Is This How To Deal With Police?

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 6 years ago in

Man stands his ground with this officer. Should he be arrested or is he within his rights?
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Male 68
I think, as PC Stout seems to be a traffic officer he really should know what laws he is arresting/fining somebody under. Admittedly this guy was just being a d**k to annoy the officer, but how the officer reacted was out of order, that could be classed as assault, its probably why the officer didn`t pursue.
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Male 1,162
>>I couldn`t possibly disagree more. This man was well within his rights to question the constable. Maybe the cop should actually read and understand the laws he is supposed to be enforcing.<<

Why dont you go and try to remember the thousands of laws out there, then recite them perfectly from memory. Oh that`s right, not everyone can be Jesus like this rider expects the cop to be.

Also, how was the cop in the wrong at all? He simply told the guy "I saw you run a red light". 90% of the video was him being given a difficult time by the rider.
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Male 25,417
He was being a tool
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Male 81
awesome, but everything is more laid back in when said in that accent. i`d be less likely to react also if i talked in such a way
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Male 400
@Yap71
Male, 30-39, Canada

I couldn`t possibly disagree more. This man was well within his rights to question the constable. Maybe the cop should actually read and understand the laws he is supposed to be enforcing.
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Male 150
OK someone has to learn the difference between standing up for your rights and being difficult with the authorities. sure, the officer was somewhat in the wrong, but that guy didnt make the situation any better, and just tried to start something, knowing he could get some footage.
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Male 12
Flaming cyclists are a pain in the arse. They don`t pay road tax and assume they have every right on the road. Copper was a wanker but the guy with camera even more of a wanker. I would gladly run all of them over.
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Male 868
Ah Brits... Over hear that guy woulda had a gud @ss whupin!
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Male 153
I guess I come from the old school where this dick would have gotten his ass arrested. Sorry, but in the States, remember you can be detained for anything.
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Male 736
lol. if he`s right about the law then he`s right about the law. being a cop does NOT mean you are allowed to break the law. unless you`re in the States where your cops are becoming fascists and american citizens seem to be ok with that.
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Male 55
@ Paperduck:

No, that is untrue. Some states have different rules, but generally the police cannot force you to ID yourself.
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Male 22
Little Officer Dangle there is going to ticket the HOLY HELL out of the next old woman that doesn`t properly signal.
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Male 694
What a douche!
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Male 314
cyclist should be punched in the mouth
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Male 67
@Samsquanch: Your arguments are a welcomed contradiction to the main view on policing and handlers of law, but are invalid as you live in Canada. Canada rules.
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Male 792
I was stopped in Louisiana for doing 95mph in a 55 zone, because I was courteous to the officer, I never admitted guilt (he asked why I was stopped, and I said, "I guess I was going a little fast, eh?"). I chatted with him, and remained calm, and collected in the situation, and he remained very polite with me, and let me go with a warning.
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Male 792
You can contest that a fine will cause a personal hardship on you and your family. Generally...and again, if you`re polite, and not arrogant, the court will either dismiss the case, or reduce the sentence.
I was fined for driving with expired plates. I nodded at the officer, and didn`t make any indication that I knew the plates were expired. "I`m giving you a ticket for expired plates."
"Ok. Thank-you for the notification. I will ensure that the plates will be renewed in the immediate future."
Then, I contested it, plead guilty with an excuse (how could I plead innocent? I had expired plates. It was evident.)
Told the JP I was guilty with an excuse, then told him about the hardships my family faced with my grandmother who had cancer.
He found me guilty, but suspended the sentence. I paid nothing. I was calm with the officer, and the JP, and stated my case to the appropriate level.
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Male 1,313
The cyclist, like most cyclists, is a twat
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Male 1,745
Under US law, you are obligated to provide your legal name and address to a law enforcement officer, even if you`re just *walking* around doing nothing wrong. Refusing is sufficient to get you arrested.
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Male 151
I`m not a violent man, but I would take the misdemeanor and small fine to uppercut this annoying cyclist.
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Male 1,010
I am an experienced driver, as well as an active cyclist.

