Religion To Become Extinct

Submitted by: ryanisrufus 6 years ago in Science
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

Research has shown that religion is on the decline and may become extinct in certain nations
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Male 2,004
now this is something worth celebrating (even if i dislike celebrations)
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Male 191
Prepare yourselves for the coming of the one true god
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Male 1,341
Oh, and who the hell are you to say another God or religion isn`t true? SHOW ME PROOF and I will believe. Screw faith, I need reason.
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Male 1,341
Steven, have fun with those final days of yours... I`m going to go ahead and, well you know, live another 60 or so years.
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Male 116
Dark days are ahead. Read the Revelations.
Kegomatix, the greek gods were mere attempts to explain away "natural occurances".
defiythelie, people have been making up their own gods since time began; Look at the Greeks! So many use atheism as an escape; sad.
There is one true god therefore one true religion. We are in the last days. Prepare yourselves.
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Male 1,341
Well, I believe in the ancient Greek Gods.... Prove them to not exist and I will stop.
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Male 15
Canada still has a public catholic school system though...
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Male 230
I am an atheist, but i dont think religion will be going extinct any time some. What I for see is the death of the big 4 Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism. And I think the future of religion is one were people make up their own gods.
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Male 815
Musuko, to borrow Wittgenstein`s term, there is a family resemblance, agnosticism and atheism are similar, yes, but about as similar as planning on spending a day without eating any sweets and spending a day without sweets with the possibility of eating sweets. haha

there is a bit of a difference, although it is very small. I personally feel like I transitioned out of agnosticism so I do understand the nuance in the differences.
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Male 5,620
This study was conducted by the following scientists:



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Female 412
That is why my home church has had to recently add a service each Sunday, amongst many other churches in the UK, and that is why Christian faith is growing in Countries such as Myanmar (over there the growth has appeared to be less than it is because once a religion is written on one`s ID card it is not allowed to be changed). It has risen officially by about 4% but unofficially (those attending churches but have another religion on their ID) by 9%.
Also the survey doesn`t show a drop in faith so much as a rise in honesty. More people now than say 50 years ago feel free to put themselves down as agnostic or Jedi Knights or what have you.
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Male 405
Yay!
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Male 551
...like something called "Proof". It`s not that science can`t say anything or that we can`t know, is just that we don`t know yet and it`s better, smarter and even honest for science to say "We don`t know, yet". Read a book and learn about the scientific method, most people lack that understanding of science and it`s the most ridiculous and laughable semi-argument I encounter, almost all the time.

Finally... While a religion is something "personal", something I think only a Deist could say, it does NOT deserve any kind of privilege or safe card from being attacked and ridiculed based on evidence and logic, while I do agree people deserve tolerance and respect for their believes, these believes do NOT deserve the same because they spread a mediocre way of thinking
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Male 551
@Oldfrt
Kind of a late response, hope you can read it:

You`re right, and that`s was I was saying, most people don`t decide what they believe or don`t because they are indoctrinated into their believes, or they just don`t care to think enough about what they are believing.

I used a bible reference just to show you that my hypothetical scenario isn`t that far from "reality", I mean, people, throughout history have been listening to "god" and doing (Or denning) what he tells them. My point is that we don`t need a god to decide what`s right or wrong anymore. And no, I didn`t say science can disprove god, not the christian god anyway, science has disproved all of the naturalist gods, like the gods of thunder, rain, the sun and the moon, don`t focus just on the western believes, we are talking about religion in it`s generality. Oh and, just as Reignblazer said, science doesn`t "say" anything if it doesn`t have any reason to do so
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Male 1,116
I don`t have a problem with religious people as long as they leave me alone about my beliefs.
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Male 2,004
now this is something worth celebrating (even if i dislike celebrations)
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Male 1,929
Hooray.
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Male 2,850
@Burton_Ian

People tend to debate the meanings of words, and they change.

But that is how I understand the meaning of atheism. In the same vein as asexual (without sex), atheism in my mind just means "without god".

It doesn`t mean (and excuse the clunky wording) "with no god".

In any case, any reduction in the numbers of people of faith of any kind is an improvement in the world. Faith is a stupid, stupid thing. It`s holding an idea to be true without cause, without justification, without evidence, without logic, without proof.

Faith is a mental failing, and any persons inflicted with it should be deeply, deeply ashamed.
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Female 7,997
I think that the liklihood of their being a divine being is so small as to negligible, it is possible but unlikely. What I can say with certainty is that if there is such a being, it is wholly uninterested in humans.
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Male 815
Musuko, I know how ever there is a difference between agnostic atheism and atheism. By `atheism` I thought you were speaking in the pure sense.

