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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2011 at 11:52 pm
    Link: Kindergarten School `Shooting` - Limited details yet. I-A-B, your thoughts on gun control?
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    DeadDisco Male 18-29
    91 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 12:27 am
    I have honestly never seen a gun that wasn`t in possession by an official. Hooray strict gun laws.
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 12:33 am
    If you ban guns, then the only people who won`t have them are law abiding citizens!
    And let`s not forget:
    "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    The only way my guns will be taken from me is when they`re pried from my cold, dead fingers.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 12:35 am
    hmmmmm, gun control. yes.
    has no one figured out yet that the more guns a population has, the more s hit like this happens?
    In my country, the only people that have guns are farmers and hunters, they keep them locked in cupboards and hunt pigs and deer on the weekend and kill the odd rabbit.
    Cops, and not all of them mind you, have a gun, which is locked up in their car. our cops dont carry guns, we complained about them getting tasers. Gun crime in our country is very rare. If someone actually gets shot, it`s national news, for weeks. I`m sure criminals here have illegal guns, but you never hear about it, or see it.
    I went to australia once, there were airport cops with machine guns, i couldn`t stop staring!
    Honestly, get rid of the guns, all you are doing is killing eachother with them.
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    Zuki Female 18-29
    165 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 12:35 am
    Its not the gun`s fault that child`s parents are stupid. Again, it comes down to people, not guns.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 12:36 am
    poopnoodle, you`ll be dead becasue someone shot you.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 12:39 am
    There is already enough gun control laws and rules.

    Why is it every time someone tragically gets shot the issue of `gun control` is brought up ? Taking political advantage of a tragedy like this is just sick, it`s morbid.
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    ak47reaper Male 18-29
    117 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:06 am
    how about we go the other way and require everyone to carry a gun on them in proper holsters mind you. But really in a society where everyone is known to have a gun on them. People would be a lot politer and there would be very little crime knowing everyone could fight back.
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    hatface Male 18-29
    605 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:10 am
    "Why is it every time someone tragically gets shot the issue of `gun control` is brought up ?"

    Man, that made me laugh. Why is when people get shot, people call for tighter gun laws? It`s society gone MAD wen you can`t even SHOOT someone without someone moaning about how you shouldn`t even have a gun!
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
    841 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:36 am
    "Taking policital advantage of a tragedy like this is just sick, it`s morbid."

    I know, hatface. I was laughing pretty hard too when I read CrakrJak`s post.

    As if: "Oh no, someone got shot? Now I have to listen to those darn liberals whine some more."
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 1:39 am
    "Why is it every time someone tragically gets shot the issue of `gun control` is brought up ? Taking political advantage of a tragedy like this is just sick, it`s morbid."

    Whereas the advocates of trigger-happiness are reluctant to take the same advantage and throw in their views... hypocrite
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:42 am
    @CrakrJak
    "Male, 40-49, Midwest US"... wow, cliché anyone?
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    realblender Male 18-29
    536 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:45 am
    zuki, have you ever tried shooting someone without a gun? it`s really, really hard. most the time you end up just looking silly.

    i still love the `it`s people, not guns` argument. as if the gun is the poor victim in the whole thing that we all forget about. or perhaps the gun is a tool that people have shown on a number of occasions they can`t use responsibly.

    and no it`s not the same as spelling words wrong. that analogy is awful too.
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    VictoryRider Male 40-49
    1461 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:50 am
    Yes, I agree with gun control for kindergarteners.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:53 am
    "If you ban guns, then the only people who won`t have them are law abiding citizens!"

    Why does the US have the highest firearm related homicide rate of all developed countries?

    Your firearm laws are outdated.
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    bombaytech Male 18-29
    151 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:03 am
    I agree with restricting gun ownership by Kindergarteners. Enough is enough.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 4:13 am
    call me an alien, but what age is kindergarten? i thought it was a very young age...
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
    635 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 4:33 am
    CrakrJak = Best troll on I-A-B
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    MaximumTroll Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 4:48 am
    CrakrJak = worst troll and lifeless loser whose ashame of his homosexuality so he bothers people on the internet so people talk to him
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 4:55 am
    Hey guys! This is not a troll!

    Nope. No more gun control laws. I have gun control. I can hit my target.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    As for crakr, I think it`s funny when people have an opinion that is different from you guys, you instantly launch personal attacks. Just an opinion. Since it differs, I assume I will now be attacked.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:23 am
    Why does virtually every mass shooting happen in a so-called "gun free" zone?

    How much bolder is a criminal with a gun when he knows he is the only one with a gun?

    Would you feel safer in a room full of sane people with guns, or a room where 1 insane person has the only gun?

    Every gun control law puts more stress on law enforcement, which already nearly always proves to be inadequate. In theory, they are supposed to be the ones who protect those who aren`t allowed to carry guns. In practice, there are never enough cops to actually protect people. Criminals will simply go where they know the guns are not.