On the radio and in the newspapers drivers and cyclists are always at each other`s throats. "They do that, you did this, bla bla bla.

But, like with most things in the media, when you put down the newspaper - and go out in REALITY people are always smiling, letting each other pass, waving and so on.
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Male 496
You ran a red light: Pay the price or stop wasting police time you fat headed mong
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Male 37
weirdly enough i got pulled over in a bike for breaking the speed limit. I had to attend a "speed awareness course" and i didn`t have a drivers licence to have points put on.
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Male 3,631
I think the lesson to be learned here is that (aside from all the learned and intelligent contributions thus far), it`s sometimes worth a shot just to test the endurance and perseverance of any given individual law-enforcement officer.. sometimes, they`re just as easily led onto the path of least-resistance as the rest of us.
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Male 802
Here is a link to the guys blog.
http://tinyurl.com/3p46l2d

It`s funny he starts of apologizing to the officer. Then admits he was acting like a rebellious child. A good start but he then goes on to defend his actions and kind of ignore all that stuff about him breaking the law (allegedly). Would still like to hear if he ever got a ticket, but I didn`t see any info about that. Dangerous cyclists that potentially ruin innocent peoples lives are a pet peeve of mine. Anyway I guess if you want to follow this case check his blog.
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Male 1,010
Hah :-) I felt a little sorry for the cop for a while.. he did make a fool of himself, not knowing the legal codes for the authority that he practices. @nexus i don`t know how english law works in these cases, but i`d assume that it`s the same as here: yes a mistake of the law is not a mitigating circumstane.

Personally i think that legal knowledge should not be used to bug every store owner, car seller or police authority you come across. He should`ve just identified, recieved the fine and moved on.

On the other hand, this videotape does serve as an evidence that the officer`s knowledge of the very laws they are put to enforce are very poor. If the police officer had "done his homework" this wouldn`t have been so embarassing for him.
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Male 50
also, if this guy was as stated "a student of law myself" he would have known that it is up to the individial to inform themselves with the law, besides he ran a red light everybody knows that is wrong, you don`t need to quote a specific law to know that.i`m not a fan of heavy handed policing but in this case the cyclist should have been arrested and from what i saw up until the he tried to get the camera(not a smart move) i don`t think in a court the video would have had any bearing on a wrongful arrest claim
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Male 31
In the states he would probably have gotten tased
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Male 50
The cyclist stated he was on the Edgeware road,that is in london so covered by the Metropolitan Police i found this on there website. www.met.police.uk/stopandsearch there is a section on what a police officer can ask you and it states "The police officer will ask for your name and address and date of birth". You do not have to give this information if you don’t want to, unless the police officer says they are reporting you for an offence" now considering that the guy had run a red light, if true this is clearly an offence, the policeman would have been well within his powers to arrest the cyclist.last time i checked here in London anyway not sure about the rest of the UK these stop and search powers are in force and have been since the tube bombings.what i`m trying to say the cyclist was in the wrong however as posted earlier i`m not a lawyer
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Male 680
I`m not sure if it`s the same case in England, but I would assume it is since Australia`s legal system is heavily based on the British legal sysem. That said, I`m pretty sure that, because that laws are freely accessible to anyone, it is YOUR responsibility to learn the laws and how to obey them.
The police officer needed to say "You ran through a red light and therefore broke the law, I am now going to give you a ticket." and when he declined it, he had the grounds to arrest him for failure to privide details (as the cop stated in the video). Then, if the bikerider further refused, he would be resisting arrest and physical action would need to be taken in order to arrest the man.
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Male 377
Don`t provide ID, argue with a Police Officer and refuse to comply with orders creates this funny thing called REASONABLE SUSPICION and that take to the next level. The level where your smart ass mouth just gets you in more trouble. The cop looked like a rookie. He should have radioed for a FTO or other shift leader and had them explain the law. Noncompliance regardless of the situation WILL get you into trouble. Oh and the douche` with the camera is a little, limp wrist prick.
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Male 35
Cyclists ignoring traffic rules are a pain (I cycle and think a lot more people should as well). Assuming the guy did run the red light, this video demonstrates that those rules should be more effectively enforced, either by improved legislation or better police training. The officer should have been better equipped to clearly deal with that situation. His apparent loss of temper at the end (when he lunges at the camera) is the absolute worst way to deal with the situation.

