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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
    8033 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    Link: President Obama`s Birth Certificate PDF `Layered` - The PDF file from WhiteHouse.gov opened in Adobe Illustrator shows up layered. Not sure what it means, but here it is.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    Here we go again
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    Milo_Pretzel Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    hmmm..
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    Figured something like this would happen. He shouldn`t of bothered indulging them in the first place.
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    Oh and, kitteh9lives: PDF is a file that lets you save in orginal quality in layers, used by people in photoshop for easyer editing. It means they say it is fake.
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    bentley22 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    that is a wee suspicious, in that the hotly disputed fields are in different layers. Somebody f`d up
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    and here they come...
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    kingdomCome Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    I think it does look a bit odd, but looking at it in illustrator, the layer with most of the important info on it looks like a genuine b&w low res scan.
    Seems to me it is a legit copy of a form that someone in the whitehouse has superimposed on a colour background to make it look more genuine....which has horribly backfired.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    The first time I saw said document, I saw no such green background. Any tard can figure out that someone just took the document and did a hack douche job of adding the background. Sheesh.

    Ugh. Enough of this crap. I don`t give a sh*t.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    What I want to know is: is this the EXACT SAME CoLB that was `leaked` before? Or is it different?
    If it`s the same one, then why didn`t Obama just say: that`s the one.
    If it`s different: why did the MSM say "see? PROOF" (since it would be fake if this one is real, eh?)

    Also: Obama said while on campaign that he "had in a vault in Hawaii" BUT he now says he had to apply to get it.

    How many "official stories" are there?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    Factiod: They didn`t say "African" and "Caucasian" in 1961: they said White & Negro (or Black)...
  12. Profile photo of EntrE
    EntrE Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    i can`t frickin believe that americans argue about a birth certificate!
  13. Profile photo of axeman929
    axeman929 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    Again its not a birth certificate but I certificate of live birth. He could have been born anywhere and flown anywhere to get one.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Imma gonna quote one of your old presidents for this one, something that your new presidents seems to have forgotten:

    Never argue with a fool, bystanders might not be able to tell the difference.
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    axeman929 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    We always like to argue about things that I dont know ....have some constitutional relevance. It is only Obama who so could have cleared this up so easily but did not.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    As I said in the first birther post, americans are not going to let facts get in the way

  17. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    Off on a bit of a tangent:

    Why is it a requirement to be born in the USA rather than to be a citizen of the USA? Yes, I know it`s in your constitution, but why? It`s not a religious document, so there needs to be a reason.
  18. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    I`ve been looking at this story a little more and found a comment that makes a lot of sense to me:

    What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used.

    It`s been years, right? Nobody with even half a vague idea of how to use image manipulation software would make such a ludicrous mistake if they were making a highly controversial forgery that would be bound to be scrutinised a great deal. It`s a silly idea.
  19. Profile photo of mcfudge
    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    Limbaugh for the past year: Let us see it!
    Trump: Show you mine if you show me yours!
    Obama: here ya go!
    Limbaugh: I never said I wanted to see it, that was Trump!
    Internet: LAYERS! LAYERS EVERYWHERE!

    Jesus christ people, get a life. This is a birth certificate, it looks like my birth certificate, it looks like anyone`s birth certificate. You stupid, stupid people... please remove yourselves from the gene pool. A certificate of live birth IS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE...

    God damn you people are retarded.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    So is this really all they have to criticize Obama about? Seems like he`s doing pretty well, then.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    I love how many people here are determined to string Obama up.

    This is what happens to documents when they are scanned for use digitally. The layers function as a way for these digital scans to be searched for on a PC. It`s a much simpler way of indexing items that would otherwise require massive amounts of data-input work to be carried out. Sorry to dissapoint you guys who want Obama out so bad, it must be hard being wrong so much! First 9/11, now this, shucks.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    @Angilion: Because back in the day they were afraid of foreigners with insufficient allegiance to the United States assuming executive functions and selling out to the British and the belief that a native-born individual would have an inherent love for his homeland than a naturalized citizen. But, the practical power of the Presidency was largely subordinate to the Senate for the early part of U.S. History. They would turn over in their graves if they saw how much power the office has managed to accrue to itself in the last hundred years. It`s a bit of relic but it`s unlikely to be changed anytime soon. Nativism has been an important political tool for various parts of U.S. history including today`s climate.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    Also: Obama said while on campaign that he "had in a vault in Hawaii" BUT he now says he had to apply to get it.