    The more guns there are in the hands of civilians, the more risky it is to commit crime. The lower the ratio, the safer it is to be a criminal.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2048 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:24 am
    The only gun control that needs to be more strict is the gun control at home. Get a f\/cking safe or a lock. Seriously. Parents/Guardians are you really that naive? Gun stores give away locks FOR FREE!!! You can make new legislation till you`re blue in the face but unless the gun owner is smart enough to own a gun then things like this will always happen.
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    danthew Male 18-29
    2122 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:26 am
    Jesus-f ucking-Christ you Americans and your stupid constitution. What kind of idiotic country not only legalises guns, but has them written in to the very basis of the country?

    I`m sorry, but every time I think about guns in America I lose all respect for your country. And if you think about it it`s probably just as easy to get a gun legally in the UK as it is in America, but because we don`t have a piece of paper with a catchy phrase on telling us to have one people don`t go and buy them.

    You should erase "right to bare arms" and use the spare space to write "right to internet access".
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:29 am
    Ok- we all know that if you have gun control only criminals will have guns, that they will then shoot all law abiding citizens and total anarchy will result. This is why the UK and Canada have far more gun related deaths than the US. Both countries would be far safer if they permitted all their citizens to carry guns. In fact- I feel so unsafe in England I never leave my house.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3039 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:35 am
    This is one of those rare instances when I agree with both CrakrJak & auburnjunky.

    I am a law-abiding firearm owner, with a sizable collection of handguns, shotguns, & rifles.

    With the exception of the two handguns my girlfriend and I carry for personal protection everything else is kept locked away in steel gun safes to which only we have the keys.

    Comparing the millions of law-abiding gun owners for whom safety is paramount to occasional idiot gangbanger, lowlife or reprobate is ludicrous.

    More often than not, the guns in these stories were originally in possession (usually not legally) of someone who fits the description in the previous sentence, and was careless enough to leave it where a child could easily access it.

    The far and away majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens... why should they be punished for the actions of criminals?
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    AirborneJT Male 18-29
    145 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:41 am
    @ Auburnjunky

    Sorry, bro... the "militia" part of the constitution died well over a century ago during the "Manifest Destiny" period of our country. Groups that claim to be militia still exist these days, but that whole part of the constitution is obsolete. Unless you include Blackwater, of course.

    These days, Militia are considered, by the government, to be a possible threat which should be monitored and regulated closely. I don`t know of any organized militia that reacted to any recent threats to our country. Of course, even if there were, I would assume that our government would have promptly intervened with their actions. The right hasn`t been infringed, it`s simply been decimated by loopholes and technicalities in the name of national security.

    BUT Props to you for disregarding anyone else` opinion by already writing it off as a "personal attack". You definitely defended yourself against other perspectives by preemptively wr
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    agentsmith41 Male 18-29
    27 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:41 am
    aaaaahhhh the ignorance of gun control freaks. Do you people realize that gun control isn`t the answer? All gun control does is make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun.

    It is a fact that a VAST MAJORITY of guns used in crimes are guns that have been ILLEGALLY obtained(i.e. stolen, black market, etc.). It`s also a fact that a VAST MAJORITY of law abiding citizens who LEGALLY own a gun never use them illegally.

    Making guns harder to obtain for law abiding citizens who have a right to carry a gun doesn`t prevent situations like these. They dont stop the black market for guns from existing either. In the states where guns laws are the most lenient, crimes with guns are lower than that of states with stricter gun laws.

    Hmmmmm... Coincidence?
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 5:41 am
    @RETARDEDBEAR, that is a retarded argument. The UK is an entire COUNTRY full of people without guns. Yet people don`t go around shooting people. A quick google gives, from a bbc source, 49 firearms-related homicides in the entire UK in 2005-2006. Another quick google gives 216 fatal shootings in 2005 in Baltimore alone.
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    EntrE Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 5:43 am
    "With the exception of the two handguns my girlfriend and I carry for personal protection" - FACEPALM
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2011 at 5:48 am
    All the laws in the universe cannot stop stupid people and criminals. Laws only work if people obey them. This is already illegal (6 year old getting his hands on a weapon) so what good will more laws do?

    Canada has so many anti-gun laws it isn`t funny. Most are `plea bargained` away and not enforced anyhow! What`s the point of that?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:04 am
    @Dan: Here`s the problem. The guns are already here.

    If we banned guns in America, then law abiding citizens would have to turn them in to have them destroyed/sold to other countries. Do you honestly think criminals would give up their guns? Not a chance. The police would have to go door to door, and search every home in the country to truly rid this country of the weapons we already possess.

    The UK never had legal handguns, at least not in recent memory, so gun laws there work. Plus, your nation is a whoooole lot smaller, and isolated by water (with one road in and out) and thus easier to police.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
    933 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:05 am
    I don`t own a gun. I`ve never owned a gun. I probably will never own a gun. I`ve thought about getting one several times but I don`t believe I have the necessary discipline to be considered a responsible gun owner. However, I do believe in the right to bare arms as much as I believe in my right not to bare arms. Perhaps that would make me the ideal gun owner, I don`t know. I do know that everyone I know who has a gun are people I would trust to own them. They`re not on display, out in the open, or laying around where a kid can get to them.
    As for the people posting from England who chastise us for having gun laws, if I recall my history correctly, We have the right to bare arms because of you. You might recall that little tiff you had with us back in the late 1700`s. Nasty business and all that rot.
    I leave you with the words of G. Gordon Liddy: Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2048 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:13 am
    @ danthew - "but because we don`t have a piece of paper with a catchy phrase on telling us to have one people don`t go and buy them."