It also illustrates a general problem; that police need to accept that they`re going to be filmed by the public, and they need to be trained to deal with that. They are acting in a public capacity and their actions should therefore be open to public scrutiny. If you let yourself get annoyed or defensive because of someone filming you (which clearly happens here) you are immediately losing control of the situation.
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Male 378
what a jerk. keep riding through those red lights there bud. one day your luck will run out.
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Male 663
Was the guy being a dick? Yes. Does he have some serious stones? Yes sir. If the cop had happened to be a hardass this would have ended badly though
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Male 2,737
BRAAAAAAAVO! That english guy is my hero. When a cop gets rude with me, I always ask if there`s an Internal Affairs Department at his or her precinct.That usually shuts them the hell up.
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Male 802
Would love to see a follow up since the guy posted the video I assume they can track him down. Did he ever get his ticket? Any further charges for fleeing from the police?
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Male 802
One of the worst days of my life was when I hit a cyclist who was running a red light at an intersection. Swear to god I thought the guy had died. He flew right over my car, landed in the street and didn`t move. I was physically ill from grief. Every time I See one of those non-nice individuals breaking the law and speeding through traffic at intersection it just pisses me off. I would love nothing more than to have seen that cop beat the hell out of the inconsiderate mean person.
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Male 55
"Being a dick" is precisely how we ensure the police do not overstep their bounds. They need to understand that their authority has limits and that they ultimately need to understand those limits in order to do their jobs.
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Male 1,510
In most countries you must provide your ID to an officer or you can be arrested. And an officer doesn`t need to know the exact wording to enforce a law. But I`m glad he got away =)
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Male 1,021
I just accept my tickets and then contest them in court via mail. I never lost yet. the cops don`t get paid overtime to do mail court paperwork (but they do get paid for in person court appearances)

As a result, they normally don`t bother to fill out the paperwork and I win by default.
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Female 399
He pulled him over on a bike because bicycles are traffic, too. We are "obliged(lol)" to follow all the exact same rules as cars.
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Male 884
A few things

*defending your God given rights doesn`t make you `people like that` you may not like his demeanor but he was right and the cop should have been properly trained/in possession of a high enough IQ to do his job.
* Not weighted to ones income but to ones worth. That would really make them work. Bill Gates, for example should be fined 25% of his net worth, unless that`s less than an agreed minimum
*and topsmurf, I guess you never got a ticket. Before you respond, I haven`t.

Finally, in Japan it`s about $5000 a pop for driving over the (0) limit. All passengers have to pay half as well. What do you think about that.
(I don`t know the current rate as the dollar is in freefall, but it was about that when I was there)
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Male 5,194
Guy`s being a dick, but why is the cop stopping him for ANYTHING on a friggin` BICYCLE?
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Male 3,619
For once, the citizen was more annoying than the lawman
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Male 2,868
@LazyMe484- I think that should apply to all fines. For someone with very little income, getting a $100 traffic fine can be an enormous hardship. For a corporate executive, it`s chump change. Since the principle behind traffic fines at least SHOULD be to deter people from behaving in unsafe or inconsiderate ways, then we should make sure to deter everyone equally- which means that the fines should have the same impact on your life whether you make minimum wage or a six figure income. I also favor community service as an alternative to paying the fine- the same number of hours for anyone regardless of income.
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Male 51
He outsmarted a cop. That`s not hard to do...
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Male 2,850
@LazyMe484

"On another note... I also think that traffic fines should be weighted according to one`s personal income."

In Finland, they are.
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Male 10,440
On another note... I also think that traffic fines should be weighted according to one`s personal income.