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Male 15,510
TROLOLOLOLOL
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Male 723
So folks are finally going to grow up intellectually by taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everything on some invisible celestial or metaphysical bogyman?

It`s about time. But, I`ll believe it when I see it.

8-) LJ
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Male 2,850
@Burton_Ian

Or to use my cat in the box argument:

When presented with a sealed box, you would be foolish to say, without evidence, that there is a cat inside.

All you can say is "there is no evidence to lead me to conclude that there is a cat in that box."

Equally, you`d be foolish to say that there is no cat in the box, as there might well be a cat in that box.

To make any definite statement either way is wrong. BUT, refusing to make one of the statements does NOT mean you are making the other statement.

If I say I do not support the statement that god exists, that does NOT mean I am supporting the statement that god does not exist. And vice versa.

So that is atheism; it`s not about saying god does not exist. It`s merely about NOT saying that he does exist.
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Male 2,850
@Burton_Ian

"If you are claiming that atheism is not a belief system, it does require a number of presuppositions, so should be known as a belief system."

It uses the presupposition that`s called the "null-hypothesis".

What that means is this: say if someone showed you a rock and said that the rock keeps tigers away, the null-hypothesis is that you assume that the assertion is not true, until it is proven true, rather than assume that the assertion is true until it is disproven.

In this context, if someone asserts a god exists, you assume that the assertion is untrue until it is proven true, rather than true until disproven.

Now, if someone came up to you and said no gods exist, you`d use the same logic: that it`s untrue until proven otherwise.

An atheist rejects both the assertion that gods do exist, and that gods do not exist; neither can be proven.
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Male 10,440
[quote] People will always seek to find answers, Answers that science will never be able to explain.

People want hope and meaning in their life, That is why religion will never go extinct. [/quote]

Oh, crackr, you naive fool. Just what can science never explain? The meaning of life? Is that all your limited imagination can come up with?

Religion does not give meaning to life, it removes it and gives it to death. Hope? Hope that after you`re dead your pain will go away? That requires you to believe it first.

You are uncomfortable with the way the world is moving, but that does not matter. Perhaps the great apocalypse seen by zealots is not an actual ending of the world but an abandonment of religion.

I hope that too many don`t suffer through this transition.
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Male 2,670
Good. We really don`t need Magic Men What Lives In The Sky any more. Way more trouble than they`re worth.
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Male 573
"Religion To Become Extinct"

Glad to hear it, can`t come soon enough.
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Male 815
8)- Again even more generalizing, and it could be argued that the State was the religion in Russian Communism. Further, faulty premise- the USSR was fairly orderly when it came to traditional civil crimes, because there was swift punishments for people who deviated.
9- The US was not founded solely by persons of faith. Their influences were at best deism and humanism and at the very least agnostic. Jefferson, Madison and other founding fathers borrowed heavily from John Locke (a deist) and David Hume (an unapologetic atheist). I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe many of the founding fathers would be insulted and down-right upset if they heard so many people claiming that they intended to create a nation that was governed by christian values.
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Male 815
ahh so I just read Heureux`s comments, so out of continuity:

1) Religion isn`t the only deontological ethics.
2) For Feuerbach God is self-alienated man, and is an extension of your egoism and refusal to acknowledge that we have finite cognition and finite will- we know more than we can effect and we effect things which we do not really know. The egoism related to some religions is that god can provide this for man, simply by asking [prayer].
3)- The fact that some intelligent people in the past have been intelligent ergo all persons who are religious are intelligent is fallacious.
4)- Just because one person who is an atheist is not a member of "people who have a moral code" does not exclude all person all person who are atheist from persons who have a moral code.
5)- more generalizing
6)- more generalizing and ad hoc logic
7)- more generalizing, faulty analogy and just kind of in poor taste
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Male 1,010
@Heureu:

Your attempt at disturbing the discussion by your argumentation, by blaming hate and homophobia on anything else but the church, who introduced these very ideologies to the world, is a chilling confirmation on the cunning mentality of the priesthood. I believe your arguments just as much as i believe that Poland invaded Germany.
All of your arguments are filled with it: from the claim that people who do not believe consider them selves superiour - when the church has never apologized or corrected their damage to the world, to the claim that atheism is prejudice. While the church introduced prejudice in it`s most known form by claiming that the jews killed Jesus, thus ostroscizing the jews for centuries.