    That`s not what the constitution says. It doesn`t save `must have one` but instead `can have one`. There`s a big difference there.

    @ Entre- Must be nice living in a place where you feel/are safe enough to go anywhere at anytime without the feeling of danger. I lived in a city where it wasn`t smart for me to drive down major streets after sunset because of the color of my skin. This same street if you saw colors walking across the street you gave them the right away. Sometimes 40-50 deep. Did I think for an instance they weren`t carrying? nope. Oh, and no I didn`t live in LA, NY, Dallas, or any major city for that matter so we do take personal protection personal.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
    1008 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:15 am
    so much hostility in here!! i am loving all the personal attacks by the liberal progressive types! you guys are scary!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:15 am
    Hey airborne:

    The "militia" part of the second amendment refers to the general populace of the United States, not organized pseudo-armies.

    If we are attacked by an enemy, then the American people have the right to gather their arms, and fight to save ourselves, and our homeland. That was the intention.

    About me shielding myself from attacks. I was just stating that more often than not, if someone has a minority opinion on here, some of the majority begins PERSONAL attacks. I can handle someone questioning my politics. I think it is unnecessary though, when people try to argue by saying "stupid" and "troll" and "go die". I feel that if you are going to say something, especially in an instance like this, bring something to the table or just don`t speak.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
    4033 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:24 am
    Right to bear arms issue? Nah.

    Right to bear children issue? YES! Sometimes I think people should need a license to have children.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 6:25 am


    That`s all.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 6:26 am
    I don`t understand why people need guns. They must have gone through some pretty scary poo in their life if they think the only way they can defend themselves is with one.
    The only gun I can understand someone owning is one for hunting wild game, or if you live in the middle of nowhere, and are afraid a bear or wolf might attack you.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:28 am
    "that is a retarded argument. The UK is an entire COUNTRY full of people without guns. Yet people don`t go around shooting people."

    You are comparing the United States to a much smaller, much more densely populated and culturally unified nation that is surrounded by water. It is far easier to enforce gun bans.

    As for your argument, obviously if there are fewer guns, there will be fewer gun related incidents. That doesn`t mean people don`t commit homicide - they just use something else.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:29 am
    @Oystah: Ab-so-freaking-lutely! Licenses to have children would be awesome!
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    McGov Male 18-29
    49 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:43 am
    My thoughts are more gun control would`ve done nothing because it wasn`t legally possesed to begin with. As alot of people are saying mabey we should think about parent control and relize alot of people breeding out there are unfit for parenthood and parasites to the rest of civilization.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 6:43 am
    Less guns in circulation equals less gun-related crimes and accidents. I dare you to contest that point.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:45 am
    @tired of nicks: I agree, but my question is, how do you get rid of the guns that are already here?
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
    383 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:52 am
    While people may still try to kill other`s when they don`t have guns, guns do make it a hell of a lot easier. It`s likely part of the reason why countries that don`t have such a gun-oriented culture have (much) lower homicide rates. Someone mentioned that part of the problem is not gun control, but the fact that there are so many guns in the US already. I`m inclined to agree with that, It would be better to strive towards a less gun-centric culture.
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    McGov Male 18-29
    49 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:55 am
    @Tiredofnicks

    Yes and less booze out there means less alcoholics but that was tried and failed. I myself don`t want the government to be sticking it nose in everything for the sake of "saftey" and in the process pussifying a nation like most of Europe.
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    McGov Male 18-29
    49 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:59 am
    @ChrisMunich

    Do you allow people to own swords??? Those are made for one purpose you know how about sharp object beter ban those too.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2197 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:00 am
    This incident appears to be more a lack of competent parenting than a lack of governmental gun control.

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    LordSatanPhd Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:01 am
    gun control?.......hot reporter is hot.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:02 am
    danthew-"What kind of idiotic country not only legalises guns, but has them written in to the very basis of the country?"

    Maybe the type of country that is attempting to remove itself from the control of an a$$hole king and corrupt oversight? One that succeeded in doing so.

    Gun control in this case would not have made a difference. It is already illegal for a six year old to carry a gun. Would a `double-super-secret` law have made a difference.

    The problem, of course, is that control-freaks seem to think that there is something mystical about guns. That if you just write on a piece of paper they will all dissappear.

    Well, you can`t put the genie back in the bottle. Guns exist, are easy to manufacture and are the best possible means of defense. Confiscate all guns today, and there will be thousands available tomorrow.

    Don`t like it? Touch cookies. Gun Control is five through the X-ring.
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    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
    773 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:03 am
    Ummm..nice grammar, every single one of you Americans. `Right to bare arms`? So, you`re allowed to wear t-shirts?

