512 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 2:58 am
    It`s often quite easy to tell what gender a baby is simply by looking at their face...Storm looks like a boy.

    As for gender stereotypes & all that...it never ceases to amaze me how much of all that is actually hardwired into us & has nothing to do with what the parents do to dissuade or encourage them. I have a son & 2 daughters & deliberately always gave/give all of them both cars & dolls to play with, etc. I was all for equal-opportunity-gender roles. My son plays completely differently to the way the girls play...he`s busy & boisterous & likes to play with cars & blocks (& often makes the cars crash in to the blocks). Whereas the girls gravitated towards dolls & nurturing soft toys, etc...& they play quieter games that don`t normally involve smashing or yelling. `Nature` is a strong force when they`re little...
  110. Profile photo of Samsquanch
    Samsquanch Male 30-39
    792 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 3:18 am
    It doesn`t work. We tried not stereotyping our children when they were infants as a "boy" or "girl" (though, we didn`t go to this extreme)...my girl still gravitated towards dolls and stuffed animals, and my boy gravitated to trucks and superheroes.
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    yeayeayea23 Female 18-29
    142 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 3:22 am
    The parents aren`t doing anything wrong. The kid will quickly find out what its gender is when it goes to school.
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    Brynjargunn Male 18-29
    22 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 3:44 am
    Yeah make your child a social experiment. That probably wont backfire.
  113. Profile photo of squoggle
    squoggle Female 18-29
    158 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 3:49 am
    If every parent did this, children would grow up happier but this is going to isolate them. Essentially though, they`re putting a lot more effort into being a parent than a LOT of people

    Kinda related, - there was a boy who`s penis was burnt off in an accident so his parents raised him as a girl but he was all confused as a girl and was depressed, so he had a sex change back but he ended up committing suicide after a divorce

    The nature side is so obvious that stereotypes don`t NEED to be pushed onto people, and this way would be free for everyone, but you know, the only baby doing this
  114. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 3:52 am
    @Frankii
    Female, 13-17, Europe

    "What`s wrong with gender stereotypes? They`re not all bad and, as with all stereotypes, are there because they`re at least a bit true"

    You`re right.

    Now get back to the kitchen and stop filling your pretty little head with silly thoughts and ideas. Go do what women are meant for: do the cooking and cleaning, and make yourself look attractive so you can one day give a man a baby.

    You utter...utter moron.
  115. Profile photo of 8BitHero
    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 4:03 am
    It`s their baby not yours.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 4:21 am
    Not pushing gender stereotypes: Positive effects.
    Having your child referred to as "it" until it grows up: ... Yeah, they`re gonna be fiiiiiine.

    Small detail:
    Their other kids are all out of school now due to bullying.
    The kids pick what they want to learn are, are getting no curriculum, aren`t socializing with other kids.
    They are being encouraged to fit opposite expectations to the stereotypes which is just as bad as nudging them the other way plus the addition of social ostracism.

    Also, it`s a boy.
  117. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 4:25 am
    "It`s their baby not yours".

    Logic: Arguments that are valid, work outside of context.

    Yours does not.
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    Wizensilver Male 13-17
    405 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 4:52 am
    I like the idea, but surely the way to go for this would be the same way they`ve decided to raise their other two sons?
    It just seems a little extreme to isolate the child and make it so different.
  119. Profile photo of ScubaFett
    ScubaFett Male 18-29
    176 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:04 am
    PIGTAILS?!?!?!?!?!? ok ok ok, I can deal with this, I`m just gonna think of him as a viking, I`m ok with it now.
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    Maksie99 Male 18-29
    695 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:07 am
    I`ve seen a documentary where something similair happened. A boy`s privates were severely damaged during circumcision and they decided to just raise him as a girl. He ended up committing suicide.
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    Maksie99 Male 18-29
    695 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:08 am
    Oh lol, I just noticed squoggle already posted the same thing. My bad :P
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    duckflash Female 13-17
    570 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:09 am
    I don`t think they are wrong per say, i just think they are taking it a bit too far.
    also, that baby looks like a boy.
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    GHudston Male 18-29
    182 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:12 am
    @LuckyDave

    You could replace the word "Furries" with any other word and your post still wouldn`t make any more sense in the context of this discussion.