But it`s the way of the jackal. Like most chrsitians; it suits you well.
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Male 815
ahh but Musuko, I may be playing devil`s advocate, but I would disagree. If you are claiming that atheism is not a belief system, it does require a number of presuppositions, so should be known as a belief system. In fact, ironically enough, according to Schopenhauer if one was to be will-less (in this case, acting free of a belief system that determines your action) one would have a "God-will".
And philosophically, even if you were an absolute materialist and universal relativist, you would run into a number of issues.

And your response to CrakrJak, I do agree that it is kinda silly to base your metaphysics on an old book (instead of pure reason). But science is excellent at proving how, but when attempting to tackle why, it requires assumed premises.

That being said, I do not identify as a christian, I`m just vigilant of double-ignorance.
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Male 1,010
The churches` war on love and sexuality and its cultural damage is evident, through out the world, even today.

From the man who is beaten to death in Uganda because he happened to fall in love with another man, to the girl in her most vulnerable age of 14 who opens up her locker only to find the word WHORE written inside of it.

This is the heritage of religion. It`s a burden of shame and hate.
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Male 6,737
I`d have guessed that the UK would`ve been on that list.
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Male 2,850
@Heureux

By the way, comparing atheists to homophobes? I am highly amused.

In place of a long discussion of how religion is often the weapon wielded by homophobes to make the lives of gay people like myself worse, I`ll instead just say three words and expect you to shut up, or make a fool out of yourself trying to weasel around them:

Westboro Baptist Church.
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Male 2,850
@Heureux

"Person after person here has simply declared that all people of faith are automatically ignorant, automatically inferior."

Believing something so strongly that you base your entire life around it, when it is impossible to actually verify the truth of your belief, DOES make you ignorant and inferior.

To do so based on fairies or aliens would indicate you are likely suffering a mental disorder. That your delusion is a deity is a difference in detail only.

Atheism is not a belief that there are no deities.

Atheism is merely the understanding that there is no reason to suppose that deities do exist.

There is a difference between believing something does not exist, and not believing something does exist.

It is a minor, but crucial point. Atheism is not a belief system. It is the lack of a belief system.

And anything that isn`t a blind and irrational belief in an unprovable philosophy is a good thing.
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Male 812
I don`t have anything against jesus. It`s just that the Bible doesn`t have really anything else worth listening to, and the church is an institute of persecution and bureaucracy that makes the Gestapo look like mall cops.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"People will always seek to find answers, Answers that science will never be able to explain."

Correct.

But religion doesn`t explain them either.

Or more specifically; it offers explanations that are impossible to verify. That makes them worthless.
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Male 1,010
Practicly every philosopher throught the history was opressed by the church. Almost every single one of was working, with the churchs` firm hand holding a gun to their heads - scrutinizing every word they said, waiting for a chance to get them. The list of scientists and thinkers that has fallen victim of religions constant craving for blood, is long and shameful.
We tend to demand that every ideology reject their historical burdens, and subdue to human rights and respect for nature. But still, many religius groups continue their worship of spirits openly, regardless of the millions that have fallen victim to this war on love, and sexuality between human beings. We allow this - undiscriminately, because we decided to show the church TRUE LOVE and forgiveness by adding "freedom of worship" to our constitutions, the very time love won, and hate lost in Europe and the US in the late 1700`s. But some people just refuse to learn.
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Male 2,332
Ok I`ll bite.

"Science can say nothing about the cause of the big bang"

Theories don’t try to explain everything, just what evidence is available and pertinent. Asking the Big Bang (and Evolution) to do more than this is a double standard. After all, the theory of gravity doesn’t explain where mass came from, etc.

"Selecting a religion and a church, for most people, is a decision on which is closest, not which one is an exact fit."

So having faith is really like having a buffet: cherry-picking just the bits you like and leaving the rest? I see.

"If you want to convince someone you`re right, bring real arguments"

Coming from someone who believes in fairytales with not a shred of evidence, that`s pretty funny.

"Lol "Dr. Wiener"

Smartest thing I`ve heard all day.
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Male 2,841
Doesn`t matter, we`ll always find something to kill each other over regardless of what it is.
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Male 2,402
Hmm...Could of sworn I had seen this article before!

Anyhow Religion will never die. Someone will always come up with some sort of a wacky belief system that a percentage of humans will subscribe toward.
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Male 749
@iceblack, If people do not "decide", then I would agree that their arguments for or against religion would be highly suspect. Most serious philosophers did use formal and rigorous logic to decide if religion made sense and many ended up on the religious side (e.g., C.S. Lewis)

You also seem to be lumping all believers in with fundamentalists. The majority of Christians do NOT believe in Biblical Inerrancy. Also, though our scientific knowledge is vastly improved, it neither proves nor disproves all religion. Science can say nothing about the cause of the big bang.

