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108 Responses to High Gas Prices Slow US Driving And Obama Ratings

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 10:39 am
    Link: High Gas Prices Slow US Driving And Obama Ratings - Obama, this is happening on your watch and it`s hurting your approval rating. I-A-B, what`s the deal? Is it his fault?
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Course it`s not his fault. Pretty much the entire world is the same.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 10:55 am
    hmm, did 5cats submit this link???? Surely he will have his 2 cents for this.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:00 am
    The only thing that is his fault, is his failure to do anything, or give a crap about it.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:05 am
    Clearly all the woes in my life are the president`s fault.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:07 am
    Buiadh

    In what way does that make it "not fault"? Just because the rest of the world is struggling does not mean that Obama has done nothing to worsen that (he has - ridiculous moratoria on drilling not based on science). It also does not mean that the prices are not worse due to the value of the dollar that he is working hard to force further down.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:10 am
    @Random: Wow! A European with a brain! I salute you sir!
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Its the most expensive gas has ever been and he has spent more money than all the other presidents combined. He could have given every us citizen one million dollars to stimulate the economy and still have spent less money. Gas was cheaper with Bush in office and he was an oil man. All I know is Im tired of shelling out the big bucks at the pump.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:15 am
    @meepmaker: Not only that, but the last time this happened, Bush released petroleum from the reserve, and he lifted offshore drilling moratoriums. This did little for supply, but it lessened prognosticators fears, which lowered prices.

    When asked about rising fuel costs, Obama simply replies with "Maybe they should stop driving SUVs."
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    Raokin Female 18-29
    452 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 11:17 am
    It seems that, when Bush was president, people would automatically assume it was his fault. The question wouldn`t even be asked.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:17 am
    Mr. President. Gas prices are out of control. What can you say about this?


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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:22 am
    It`s not so much as the worth of gas going up, as the worth of our dollar going down, so it takes more to buy the same worth of gas.

    And yes, that is, for the most part, the democrat`s & Obama`s fault. We used to have a president with a sign on his desk that says `The Buck Stops Here.` Obama`s sign is "The Buck is Bush`s Fault! All I have is `change`."

    I think the fairest thing to do is to find every news report that was written about extreme gas prices under Bush being his fault, and replace Bush`s name with Obama`s. (of course, our All Barack Channels would never do such a thing).
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:34 am
    All Obama cares about is being president. Good job or bad job doesnt matter.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:36 am
    high gas prices = less than half of what we pay in the UK? NICE AMERICA, NICE
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:39 am
    Raokin wrote:
    "It seems that, when Bush was president, people would automatically assume it was his fault. The question wouldn`t even be asked."

    Exactly! Thank you!
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:40 am
    wah wah wah, I have a big truck and it`s economical cos it gets 10MPG, wah wah wah, Obamas fault petrol costs more but I won`t buy an environmentally friendly car, wah wah wah global warming not my problem to solve, wah wah wah
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:46 am

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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:48 am
    @MildCorma, you`re right about one thing, global warming is not our problem to solve, since no one has proved it`s really a problem. You might also consider the economic feasibility and environmental impact of everyone buying new cars, let alone the fact that some people may actually need big trucks.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:48 am
    @mildcorma: America produces +50 times more oil than the UK. Of COURSE it is cheaper here.

    It is also, what 400 miles from the south coast of England to the north coast of Scotland? You have less demand, which equals higher prices.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 11:57 am
    US gas prices are quite reasonable compared to many other places in the world. And of course the rising and falling of prices are to some degree artificially induced by intentional manipulation or plain old anxiety by the tremendous non-nice individuals who deal with very important financial decisions. But let`s just blame the president because dumb-asses don`t know siht.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    Am I the only one that gets annoyed with the "summer driving" excuse? I don`t drive any more in the summer than the rest of year. And why doesn`t the lesser demand of oil for heat balance it out?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    @OldFrt, It`s called "Climate Change" not "Global Warming". There is consensus among climatologists that it is indeed occurring. Just because you belong to a political party that forbids you to believe in science doesn`t make scientific discoveries moot.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    Obama is NOT a leader, I believe most people are finally figuring that fact out. Charisma alone has carried him thus far, but it will not carry him to a 2nd term.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    madest: Just because you believe some charlatans practicing faith-based science with cooked-data doesn`t make `climate change` real either.
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    mkh515 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Of course it`s not his fault. But as the President, he is the face of this country, so it`s easy for ignorant people to blame Obama (or Bush, or Clinton, etc., etc.) for anything that goes wrong.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    No Crakr. Climate change is real. It`s happened over and over and over for 3 billion years, and it will continue to happen whether we drive SUVs or electric cars. Madest is partially right, but his reason for believing it is wrong.