    One word to prove that?

    ONIONS
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    davidildo123 Male 40-49
    143 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:24 am
    This is just stupid. Gender stereotypes are one thing, but to deny a child their sexuality is just wrong. It is undeniably a female or a male, regardless of how you choose to label their gender socially.

    One does not have to deny a childs biological gender to raise them free of the stereotypes that accompany the social gender of that kid. They still have either testes or ovaries and xx or xy chromosones.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:27 am
    that baby is clearly a boy
  126. Profile photo of davidildo123
    davidildo123 Male 40-49
    143 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:30 am
    >>>>>You`re forcing the child to act the way you want him to be without giving him or her much of a choice. As someone who took and greatly enjoyed learning about Gender Psychology, I think this is actually a great idea<<<<<

    Yes. That is called being a parent. Infants are really horrible about making choices, that is why control their environment and don`t give em toasters to play with. As someone who took and greatly enjoyed, Being A Parent, I think this is an idea best considered as a thought expirement and not one to subject an actual human to.
  127. Profile photo of FinePoint
    FinePoint Male 18-29
    161 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:36 am
    it`s a boy. congratulations.
  128. Profile photo of lauriloo
    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 6:39 am
    I LOVE how people just HAVE to know what sex a person is. Do you have to know in order to know how to treat it? I think that`s the point the parents are trying to make. They don`t want people to push their sex prejudices on their kid. Something all of you are apparently desperate to do or you wouldn`t be so upset. Can`t a person just be a human being and that be all you people need to know? Do you have to put a label on everything to be comfortable with it, as if putting a label on someone makes them less of a mystery for you? But, hey, that`s why so many people are dependent on religion to explain life`s mysteries. Even if the explanations are bogus, they make them feel less unsure.
  129. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 6:53 am
    The whole world is nuts. Forcing a gender stereotype on a child is wrong. My daughter plays with dinosaurs and trucks and also likes dressing as a princess. She hates baby dolls, but likes kitchen stuff. We let her choose what she wants to like. We don`t force it on her. All you folks saying that not forcing is wrong, are just messed up.

    Who cares if this kid is a boy or girl. The reason they aren`t saying is because they don`t want people buying stuff that will influence the child`s perspectives. Let a kid be a kid.
  130. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 6:57 am
    @davidildo123

    "Gender stereotypes are one thing, but to deny a child their sexuality is just wrong."

    Sexuality =/= sex =/= gender.

    Unless you understand that, you should play no part in this conversation.
  131. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:08 am
    I remember story of a Canadian boy that lost his penis due to a botched circumcision. Parents raised him as a girl on the advice of psychologist. He eventually married a woman but when she wanted to separate he commited suicide. His story debunked sexual reassignment as a plausible form of psychology.
  132. Profile photo of DOUBLE_L7
    DOUBLE_L7 Male 18-29
    96 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:10 am
    Damn hippies
  133. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:19 am
    @madest

    "His story debunked sexual reassignment as a plausible form of psychology."

    Gender =/= sex.

    In crude terms, gender is in the head, sex is between your legs.

    His sex was changed (by accident). They tried to change his gender to match his new sex. It failed.

    When people have sex changes, it is to change the sex to match their gender, NOT the other way around.
  134. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:30 am
    His sex wasn`t changed. The crudimentary changes doctors can make in reassignment surgery are to match what`s in their heads not what others perceive them to be.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36866 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:47 am

    What a great idea!
    Another fun baby related experiment is drop one in with the apes
    at the zoo and let them raise it. See if we gat a Tarzan
    or something.
  136. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:58 am
    @pachouly:

    "My daughter plays with dinosaurs and trucks and also likes dressing as a princess. She hates baby dolls,"

    Okay, fine. Call her a boy, and prepare for the therapy bills when HE takes anatomy in school, or the kids at her school notice HIM growing boobs, or when HE gets a girlfriend......