Religious beliefs, to those who are serious about it, are very personal, and specific church doctrines are rarely a perfect fit for an individual. How many devout Catholics truly believe in transubstantiation? Probably fewer than you`d think. Selecting a religion and a church, for most people, is a decision on which is closest, not which one is an exact fit.
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Female 355
Lol "Dr. Wiener"
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Male 25,417
Silly studies
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Male 1,010
Good riddance. All over the world religion has promoted supression, hatred and violence since it`s birth. The crusades make the Nazi regime look like a kindergarden. Love and sexuality, one of nature`s most wonderful gift to mankind has been the main object of supression and it has suffered greatly and had a devastating effect on our societies. Most christians still look at a naked human being as something to be kept in the dark and sencored, promoting shame and guildt.

It is absolutely no coincidence that most of the countries rejecting religion, is the less violent, less invasive and most prosperous nations regarding human rights.
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Male 551
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It`s just a synthesis of the whole argument, but you know what I`m talking about
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Male 551
@Oldfrt
I don`t think anybody "decides" what they believe or don`t, but
that`s not the discussion. It is true that many smart people believed
in God, but that doesn`t mean they were right, or that it deserves some
kind of respect just because of that

You have to take the whole context in consideration. We now have a much
better knowledge about the universe and it`s laws, and we also developed
"logic" and about what`s "right or wrong".

I was arguing with my brother just yesterday about this, the old "Is something
good or bad because god says so or because it is?" argument, and it all lead to
the conclusion that we don`t need a god to decide this... Even better, if "god"
tells somebody to kill his brother, hopefully, this person will deny to do it
and be morally superior to god. And you`ll say that god wouldn`t do that, but the
whole bible contains stories like that

It
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Male 5,624
"You people are a bunch of fools for taking the bait."
You don`t get the point of this site:
People having an exchange are not bored.
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Male 749
If you decide you`re an atheist, fine by me. But before you deride believers, consider that there were a very large number of very smart people throughout history that did believe, and that did not come to that conclusion lightly. Parroting atheist talking points (e.g., the scary man in the sky with a long beard) just shows your own lack of study (OK, I mean ignorance). If you want to convince someone you`re right, bring real arguments, otherwise, crack a few books first. But please, IAB is not the best place for long detailed arguments. I know, I tried.
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Male 5,624
"Like homophobes, most atheists online are almost completely ignorant about most of the subject they reject"
Recent survey seems to show that most outspoken atheists online had a wider knowledge of multiple religions than those devout.
Link to one survey that showed the very thing was topic on THIS site.

"Atheism only teaches hatred and contempt."
It is true that the most atheist nations are the more peaceful. If atheism `teaches` anything, its that you don`t need the threat of torture to have peaceful people.
You are reaching, generalizing and, if you are a Christian, ignoring a few inquisitions, crusades, a couple of enslavements, some sacking and smidgen of germ warfare, the last three justified in print...
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Male 1,399
(deeeeeeeeeeeeep breath)

HAAAAA HAAA HAAAAA!

Not bloody likely, unless you:

1) Answer every question regarding the origin of the universe, human consciousness, morality, etc, and

2) burn out the part of the brain that holds wonder, imagination and need.
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Male 2,593
thank god!!!
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Male 881
The factors that are driving the current trend have never been seen before, so nobody can say that this will end with the extinction of religion. I do believe that humans will continue to become more secular. Unfortunately religion has shown itself to be very resilient.
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Male 551
@Heureux
Hey there, from which church`s sewers did you came out of?...

Anyway, it`s ironical, and almost to the point of laughable, that
you think "atheism" is a prejudice. Is it a "prejudice" to doubt
about the existence of something we can`t see?

I mean, religion says everything was created by an invisible,
single, evil-genocidal, homophobic, old man... That we can`t meet

Atheism says... We don`t know and (This is optional but fairly acceptable)
we can be almost sure that there isn`t a guy up there doing his business.
And we can think that because we have no proof; We don`t have proof for the
existence of Goblins either, that`s why nobody (Who doesn`t need medication)
believes in them... I think it`s the same, but we are just very used to the
much greater stupid idea (God)
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Male 335
Thank God.
Oh wait...
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Male 483
It really pains me when I see people post that atheism is the source of immorality. I grew up in a very Christian home (in the ever-so-religious south). I frequently would hear self-proclaimed Christians spew racial hate and strong opposition to homosexuals and all other religious beliefs. When certain people on here say that atheism promotes egotism, I laugh. The vast majority of die-hard Christians had a VERY strong superiority complex. They saw their view, and only their view, as the one and only true view to have (mostly because that`s what religion teaches, right friends?) I declared myself agnostic at the age of 16 after spending a year looking into what exactly it is I believe, and not what society continually fed me. I have never had any desire to return to religion, only the opposite. I have been attacked for my views continuously. I am not immoral, because I know what common human decency is. I need no god for that.
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Male 551
Repent Sinners! For the Apocalypse is coming and you
will burn in hell FOREVER... We good Christians will
laugh at you while eating bacon, seating on a cloud
and looking down at you!!!