    Ahem...right to BEAR arms. Way to know your own constitution. And language.
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    McGov Male 18-29
    49 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:03 am
    Does anyone else notice those that continually preach for more gun laws and to ban guns know nothing about current laws or guns?
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:04 am
    @Tired of Nicks - Less guns wouldn`t equal less gun related crime. I would guess, 90+% of the gun related crimes and accidents are from illegal guns to begin with. Guns that will not disappear, since they don`t actually `exist`. Less legally owned guns just means more illegally owned guns.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:05 am
    Thoughts on gun control? This isn`t a gun control issue. It`s a parenting issue.
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    wabash Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:06 am
    Keep this story in mind the next time you want to get all up in arms about these kind of videos.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:07 am

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:08 am
    @ ChrisMunich: That is an invalid argument. There are several objects within my reach right now that are NOT guns, but used properly I could take a life with them just as quickly as I could with one of my guns.

    The bottom line here is that those who commit gun crimes most likely have acquired that gun illegally, and certainly aren`t going to give it up because the law says so.

    I see from the comments that many of you Euros who seems to spend most of your time denigrating and bashing America are weighing in here as well.

    We get it. You believe that you are far superior to Americans, and continually go out of your way to tell us that.

    You`re happy with your gun laws, and that`s a good thing for you.

    We`re not telling YOU to change your laws so YOU can legally own firearms.

    I`m hearing a lot of high & mighty BS from people who aren`t affected by the laws of a country you are separated from by an ocean.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:11 am
    auburnjunky:

    1) Make registering gun ownership mandatory.

    2) Discourage the possession of an unreasonable amount of personal firearms by applying a gun tax. You are still free to buy any amount of guns you wish, but each one above the amount deemed reasonable will incur a hefty price increment.

    3) Offer an illegal gun amnesty, that is if you turn in an illegal gun for destruction you will not be charged with its possession, and offer drop boxes where you anonymously can turn in illegal guns.

    4) Offer a gun "bounty", where you get an appropriate amount of money for each gun you turn in for destruction. This will be costly in the short term for the state, but if successful will likely result in a long-term gain.

    Top of my head, that`s how I`d do it. Oh, and you also need some way to "deculturalize" gun ownership, that is making people not identify gun ownership as a positive and identifying trait. How that`s gonna happen I
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:11 am
    "There is already enough gun control laws and rules.

    Why is it every time someone tragically gets shot the issue of `gun control` is brought up ? Taking political advantage of a tragedy like this is just sick, it`s morbid."

    Stop the presses. For once in my life I agree with CrakrJak. I think I might actually die right now.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:12 am
    haven`t got a clue.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:13 am
    @ Tired of Nicks: Gun buyback programs have been implemented in many cities in the U.S., and they are generally resounding failures. The weapons collected during these buyback programs are generally NOT the guns the police are trying to get off the streets.

    What they end up getting is a bunch of broken down hardware that doesn`t work, and has no monetary value... Some law abiding gun owners take advantage of the opportunity to sell a worthless, broken firearm for a few bucks.

    Criminals are NOT lining up to get $20 for their Glock.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:13 am
    1) Make registering gun ownership mandatory.

    Already is

    2) Discourage the possession of an unreasonable amount of personal firearms by applying a gun tax. You are still free to buy any amount of guns you wish, but each one above the amount deemed reasonable will incur a hefty price increment.

    Criminals will buy them on the black market, untaxed. The guns are already here, and invisible to the government.

    3) Offer an illegal gun amnesty, that is if you turn in an illegal gun for destruction you will not be charged with its possession, and offer drop boxes where you anonymously can turn in illegal guns.

    Why would a criminal give up his power?

    4) Offer a gun "bounty", where you get an appropriate amount of money for each gun you turn in for destruction. This will be costly in the short term for the state, but if successful will likely result in a long-term gain.

    Once again, the money a criminal can make off the gun i
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:14 am
    Once again, the money a criminal can make off the gun is greater than any "bounty" that would be given, plus the US is bankrupt, so we can`t afford that.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:16 am
    Guys, you can talk about violent gun-toting Americans all day, but the thing is, we`re not violent because of lax gun laws. It`s in our culture. Laws can`t fix it. Society has to change.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:17 am
    And on that note I`m out. The factions are set, the trenches are dug, let the sniping commence.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:18 am
    @Tired of Nicks - you`re way to late. all those are in effect now.
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    ak9882 Male 18-29
    39 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:19 am
    To the people talking about "black market" guns, realize that the vast majority of these guns come from registered owners who "lose" their guns. Make it so that every year you have to check your guns in at the local police station and if you are missing one you are heavily punished. THAT is gun control. Making sure people are in control of the deadly weapons they possess.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:21 am
    MeGrendel:

    Those statistics, whilst i`m sure are correct, are entirely useless... Suicide =/= homicide. Furthermore you don`t need a gun or sword to kill yourself.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:21 am

    tragic.

    no doubt the uberliberals want to ban all guns now.
    and if the kid drank drano by mistake you`d want to ban all cleaning supplies right?
    No?
    you think that`s overreacting?
    go figure...

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    Reganom Male 18-29
    505 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:24 am
    "Criminals will buy them on the black market, untaxed. The guns are already here, and invisible to the government. "

    I do wonder how many of the illegal guns were once legal guns though. As in stolen and such. I would be quite interested if there were statistics on the origins of the illegal guns. If it is found that the origins were legal guns, then that is a problem, if the majority are flown in and smuggled in then that what needs to be looked at *breath*
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:24 am
    @Gerry: No, they would just put more warnings on it.