    Or you can do the sane thing, and call her girl, because she has a vagina.
  137. Profile photo of tattoodragon
    tattoodragon Female 18-29
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    May 31, 2011 at 8:28 am
    Gender is defined by our culture.
    Sex is determined at birth.
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    MightyPeanut Male 30-39
    411 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:30 am
    Why doesn`t baptizing create such controversy?
  139. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:34 am
    @madest

    "His sex wasn`t changed."

    Yes it was.

    "The crudimentary changes doctors can make in reassignment surgery are to match what`s in their heads not what others perceive them to be."

    That`s exactly what I said: they change the sex to match the gender, not change the gender to match the sex.

    Are you even paying attention to what you`re reading?
  140. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:35 am
    "they change the sex to match the gender, not change the gender to match the sex."

    This is true, because if you aren`t bat poo retarded, then your gender matches your genitalia, even if you`re gay.
  141. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:36 am
    @auburnjunky

    "Okay, fine. Call her a boy"

    That`s exactly the REVERSE of what these parents are doing: they are letting the child decide what gender they want to be identified as, rather than deciding for him/her.

    Seriously, why do you have such issue with this? It`s no weirder than letting the child choose their own name.
  142. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:37 am
    @auburnjunky

    "This is true, because if you aren`t bat poo retarded, then your gender matches your genitalia, even if you`re gay."

    I`m not sure how much more offensive and ignorant a person can be in a single sentence.

    Congratulations, you win.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2011 at 8:42 am
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    Gleeballs Female 18-29
    850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:49 am
    thought his brother was a sister.....
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 8:51 am
    @musuko: Thanks. That`s what I was shooting for. ;)
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2011 at 9:49 am
    these peoples other little boy wheres pink dresses.. if my parents let me wear a pink dress when i was to young to undertsand things.. i wouldn`t be happy.
  147. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 9:56 am
    @greenbasterd

    You wouldn`t feel happy to have been allowed to enjoy the things you like without the world telling you that you can`t do it for completely arbitrary reasons?
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    ScissorFox Male 18-29
    97 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 9:59 am
    @lauriloo

    So let me get this straight. You are all for gender manipulation. Even though psychologically it is valid to place that identifier on an individual because sexual identity is more than just a word or a choice. It boils down to biology and how similar yet completely different the male and female bodies function in every way shape and form. So yeah, I think the child deserves the right to know who he/she is.

    You also mentioned something about religious beliefs which I thought was funny as it had nothing to do with your thesis at all and it made you look exponentially more stupid and close minded. I am not exactly a religious person myself. I was born with strong Catholic backgrounds yet I`ve formed my own beliefs in what is right or wrong. But to criticize religion is completely hypocritical of u as defined by your previous comment. It is part of human psychology to try to explain something that cant really be explained. Thus, believing in something, anything
  149. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:11 am
    @ScissorFox

    Once again, sex does not equal gender.

    And biology isn`t the issue here: what stops a boy wearing a dress if he wants to is society, not his penis.
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    jenniferm1 Male 40-49
    39 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Attention Whores?
  151. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:35 am
    @Musoko:

    Yes it drating does! Jesus H Christ way are you guys this dense?!

    If you are born with a Vagina, then you are a girl. If you are born with a penis, you are a boy.

    If you are transgender, and you have the surgery, you are either a girl who has a dick, or a boy who had his cut off.

    If you are transgender, and have not had the surgery, you are either a boy who thinks he is a girl, or a girl who thinks she is a boy.

    There is no middle ground here, at all. These parents are stupid as all hell.