... But God loves you =] And we Christians, good
persons obviously (Duh), wish you the best =D In Hell!!!
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Male 328
Religion`s just one of those things that only makes sense because you think that everybody else is doing it. I am not a religious person, so I have spent a large percentage of my life listening to the "facts" that many religions preach from an open perspective. And from what I`ve gathered, religion is absurdly imaginative. People say that they do not believe in zombies or magic, however once you factor religion into the equation, zombies and magic are somehow much more plausible. I am of course referring to the rising of Jesus, Jesus turning water into wine, God making the world in 7 days, etc.

It is not my intention to offend anyone by posting this, however I have a feeling that I will still be flamed for this post nonetheless. This is simply my impression regarding religion as a whole.
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Male 191
hehehe Dr Wiener...
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Male 139
Here`s your new slogan I-A-B: "Keeping the religion arguments going every day since (insert year the website was started here)"You people are a bunch of fools for taking the bait.
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Male 2,516
yeaaahhhh bitch, Canada FTW!
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Male 483
It`s about time!
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Male 12,138
There`s also a quite interesting desktop study HERE for a more comprehensive comparison of HDI and its correlation to religion adherence. The punchline is, there appears to be a strong correlation that countries ranked very highly in HDI (a comparative measure of poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, childbirth, and other factors for countries worldwide) tend to have the least religious societies. Again, not flaming nor opining, just pointing out a trend.

Actually, the above correlation reminds of a quote by Aldoux Huxley: "One is all for religion until one visits a really religious country. Then, one is all for drains, machinery and the minimum wage."
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Male 12,138
I`m not at all surprised that this is the case. Nottaking sides, just making an observation: As societies develop socially, economically, culturally and scientifically, religiosity tends to decrease. Take a country like Norway for example:

1) One of most secular countries in the world with only 20% of people being religious (only Estonia, Sweden and Denmark are more secular).
2) Highest Press Freedom Index in the world.
3) Lowest homicide rate in the world.
4) Foreign Policy Magazine ranks Norway last in its Failed States Index, judging Norway to be the world`s most well-functioning and stable country.
5) In 2010, Norway was rated the most democratic country and the fifth most peaceful country in the world.
6) First country in the world to enact an anti-discrimination law protecting homosexuals.
7) Most importantly, ranked #1 in the world in Human Development Index (essentially, standard of living) in 2001-2006 and 2009-2010.
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Male 910
@truedenter umm you were never part of the debate so why do you even care? all you`re doing is inserting your opinion like every other person here, except you`re doing it in a very condescending and arrogant manner
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Male 1,610
It kind of makes sense though, if any countries were to abandon religion, many would be Scandinavian, seeing as they held out against becoming Christian the longest.

If America was on that list I would have laughed and stopped reading.
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Male 616
don`t care
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Male 196
Yeah, Voltaire said a similar thing a couple of hundred years ago. The fact is that it may be disappearing in some countries, but it`s exploding in other countries. And the countries where it is growing are the ones where people have children and share their values with them, so who do you think is going to outlast who?
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Male 69
This argument is stupid, neither side is going to accomplish anything. Ive seen people on their death bed and religion really helped them through it. I don`t know, can`t really argue against that.
But seriously, some religious fanatics just need to shut up. I personally think that if it wasn`t for these guys religion would have the upper hand on the argument.
I swear to god, most of these "atheist" are just pissed off kids, who are just being pissy because they were forced to go to church on sunday mornings.
Lets end this debate and agree that your all drating retarded
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Male 1,610
Just ignore Heureux. His arguments will never be anything more than claims that a group is prejudice for reasons that are completely and utterly prejudiced.
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Male 65
@Heureux

"Atheism, like all prejudices, is about ego-gratification."

"...the fact is that the overwhelming majority of the most brilliant minds in human history, have been people of faith."