Anyone care to debate this? ;-)
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Male 494
That`s why police have to carry firearms, so they can shoot people like that and make the world a better place for the rest of us.
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Male 10,440
[quote] So let`s not talk about cyclists being the only possible injured party in any accident they might be involved with, alright?
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I will admit that. That`s fine. There are other road users, but they occur in lesser number. If a cyclist gets into a collision with anyone as a result of running a stop sign, it is *most likely* going to be a car.
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Male 10,440
[quote] And neither of the drivers experience any emotional distress from having killed a person... [/quote]
Can you not see the difference between death and emotional distress? If you had to pick one which would it be?

What if that collision was the fault of the drivers?
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Female 120
The bottom line is, it`s the courts job to interpret the letter of the law. Not the officers. It`s the officer`s job to enforce the letter of the law. If the officer thinks he`s within his rights to arrest and charge someone, he will, and the courts will interpret whether or not he was correct in his judgement. If so, the arrested will be charged and released, or just released. It`s a system. On video or not.
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Male 10,440
[quote] Yes...especially when they`re listening to their ipods, and off in their own little worlds, thinking of nothing but themselves. [/quote]
As opposed to drivers who are on the phone or texting...

but I`m not going to dispute accident statistics.

The only thing I am saying is that fines should be adjusted to account for relative vulnerability.
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Male 2,850
Also, to all those debating cars vs bikes and stating that car drivers won`t get killed if there is an accident, I would like to remind you of the following fact:

There are other road users.

The ones I specifically reference are motorcyclists and pedestrians; both of whom are just as vulnerable as cyclists on the roads, and can both be hurt and killed by collisions involving cyclists.

So let`s not talk about cyclists being the only possible injured party in any accident they might be involved with, alright?

Accidents involving cyclists don`t always just involve the cyclist as the victim.

(please note I have made very careful use avoid laying blame, and have said accidents INVOLVING cyclists, not accidents CAUSED by cyclists: I have no fully-formed opinion about them).
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Male 792
[quote]If a cyclist gets into an accident with two cars, the cyclist is probably dead, whereas the drivers very likely survive.[/quote]

And neither of the drivers experience any emotional distress from having killed a person...
Whether they were in the right or wrong, being the cause of someone else`s death is often emotionally devastating for most people, and will do what they can to avoid that situation...and collide with another vehicle...
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Male 2,850
@the_windy

"The guy filming is a jerk."

Yes he`s a jerk, but there`s no law against that.
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Male 10,440
@Samsquanch I didn`t say divers don`t make bad decisions, I said you are making the assumption that drivers will make the wrong decision by default.

If a cyclist is in a collision with a car that is the cyclists fault, the driver of the car will only get hurt if they make a bad decision. ie; by doing nothing at all, they are fine.

If a cyclist is in a collision with a car that is the car`s fault, the cyclist is dead regardless of if their decision making or riding ability.
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Male 2,850
Cyclist should not have ran the red light (if he did it).

I believe that the cyclist WAS required to provide name and address (and those details only). But the officer was providing conflicting information about whether he was required to do so, or whether it was a request he could refuse.

And if the police officer is unable to clearly state what your rights are and obligations are, then you as a member of public are quite justified in refusing to comply until your rights and obligations are clarified.

If a police officer hands you a gun and tells you to put it to your head and pull the trigger, would you obey, or question?

An extreme example, of course, but the point is there; if you aren`t required to do something, then you`re within your rights to refuse. And it is ALWAYS your right to question.

And the snatch for the camera...VERY illegal.
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Male 792
My dad was nearly killed in his patrol car when some idiot made a hasty left turn into the liquor store, hoping to get in before it closed.

[quote]And they also have a much shorter stopping distance.[/quote]
Yes...especially when they`re listening to their ipods, and off in their own little worlds, thinking of nothing but themselves.