    "Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina." -Joseph, Kindergarten Cop
  152. Profile photo of tryit0nce
    tryit0nce Female 18-29
    101 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    I don`t think it`s anyone`s business. The parent`s only mistake was taking this to the news.
  153. Profile photo of boNeymiZz
    boNeymiZz Male 18-29
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    May 31, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    I think it`s great
  154. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    not sure on what to think, it could simply be just attention seeking parenting
  155. Profile photo of imlaramarie
    imlaramarie Female 18-29
    154 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    I think It`s none of my business and I don`t care
  156. Profile photo of MrYouKnow
    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
    1081 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    What the hell do people care so much?
  157. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    "Why do people care so much?"

    It isn`t that we care. It`s really about how the child is innocent, and unaware that its (his/her) whole life is about to be screwed over by parents making a political/social statement.
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    KittKnickers Female 18-29
    177 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm
    its a boy

    but its ridiculous that this is a major news story

    I think they have good intentions
  159. Profile photo of greenbasterd
    greenbasterd Male 18-29
    2377 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    @greenbasterd

    You wouldn`t feel happy to have been allowed to enjoy the things you like without the world telling you that you can`t do it for completely arbitrary reasons?

    no i would be mad because now that im older i have to look back at the family pictures and be like wtf why am i wearing a dress?
  160. Profile photo of davidildo123
    davidildo123 Male 40-49
    143 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    Oh, I get it. =/= is supposed to mean not equal to.

    In that case, Musucko42, you still miss the point. The parents are denying the sex of their kid. The child still has a sex, and by not recognizing that simple, basic, obvious fact, they are creating a problem where none exists. He/she is still whatever their biological gender says he/she is and fighting gender stereotypes is fine, but by denying the basic fact that there is a biological difference is just wrong. Factually wrong.
  161. Profile photo of mithraela
    mithraela Female 18-29
    535 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    Being a transsexual I know I would have been far better off if my parents had done something like this. Before I could speak I had a sense of the gender I wanted to be and it was never the one others chose for me. That will phuck with your head. I always knew the choices I wanted to make and never could. It always seemed a stupid simple thing to me. Seriously though, it isn`t as though the child would be making the gender choices outside of a social setting. This means the child would be able to identify with others that it feels a gender similarity to and make real choices based in the real world. A child can know who it is even if picked on. I think the problem with folks who have an issue with this is that they do not understand how intelligent children can be about their own identities. Maybe not with other stuff, but you are you from the moment you are born and everybody else is pretty much in the dark about who that is until you come out with it. It`s nobody`s business.
  162. Profile photo of Blakcat71388
    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
    876 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    I like the idea of this, but I feel like they`ve gone too far. Unless the child is intersex, it has a defined sex. They should raise the child to have a sex, while keeping the child`s gender ambiguous. Although I was raised to know what a vagina was and how it worked, I was encouraged to both play with Barbies and race dirt bikes. I was never taught to act a certain way because of my sex - except perhaps to sit to pee - and that is a healthy way to raise a child.

    Of course, s/he isn`t old enough to be aware of what`s going on "down there" just yet, so we`ll have to see how it goes when the child gets older.
  163. Profile photo of CoyoteKing
    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    its a boy
  164. Profile photo of Levyn
    Levyn Male 18-29
    210 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 7:42 pm
    No, the child does NOT have a defined gender. Gender and sex are totally different. Just because the child has a vagina or penis between their legs doesn`t mean they are male or female, mentally. I wish I had the chance to choose.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
    2385 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 9:18 pm
    all babys look the same anyway, like weird aliens
  166. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    What you think you are, has no bearing on your gender.

    Once again. Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.
  167. Profile photo of sum33
    sum33 Male 18-29
    92 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    its a boy
  168. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 10:57 pm
    "What you think you are, has no bearing on your gender.

    Once again. Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina."