Pot, have you met Kettle? Kettle, this is Pot...
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Male 1,341
Heureux is so painfully ignorant... It is really hard reading his posts. I don`t know what he is talking about "Atheism teaches this blah blah blah Atheism is prejudice blah blah.." Last I checked, Atheism hasn`t taught me anything. It just happens to be what I am labeled as because I choose to not follow any religious teachings. And way to go with the prejudice argument.. Why is it that with religion, all other religions must be false? Or how many religions condemn homosexuality?
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Male 910
Religion was useful centuries ago to establish societies. But it has no place for humans in our day an age. we`ve taken most good moral judgments from religion and rejected the bad ones. such as we dont alow slavery, and woman have rights. but lately all religion has been doing is slowing down the advancement of mankind. if not for a religious president who believed in god (Bush) we would be 8 years further down in stem cell research. who knows what kind of miraculous things we could have done. Science is the new frontier in the evolution of man. we need to dump our bronze age superstitions and move forward into the scientific Age.
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Male 1,222
My thought is that religion was needed a long time ago, really needed, it did do good things and formed cultures. Nowadays, it is really just useless.
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Male 975
@Heureux
Atheism does not condemn murder. Most, possibly all, religions do.

Well luckily for us we have a legal system that condemns this kind of thing.
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Male 490
Meh, both sides have people who have a problem with "live and let live." Ill just say from personal experience that I do see atheists being more aggressive and have some sort of superiority complex. *Shrugs* Heck, its a reason a friend of mine stopped calling himself an atheist and started to call himself a Buddhist.
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Male 39,572

gee, if only it would happen in my lifetime.
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Female 570
@Plague555, it`s ok! i also accidentally kind of engaged in this nonsense. i think you won this flame war though. Woo.
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Male 553
I just realized I entered a religious flame war. I like reading the flame war not joining. Say what you want I need to get back to writing my essay >.< See ya =P
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Male 553
So you`re basically saying that if there is no reward in being good then there is no point in doing it? Because from the sounds of it, the only reason religious people are good is because they get awarded entry into heaven. Sure there are examples like you`ve stated where athiesm doesn`t work. But the examples of religion are much worst and numerous.
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Female 570
"People who make no attempt to capitalize words properly should avoid calling other people ignorant."

So just because I didn`t use a capital letter on the beginning of the sentence i shouldn`t call other people ignorant? God you`re a determined troll!
Oh and i never said i was an atheist, i only made an observation.
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Male 1,054
Atheism does not condemn murder. Most, possibly all, religions do.

Atheism does not condemn rape. It does not condemn lying, stealing, fraud or adultery. It does not condemn war, torture, or prejudice.

The only thing is does condemn, is systems of belief, based on people`s experiences, that do condemn murder, rape, stealing, lying, fraud, adultery, and many other injurious and destructive acts.
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Male 1,054
"Also Japan has the highest Athiest population and has the least crime."

Japan has a wealth of religions, from Shinto to Christianity.

But the USSR, which explicitly banned many religions, persecuted most, and essentially raped russian Orthdox Christianity into an organ of the atheist government, was not only one of the most oppressive regimes in human history - murdering more people than the Nazi`s, it was plagued by crime, graft, alcoholism and abuse on unprecedented levels.

Communist East Germany is another stunning example of what goes wrong when a society purges itself of religion and oppresses people of faith. East Germany Socialism, with its hatred of religion, built the Berlin wall, but people of faith tore it down.

In the U.S., all of our civil rights are the product of the efforts of people of faith, attempts to apply spiritual values. But the only thing atheism teaches is that everyone else in the world is wrong about their own
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Heureux
So how is that any different from a religious person? Seriously though, that really is not specific in anyway to atheists, it describes the extremes of both groups.
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Male 360
anyone debating the pros/cons of religion/atheism is a retard. keep the crap to yourselves and SHADDAP!!!
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Male 840
I don`t know. Religion may be in a decline but they do have some powerful tools. Religion is all about power to control the masses and they are not going to give up that power easily.
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Male 69
Sooooooooooooo.... What are we going to argue about now???
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Male 540
"affiliation" is the operative term in this article.

I don`t think it`s unreasonable to expect that a significant proportion of the people asked were largely apathetic about the topic.

To me it suggests more that "atheist" is becoming the new "easy" answer.
Such a short-term and significant increase in the number of people who have arrived at atheism via extensive(/any) theological consideration seems somewhat unlikely, since it would require a more fundamental change in humans generally.
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Male 553
I can`t link the hyperlink as a whole due to the limit :(
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Male 553
Also Japan has the highest Athiest population and has the least crime. Did you notice that looting was to a minimum after the tsunami incident? You don`t need religion to be a good person. Here is the pop. in case you need evidence http://books.google.com/books?id= (remove this too) tAeFipOVx4MC&lpg=PA56&pg= (remove this space) PA56#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Male 1,054
Atheims is the crack cocaine of the egotist. It is simply a way for about 1% of humanity, no matter how trivial their accomplishments or negligible their contributions to society, or how shallow their education, to declare that they are superior to everyone else who has every lived.