    We are not causing it.
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    DJDoubleb Male 30-39
    382 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    @mildcoma

    A lot of the big truck drivers you are referring to are the construction workers who NEED those trucks. The American economy is down right now, especially the housing market, which means those same people have little work, can`t afford gas, and definitely can`t afford a new car. Our government is still spending money hand over foot, like it always has, and there is little good coming to the common American because of it. Hell yea we are mad. You would be too regardless of the price of gas in other countries.
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    HeadiesRusH Male 18-29
    328 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    I simply cannot comprehend why the American public seems to believe that the way to fix any of their problems is to just blame the President for them. I may just be uninformed, but as far as I know Obama has nothing to do with rising gas prices.

    I`m not saying that I necessarily like the job that Obama`s doing overall, but why are people like, "Oh, I was going to vote for him, but then gas prices went up"? Is it because they think some other president can magically make them go down? stupid...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    "Is it because they think some other president can magically make them go down?"

    Yes. Yes he could.

    US President: "I am immediately allowing all drilling permits in all 50 United States approved."

    Oil prices would instantly fall below $50 a barrel.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    You should look at the science CJ. Being willfully uninformed is not something one would expect from you.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    @HeadiesRush - when prices hit $4+ in 2008, Bush did something about it. Why can`t Obama?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    Of course it`s Obama`s fault, since he controls global oil supply and demand on a global scale, and personally sets the price per barrel.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    "Is it because they think some other president can magically make them go down?"

    Yes. Yes he could.

    US President: "I am immediately allowing all drilling permits in all 50 United States approved."

    Oil prices would instantly fall below $50 a barrel.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    Oh Davy. Don`t be obtuse. You know he has an effect.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    AJ: You are correct, I should`ve used the term AGW (anthropogenic global warming) instead. But it still stands true that madest believes that humans are the cause, and that so called `global warming` scientists have been caught altering the data to fit their chicken little scaremongering.
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    HeadiesRusH Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    @mildcorma: America produces +50 times more oil than the UK. Of COURSE it is cheaper here.

    It is also, what 400 miles from the south coast of England to the north coast of Scotland? You have less demand, which equals higher prices.


    Ok, I only took a high school econ/gov class, but I`m fairly certain that HIGHER demand means higher prices...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    @headies: Yeah I screwed that up. I type faster than I think sometimes lol.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    Here comes the next plan......
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    madest: I have looked into the so called `science` and found it lacking.

    Now I could re-write all my previous posts about the `global warming` scam, which would take several posts, annoy people, and lead people off-topic or you can read This
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    @McGovern: If he really wanted to, he could make it rain oil.

    Anwar, Dakota reserves, etc.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:44 pm
    "Wow! A European with a brain! I salute you sir!"

    What an idiotic comment.

    That, coupled with your flat-out denial of climate change tells me that you`re blinkered.

    Could Obama have done things differently? Perhaps.

    But the Americans have had it good for years. Here in the UK two thirds of your petrol is tax. If you guys paid as much tax as us on your fuel, you`d be paying the same at the pumps as we are give or take.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    Oh there they are. I was wondering when the republicans were gonna come in here with their false info, and desperate excuses to try and prop their comments up.

    /popcorn.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    @Buiadh: "That, coupled with your flat-out denial of climate change tells me that you`re blinkered."

    How on Earth did I deny climate change.

    I know it is occurring. Anyone who denies it is a moron.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    @TedGP: This isn`t a political debate Ted. I am not speaking from the point of view of a conservative. I am speaking from the point of view of a consumer.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    HeadiesRusH-" but I`m fairly certain that HIGHER demand means higher prices..."

    When you`re just talking the price of a product, usually.

    BUT, when your government wants to make money on our purchases, and demand is lower, they usually tax you more per unit.

    Example: The UK`s tax rate is £0.5895 per liter (or litre, if you prefer) or about or $3.62 per U.S. gallon. Also added to that is a 20% Value Added tax (and yes, your tax is figured on your VAT tax, so you`re being taxed on your taxes). You have an equivalent tax rate of 175% on your gas.