    The old certificates are stored in a storage facility that you could call a vault. You have to apply to get yours...and you`ll get a copy of it.

    Did the white house even get a paper copy? For all we know, it was scanned at the records office in Hawaii. They might have scanned it with OCR (which might create the image as multiple layers) and then added the green background (which would definitely add another layer) to change the black and white scan to the appropriate colour.

    Who knows? Who cares? Hardly anyone will change their mind regardless.
  24. Profile photo of MildCorma
    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    I love how many people here are determined to string Obama up.

    This is what happens to documents when they are scanned for use digitally. The layers function as a way for these digital scans to be searched for on a PC. It`s a much simpler way of indexing items that would otherwise require massive amounts of data-input work to be carried out. Sorry to dissapoint you guys who want Obama out so bad, it must be hard being wrong so much! First 9/11, now this, shucks.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    Thanks for the answer, xiquiripat.
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    rosettastond Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    who gives a sh*t, this is not the bad thing about Obama, the bad thing is the whole, him being a pawn for the NWO
  27. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    I wonder what would happen if someone the same age as Obama requested a scanned copy of their own birth certificate from Hawaii. My guess is that it would arrive layered the same way because it`s a function of how they do the scanning.

    Mildcorma`s point is a good one, tied in with the OCR that I mentioned - they`re not just creating a digital copy of the *image* of the certificate, they`re creating *usable data* from it. Easiest way to do that is with OCR to convert the image of the text on the scan of the original paper document to data that can be searched as text on a computer. That would result in a copy of the certificate having multiple layers because it`s recreated from the data and stock forms.
  28. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:13 pm
    "A certificate of live birth IS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE..."

    ^this. you get a certificate of live birth if you have you have lost your original birth certificate and you order a new one...i just got mine in the mail about a month ago and it cost me $20 :|
  29. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    A quick look has shown that I was slightly wrong. The usual way is to use a scan of the original form with the data blanked out as one layer, not a stock form as I thought.

    Anyone who cares can have a quick look online - there are a variety of tools and tutorials for doing exactly that in conjunction with PDF files. Multiple layer scans of documents, especially forms, are the norm.

    Option 1: Scan tens of thousands of birth certificates as single-layer images. You now have tens of thousands of pictures that can`t be searched in any way. Someone wants a copy of a birth certificate with a particular name on it? Hard luck. You can`t search tens of thousands of pictures for text because there isn`t any text from the computer`s point of view. It`s just pictures.

    Option 2: Multi-layer scan with OCR. You now have a neat, organised *and machine-searchable* database of all certificates and the information on them.

    So they use option 2.
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    radoinc Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    @collegebound
    Yeah, sure. Go back to people`s republic of musulmania, you muslim communist devil! lol
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm
    who gives a sh*t, this is not the bad thing about Obama, the bad thing is the whole, him being a pawn for the NWO
    Yup. He`s a humanoid reptilian just like Donald Rumsfeld.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    I don`t get why you fools are still squabbling over this. I explained on the other post why it was pointless.

    Angillion, you must be pretty bored at the moment.

    As for me, I`m off to play some Portal2.
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    Monique_D Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    Can someone please tell me how you`re putting italics in your posts? Very useful when quoting someone in a reply.
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    tiedyed Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    This again? At this point I don`t care if the guy was born on Neptune. He`s there, illegal or not, and his term will end before it`s sorted out. I don`t think he`s going win reelection. Besides...it`s offical... Ron Paul 2012!
  35. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    Can someone please tell me how you`re putting italics in your posts? Very useful when quoting someone in a reply.

    It`s how IAB implements quoting. You enclose the text to appear in italics in quote tags, i.e. Text here

    Remove the spaces I put in so it wouldn`t be parsed as tags and you get Text here

    It would be more sensible to call the tag `italic` rather than `quote` because that`s what it actually does, but that`s probably the least of the things wrong with IAB`s comments system.
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    El_Chinche Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    @tiedyed
    Ron Paul is the new Ralph Nader
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    I don`t get why you fools are still squabbling over this. I explained on the other post why it was pointless.

    Angillion, you must be pretty bored at the moment.

    As for me, I`m off to play some Portal2.