Like homophobes, most atheists online are almost completely ignorant about most of the subject they reject, and rarely even realize what it is they are rejecting. Like homophobes, and racists, they rely on cherry-picked bits and pieces shared amongst themselves, ignore the majority of all evidence to make infantile arguments, and when challenged, resort to anti-social behavior.

And when called out, like homophobes, they can`t be bothered to make a real effort, and resort to childish name-calling, obscenities and other unethical, amoral behaviors.
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Male 1,054
"You do realize that you don`t need to be religious or have a written code to be a good humble person right? I grew up being athiest and have always helped people."

Judging by your posts, you are an example that proves that atheism does not foster humility, morals or ethics.

There is no evidence on this board, and precious little on the internet in general, to indicate that atheism fosters any moral or ethical code other than "we are superior to everyone else, neener neener neener".

But here`s the important thing: Atheism does not teach humility, in fact, it teaches egotism.

Any humility you might possess, is the result of living among people of faith, from watching their examples and picking up the values that religions teach. You did not get it from atheism, if you actually have it at all, and frankly, given how much atheists on-line lie, I doubt all of your story.

Maybe you do charitable things, but so do billions o
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Male 1,054
Pooptart

The more you reply, the more you validate my opinion. You beg off, with more vulgarity, because you cannot hold your own in a discussion about this subject, and probably, in any subject.

Atheism, like all prejudices, is about ego-gratification. As the posts here demonstrate very well - atheism is simply a means by which some people assert, without evidence, that they are automatically superior to others.

Homophobes do this, of course, asserting that because they are heterosexual, they are automatically superior to GLBTQ people. They don`t need evidence, just like atheists don`t need evidence. Racists make the same case - they are just automatically superior.

Person after person here has simply declared that all people of faith are automatically ignorant, automatically inferior. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of the most brilliant minds in human history, have been people of faith.
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Male 553
You do realize that you don`t need to be religious or have a written code to be a good humble person right? I grew up being athiest and have always helped people. I donate blood every month and donate money to charities when I can. I even donate money I could use to go out and have fun but I give to people who need it. Intelligent people will understand that being humble and kind will lead to a fluid society.
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Male 1,341
@Pooptart

+1
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Male 2,440
[quote]too bad you don`t have a moral code that forbids telling lies, but honesty is something religion teaches. Atheism only teaches hatred and contempt.[/quote]
Wrong, wrong, aaaaaaaaaand wrong again, Heureux. I could very well argue with you all damn day here on InternetLand, but alas, it`d be a giant waste of time to debate crazy a-holes such as yourself.
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Male 1,054
"i agree. although i wouldn`t say dumber, but "ignorant" instead. "

People who make no attempt to capitalize words properly should avoid calling other people ignorant.

It is clear from the posts of the atheists here that most could not hold their own in a debate or discussion with most people of faith.
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Female 877
wow, i always thought that people would become dumber and dumber

but this shows the opposite, hmm, interesting...
there might actually be hope for humanity
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Male 2,796
Perhaps we are get smarter afterall
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Male 761
Good riddance
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Female 3,598
i`m moving to one of these nine countries... until the US can stop being religitarded.
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Male 1,054
Pooptart19

too bad you don`t have a moral code that forbids telling lies, but honesty is something religion teaches. Atheism only teaches hatred and contempt.

If my posts had been unintelligent, you`d have been able to refute them without being obscene and derogatory, but, the fact that you had to rely on insult and vulgarity indicates that you could not formulate an accurate, and ethical rebuttal.

What a shame, atheism has let you down again.
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Female 4,359
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
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Female 570
@ggolbez, i agree. although i wouldn`t say dumber, but "ignorant" instead.
I think the more science figures out the truth and explains what religion pretends to, religion will HAVE to decline.
That is until aliens show up of course.
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Male 490
Didnt they predict religion would have been gone by the year 2000 not too long ago..?
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Female 2,027
finally!
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Male 20
Allow me to say: THANK GOD.
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Male 3,431
Individually I suppose a person can get along without a belief in some cosmic justice system, but as a society, it has been demonstrated that when people no longer feel beholden nor accountable to some greater purpose, they will behave very, very badly.