You really do need to get off the computer. Cyclists are killed because of bad decisions they and motorists make:
>[url]http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm

Guy I worked with was lamenting that the police charged his father with riding a bicycle through a crosswalk, and wound up getting hit by a car and injured. He was complaining, "If my dad had been walking, he would have been killed!"
If your dad was using the lanes properly, as a cyclist, stopping behind the vehicle in front, and allowing the vehicle to safely make the turn, he
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Male 10,440
[quote] you don;t think cyclists can cause two vehicles to get into an accident? [/quote]
I never said that. If a cyclist gets into an accident with two cars, the cyclist is probably dead, whereas the drivers very likely survive.
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Female 1,589
The guy filming is a jerk.
Let the guy do his job. Shut, up, take the ticket, if you don`t agree with it, take it court.
It costs nothing here if you don`t want to pay a ticket, as long as you call in to the office and tell them. They give you a court date (usually a few months after), you go, and if the officer doesn`t show up it`s dismissed. And even if they do show up, it`s very hard for the officer to prove their case. They have to prove you are guilty, and if they can`t prove what they saw, then they lose.
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Male 792
Seriously, Lazy? You don`t drive too much do you? Most motorists DO make bad decisions...all the freaking time. Why do you think accident rates are so high? Why do you think fatalities are so high? Why even have insurance if most motorists are good drivers?
On the contrary, about 90% of the drivers out there are horrible drivers, who drive by the skin of their teeth.
Ever take the 401 near Toronto? People ride bumper-to-bumper at 140+km/h on that road. Try leaving a space, and some jack-off jumps in front to "close the gap".
I needed to come to an emergency stop once, and 5 cars piled into my rear. I had (and always do) left enough space between me and the car in front of me that the chain reaction ended with me.
A guy I used to work with was killed when a tow truck blew through a stop sign, thinking no one would be there.
My sister was nearly killed when a car ran a red light at 6am, figuring no one was there.
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Male 40,302
What a rooster! That cop was more than polite & patient with him. Should have pepper-sprayed him!

Operating a bicycle is the same as a car. If you violate traffic law, you can & should get ticketed.
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Male 10,440
[quote] And because of the fact that they`re much smaller, they`re much harder to see, [/quote]
And they also have a much shorter stopping distance.
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Male 792
[quote]Why can`t police be nice?[/quote]

Maybe because of 90% of the non-nice individuals they deal with who think they`re better or above the law, or watch videos like this and think that all cops are non-nice individuals.
Treat a cop with respect and dignity, and he will do in kind. If he`s not, clam up, take the fine, and contest it in a court of law. If he`s a right non-nice individual, the courts will recognize him as such, and dismiss the case on principle alone.
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Male 10,440
@Samsquanch you are assuming that motorists make bad decisions by default.
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Male 2,033
@LazyMe484

Are you intentionally being an idiot? you don;t think cyclists can cause two vehicles to get into an accident?

Get the drat off your computer once and a while.
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Male 792
...and no, cyclists don`t pose a small risk to pedestrians. Pedestrians are killed regularly by cyclists. Some cyclists can reach speeds upwards of 40 or 50 km/h. And because of the fact that they`re much smaller, they`re much harder to see, and pedestrians often miss them, or misjudge speeds, and step out in front of a speeding cyclist, and get killed or seriously injured as a result.
Likewise, speeding cyclists often zip very closely to parked cars, and parked motorists don`t often notice them till it`s too late, when they open the door (wham! dead cyclist or person getting out of the car or both), or they pull out (wham! dead cyclist or person pulling out as the cyclist is launched into the vehicle.
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Male 153
Why can`t police be nice? :P I swaer I feel like becoming one of these guys just so I can be nice lol, they`re all so confrontational
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Male 792
[quote]should be adjusted to reflect the fact that a cyclist is far more vulnerable[/quote]
Exactly...they should be stiffer, not more lenient. It`s not just man vs. machine, it`s man vs. man in a big machine. There is still the psychological factor to account for.
A motorist isn`t going to see a cyclist and think, "Jack-off just cut me off, but that`s ok, he`s dead meat."
On the contrary...people do tend to care about other people, and will do what they can to avoid injuring another person...and a motorist will think, "poo! I could kill that guy!" and will swerve to avoid the accident, and will likely cause another accident as a result.
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Male 792
sbeelz...are you serious? Officers aren`t paid to know the precise wording of the law. They are only expected to know the basics of a law, and how it pertains to the world.
An officer doesn`t need to know all the wherefors and hithertos of why it`s illegal to stop at a stop sign. That`s the lawyers` responsibility. All the officer needs to know is that it`s an offence that carries a fine of $x. If the person wishes to contest the offence, they can take it to a judge, who will interpret the wording of the law, based on the evidence provided. The lawyers` responsibility is to interpret and debate the meaning of the law.
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Male 10,440
Anyway the reality is that most cyclists aren`t going to speed through busy intersections with cross traffic causing cars to swerve anyway, simply because that is suicide. I`m simply saying that fines and such should be adjusted to reflect the fact that a cyclist is far more vulnerable.
Think of it like this... if tanks were street legal and you were in a collision with one, should the driver of the tank not be held more liable?
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Male 10,440
[quote] So cyclists can`t hit a car causing it to veer [/quote] A car weighs 10 times as much and moves twice as fast. That means it has 40 times the kinetic energy. No matter what the incident, the cyclist will always loose. Granted, they can still pose a danger to pedestrians, albeit a very minor one.