    Whereas in the US, the mean state tax of 27.2 CENTS plus 18.4 CENT federal tax gives a total of 45.6 CENTS per U.S. Gallon. Our equivalent tax rate is ~12% on our gas.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    @madest: I`ve never said climate change doesn`t exist, I`m saying it`s not been proven to be a problem. You can say the word "consensus" all you want, but there are plenty of credible scientists on both sides of the issue. I suspect that people who claim climate change "deniers" are getting their information from politicians are just projecting their own failings. Al Gore ain`t no scientist.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    Quit complaining, your gas prices are still pretty damn low.

    so called `global warming` scientists have been caught altering the data to fit their chicken little scaremongering.
    You are a complete idiot, but I`ve said that before.

    "I am immediately allowing all drilling permits in all 50 United States approved.
    The US doesn`t have enough oil left to supply itself. That wouldn`t do much.
  48. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:24 pm
    "The US doesn`t have enough oil left to supply itself. That wouldn`t do much."

    If you include the untapped supply we know about, we are #3 behind Russia and The middle east. There are other supplies that we we know are there, we just have not determined their capacity.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

    True, there may be yet unknown sources, but you shouldn`t count on those until they are proven.
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    HeadiesRusH Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    @MeGrendel

    Ok, thanks for the clarification. Like I said before, I was in no way implying that I necessarily knew what I was talking about, so I do appreciate your comment.
  51. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    Russia/Canada. Same thing hahaha.
  52. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    All republican talking points OldFrt. The science is conclusive. Not a whole lot we can do about it at this point. Seems our window of opportunity is closing if not already closed. Both north and south poles are melting at increased rates. Islands are submerging, record setting weather anomolies are monthly occurances. Indeed climate has changed many times since the earth was born as AJ pointed out but to completely dismiss 200years of pumping carbon into the atmosphere is disingenuous at best. A new manhattan project is in order. True that we won`t solar or wind turbine our way out of climate change but other options need to be explored.
    Denying the reality of climate change won`t do anything.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Also Lazy, another link which is just as relevant - if not more so - when we`re discussing US Energy Prices:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption

    Bear in mind that US oil consumption is around double US production. In other words, despite being one of the world`s largest producers, they use ALL their own production and import the same amount over again from overseas.

    AJ, you say you`re a concerned comsumer, and that`s a good thing. But as a consumer, you have two ways to influence the price: supply and demand. You can`t do much about supply of a global commodity, (and even if you drill everywhere in the US, it will be decades before that oil comes onstream). However you CAN do something about demand as a society.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    @Madest: I agree with you in part, but our impact, while it DOES make a difference, is minimal at best. I think I heard someone once compare it to throwing a pebble at a tsunami.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm
    eeek... bike riding for the win
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    The fact remains that the US cannot subsist on its own reserves.

    If it was to stop all imports and allow unrestricted drilling in all areas it would still run out of oil in two and a half years. It is forced to import from someone, there is no other way to do it. Best to import from a reliable, nearby source (Canada), but it still might not be enough as we can`t produce it fast enough - yet.

    Could Obama have done something about your increasing gas prices? Probably, but it wouldn`t make much of a difference.

    Lower gas tax? Gas tax low already, plus it would add to deficit.
    Drill more oil? Not enough oil available locally.
    Invest in alternative energy or energy efficiency? Too expensive/ takes too long
    Import from stable sources? Already doing that, not enough

    The way I see it your oil price hike is here to stay, unless you`re willing to engage in another oil war. Consequently those help everyone, so thanks for that.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    Woops. Looks like my calculation was off.
    19.12 billion barrels in reserves / 18.7 million barrels per day in consumption = 2.8 years.

    Still...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    LOL No problem Lazy. Maybe when the rebels finish the job in Libya (with our help) they will cut us a deal on Libyan oil.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    Everytime I hear someone bitching about our gas prices I just tell them to try moving somewhere in Europe and see how that goes for them.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    madest-"The science is conclusive."

    Hardly. If it were, they wouldn`t have been caught fudging the numbers. It`s the old case of `we are so sure we are right that we are willing to lie to prove it.`

    madest-"Both north and south poles are melting at increased rates."

    Both poles have melted, and re-froze, numerous times. And will continue to do so. And they did it without the help of SUV`s, too.

    Tell us, when is the climate `perfect`? At what points are glaciers the `perfect` size? When they reached all the way into the tropics? Or only when they reached Montana?