Whether it is mythological or not, a Deity offers some hope for justice and some fear of retribution for the misdeeds of people. I believe with a near certainty, that if not for religion, society would not exist today and there are many parts of the world where all that people have to hold onto is faith.

I will not force my belief or disbelief upon a mother that must watch her child starve while a nation full of atheists gorges themselves with contented apathy. If all the impoverished have is hope and faith, what good can you accomplish by trying to strip them of that?
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Male 2,440
Forgive Heureux, everyone. He`d type more intelligent comments on IAB, but he`s too busy masturbating to Ray Comfort & Kirk Cameron`s "Way of the Master."
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Male 1,054
"I can only hope it happens within mine or my kids lifetime. It would be for the better."

Yeah, systemic atheism worked so well in the USSR, communist China, and other officially atheist, anti-religion countries. The Stasi were the good guys, don`t you know, who liberated an entire population, through force, torture, and the eradication of civil rights.

Atheists have been proclaiming that religion was dying for centuries, but while Nietzsche lies decomposing, religion continues.

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Male 1,054
"It`s because people are getting smarter with the availability of more information. The dumber a civilization, there more religion there is."

That`s a very dumb thing to say.

In reality, religion has consistently correlated with high levels of education and culture.

But carry on - atheism is simply an ugly prejudice, like homophobia and racism, and like homophobes and racists, atheists need to tell their lies in order to feel good about themselves.
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Male 5,624
Good-f*cking-riddance.

A friend and I argued this a few times:
I feel that the differences about which there is militant conflict will decrease as a result.
He feels that people will always have something to disagree on.
I`d rather see two nerds having a slap-boxing
fight over integration methods.


*Just then: An inquisition began as anyone not
capable of calculus was deemed non-sentient however,
that movement was quickly snuffed out by
worshipers of the Sqrt(-1) cult...*
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Male 1,341
I can only hope it happens within mine or my kids lifetime. It would be for the better.
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Male 17,512
People will always seek to find answers, Answers that science will never be able to explain.

People want hope and meaning in their life, That is why religion will never go extinct.
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Male 553
I also failed to mention that there were 9 members in the band.
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Male 553
@Plague555
"The nine-pointed star symbolizes the nine fruits of the Spirit listed in the Epistle to the Galatians."
"A simple nine-pointed star is generally used by Bahá`ís as a symbol of their Faith."
I think it`s `about time` you stopped using religious imagery. Even your name hints at Judeo-Christian mythology.
You sir are an idiot.

You do realize that symbol is from a band. Hell I`ll take it off I don`t care. But to me, this symbol resembles the band NOT religion.
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Male 24
@Plague555
"The nine-pointed star symbolizes the nine fruits of the Spirit listed in the Epistle to the Galatians."
"A simple nine-pointed star is generally used by Bahá`ís as a symbol of their Faith."
I think it`s `about time` you stopped using religious imagery. Even your name hints at Judeo-Christian mythology.
You sir are an idiot.
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Male 1,931
It`s because people are getting smarter with the availability of more information. The dumber a civilization, there more religion there is.
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Male 4,807
Religion has be extinct at IAB for a while now but the flamers keep on burning.
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Male 10,440
Not soon enough!

*herm* yes.

Given the very open and tolerant society of the countries listed, I think it will be more of a geometric decay then a line hitting zero. Pockets of it will continue to exist for a long time to come.
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Male 535
you don`t need math to know that religion is dying out!
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Male 2,422
And affiliation is not necessarily the same thing as belief. There are plenty of non-affiliated Christians out there who would consider themselves to be "spiritual" but not "religious".
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Male 795
Don`t be sad. It`s just that human knowledge has, if I can say, evolved, far beyond the fictional and oppressive realm of religion. If there is a God, then "he" is the Universe. Or perhaps, the Omniverse??
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Male 169
I`d like to think this was due to an overall increase in intelligence. Unfortunately, belief in crystal healing, aura manipulation and the like is exponentially on the increase.

"When people stop believing in God, they don`t believe in nothing - they believe in anything." -
-- GK Chesterton
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Male 182
itll happen everywhere soon enough
we`ve evolved as a species beyond being afraid of the dark and believing in mystical boogymen who control our every thought
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Female 382
cool
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Male 2,422
Traditional religions maybe. But human beings have an infinite capacity for credulity and superstition. Just look at the cults of the modern era.
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Male 1,629
here`s hoping this happens in america to
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Female 383
Finally! no more idiocy!
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Male 553
About time.
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Male 91
Apparently, the `n` is already extinct...
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Male 15
Link: Religion To Become Extinct [Rate Link] - Research has shown that religion is on the decline and may become extinct in certain nations
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