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Date: 04/02/11 08:05 AM

45 Responses to Rep. Hale Defends Drunk Driving

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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 4:43 am
    Link: Rep. Hale Defends Drunk Driving - If you drink and drive in Montana, you have a lawmaker on your side.
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    rpmeaney Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:12 am
    Nice tie hipster
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:16 am

    DUI`s are not about keeping roads safe. It may have started that way, but now they are a major fundraising opportunity for the state. you`ll pay the fine, court costs, other fees associated with rehab, community service, court ordered counceling, and of course lawyers get their cut.

    The laws are only going to get stricter to raise more money. In many states they`re suggesting new limit of "0". Any alcohol in your system, just one swallow, and you`ll get ticketed.

    But an asian is still allowed to drive and we know he`s impaired genetically! They just can`t drive.
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    theorion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:22 am
    Just goes to show the level of class of both the voters and the voted in Montana (and several other states...)
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:45 am
    I`d thought he`d be a republican.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:57 am
    another republican idiot...
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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:59 am
    "they are not gonna hitchhike" lol...probably because they can`t stand up long enough.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2011 at 9:18 am
    LOL... I think madest is trying to get back at 5cats. Do you find this post boring too?

    Another politician bites the dust. Although the Big Sky Country is a great place.



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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 9:20 am
    @Gerry1of1-

    I agree with most of what you said (except the racist trolling). Traffic laws in general are used too often to raise funds, when they should be focused on actually keeping the roads safe. I get cited for doing 80 mph on a virtually empty freeway, endangering nobody, but the idiot that`s camping out in the left lane doing 50mph in a 55 zone is just fine? Ridiculous!

    The guy in the video is an idiot- eliminating all DUI laws basically allows people to behave with wanton disregard for the safety of everyone on or near the road, and totally disregards everyone else`s rights.

    However, I think that DUI laws need to focus on the actual driving of perpetrators, and not whether or not their BAC is above some magic number.
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    Maksie99 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 9:31 am
    I wonder if he`s related to Saxton Hale...
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 9:41 am
    @sbeelz Doing 50 in a 55 endangers no one. If an idiot tries to overtake him in an unsafe manner then that is the dangerous driver.

    Having to drive a few mile per hour less is not so inconvienent that you can justify risking your life and the lives of others in order to avoid it.

    I prefer to drive the maximim the legal limit allows but I have enough sense to be patient when I am struck behind someone who does not.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 9:58 am
    When I was a kid my parents had a Corvair. The floor was rusted through in the back and me and my sister would watch the street go by. The Corvair didn`t come with seat belts. My grandmother would smoke and my dad would drink. Nothing bad ever happened.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:02 am

    they`re not gonna hitchhike because legislators outlawed hitchhiking.

    Walk home? Then you get it for `Public Intoxication`.

    The gov`ment is determined to get your money.
    By hook or crook ... i.e. by legislating you to death
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    Trojan Male 18-29
    511 posts
    April 2, 2011 at 10:15 am
    Wait, did he just try to argue for lax DUI laws in the name of small businesses?
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:18 am
    I have always thought that DUI should be a felony not a misdemeanor. My guess is too many politicians are afraid they will be picked up after one of their numerous fundraising parties.
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    Xpekt Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:18 am
    @sbeelz These things have to be black and white. There is no room for grey area when it comes to lawmaking. That would defeat the whole purpose. You were breaking the law doing 80, the person doing 50 wasn`t. What drating part of that don`t you get?
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    420foy Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:23 am
    i hope his kids get killed by a drunk driver. case closed.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:41 am
    @Gerry

    That`s why there`s designated drivers. A guy who can barely stand on his own two legs, and has diminished eyesight and reactioned time, is not someone you want out on the streets.

    On the other I do agree with most of what you said in your first post. Last I checked cities in my state have actually made moves (some successful) to remove red light cameras after statistics indicated they were causing more traffic accidents. We also operate under `prima facie` limits so you sbeels could challenge the ticket have it dismiss because the highway was empty. But I don`t recommend pressing your luck if it`s above 100.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:51 am

    @Cajun - My city, San Diego, also debated the red light cameras when studies showed they caused more accidents. The result is they put in more cameras because they generate so much revenue.

    Now, some one ask me again why I`m so jaded ....

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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Why don`t his buddies just take turns being DD?
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    Mckinneysgay Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 11:19 am
    420foy...f u ck you
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    April 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    yeah, how you suppposed to hang out with ya buddies if you cant drive to the bar?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    "And I`ll guarantee you, there`s only two ways to get there: Either you hitchhike, or you drive"

    What, you don`t have taxis in Montana?
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    Boy, you try to take the hooch out of the drunks and they get REALLY pissy! seriously. stay the drat home and drink. if you dont want a DUI CALL A TAXI! if your gonna pay the extra price on every goddamn drink you buy, you should pay for the taxi too. and if its a (small community) it shouldnt be a large taxi bill. just a good way to keep you drunk bastards from killing MY Family!
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    Flying_cow_ Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    Wow, this one takes the cake. A politician trying to use sanity and reason against the money making machine and half the ppl condemn him for it...I think it`s messed up that if I got to a bar and have a few drinks that I can be arrested driving home reguardless of my ability to drive, instead it`s based on a blood alcohol level. Nope, you can`t let a man who`s had a few drive, (reguardless of wether he`s intoxicated or not), but a woman can drive...what`s this world coming to.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    stupid
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    tn11 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    davymid- no. You know how he`s talkin about "small taverns" bringing "small towns" together? The town up there are too small in most of the state to warrant a taxi service.