    Their computer models are never accurate. At best they can predict the past ("what, we had a lot of hurricanes? I predicted GW would cause that...it`s in my notes somewhere..")

    And the very convenient statement that was intentionally deleted out of the UN Report..."No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate
  61. Profile photo of mkh515
    mkh515 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    @HeadiesRusH
    "I`m not saying that I necessarily like the job that Obama`s doing overall, but why are people like, "Oh, I was going to vote for him, but then gas prices went up"? Is it because they think some other president can magically make them go down? stupid..."

    I agree. The majority of Americans are just ignorant, and the President has always been an easy scapegoat for the country`s problems. I`m not a fan of Obama`s job so far either, but that doesn`t mean I liked the way Bush ran the country. It`s the reason I don`t vote. As far as I can tell, it doesn`t matter if you vote Democrat, Republican, or whatever. This country is screwed regardless. Democrats and Republicans are too busy bickering with each other to make any real progress.
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    nimrod1991 Female 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    i dont care whos fault it is, i just want the damn gas prices to go down before i become homeless
  63. Profile photo of MaximumTroll
    MaximumTroll Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Yep. It`s Obamas fault because stupid drating counteproductive conservatives want to deregulate our economy until there`s only two classes: Royalty and Starving.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    Here a consoling thought for you all; It`s going to get much, much worst. And you can all thank your country`s corporations for it all.
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    toastertown6 Male 13-17
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    April 26, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    If he would let us drill in the US/ the gulf for oil we could put Americans to work and have lotsa cheap gas. Hopefully while we have this cheap gas however, we are putting money into wind and solar as well.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    @MeGrendel

    "Both poles have melted, and re-froze, numerous times. And will continue to do so. And they did it without the help of SUV`s, too."

    Correct.

    But we weren`t around with our coastal cities and fragile civilisations when it happened all the other times.

    As for making petroleum cheaper by drilling faster: all that will do is make us use it up faster.

    I`d rather pay more for my fuel now and have it prompt me to value it more, be more careful with it, and make the best use possible of every drop I burn, while others who are smarter than me are spurred into getting the replacement energy sources up and running, hopefully allowing me to live in a comfortably industrialised society for the rest of my days, and for the generations after...

    ...instead of blazing wastefully through it like a wasteful little twerp because it`s cheap, then find myself having to travel by rickshaw when I`m 60.
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    TheJinxer Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    I live in West Texas. High oil price = LOTS of work. Not just for the oil industry, but for every industry. The more money everyone keeps making the Richer I am getting. Without sounding like a d-bag, It`s not my fault everyone else in the country needs our land to go about their daily lives.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    @ Crakr

    Your picture with the "Chance" cards mentions the high-speed rail...

    How exactly would building a high-speed rail system be a bad thing?

    I could understand if you think it should be left to private industries or something rather than the government, but to be against it completely you would have to be utterly retarded...
  69. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    What! Another @5Cats anti-Obama posting!!!! Lolz!

    I vividly remember when the MSM was busting GWB`s chops over $2.40 gas and 5.4% unemployment.

    NOW they call 10% unemployment "FUN-employment" where hip folks take work-free vacations!

    And what will they call $5.00 gas? Economically Environmental Incentivizing!
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    APedersen Female 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    hey maximumTroll the so called royalty that you are talking about are people that busted there ass and work hard for what they have. the starving are the people that think everyone should pay for them to sit on their ass and play xbox. Stop attacking the rich
  71. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    How exactly would building a high-speed rail system be a bad thing?

    When the government spends BILLIONS on it, disrupts hundreds of towns and citied to make it, and NO ONE rides them, which costs MORE BILLIONS every years, for decades!!!
    Like the Detroit People Mover (link to follow) which: "In fiscal year 1999-2000, the city spent $3.00 for every $0.50 rider fare" times 2 million riders (about 1/7th capacity FYI) that`s losing 5 million per year. That`s just ONE city, and a small transit system.

    THAT is how it could be a "bad thing" OK? It SOUNDS like a fine idea, but reality might have other ideas (like in Detroit).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    Detroit People Mover
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 26, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    @APeterson: Don`t you know that it isn`t fair that those people get rewarded for their hard work?

    Here. Let Barack Obama tell you how he feels about it.

    “I want to live in a society that’s fair. Not just out of charitable reasons, but because it improves my life.”

