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Date: 04/19/11 07:30 AM

35 Responses to Programmer Admits Under Oath Elections Are Rigged

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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 6:09 am
    Link: Programmer Admits Under Oath Elections Are Rigged - Computer programmer cites the ease at which elections can be and have been rigged.
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    Hoofer Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 7:58 am
    That was quite interesting and informative.
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    BetterBob Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:05 am
    And this surprises who?
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:19 am
    A little scary. I`m a little out of the programmer loop, but is sounds plausible to me.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:22 am

    This is one of the reasons I say I love America, but can`t stand Americans.

    This is old. From a 2005 investigation of the 2004 presidential votes in Ohio. And after telling the world that the election was rigged...no body cared. No mass outrage, no recount of actual ballots, no action against election officials. Americans were just too lazy to care.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:24 am
    Not a surprise. Look at the shenanigans with the U.S. Presidential elections in 2000 & 2004.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:24 am
    This is why I`m glad I live in a state with paper ballots.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:25 am
    We`ve never had electronic voting here in BC, although it has been touted as faster, more accurate, and even "greener." But I have always wondered about exactly what we`re seeing here. Paper ballots can always be recounted, and if "box 46" is missing, alarms immediately go off. With computers, it takes a forensic expert to find out what might have happened, IF there is enough reason for suspicion in the first place. And who would suspect anything in a close race?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:29 am
    You dont have to be a computer programmer to suspect that
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    gojamesgo Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:33 am
    is this going on presently?
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:35 am
    @Gerry1of1- maybe the public would have been up and arms about it if they`d actually have known, but the fact is most people never heard about this because the corporate media didn`t touch it. This should have been the lead story in every paper and on every news network- I can think of little else that might have been happening at the time that would have had more importance to the majority of Americans. But the story was ignored. A population won`t make intelligent political decisions when they`re being fed a load of BS by the news organizations that are charged with keeping them informed. Of course people treat me like a conspiracy theorist whenever I say a bad word against the corporate media- but if you can`t see the way in which they manipulate public opinion, you`re blind.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:39 am
    I always found it odd that the makers of these machines lobbied hard against a paper trail. What`s to hide Diebold?
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    Seak Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 8:44 am
    I`m not surprised.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:07 am
    Did I hear someone hiss? seriously.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:24 am
    I always wondered how the 2008 election was decided?
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    bobaah_mc Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:31 am
    Did anyone hear that? He worked in Florida? Funny that...
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:37 am
    He did NOT say that elections had been rigged. He said he wrote a program that COULD rig an election. He did not say that it was used. The title of this thread makes a serious accusation, but it is not backed up by the video.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:39 am

    @sbeelz - the media did report it. I watched it on CNN. I`m sure MSNBC would cover it `cause they are so anti-GOP and pro Democrat party.

    But I think Brad Pitt was breaking up with Jenifer Aniston at that time so naturally, that`s a much more important story and Americans were distracted.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:40 am

    @NottaSpy - follow up on the story. Google it. The program was used. People reported voting for John Kerry and having the computer log BUSH right in front of them on the screen.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:42 am
    I`m surprised it has reached a court. That US elections are rigged, is no surprise to anyone. Bush` second term was a Supreme Court decision, more than a "US election" as i recall it. This alone should ring a huge alarm bell regarding actually how important the idea of democracy really is.

    Computer votes, punching cards and broken ballots. You`ve got to be kidding me. I recall the Simpsons parody about Homer trying to vote. I think it hit the nail.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 9:44 am
    @outwest: Nice! Bringin` the HEAT!

    I agree, we probably have been victim to a program like this since 2004.
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    seetherage Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 10:35 am
    OH SHIZZLE! I live in tallahassee
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 10:39 am
    NottaSpy, it was used, and even if it hadn`t been, shouldn`t the fact that it was written at all raise some alarm?
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 11:03 am
    "Bush` second term was a Supreme Court decision, more than a "US election" as i recall it."

    You mean, Bush Jr.`s first term.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 11:35 am
    @<2000 general election rigged crowd>

    Gore lost one too many small states. Are you going to claim those elections were rigged as well?

    I want to see some hard evidence. I want to see source code.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 11:45 am
    Gore was jobbed at the 2000 election. He should have won it.

    /out before sheetstorm.
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    rynEnigma Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 11:57 am
    @NottaSpy If they wrote the code to change the vote, it would/should not change the GUI interface. He talked about two ways. 1: The central tabulator that all machines talk to simply says oh the guy we wanted to win lost by 4%, change it 51% for our guy. 2nd way was to put it on every machine that would make sure after every vote was cast, your guy was up by 1%. No programmer in their right mind would change a simple
    "if(gBushJr < 51%)
    gBushJr = 51%;
    jKerry = 49%" <---(pseudo code)
    to also reflect that on the screen. (granted it would take very little to change the on screen visuals) but why add that chance of people seeing something, and why write more code than needed?
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    April 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Anyone remember the video where some people trained monkeys to hack into the voting machines and edit the record? Doesn`t mean the monkey`s rigged the election....
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    You misunderstood what I was saying. I know there are accusations of election tampering in 2004. I know how computers work. My problem is with the title of this thread.
    Programmer Admits Under Oath Elections Are Rigged
    Programmer Admits Under Oath Elections Are Rigged. Computer programmer cites the ease at which elections can be and have been rigged.
    The title states that this programmer testified that the election WAS rigged. Nowhere in this video does he say that. He said he wrote a program that ->COULD<- rig an election. He did not say it was used. He said the whole system was vulnerable to tampering, but he ->DID NOT<- say that it had been. Before I accuse Bush of stealing 2004, I want to see proof. This video didn`t tell me anything new and is certainly not proof that it happened. Also, people claiming that they voted for Kerry and saw the machine register Bush is also not proof.
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    tiedyed Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    It would be a simple matter to insert the necessary code, have it automatically self destruct the day after the election. Leave no evidence at all. The only way to find out for sure would be to actually count all the little paper receipts manually. That`ll never happen.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    April 19, 2011 at 2:37 pm
    @NottaSpy is so right.

    I-A-B misleading post is misleading. Why you such a liar I-A-B?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    yay. I assumed something from IAB
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    Not THAT misleading of a title. You needed to watch through the entire video.

    "she said: `you don`t understand, we need to hide the fraud in the source code. Not reveal the fraud, because we need to control the vote in south Florida.` is what she said."
    "That`s what she said?"
    "That`s what she said."
    "To your knowledge, was this used?"
    "I...have no idea. I was ready to leave, so.."
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    venice08 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 12:54 am
    Computer programs can be used in computer voting machines to rig computer voting???? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Water is wet and the sun comes up????????? HOLY CRPZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I feel so much smarter now
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    April 21, 2011 at 11:26 am
    >>>NottaSpy, it was used, and even if it hadn`t been, shouldn`t the fact that it was written at all raise some alarm?<<<


    How do you know it was used? Recall that in Florida THERE WERE PAPER BALLOTS AND THEY WERE COUNTED OVER AND OVER. EACH TIME BUSH WON. Get over it.

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