    CAUTION! THE COFFEE IN THIS CUP IS HOT!
  71. Profile photo of Fuego
    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:25 am
    Like Osirisascend, I have a collection of handguns, shotguns, and rifles locked in a gunsafe. I have a CHL, though I don`t carry that often.

    I seriously doubt the mother of this 6 year old boy takes any steps toward gun safety in her home.
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    McGov Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:26 am


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    ak9882 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:27 am
    Gerry - The only difference is that Drano exists to unclog drains. Guns exist to _____
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:27 am
    @Reaganom:

    Not too long ago, you could buy a weapon at a shop, or dealer, and then you could register it later. Lots came from that. These days, the gun (handgun) must be registered at purchase, if it is bought legally.

    A vast many come from underground though. We have lots, and lots of unprotected coastline. Guns get here many times the same way illicit drugs do.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:28 am
    "The only difference is that Drano exists to unclog drains. Guns exist to" protect life, property, and acquire food.
  76. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:30 am
    Reganom-`Those statistics, whilst i`m sure are correct, are entirely useless`

    Sorry, missread the statement, and had already deleted post before your response. Thanks for catching it though.

    HOMICIDE stats.

    ChrisMunich-" It`s likely part of the reason why countries that don`t have such a gun-oriented culture have (much) lower homicide rates."

    Nice statistic. Only problem is that it`s wrong. South Africa has 12.7 guns per 100 people, while the US has 88.8, but has the highest Homicide Rate of 37.3 per 100,000 people while the US has 5.0 per 100,000.

    And Russia, which has 10% of gun ownership of the us, has a homicide rate of three times of the US. (15 per 100,000).

    Nice sound bite, complete bu!!shat.
  77. Profile photo of Reganom
    Reganom Male 18-29
    505 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:30 am
    AuburnJunky:

    How are guns registered? My basis is from CSI that it is just an ID number that can be filed down. Which is probably wrong, i`m not so dumb to take CSI as fact or science.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:32 am
    The majority (high 80`s to low 90`s, depending on who statistics one quotes)of the illegal firearms (ie guns of any and every type) in Canada are from the United States.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:33 am
    @reganom: Yes, you are right, but if you have a filed gun that`s a felony. ALSO a criminal wouldn`t want to register for a gun, then file it. Once you register a gun, that gun`s serial number is tied to your SSN for life, until you prove it is no longer in your possession.
  80. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:34 am
    Shocking.
    I`d have thought there were already laws controlling the use of handguns by six year-olds in schools.
  81. Profile photo of Lillim
    Lillim Female 30-39
    269 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:35 am
    "I do wonder how many of the illegal guns were once legal guns though. As in stolen and such. I would be quite interested if there were statistics on the origins of the illegal guns. If it is found that the origins were legal guns, then that is a problem, if the majority are flown in and smuggled in then that what needs to be looked at "

    I agree, but even if that were the case, the problem still isn`t with the legal gun owners. If (and no offense, but I doubt it) the guns were stolen, then we need to be cracking down on theft more, not on legal gun owners. Also... finding the origins of illegal guns is pretty hard since, ya know, most illegal gun owners don`t own up to it, and wouldn`t be happy filling out a survey.
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    McGov Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:38 am
    @auburnjunky

    Lol look like they started already...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:40 am
    McGov: This has to be a fav.


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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:41 am
    vv LOL - maybe it`s not a bad idea - I mean, we need directions on frickin shampoo. Ya can`t fix stupid.
  85. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:41 am
    Reganom-"i`m not so dumb to take CSI as fact or science."

    That is a good way to go. Unfortunately some people take it as accurate. If you watch CSI (which I enjoy, bwt), you will think that a Gas Chromatograph sample takes 15 seconds to prep, 10 seconds to run and gives you a report that say `Substance was Dawn Dishwashing Liquid that was purchased at Al`s corner store on January 12th, at 5:022p.m. by a blond male.`

    Sorry, it don`t work that way. 15 years in chemical research has proven otherwise.
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    McGov Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
    @auburnjunky

    ROFL!!! Oh god I hope that`s not real!
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
    Another way new guns are entering the black market is people with clean records buying them for people who can`t or won`t( called straw purchases). I don`t what percentage that amounts to, but it`s apparently big enough for ATF to canvas Houston with billboards, etc. http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/02/020911-hou-don`t-lie-for-the-other-guy.pdf
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    zephyer Male 40-49
    23 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:44 am
    I don`t know where he got the gun but, if it was from home then his parents need a good swift kick in the ass and they will most likely get it.
    You can`t leave loaded weapons around little kids. That is why there are gun safes and trigger locks.
  89. Profile photo of Reganom
    Reganom Male 18-29
    505 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:46 am
    @MeGrendel

    Yeah after 1 year of forensics and 2 years of human and medical science, you sorta get annoyed when they show those things so badly wrong. Then of course you get the CSI effect in courts.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 7:58 am
    "In elementary school situations, the student might bring a gun in for "show and tell" or it might have been left in a backpack by a parent or stepparent, Modzeleski said." (Quote from article.)