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    BJH515 Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    It`s all the same with every president. They try to fix/alter the "problems" the previous president made, and in doing so get blamed for creating more problems. Obama did what he had to do to try and fix our economy, everything he does or does not do is criticized.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    @BJH: Did he do what he had to do to fix it, or did he do what he had to do to break it and install his own economy?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    It seems that, when Bush was president, people would automatically assume it was his fault. The question wouldn`t even be asked.
    BING! BING! BING! @Roakin has it right!

    Am I the only one that gets annoyed with the "summer driving" excuse?
    Nope @Oystah, it drives me crazy too! (hee hee) and it is such a feeble `excuse` it`s alarming how long it`s been around.

    I heard on radio interviews a PetroCanada guy explaining that "gas prices rise in the summer because demand goes up: it`s simple supply & denmand"
    In the fall, this SAME GUY said "we need to raise prices in the winter to maintain profitablility".

    High demand: raise the price!
    Low demand: raise the price!!
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    I think people just like to be mad at stuff and like to point fingers at the government. Everything is all their fault because your life sucks and you can`t afford to fill the tank of your 7 mpg Hummer.

    There are ways to combat high gas prices that don`t involve ranting about Obama on the internet.
    Car pool.
    Get off your fat bottom and ride a bike.
    Use public transportation.
    Lastly, be happy you`re not European.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    High demand: raise the price!
    Low demand: raise the price!!

    Good point 5 cats, unless there are more than 2 seasons.

    You lower prices during average demand, because that`s when the population is most sensitive to price fluctuation.

    When demand is low, you bump prices because the amount being used is already minimal. Sales won`t drop much, ergo more profit.

    When high, you want to cash in on natural increases, ergo more profit.

    Example: Water.
    Winter: You use minimal. The price doubles. Do you stop washing?
    Spring: You use average. The price halves. You increase consumption.
    Summer: You use more. Watering grass. Drink more on hot days, etc. Price doubles. Consumption decreases, but many still overconsuming. Profits awesome.
    Fall: Average consumption. Price halves. Consumption up again.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    "Car pool." I use my car for work

    "Get off your fat bottom and ride a bike." I use my car for work, and the average commute for an American is over 30 miles. Is that feasible?

    "Use public transportation." Not available in my area, but I wouldn`t use it, because I enjoy NOT being robbed/mugged.

    "Lastly, be happy you`re not European." I actually agree with this.
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    bram Male 18-29
    577 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 8:16 pm
    Gas is expensive, it`s getting more expensive. Bush sucked, Obama is currently sucking.

    This is just how life is, people need to stop complaining.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    Musuko42-"we weren`t around with our coastal cities and fragile civilisations when it happened all the other times."

    So, if we weren`t around to cause it then, and it happened, why are we to blame for any changes in a system that is, by its very nature, dynamic?

    And, coastal cities will move. It`s not like we`re going to wake up one morning and find out that the ocean moved into our kitchen while we were sleeping. Anyone who lives on, or near, the beach is used to living with the fact that nature could wipe them out.

    And our civilisations are only as fragile as we allow it to be. We`ll either adapt, or not. The choice is ours.

    Same with the oil and alternative energies. When one becomes less viable, others will be developed. Or we might `consider getting a hybrid`, and dontcha know old Obama just happens to own a company that builds them.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 9:57 pm
    Psh, excuses excuses. :P
    You could easily car pool with a co-worker or get up and get ready earlier for a bike ride..
    And I use public transportation all the time and as a young, average to fair looking 22 year old woman, I have yet to be mugged by a crazy. :)

    I own a chevy that gets 25 mpg, but I take the bus because it`s free w/ my university id. :)

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    Altaru; I`ll tell you why, China embarked on it`s own high speed rail project. Obama even mentioned it in his own high speed rail pitch recently.

    The problem is the Chinese project was supposed to cost $300 billion dollars, It`s now $271 billion in debt, To put that in perspective that is 5 times the amount of debt that nearly bankrupted General Motors. The ticket sales for China`s high speed rail debacle can`t even cover the yearly interest of $27.7 billion dollars.

    Read more about it here.

    What`s `utterly retarded` is believing high speed rail will ever make enough money to pay for itself, let alone be profitable. If it even had half a chance to be profitable a private company would`ve already started planning to build it.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    Bram said: "Bush sucked, Obama is currently sucking."

    True that, but the economy was booming when Bush came into office until he passed his tax cuts.