    Good point. I bought Spellforce Universe from an older games discount bargain place a few days ago. I think I`ll play that instead.
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    AAARE YOOUUU FUUUCKIIING KIIIDDIIING MEEEE.

    still? He drating dropped what he was doing, held a surprise drating conference, got his attorney to fly out from drating Hawaii to satisfy you douchebags who are too goddamn ignorant to find one of the many places that can tell you with 100% drating accuracy that he was born here, in America. We don`t really let anyone just BECOME president by just taking their drating word for it that they were born here. There are more pressing matters at hand here, so stop shielding your eyes from the drating proof that he himself is showing to everyone.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    GasMaskKid - Yeah, but he`s black. Or rather not white - so most `americans` cant really accept that.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    Hmm...I just looked at my wifes original BC and they have footprints on them. She was born the same year a month earlier and at the same hospital as Obama. Where is his footprints? Oh my a faked document. Nice try liars.

    Doesn`t matter anyway. By the time Congress or anyone gets around to impeachment trials. The next elections will occur and he will be out. Besides if he was impeached that would nean.....sigh....Biden would become President. He is a major troll and will try to tax twice as much and spend more than Obama. Hell the type of d*ck he is. He fell asleep at Obamas speech 2 weeks ago on the debt problem.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    Better Video
    It`s quite similar, but has the added bonus of Obama talking.
    "Dominated the news"? He thinks highly of himself! It was 4% of news coverage and most of it was at MSNBC! (NOT Fox) I submitted an analysis of this glaring mistake as a post, since the MSM will never mention it!

    VV "We don`t really let anyone just BECOME President by just taking their drating word for it that they were born here"

    Wrong @GasMaskKid, this is EXACTLY what happened.
  42. Profile photo of handys003
    handys003 Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    @Matwix_2004 replied:

    GasMaskKid - Yeah, but he`s black. Or rather not white - so most `Americans` cant really accept that.

    That`s because he embraces the African culture and never show any love for his White heritage.
    My daughters are hapa (mixed). They embrace Japanese and Anglo Saxon heritage. They are seen as weird by some of the Asian culture here.
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    daverazor Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    This video is obviously a fake. It would take me 20 minutes to break his BC apart and toss them on layers. This video is obviously a joke as well. Just to get all these folks undies in a bundle.

    And Ron Paul 2012? Haahhahahahah. He has as much of a chance as Nader.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    @GasMaskKid
    AAARE YOOUUU FUUUCKIIING KIIIDDIIING MEEEE.

    still? He drating dropped what he was doing, held a surprise drating conference, got his attorney to fly out from drating Hawaii to satisfy you douchebags who are too goddamn ignorant to find one of the many places that can tell you with 100% drating accuracy that he was born here, in America. We don`t really let anyone just BECOME president by just taking their drating word for it that they were born here. There are more pressing matters at hand here, so stop shielding your eyes from the drating proof that he himself is showing to everyone.

    That`s because you are the retard who cannto accept facts
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBGLitkIJx4
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    AP proved this to be hoax this afternoon. Sorry Men from La Mancha, the windmill has fallen.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    It`s clearly a fake. Because Obama wasn`t born on Earth. He was created in a lab on another planet, led by Hitler and Elvis. This is their first step in their plan to takeover our planet for colonization.
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    sofaking42 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 7:46 pm
    STFU with the dumb poo already...
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    MrHyde Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    As a Youtube commenter with some intelligence (I know, right?) said:

    "About the "Photoshopped thing".

    Which seems more likely to you:
    Barack Obama pays an expert to fake the birth certificate in every way so that it is impractical to say is a fake, and it comes out layered ready to be de-photoshopped?
    Random person makes a new PDF which is layered?

    Look at the order the layers are in. They are in deletion order, not creation order. The bad photoshopper is the one who wrote this document."

    Confirmed. The PDF is legit.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    Also the moon landing was faked and the Earth is flat and at the center of the Universe.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:09 pm
    wow...you mean someone could take the birth cert and make a NEW PDF and layer it because THEY CANNOT EXCEPT that a BLACK PERSON IS THE LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT...