    ...Why in the world are kids bringing guns in for show and tell? That`s an awful idea.

    Honestly though, the child`s parent should have been more careful and observant. It should not be that easy for a 6 year old to find and take your gun to their school AND have it loaded.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 8:05 am
    MeGrendel: note that my argument is based on culture, not gunownership. So before getting all defensive and feeling offended, my argument is that firearms and a firearm-centric culture may very well be part of the problem. Nowhere did I state that it is all of the problem, you seem to be jumping to conclusions to better fit your argument, something I notice many people here on both sides do.
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 8:07 am
    @auburnjunky: @tired of nicks: I agree, but my question is, how do you get rid of the guns that are already here?

    That`s a good question, but I`m pretty sure that selling more guns isn`t helping.
    As immediate recollection would be impractical, how about gradual? No new guns would mean that eventually old ones would fail and wouldn`t be replaced.
    Or, as a good comedian once said, place price at 1000$ per bullet, that would work nicely
  93. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 8:28 am
    ChrisMunich-"note that my argument is based on culture, not gunownership."

    Incorrect, your argument (statement) was specific to guns, not to culture; `It`s likely part of the reason why countries that don`t have such a gun-oriented culture have (much) lower homicide rates.`

    Statistics prove your statement wrong, and support that it is, indeed, more cultural than guns. If that is what you intend to say, then say `cultural`.

    By country, both Homicide and Suicide Rates in no way coincide with gun ownership rates.
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 8:29 am
    Just did some research. I believe the laws for owning guns are pretty much the same for the UK and the US, with the exception that handguns are illegal for private ownership, and that was only introduced in 1997.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 8:45 am

    MeGrendeL; I would have thought the term `gun-oriented culture` made it clear that i was referring to culture, otherwise I would have said gun-ownership. Furthermore, I argued it was one of the aspects, because it puzzles me, why does the US have a homicide rate that is so much higher than other g7 countries? They`ve experienced many of the same socio-economic struggles since WW2, and from what I`ve found studies on gun-ownership comparing countries (not just studying the US) are inconclusive or at odds.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3144 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
    I could kill someone with my pants...

    I demand a ban on all pants, and all pants like objects, such as bikini bottoms, underwear, and boxers, etc.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:07 am
    MeGrendel: note that my argument is based on culture, not gunownership. So before getting all defensive and feeling offended, my argument is that firearms and a firearm-centric culture may very well be part of the problem. Nowhere did I state that it is all of the problem, you seem to be jumping to conclusions to better fit your argument, something I notice many people here on both sides do.

    I think there`s merit to that. Gun ownership is a fundemental part of US heritage. Over time the need has lessened, though the desire has not.

    I blame incidents like this one on the "me too" people who like the idea of having a handgun, but don`t take the time to understand how to safely store, clean, handle, and use the gun.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:18 am
    @DuckBoy87

    and bras
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    mcflylives Male 30-39
    334 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:21 am
    its stupid to think that guns can be "controlled". it isn`t the fault of the gun that it was loaded. i blame the PARENTS. the ADULT of the house that owned the gun should have made sure it was NOT LOADED and had some sort of trigger lock on it so this could not happen.
    yeah, lets blame the guns for their killing tendencies. cuz its the gun that can think and feel and knows that it it pulls its trigger it could kill someone. fooking stoopid.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 9:23 am
    Good morning America how are you today!
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
    2377 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:28 am
    "gun ownership culture" you have got to be kidding me... i guess that would be the saem culture all around the world?

    oh look maybe we can use guns to bring us together because we all share this culture? owning a gun isn;t a culture its a dratin tool.. just like a hammer or an axe..

    was there a hammer culture before guns were invented?
    then people would have said.. oh you mean the hammer carrying type? ya there always building houses and falling off the roof.. 10 people died last month building houses.. ban on all hammers and house building!!!!

    YAYYYYYYY WERE COMPLANING!!!!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:43 am
    Meh. Guns are rampant in ol` backward Texas. That`s nothing new.

    I don`t see what all the fuss is about.
  103. Profile photo of OutWest
    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 10:07 am
    Gun Control - Marijuana being illegal - prohibition of alcohol - Abstention from sex. All control programs that have no chance of success.

    I am amazed that the more liberal of us (with good intentions) want to control (stop anyone except for those they approve) gun ownership. But when it comes to abstention - they prefer sex education, birth control, and abortion to stop the unwanted babies.

    Following that logic, wouldn`t they be for Gun safety programs instead?
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    sweetpeadlp Female 40-49
    49 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Yay for my home town. STupid ass people and their off spring. Jesus.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2011 at 10:49 am
    @ OutWest: Right on.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 11:25 am
    America is too set in her ways and too backward thinking to bring in gun control laws like the rest of the developed world have.
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    snunicycler Male 18-29
    87 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 11:33 am
    Outwest, good point but alcohol, marijuana, and sex have safety programs because they are done to ones self, guns are something that would primarily be used as a weapon to injure someone or something else and should be controlled coherently than drugs and sex. I am NOT for the crazies who want to make guns illegal. I don`t know what the answer is.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 11:43 am
    oh look. another child brought another gun to another school and again people were afraid and/or injured and again people are complaining about the lack of gun laws and stuff.
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    PtblDuffy Male 18-29
    163 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    I won`t go into the whole gun law debate but i think this instance in particular is the result of bad parenting and/or lack of education about the dangers of firearms and how to use them safely. If the gun was locked in a gun safe, it never would have went to school (the best scenario). If it was unloaded as it should have been (even if it was in the backpack) it wouldn`t have gone off.
    I mean, c`mon
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    no comment
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 1:24 pm
    What?