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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 10:23 pm
    @crakrJak: Perhaps, but not until they can lock onto a monopoly, or at least guarantee a huge profit margin. Meanwhile, while the technologu sits, so do we....in traffic jams.
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    vapor13 Male 30-39
    117 posts
    April 26, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    Americans, just be glad we don`t have Norway`s gas prices. $9.25 USD/gallon! It`s all heavliy taxed. Most European countries are paying between $7.50-$8 USD/gallon right now.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 12:03 am
    "So, if we weren`t around to cause it then, and it happened, why are we to blame for any changes in a system that is, by its very nature, dynamic?"

    Fair point, Grendel. What`s different though is the *RATE* at which these changes are happening compared to the goelogical past. And hey, you SHOULD be concerned. I`m not American, but I just read this article today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13190689

    And yes, not being an ass, but I like to think I know what I`m talking about. I`m a PhD Geoscientist, who works in the oil industry, with some specialisation in palaeoecology. It`s in my best interest to dismiss any effect of seven billion people on the global climate, I make more money that way. But I can`t bring myself to do it. I have a daughter.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 12:03 am
    I am amazed when I read some of the comments here. President Obama is President, not someone else. This situation is happening under his leadership or lack thereof. He gets the credit and/or the blame, comes with the job.

    Somewhere I read a year or so back that one of his administration actually called for higher prices similar to Europe`s so that we citizens of the US would stop using oil? But I could be wrong about it.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 12:04 am
    I do remember when gas prices went to a $1.00 a gallon and we waited in long lines to buy gasoline. Many at that time on our left would say, "Well in Europe they pay ____ so feel lucky, or stop complaining" Which was not relevant then nor is it now. But I do think that some here would like to imitate our European friends lifestyle? But I don`t know why?

    I also think that many supporters of our current President would approve if he dropped the atomic bomb on Toronto! They would find some way to blindly justify his decision or blame it on someone else. What kind of leader can he really be when no matter what he does or does not do is just "Job well done"?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 1:24 am
    jtrebowski: When and if the technology becomes affordable enough, There will be no need for the government to be involved, except for granting permits and right-of-ways.

    The US government didn`t build our railroads nor or airports, private enterprise did, and private enterprise would do so again for rail if the potential profit justified the cost of investment.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 5:55 am
    @MeGrendel

    "So, if we weren`t around to cause it then, and it happened, why are we to blame for any changes in a system that is, by its very nature, dynamic?"

    WHOOSH!

    That was the sound of my point sailing clear above your head.

    "And, coastal cities will move."

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    *wipes away tears*

    *thinks about what you said again*

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


    I`m sorry, sorry! You just...you just sound like a five year old child! Move a city...just like that...no big deal...

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 5:59 am
    @CrakrJak

    High speed rail may not pay for itself in direct terms, but what about in relation to the infrastructure cost savings elsewhere?

    It may cost a net loss to transport people by rail, but how does that cost compare to the saved cost of the road-widening projects and extra roads that would be needed if those people were instead travelling by car?

    I don`t know the figures. It`s worth looking into. Sometimes the real cost-benefit is not straightforward.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 6:05 am
    By the by, I read something interesting the other day.

    Petrol cost in Britain is considerably higher than it is in America, but because we generally drive more fuel-efficient cars than you do, and we drive fewer miles over the course of the year, we actually end up spending less on fuel than Americans do.

    Americans get cheaper fuel, but they use so much more of it; they end up paying more.

    Seems to me the price isn`t your problem...it`s how much you`re using.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 6:47 am
    Musuko42-"Move a city...just like that...no big deal..."

    People move for various reasons all the time. Didn`t say it wasn`t a big deal, but it`s far from impossible. IF (and that`s a BIG IF) people living on the coast are put in an unbearable situation, they will move.

    I got six feet of water through my living room during hurricane Katrina, so I know exactly the dangers of living on the coast. I am far from worried about Global Warming sneaking into my kitchen in the dead of night.

    You seem to be under the impression that a city is a static thing. It`s made up of many different units, all the way down to the individual. City borders expand and contract all the time. Population centers shift.

    Cities DO move. In the early days of air travel, airports were built WAY out of town, so as not to bother people. Where are they now? Did the airport move? Nope, the city did. There are many empty mining towns. They moved.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 6:52 am
    nubblins-"You could easily car pool with a co-worker."

    No co-worker has my same work schedule. Should one of us wait hours on end for the other?

    nubblins-"a bike ride."