@kralmir same deal. If you run over a cyclist the worst that will happen to you is a dinged bumper. It`s the cyclist that might die.

@Mr_Pedo_Bear I don`t see how something that is clearly not your fault could "physiologically damage you". Even if it could, it is not enough to levy fines against potential psychological damage.

@SlothOfDoom If he speeds in front, he`d be passing you, why would you need to hit the brakes?

@sbeelz I`ll admit that I was exaggerating. The cyclist, of course, does pose a risk. But the fact remains that the impact between a cyclist and a vehicle and between a vehicle and a vehicle are fundamentally different.
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Male 181
Samsquanch

Thank you

It`s easier when the officer knows them but yes, thank you
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Male 792
I don`t know about the UK, but in Canada, the officers are in charge of enforcing the laws, it`s the lawyers who are in charge of interpreting the law. Officers don`t need to know the wording, that`s the lawyer`s responsibility...and as a "law student" he should be aware of this.
And, bicycles operate the same as motor vehicles, and must abide by the same laws.
And, a person must provide valid identification to an officer upon request.
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Male 181
Yet another douche of a citizen, "student of the law myself" well then you should know what a stop sign is shouldnt you?
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Male 2,868
"If a cyclist speeds through an intersection or doesn`t stop at a stop sign they are a danger to no one aside from themselves"

I`m a cyclist, and this is absolute nonsense. Most drivers who see a cyclist plowing through an intersection are going to try to avoid hitting them, which puts pretty much EVERYBODY in the vicinity at risk.
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Male 2,868
@Oscola- Considering police officers are responsible for enforcing the law, they damn well better understand the exact laws they`re enforcing. They absolutely CAN NOT just tell people what to do without being given the legal authority to do so. Citizens are well within their rights to ask cops about the laws they are attempting to enforce, and cops need to be able to answer those questions.
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Male 2,033
@LazyMe484

"the "laws" regarding cycling are grossly unnecessary. If a cyclist speeds through an intersection or doesn`t stop at a stop sign they are a danger to no one aside from themselves. The penalty for doing this should be adjusted accordingly. ie; a warning or a fine on the order of twenty bucks. "


Are you KIDDING? So if some ass on a bike speeds in front of my car and I hit the brakes or swerve to avoid killing him (or damaging my car, if I were some sort of murderer) any damage caused by me swerving out of my lane or causing a pileup behind me doesn`t matter? Is that what you are saying?
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Male 342
Would this video have even been 1/10 as long if this were in America? When he said "I`m not taking any paperwork today" *slam* "STOP RESISTING"
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Male 2,033
Ok....unlike some recent posts, this the case of a citizen being a douche, and the cop just trying to do his job by ticketing someone asswipe armchair lawyer who doesn`t obey traffic laws.