    SHAME ON IAB for even running this BS...lost a HUGE amount of respect for IAB after seeing them play into this whole BS...time to head to break.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:11 pm
    hey 5Cats, how about you and the rest of the right wong racist drat off now that he proved where he was born...oh and since the censor on IAB will make the F word show up as drat you could just go ahead and assume I told you to F off.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    the REAL question is Was Donald Trump born in USA?

    oh yeah! Prove it!
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    doode999 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    Haha,no direspect @jamie76, but how can you respect something like i-a-b? No, but it wouldn`t really matter if it was a fake. Who cares where he was born? he grew up here, and he obviously cares.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    whether it be real or not, the government can do whatever they want and you have to beleive it. and if you dont, then you will be labeled as a terrorist. They only released this to shut up all the sheep, and no one will beleive all the "crackpots" that say it`s fake. This whole debate is pointless.
    He could be from freaking mars, you`re stuck with him now.
  55. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:40 pm
    @Gerry1of1- You know, I heard that Trump was actually born in Latvia.
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    Golden1 Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 9:59 pm
    Who gives a poo? He is doing a job that sucks ass. Anyone who says anyone else would be doing better is an idiot. I can`t believe all the crying that is going on about where he was born. If McCain won, everyone would be saying what a poo job he is doing right now because the Democrats think the Republicans ruin everything and vice versa. And anyone who would actually vote for Trump has no business being allowed out around the rest of society.
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    BRKNVLTR Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:02 pm
    I`m Black and I don`t believe it.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    I heard that Trump was actually born in Latvia.

    Or at the very least he had his hair imported from there. Spare parts!
  59. Profile photo of zephid
    zephid Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    § 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.

    "By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him;

    Obama`s father was a Kenyan. The child follows the condition of their father`s - Obama is a citizen of Kenya by virtue of his father being Kenyan. constitution.org
    The words natural-born citizen used in Article 2 Section 1 of the the Constitution were purposefully used.
    I await the refutation of these facts, but fully expect attacks on my race,creed,religion,sexual orientation,preference in breed of canine, and motives.
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    zephid Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    My early and earnest apologies to anyone who has a difficulty when comprehending constitutional law and the reasons the authors of the Constitution of the US used very specific wording when compiling said document. The point of fact is as follows:

    § 212. Citizens and natives.

    "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

    Parents, not parent. Both parents must be citizens in order to convey natural born status.

    "I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

    A person who is born of a father who is a foreigner that person is a native of the father`s country.
    (continued)
  61. Profile photo of number43
    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    A) They`re using Illustrator not Photoshop
    B) WTF is "deletion order not creation order"? I`ve been doing graphic design for 5+ years working in photoshop, indesign and illustrator and have never heard of "deletion order"
    C)Jamie, why don`t you download it and check it out before you run your mouth? whitehouse.gov for the .pdf and adobe.com for a free trial of illustrator.

    I don`t think it`s faked. but it is weird that the file is layered like that. Sometimes programs will output .pdf`s in a weird way to try and minimize file size.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    To those who don`t understand why this is important for both sides of the argument, it`s simply that in order to run for Presidency an individual has to be a natural citizen born in the US. If Obama didn`t release it, then there is a good chance that trying to run in 2012 would be legally challenged based on the fact that he has not proven natural citizenship. On the other hand, if it could be proven he was not born in the US, then he could be prevented from running.
  63. Profile photo of Student_Law
    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    People who care about this, deserve to be without jobs and homes.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 11:06 pm
    its more factual to believe that this guy faked most of this video by a few clicks on illustrator, plus he doesn`t really know how pdfs/illustrator works
  65. Profile photo of vorpalsword
    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    and photoshop too
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    April 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm
    Holy crap, I can`t believe you people are calling this a fake video. Download the .pdf from whitehouse.gov and download a free trial of illustrator from adobe.com. The file really is layered like that.

    Again. I think it`s probably because of the program they used to export it tried to compress the file some how. But the video is legit and it takes 5 minutes to verify.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 12:14 am
    Figures, the birthers will refuse to believe it no matter WHAT evidence you show them.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 12:44 am
    So he was born in the US, grew up in the US, lives and works in the US, pays taxes in the US, and cares enough about the US to go through the bother of running for President of the US and thus becoming hated worldwide. Yet apparently people still think he`s not a citizen.

    But apparently people who sit on internet forums all day bitchig and moaning over absolutely nothing for no other reason than their preferred candidate was less popular apparently are valued citizens.
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    tis Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 2:08 am
    Stuuupid.
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    lisalezah Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 2:27 am
    I`m sorry, but why would the president of America`s birth certificate be circling the internet?
  71. Profile photo of OutWest
    OutWest Male 50-59
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    April 28, 2011 at 2:46 am
    Why do our friends from countries other than the USA care so much about our President?