    Not viable.

    nubblins-"use public transportation"

    Okay, to get to the NEAREST public transportation I have to drive 12 miles PAST my workplace. The majority of this country is not serviced by public transportation.

    nubblins-"I take the bus because it`s free w/ my university id."

    Ah, that makes sense now. You already know everything, although you`ve not actually been out in the real world. (btw..it`s not `free`. You paid for it through your dues. The transportation system has a deal with the university.)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 7:16 am
    @MeGrendel

    "People move for various reasons all the time."

    You said "And, coastal cities will move."

    Cities =/= people.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 7:20 am
    @MeGrendel

    "nubblins-"a bike ride." Not viable."

    You should probably explain why it`s not viable, because without giving a reason it just makes it seem that you`re too fat.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 7:42 am
    truth of the matter is oiul companies are raising gas prices to pressure our government to allow drilling on protected land in the U.S. If you ask me, the oil companies should be fitting the bill for our wars in the middle east, as it is now, we pay we fight we die they profit...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 7:49 am
    Musuko42-"Cities =/= people."

    I see that you conveniently deleted the part where I said `Cities DO Move`...why would you do that?

    But, that being said, cities DO equal people. People are a unit of a city, and people are mobile.

    I`ll make it simple: People can move. Houses can be moved. Buildings can be moved, all the way up to cities.

    But, you`re just being asanine. Current predictions (and we know how accurate THEY turn out to be) estimate a sea level rise over the next century to be between 4 to 8 INCHES. That will bring the coast line approximately TWO FEET closer to my house.

    Excuse me if I`m not very worried.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 8:02 am
    Musuko42-"You should probably explain why it`s not viable."

    I don`t consider a 30 mile commute in a town that averages over 64" of rain a year to be `viable` by bike. I bike for enjoyment and exercise, not for work. I also swim and kayak.

    The main point, is of course, that I choose to drive. I am under no compunction to explain that, or any other aspect of my life style, to anyone. I drive a big-honkin truck just because I like it. I also have a jeep for fun. I took out the little four-banger and replaced it with a 350 chevy because I wanted more power (oops, and forgot to put the catalytic converter back on...darn.)
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 8:16 am
    Obama needs to give me a tax credit for buying a scooter. No. Wait. Then the govt would just want it back next year. Either way. I think Im gonna buy a scooter.
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    GeFeldz Male 18-29
    135 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Converted to my currency vs the us dollar, that`s not even half of what we pay here. In fact we pay 2.3 times that price when simply comparing currency rates. 8.9 USD per gallon, try that one on for size!
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    GeFeldz Male 18-29
    135 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    How much gas do you use in your car per month in the us? I generally use between 35 and 50 gallons per month and i pay between 310 and 440 us dollars for that.
    The exchange rate probably inflates our prices as there are many variables.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
    546 posts
    April 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    I keep seeing comparisons to what Europe pays vs what the USA pays? Irrelevant to the topic.

    But, how much of what each of us pay is in TAXES?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6267 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 6:41 am
    OutWest-"But, how much of what each of us pay is in TAXES?"

    Covered in previous post (compared US to UK, not all of Europe), but will be happy to refresh.

    The UK`s tax rate is £0.5895 per liter (or litre, if you prefer) or about or $3.62 per U.S. gallon. Also added to that is a 20% Value Added tax (and yes, your tax is figured on your VAT tax, so you`re being taxed on your taxes). You have an equivalent tax rate of 175% on your gas.

    Whereas in the US, the mean state tax of 27.2 CENTS plus 18.4 CENT federal tax gives a total of 45.6 CENTS per U.S. Gallon. Our equivalent tax rate is ~12% on our gas.

    So, per US Gallon: UK taxes $3.62, US taxes $0.456
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    savagemonkey Male 18-29
    21 posts
    April 28, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    @GeFeldz

    Roughly 30-50 gallons for me, too. Although I have a really short work commute compared to many Americans. That will go up to 50-70 in a month when I move to the `burbs. Rough estimate would be spending about 200 dollars a month on gas. Luckily I have a 4 cylinder work truck.

    I had always thought many Europeans drive less due to cities with less urban sprawl and better mass trans. Haven`t been fortunate enough to see for myself yet, though, so would be interested to learn if that wasn`t the case.
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    Rich606 Male 18-29
    22 posts
    May 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    This is really gonna make it hard for Obama come re-election time... Oh wait, he`s the President that killed bin Laden. Well drat me square that`s lucky...

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