Douchebags like this cyclist are part of the problem, not the solution.
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Male 230
He didnt chase after him because he was a pain in the ass, he couldnt take it anymore!
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Male 349
Does that mean that if a policeman catches me in the act of sodomizing a shetland pony, but they don`t know the exact phrasing of the laws which prevent it, I can continue without disturbance? Awesome, Come here Honeydrop!
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Male 2,376
oh man that guy is good.. we have to stand up to the nazis.. that made my frigin day!!!!
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Female 97
The word of the day is `obliged`.
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Male 50
i could be wrong, but i always thought (especially in London after the tube bombings)if the police ask for your name and/or identification and you refuse or unable the are more than within the boundries of UK law to detain you till your identy is verified.
i think it was in the prevention of terrorism act of course i`m not a lawyer and like i said at the beginning i could be wrong
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Male 3,327
I can`t say about the UK, but here in the US you are not obligated to know the exact wording or exact section of the law to arrest someone under it. I`m pretty sure that the police have the right to arrest you if you don`t produce documentation in a situation like this, but I could be wrong, and this could vary. Also, some places have instituted laws which do not allow you to video tape police officers in the line of duty. And, no matter what, you run from the police here, and you will be hunted down. No way he would have gotten away with that last bit in the US.
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Male 997
@Lazyme484 what about the psychological damage of severely injuring/killing a cyclist. Being in accidents even when they`re not your fault can mess with youwhen you get behind a wheel again.
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Male 997
He`s an idiot who looking at his profile has been arrested before, only to be released once the regulations of PACE have happened. He purposely challenges cops to waste there time, only hope more cops could make the effort to arrest him and maybe he`d stop trolling them.
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Male 2,670
Yep, in the US, that would have been a tasing, if not a full-on beatdown followed by charges of `resisting` and possibly `evading.`

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Male 490
That man should be glad he doesnt live in the US, that video wouldnt have lasted more than 20-30 seconds.
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Male 95
Malikymoo- I have seen bike officers race up along side a car, block it off from the front, and then begin to issue a ticket for running the previous redlight in the downtown area. They are also good for getting around such areas quickly that get clogged with auto traffic and the lights. As for this clip, I`m torn between pulling for the cop to give this a-hole cyclist (aren`t they all?) a ticket for running the light, and for the a-hole cyclist for rather effortlessly and in a rather passive-aggressive manner fluster the cop so thoroughly.
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Male 1,287
and as others have stated, being a bit dim on the wording of the laws doesn`t mean you don`t know the law. I only wish the UK had plenty of large pickups and SUVs with aftermarket cow-killer pipe grills and bumpers. That bicyclunt needs a big sloppy kiss from one or two.
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Male 1,287
the guy rode through a red traffic light. As a bicyclist, he`s obligated to follow the same traffic rules as motorists. The officer was sadly a bit dim in his knowledge of the relevant codes and regulations, but that doesn`t excuse the cyclist from his offense.

Take the damn ticket or give your information so a summons can be sent. If you don`t give your information expect to be arrested.
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Male 840
If this were in the USA, the guy would have been arrested and the film ended at 30 seconds. I am not condoning that, but just observing the cultural difference.
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Male 351
"within his rights. brilliant. man do I love to watch police stumble over their words and contradict themselves multiple times in a single interaction. kudos to the man for knowing his rights."


neither you nor he knows the right or law. go die in a ant-filled pit.
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Male 13
If this had been in the US some cyclist would be walking to pick his kid up with a huffy up his ass. I don`t know what the UK law his but in the US the cop would have been justified in arresting him and calling him a twat too. Not to mention that he evaded arrest.

Cops can`t be required to quote every damn law they have to enforce no one can. It`s why every judge and lawyer has a library of law books.