    If only life were so simple for everyone. But it isn`t, and there are people whose experienced gender does not match their physical body.

    But simply minds pretend that their simplistic reality is everyone`s reality.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    @auburnjunky-
    You`re confusing gender and sex. Sex is determined by your genital physiology. Gender is self-defined. Sexual orientation is who you are sexually attracted to. And just like sexual orientation and gender, sex is not binary.
  170. Profile photo of ScrapaNater
    ScrapaNater Male 18-29
    14 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    I have to agree with the parents on this one. it`s none of the world`s business. So long as the child isn`t being harmed, why does it matter how the parents raise him/her? the kid will learn its own gender role and ask questions when he/she is ready. this is NOT news worthy in the slightest.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 31, 2011 at 11:47 pm
    Epic drating facepalm.

    Here. Let me spell it out.

    If you have a penis, but feel like a girl, then you are a boy who feels like a girl.

    If you have a vagina, but you feel like a boy, then you are a girl who feels like a boy.

    Yes it is that simple. Yes it is that black and white.

    If you are having psychological issues with it (like this kid most definitely will), got get snipped, or go get one sewn on, whatever the case may be.

    Until that day though, Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina.

    When you fill out a job application, do you answer the gender question based on how you feel that day?

    Man: "Oh I`m feeling a bit girly today. I`ll check female."

    Woman: "Oh I feel so masculine today! So strong! I`ll check Male!"

    Whatever.
  172. Profile photo of danky
    danky Male 18-29
    559 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 12:57 am
    lol`d hard @ auburnjunky
    "get one sewn on"
    LOL
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    merielle Female 18-29
    64 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 2:26 am
    who says boys HAVE to like blue, airplanes and firetrucks? and who says girls HAVE to like pink, dolls, and playing tea? the parents are not doing anythign wrong. this is so stupid.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 5:35 am
    @auburnjunky

    "Yes it drating does!"

    It simply doesn`t. They are different words with different meanings. Often mistaken and conflated, but distinct nonetheless.

    @davidildo123

    "The parents are denying the sex of their kid."

    Correct. They are. Do you know why?

    So that people like auburnjunky here are unable to enforce gender roles on him or her based on the sex.

    THAT is why they`re doing it; to allow the child to figure out their gender identity without being pushed one way or another by other people`s mistaken belief that gender is defined by physical sex.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 5:50 am
    PS: for a simple illustration of how gender does not equal sex: if I kidnapped auburnjunky and surgically altered him into a female body, I`m pretty sure he would still identify himself as a male with a physical body that does not match his psychological aspect.

    TL/DR: Gender is what`s in your head, sex is what`s between your legs. They don`t always match, and what`s between your legs does not necessarily control what`s in your head.
  176. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 5:52 am
    @Heureux

    "But simple minds pretend that their simplistic reality is everyone`s reality."

    To borrow from the American parlance: Hoo boy, ain`t that the truth!
  177. Profile photo of Satkela
    Satkela Female 18-29
    583 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 7:48 am
    It`s Canada. Why am I not surprised. When I first saw this post I assumed that perhaps the child didn`t have any genitalia at all. But this experiment that the parents are performing on their child is in my opinion ludicrous. Wouldn`t it cause more confusion to the child if the parents treat him/her as a asexual being?
    This seems to be just as wrong as the parents who say for instance want a boy really bad but have a girl and make her into a boy or vice versa.
  178. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 7:59 am
    I have to wonder...how many people saying there is nothing wrong with this actually have children?? Also, would any of them do the same to their child? I understand not forcing roles on your child but this is just simply absurd.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 8:06 am
    I also have to agree with FatNinja01...attention seeking parents
  180. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 8:09 am
    "if I kidnapped auburnjunky and surgically altered him into a female body, I`m pretty sure he would still identify himself as a male with a physical body that does not match his psychological aspect"

    If I could no longer function as a male, I would function as a female. Period.