    Why do liberals think that gun control will mean less gun crime?

    If someone is willing to commit one of the most egregious crimes of all (murder), what makes you think they`ll respect gun control laws?

    Also, the right to life means the right to self-defense; this means you have the right to own a weapon for self-defense. Think about it: it would be ridiculous to say you have the right to life, but not the right to self-defense. That`s like saying you have the right to life, but not the right to buy food.

    If we have the right to life, we have the right to self-defense; if we have the right to self-defense, that means we have the right to possess tools necessary for defending that life: guns.

    This incident in the report is a result of bad parenting, NOT guns.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    i`m quite happy watching, from a safe disatnce, on the other side of the world, as you silly americans slowly shoot eachother untill there is none of you left, them we might get some peace and quiet on this planet.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    Yeah I believe in child control. I think parents should have to take a test, training and be licensed to own a child.

    Oh wait... we are talking about guns? I`ll tell you what, I will compromise with you. If we hold the same standards for owning children as we want to do with firearms then I will agree to it... otherwise no deal.
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    steve41high Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    If every kid had a gun then they could have defended themselves. I jest, why are guns still legal in America really? An item with the sole purpose of killing. Begs belief.
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    agentsmith41 Male 18-29
    27 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    @auburnjunky:

    The "militia" also refers to the fact that the people have a right to overthrow their government and start a new one any time they want to. If that means we have to start a militia, then so be it.
  116. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    5864 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    splurbyburbl-"i`m quite happy watching, from a safe disatnce, on the other side of the world"

    And we, as Americans, are ecstatic that the other side of the world is where you`re at.

    steve41high-"I jest, why are guns still legal in America really?"

    A little thing called the Constitution of the United States. That, and the fact that we, as a nation, are not scared of an inanimate object.

    "An item with the sole purpose of killing."

    So, you would also outlaw swords, bows, crossbows, knives over a certain length, airplanes, rockets etc. After all, that`s ALL they were initially designed for.

    Pistols, by their very design, were designed for DEFENSE. Something small and easy to carry in case you came across a varmint (4 or 2 legged kind). Cowboys, hunters, etc in old times did not carry a pistol to look tough, but to take care of the occasional snake or vicious animal that might surprise them. Still works
  117. Profile photo of TheShgn2
    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:49 pm
    If the same laws were in place to keep stupid people from having kids as there are for guns, this wouldn`t be as big of a problem.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    that was a hard interview to watch, because the lady talking for CNN was a drating idiot! "can you tell us what was going on when this gun fired at lunch and what were the reactions?" its common sense dumb ass! they were eating food, thats what was going on, and the kids are 5-6, so they were scared poo-less at the loud sound of gunfire. now ask a question that doesn`t have a stupidly obvious answer and actually contributes to the story....
  119. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    1) Make registering gun ownership mandatory.
    @tiredofnicks: that`s been done in Canada! It was supposed to cost 2 million dollars and be finished in 6 months!
    Well, 15 years an MANY BILLIONS (yes billions!) of dollars later it STILL is an unfinished fiasco! And it has not prevented ONE single crime! In fact the errors or typos in the forms have created thousands of `criminals` whose only offense is incorrect spelling on their paperwork. Not by them, by the beurocrats, eh?

    That was only for long rifles, pistols have been registered in Canada since 1936...
  120. Profile photo of DShephard
    DShephard Male 18-29
    1595 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    It is the parents` responsibility to teach their children about the obvious dangers of firearms and to keep the gun in a guarded location unknown to the child.

    `Gun Control` in general has nothing to do with it.

    If anything, the adults shouldn`t be allowed to have kids, The story was in Houston, which does have some independent street gangs, especially near that school. Most likely one of the parents of the child who brought the gun has some connection to gangs.

    They`re just not parent material.
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    DShephard Male 18-29
    1595 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    @CoyoteKing

    That`s CNN for you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    I heard an elderly man explain it this way: (I paraphrase, of course, he was talking about a knife ban in all schools, which passed of course: zero tolerance!)

    "When I was a boy, all the boys carried pocket knives to school. We all had one, but no one EVER used one in a fight, that would be shameful! If you did threaten to stab someone, every boy who heard it would stop you; would defend whoever was being threatened. So it`s not the knives in school that are the problem, it`s that kids feel free to use them without shame, without their friends even trying to stop them."
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    DesertWolf Male 30-39
    63 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    Hate to spot the old saying again:
    If you make guns illegal, only criminals will have guns...
    Take a few seconds if you don`t get it... there, see the point?
    According the the police spokesperson, "It`s a crime to make a gun available to a child". So, should we make something a crime twice over?
    Maybe, just maybe, enforce the laws we have, before we run out and make some new laws for a PR fix.
  124. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    Why do liberals think that gun control will mean less gun crime?
    If someone is willing to commit one of the most egregious crimes of all (murder), what makes you think they`ll respect gun control laws?
    I know @M_Archer! wft eh? I always think of this when the liberals say `more laws = safety`...