    We elected him, and we will decide if we vote for him again? Is he that popular outside the States? If so, why?
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    new_in_town Female 30-39
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    April 28, 2011 at 3:24 am
    ugh..enough already

    PDF in Illustrator
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    zephid Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2011 at 4:37 am
    § 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.

    "By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him;

    Obama`s father was a Kenyan. The child follows the condition of their father`s - Obama is a citizen of Kenya by virtue of his father being Kenyan. constitution.org
    The words natural-born citizen used in Article 2 Section 1 of the the Constitution were purposefully used.
    I await the refutation of these facts, but fully expect attacks on my race,creed,religion,sexual orientation,preference in breed of canine, and motives.
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    bobaah_mc Male 18-29
    105 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 5:02 am
    OMFGZ!!11 I`ts totly a fotoshp.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 5:20 am
    " `There is a real deep-seated and vicious racism at work here in terms of trying to de-legitimate the president,` Peniel Joseph, a professor of history at Tufts University, told The Ticket.
    `This is more than just a conspiracy,` Peniel added. `I think this is fundamentally connected to white supremacism in this country.`

    Miami Herald columnist Leonard Pitts Jr. in early April called for the connection to be publicly drawn between birthers and racism: `So it is time to call this birther nonsense what it is--not just claptrap, but profoundly racist claptrap.` "

    when the white people point out that its just racism you KNOW its time to just stop...

    Zephid: if thats the case then we have a hell of alot of people (all of them...except native americans ofc...) to throw out of united states...
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2764 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 5:37 am
    Ignorant people. Get OVER IT!!! Focus on reasons worthy of not liking him... focus on something(s) he`s doing AS A PRESIDENT that you don`t like.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2011 at 5:47 am
    @zephid: I`m sorry you spent all that time researching what constitutes a natural-born citizen. It doesn`t matter that his Father was Kenyan, because Obama was born in the United States.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 28, 2011 at 5:52 am
    People who VOTED FOR OBAMA, deserve to be without jobs and homes.
    fify @Student_Law!
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    Toider Male 18-29
    452 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 6:53 am
    @Outwest - I noticed that too. My only guess is that after the Bush administrations they see Obama as a sort of reining in of overreaching American values. Personally, I think they just like to see us struggling in general.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:05 am

    People who VOTED FOR OBAMA, deserve to be without jobs and homes.

    by that logic, people who voted for Bush deserve to pointlessly die in the desert.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:15 am

    just to fan the flames... what about the video where BO says "I was not born in hawaii I was born in Kenya" ?
    BO Speach to Law Students

    Your thoughts .... ? ? ? ?
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:42 am
    It must be a real birth certificate. I saw a picture of it on the television. We all know everything on television is true.
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    Ujelly Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:46 am
    I`m sorry, Gerry1of1, but This article says that video is a fake.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:47 am
    The dude had over two years to produce a quality, convincing, forged birth certificate, so releasing it at this point was useless. Having said that, I don`t think it really matters. He could have ended it back when Hillary brought it up during the campaign, but instead he decided to drag it out this far, and now he`s blaming everyone else. Go figure.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:47 am
    "People who VOTED FOR OBAMA, deserve to be without jobs and homes.


    by that logic, people who voted for Bush deserve to pointlessly die in the desert."

    Seems pretty legit to me.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:50 am
    hey Gerry , i love how the video randomly cuts to a super wide angle whenever Obama mentions something about his birth...yeah even a patriots fan can tell that video is fake.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:52 am
    Incredibly, it`s exactly what you get when you scan with automatic OCR. Fcking birthers kiss my ass.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2011 at 7:59 am
    @Gerry: If you listen closely, you can hear bad editing. The volume and sound quality of his voice change at key points, such as between "it`s true I`m not" and "an American." The video never shows his lips where he makes his key admissions, so you can`t see if his lips are in sync with what he`s saying. And his audience offers no reaction to what should be a stunning admission.
    This was a video put out by a political satire site.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 28, 2011 at 8:40 am

    @jtrebowski: don`t mess up a good conspiracy with facts.
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    Jackson13W Male 30-39
    155 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 9:12 am
    this is still going... really? like really really? this entire issue was idiotic from the get go. i`m not even a political type; i do not have a party affiliation, but this entire birth certificate thing is, has been, and will continue to be idiotic.
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    ErgonomicBot Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 9:14 am
    Who cares if he was born in the US or not?
    The big reason why so much hasn`t changed yet (at least that`s what a lot of people think...) is because everybody`s going in againt him. Not becuase he`s possibly born oustide of the US, not because he`s a "bad president", not because he`s a "stoopid muslem" (what the hell by the way), but because of you.