    Its population is 989,000 people, spread accross 150,000 mi^2. It really is desolate in most of the state, with little or no inhabitation for miles and miles, then little towns cropping up. I mean their representative was wearing a string bow-tie. There used to be no speed limit laws in half the state because they just could no enforce it.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    April 2, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    tn11... you are right on with your description of the Big Sky Country.

    If some of you haven`t been out west, you should take a trip and see the wide open spaces.

    Montana is only slightly smaller than California but only has a population of less than one million compared to California`s 37 million. With a 1/4 of those million Montanans living in 5 or 6 of the largest cities. Lots of land, not a lot of people.

    A beautiful State.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    Maybe they need to instead of not making DUI laws, make ways available to the bar and back from the bar after a long night drinking without driving.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 7:48 pm
    Woo... I live in Montana. It`s great, I practically have an entire mountain as my backyard and no stupid neighbors to bother me. The downside is that cults and crazies like to move here too.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2011 at 7:51 pm
    Also I remember the golden days when there were no speed limits.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    April 2, 2011 at 8:52 pm
    Oh yeah Bubba! Well for me to party in Honolulu I have to swim, fly or ride a boat 200 miles in ocean shark infested waters. Take that.

    BTW I didn`t know you could pass laws while giving a drunk diatribe in Montana? Someone check his water glass.
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    bastrid Female 30-39
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    April 2, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    xiquiripat, I`m from Montucky too. Have you noticed that a lot of the crazies come from Illinois?
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    TIMESWORDSMN Male 13-17
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    April 3, 2011 at 12:58 am
    @xiquiripat,
    As far as I`ve heard, there was only that one cult in Rudyard, and they beat it years ago.
    The part about the crazies is true though, we have our fair share of those.
    Also, hears something neat, I probably know you!
    Fourth largest state and only about a million people live here!
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    April 3, 2011 at 1:01 am
    davymid- no. You know how he`s talkin about "small taverns" bringing "small towns" together? The town up there are too small in most of the state to warrant a taxi service.
    Yep, I hear that. Good point well made. I can see where things are different there. Didn`t fully appreciate how big a space Montana was.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2011 at 10:02 am
    @TIMES: Well I had the distinct privilege of living near Elizabeth Clair Prophet`s CUT compound when I went to school in Gardiner. One of those wackos pulled a gun on my mom, so all the locals from the bars went out into the hills and started taking pot shots at them. Good times. Yep, Prophet was a weird one. Neo-pagan apocalyptic gibbering . The usual. They spent millions of dollars buying up land in southwest Montana to build fallout shelters which you can still find scattered all over the place. And, just like most crazy stuff in Montana, it came here from somewhere else.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Run a night bus that sets off at this leaving time and drops people near their homes.

    More employment for bus drivers, more communal cameraderie on the trip home to bring the community even closer, less drink-driving. Everyone wins.
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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    @xiquiripat

    Yeah, I`m from Alaska. Largest state and less than a million live here. Hell, Anchorage has about 400,000 people in it. Almost half the populace in one city. It`s nice to have an urban area like that, then all you do is drive an hour in either direction and you`re in a national park. Sucks it`s winter about eight months out of the year though. Snows just starting to melt in Anchorage. Montana looks pretty sweet though.
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    n0n Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    in response to the video (because everyone else seems to be jabbering on about cults), i didn`t realise the residents of montana couldn`t drive without the aid of alcohol.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    The point I was making about speed limits, Xpekt, is that they aren`t based on safety, they are set unreasonably low in order to guarantee that they will be violated often enough to generate revenue. Driving 80 on an empty highway is not dangerous. Driving 50 in the left lane in traffic that is moving at or above a 55 mph speed limit is dangerous. I`m not blaming cops for enforcing speed laws, I`m blaming legislators for writing traffic laws that make no sense.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    April 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    @sbeelz

    One of my history professors was talking about the gas crisis of the 70s and how lawmakers lowered the speed limit because studies showed that cars were less fuel efficient at high speeds. What they didn`t account for is the fact if you go slower it takes longer and the situation worsens.

    Also, I have a friend who makes frequent trips between our home in Denver to Phoenix. The stretch of road after Colorado Springs through New Mexico and Arizona is empty desert. Most of it is out in the middle of nowhere: no other cars, no buildings, no trees. He takes his car up to 180 miles an hour because there is NOTHING out there. Still, there are traffic cops who only go out that far because they know people speed. It`s a disgusting waste of money when they should be patrolling the cities where there is more danger.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    One of my history professors was talking about the gas crisis of the 70s and how lawmakers lowered the speed limit because studies showed that cars were less fuel efficient at high speeds. What they didn`t account for is the fact if you go slower it takes longer and the situation worsens.
    With all due respect, your history professor needs to go back to science class. Fuel efficiency is measured in fuel consumption divided by distance. It just so happens that the most fuel-efficient speed in most vehicles is somewhere around 55-60 mph. If I drive to my grandparents house at 60mph and arrive there in an hour, that`s more fuel efficient than driving there at 120mph and arriving in 30 minutes. Because I`ll have used more fuel.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    Heck, the Mercedes-McLaren SLR (top sports car), if driven at maximum speed (over 200 mph), will empty its 21-gallon fuel tank in 19 minutes. True story. Just because you spent less time actually driving =/= less fuel consumed.

    There`s a good reason why passenger flights do not take place at supersonic speed.
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    valleybronco Female 18-29
    93 posts
    April 4, 2011 at 8:16 am
    it appears he might of been alittle drunk himself during this
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    Polymath Male 18-29
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    April 5, 2011 at 8:18 pm
    Fuel efficiency is actually distance divided by fuel consumption, but other than that, Davymid sounds spot on. More and more energy/fuel is wasted overcoming friction the faster you go.

    Anyway, speeding limits arguably help in that you`re better off being in an accident at 50 mph than at 80 mph.

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