    Da Boss: Gerry1of1 ratted us out boys, we`re gonna get our revenge tonight!
    Da Boys: YA!
    Da Boss: We`re gonna blow up his car with TNT!
    Da Boys: YA!
    Da Boss: And burn down his house with gasoline!
    Da Boys: YA!
    And Rape his wife!
    YA!
    And his children!
    YA!
    And his poodle!
    YA!
    Da Boss: And then Boys, we`ll shot Gerry1of1 in the head with a shotgun!
    Da Boys: But BOSS! Dat`s ILLEGAL to use a gun! We`ll get in trouble!
    Da Boss: Oh, you`re right... we`ll stab him!
    Da Boys: YA!
    (lolz!)

  125. Profile photo of human_exile
    human_exile Male 13-17
    875 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    what six year old can fit a handgun in his pocket?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    MEGRENDEL: I didn`t write that... get your quotes right and quote the right people.

    splurbyburbl-"i`m quite happy watching, from a safe disatnce, on the other side of the world"

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    I jest, why are guns still legal in America really? An item with the sole purpose of killing. Begs belief.

    Culture. It`s part of their heritage and most people in the USA either consider it worth the many lives it inevitably costs or don`t think about it at all because it`s part of their culture.

    They`re stuck with it, anyway. Trying to outlaw guns in the USA would probably be futile and might be counter-productive. They`re too engrained into the country.
  128. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    If the gun was locked in a gun safe, it never would have went to school (the best scenario). If it was unloaded as it should have been (even if it was in the backpack) it wouldn`t have gone off.

    I`m curious as to the sense behind this aspect of the gun argument in the USA.

    The most common argument in favour of guns being available to everyone is defence of self or others. Sure, people mention militia and it`s a valid point but it`s irrelevant to the USA for the forseeable future so it has no urgency. You`re not in any immediate danger of being invaded or being ruled by a brutal tyranny.

    So...defence.

    An unloaded gun locked in a safe is completely useless for defence. Almost anything is more useful for defence than a gun you haven`t got that doesn`t have any bullets in it anyway.

    "Excuse me, burglar, would you mind waiting for 5 minutes while I get my gun and my bullets and load it so I can shoot you?"

    &qu
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    Would a mod please discipline MaximumTroll, I believe their trolling and insults have gone far beyond the limits here.

    It`s to the point of stalking now, enough is enough.
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    SwayzeCrazy4 Male 13-17
    234 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 7:11 pm
    Oh my god. Some jackass didn`t know gun safety and let his kid play with his gun? BAN. EVERYTHING.
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    mts2457 Female 18-29
    535 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm
    all black?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    Crakr, noted.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    April 20, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    @Angilion
    what about a loaded gun in a safe that can be opened in a matter of seconds.
    You seem to have misrepresented the person you were citing by combining two separate points into one. I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that it wasn`t deliberate.
    As I am aware there are gunsafes that can be opened in seconds, I don`t have one but I know that they exist, surely enough time to dissuade an intruder. Equally, an unloaded gun, within arms reach, would do the same.

    Furthermore, there a lot of people, in Arizona for example, who are subject to being invaded by Mexican drug cartels. Police have been threatened and people kidnapped. I guess these are the people who are "not in any immediate danger of being invaded"

    Hope this helps.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    Oh, I forgot this

    Incidentally ABC keeps coming up first in my google searches. but I`m sure you can find more examples. Maybe the BBC has some?
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    Lauryn Female 18-29
    437 posts
    April 21, 2011 at 5:20 am
    J.H.C.... What dumb poo let his kid near a G D gun..?
    Obviously some idiot.. went "hey who cares about teaching my child gun safety.." Let them just shoot up a school...Instead of teaching them about GUN SAFETY.. FFS.. I totally agree with `Australian` gun safety... poo my 6 y/o.. knows how to fire a gun... Yet he also knows the consequences of firing that gun! And I dont think hhandgun`s should be allowed to the general public!

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    McGov Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2011 at 7:52 am



    UK`s armed police.
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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    April 21, 2011 at 8:59 am
    Well if the other kindergarteners had guns then this might not have happened.
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    Trojan Male 18-29
    511 posts
    April 21, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    Hey McGov, you might want to take back the first demotivator seeing as most Americans are either liberal or moderate.
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    icklevamp Female 18-29
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    April 22, 2011 at 4:51 am
    Mcgov, what are you on about? I`ve never seen armed police in this country at all. They respond to armed robberies and shootings, places where somebodies life is at risk. By no means do they wander the streets with guns.
    You might also fancy looking at the armed crime rate of the UK vs USA, waay lower over here.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    April 22, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    icklevamp
    I believe he posted this link
    I guess you`ve never been to an airport either.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    April 23, 2011 at 12:03 am
    I must be a gun grabbing loon with a bible for ammo to create such a lack of dissent

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