In any case brits have to be the most polite people in the world.
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Female 155
Wow, that cyclist was a dick, so was the police man, but not as much at the cyclist. Shoulda called for back up and arrested the f*cker for just being a pain in the arse
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Male 351
"Two - the "laws" regarding cycling are grossly unnecessary. If a cyclist speeds through an intersection or doesn`t stop at a stop sign they are a danger to no one aside from themselves. The penalty for doing this should be adjusted accordingly. ie; a warning or a fine on the order of twenty bucks. "

great, except that a cyclist drating up and ending through my windshield alone can kill me and everyone in the area in a million different way(first one being the cyclist knocking me out from the impact, causing my car to run into a group of people and leave me and 4 others dead.)
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Male 351
the cop is allowed to arrest him if he refuses to identify himself when the cop has a reason to request it(aka the guy did something that caused the cop to give him a fine)

and not knowing the exact wording word for word is not the same as not knowing a law.


and that running at the end is yet another dumbass move. if you ask me there should be a law that allows people like this faggot to lose their children before they grow up to be pooheads like him.
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Male 3,147
@LazyMe484 "If a cyclist speeds through an intersection or doesn`t stop at a stop sign they are a danger to no one aside from themselves."


So cyclists can`t hit a car causing it to veer and hit something else, can`t go through someone`s windscreen and hit them? Of course they can be a danger to other road users, don`t be silly.
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Male 38
In my opinion, he is subject to arrest IF he committed a fine-able offense and refused to co-operate. However, neither of these gentlemen needed to be so dickish about it. Could he be arrested? Yes. Should he be ticketed? No.
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Male 10,440
Oh yeah, one more thing... this guy just got out of a fine... but he posts this video anyway which clearly shows the cop`s face. He`s very much identifiable. That`s just a jerk thing to do.
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Male 10,440
Two things:

One - a police officer should know the law and the exact extents of his or her authority so that such confrontation does not happen.
Two - the "laws" regarding cycling are grossly unnecessary. If a cyclist speeds through an intersection or doesn`t stop at a stop sign they are a danger to no one aside from themselves. The penalty for doing this should be adjusted accordingly. ie; a warning or a fine on the order of twenty bucks.

Barring this, it looks like the cyclist is at fault here... trying to weasel his way out of a fine. I don`t blame him though. There are worse criminals out there than rude cyclists.
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Female 2,027
i`ve always wondered how police on bikes could arrest you?
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Male 2,552
Correction to my previous comment: this cop tried to use the fact that many people don`t exactly know the law, and tried to give the ticket or arrest the dude.

Whatevs. Sort of drunk and not really capable of taking this kind of trickery that seems typical of modern law and lawyers.
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Female 535
Just shut up and don`t talk to him like you said you would do!!!!!! -_----
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Male 6,737
Also just had a look at the Youtube posters profile, his other 2 uploads are about ChemTrails. The guy is just an average joe nutjob that claims the world is out to get him.
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Male 6,737
What a dick.

Its times like this that I wish British police took a leaf out of the American police force book.
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Male 2
ya he broke the law but he should have just been given a warning (if anything). kudos to this guy for being a great arguer when the po po continue to be ignorant
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Male 2,552
Beaurocracy at it`s finest. However, this would not work in Sweden, as you, as a citizen, are obliged to know the law, or so I`ve been told numerous times. It`s an interesting turning of the tables. I don`t think that would work in the `States though, there seems to be a bit to much hairpicking concerning the law there than here. Just an impression I get.
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Male 3,147
If you are being reported for an offence then you do have to give your name or they can arrest you. If it`s just a stop and search record then you don`t and they`ll just write your description on the form.

The copper didn`t do bad until the end when his frustration got to him. Nothing the copper said was wrong though - he didn`t have to quote verbatim the law at the time of arrest if he chose to arrest him.
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Male 161
He`s just being difficult for the sake of being an ass.
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Male 3,745
now this guy is just being a douche...
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Male 59
within his rights. brilliant. man do I love to watch police stumble over their words and contradict themselves multiple times in a single interaction. kudos to the man for knowing his rights.
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Male 74
The guy shouldn`t have jumped the red light in the first place - Personally I would have just apologised and waited for the ticket, then again I obey the rules of the road, so this would not have happened to me.
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Male 95
The filmer is an ass
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Female 8,043
Link: Is This How To Deal With Police? [Rate Link] - Man stands his ground with this officer. Should he be arrested or is he within his rights?
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