    FML if that Donald Trump idiot wins the 2012 elections.
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    TeamVenture Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2011 at 9:23 am
    OH MY GOD WHO CARES? Get over it and find a new retarded issue to get upset about.
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    Sakamura Male 30-39
    237 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 9:32 am
    LOL damned if you do, damned if you don`t ... Put the PDF with accessibility in there, and people will say it`s layered. Put the PDF without accessibility in there, and people will say the document is not available to blind people and needs to be OCR`ed ... That`s freaking random...
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 9:41 am
    @Gerry

    The internet is loaded with badly edited videos of Obama saying `I am a Muslim`, `I am not an American`, `I was born in Kenya` and even more wild concoctions. Why not put together a compilation of the best bits rather than waste our time with a random POS?
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 9:45 am
    He drating dropped what he was doing, held a surprise drating conference, got his attorney to fly out from drating Hawaii... There are more pressing matters at hand here.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 10:45 am
    by that logic, people who voted for Bush deserve to pointlessly die in the desert.

    Oh obviously @Gerry1of1 & TKD_Master! Because it`s a fact: GWB plotted the 9/11 attacks himself!! Unlike BHO, who`s 1.4 trillion $$ deficit has nothing whatsoever to do with the economy... $1,400,000,000,000.00 fyi.
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    Plangkye Female 18-29
    258 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Zephid: What about children of foreigners who are naturalized citizens? If all people of foreign descent are, in fact, not natural US citizens, then anyone with any family who immigrated here after the Revolutionary War isn`t a US citizen. Which begs the question - am I, a mixed-breed white chick with post-Colonial-immigrant ancestors, a citizen of Holland, Germany, or the UK?
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    16comets09 Male 18-29
    91 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 11:06 am
    i dont know why everyone is pushing to prove he is not American. by the time they do, his term will almost be up...and then Biden will take over for that short amount of time if it is discovered....
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    zephid Male 30-39
    92 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 11:38 am
    @collegebound- no one (other than you) said anything about throwing anyone anywhere, this is about being constitutionally eligible for the office of the presidency.
    Some people throw the word B!rther like others throw N!gger, I claim Birther for all my brothers and will put it in the lyrics of my peoples songs.
    @jtrebowski- no time wasted, just checked my notes from 07`. and....it DOES matter that his father was not a citizen, he does not qualify the under the terms to be listed as Natural-Born Citizen, only citizen.
    @Plangkye- IF both of your parents were citizens, even naturalized, then I`m sorry but you are a NATURAL-BORN citizen and would satisfy this condition for presidency in the us.
    @ ALL--- The presidency of the us is the ONLY office in the nation that requires Natural Born. The founding fathers didn`t put it in only one spot as a whim or mistake. They understood the position they were creating was dangerous. If some socialist with loyalties to foreign governme
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    This is getting silly now
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    The layering was explained on the 1st or 2nd page of this thread.

    It`s routine for scanning paper documents into a computer-based system because if you don`t do it that way all you have are a lot of pictures that can`t be searched by humans or computers, i.e. are useless, or you have to manually input all the data on every document by hand into a database and use that instead.

    Layering is routine, a side-effect of the combination of scanning and OCR to convert the printed data into a machine-readable form.
  102. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm
    @Zephid: You`d be correct if he was not born in the United States, but since he was born in Hawaii, you`re wrong.
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    jde824 Male 18-29
    241 posts
    April 29, 2011 at 9:34 am
    @16comets09: If it is proven that he is not a natural-born citizen then every bill he signed to law as president should be overturned.
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    zephid Male 30-39
    92 posts
    April 30, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    @jtrebowski- ok, so no proof I`m wrong.
    To clarify, being born in this country gives you citizenship, and the possibility of dual-citizenship may also be extended by the country your parents are from, NEITHER of these are equivalent to being a natural born citizen as is required by the constitution. As it stands with the proof in his birth certificate, he is an American citizen , but not a natural born citizen.(depending on his time at school in Asia as Barry Soetoro, he might not even be a citizen... another issue all together which hasn`t been cleared up due to a lack of paperwork provided)

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