    Then I would find you, and kill you.
  181. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 8:36 am
    @auburnjunky- you have no idea what you`re talking about.
  182. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 9:09 am
    @sbeelz

    He really doesn`t.
  183. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 9:13 am
    Yeah. I have a differing opinion. I must be stupid.
  184. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 10:25 am
    @auburnjunky

    Oh it`s not because your opinion is different. It`s because your opinion is stupid.

    You think you`d simply think and feel and act and live as a woman if I cut your penis off. Just like that.

    And you can`t see why we think you`re stupid?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 10:51 am
    No. You guys have no facts to back up your claims. For years, it has been the consensus that men have penises and women have vaginas. Why has it changed?
  186. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 10:52 am
    ...and No. I don`t think it would be automatic if my penis was cut off. Now if you cut off my testicles and I took estrogen supplements, that`s a different story.
  187. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 10:54 am
    ... fact of the matter is, you think my opinion is stupid, because it is different than yours.
  188. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 7:44 pm
    No. You guys have no facts to back up your claims. For years, it has been the consensus that men have penises and women have vaginas. Why has it changed?

    Are you that stupid or just trolling?

    You have to be trolling. If you were as stupid as you`re pretending to be, you wouldn`t be able to read or write.

    People keep telling you that `sex` and `gender` are different words with different meanings and you keep pretending that they`re the same word. Then you compound it by making silly claims about what other people are saying because you`re claiming that you can`t understand that two different words with different meanings are different words with different meanings.

    You have to be trolling.
  189. Profile photo of samidoll
    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    June 1, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    auburnjunky, you`d think at around 30, you`d have outgrown these uneducated and very stubborn stances. you`re really not listening to what people are trying to tell you about gender and sex being different. why do you think people go through extensive operations to have their sex match their gender? sigh. you make us southerners look bad, and i apologize to the forum on behalf of him.
  190. Profile photo of startech
    startech Male 30-39
    235 posts
    June 2, 2011 at 8:37 am
    This kid will not fit into society. Men and women have different roles (sorry women`s libbers, but it`s a fact) and this kid will not know where he/she fits. Gender "Stereotypes" are there for a good reason. Men have certain roles to play, as do women. Anyone that defends this couple`s decision has obviously not thought this through.
  191. Profile photo of HappyPrize
    HappyPrize Female 18-29
    3 posts
    June 2, 2011 at 8:47 pm
    It`s funny how the people that are defending this couple keep saying that gender and sex is different, which is true, but clearly the couple think it is the same thing, otherwise why would they say they are hiding what is between its legs? Clearly the genitals between its legs is an identification of sex, not gender. There are plenty of people that can raise a genderless baby (my parents sort of did and they are somewhat traditional and conservative), however hiding the sex is not the way to do it. Knowing what people expect from me prepares me to deal with it in a healthy matter. Not telling the kid or people its sex is like not telling a kid to look both ways before crossing a street (ok I know it`s over-simplified). A good parent doesn`t want kids to fear the street (being themselves), but they don`t want them to get hit by a car (reality that the majority of society expects you to follow the gender rules), so they warn them. Also, the 5 year old is already having problems.
  192. Profile photo of sicker
    sicker Female 30-39
    325 posts
    June 2, 2011 at 9:04 pm
    Oh for pity sake, why is this anyone`s business?? People beat on their kids, give them unhealthy food, expose them to things no child should be exposed to and one hippie couple decides to go gender-neutral and everyone has a hissy fit? Wait five minutes - you`ll know soon enough if the poor kid`s genitals dangle or not. Problem solved.
  193. Profile photo of Croc_Dad
    Croc_Dad Male 18-29
    20 posts
    June 5, 2011 at 11:45 am
    Caption fail. It doesn`t "beg the question", it raises it.
  194. Profile photo of Eretsim
    Eretsim Male 40-49
    16 posts
    June 6, 2011 at 12:51 am
    its a boy

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