Controversial Sign At SlutWalk Toronto 2011 [Pic]

Submitted by: haxxorz 6 years ago in

What do you think about this sign, I-A-B? One one hand, she"s right. On the other, her 3 bulletpoints don"t help.
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Male 674
"i) If someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, it`s your fault.

ii) There are some things you can do to make it less likely that someone will break into your house and steal your stuff."

It`s most like to be a male breakin into someones house. Also most like to be a male rappin yer ass.
Dude...Angillion You suck dirt so hard, yer full of worms with every DICK word.
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Male 7
Don`t the ultra sick and twisted among frat guys give women drugs TO rape them? The other two bullet points, eh... not enough proof (that I am personally aware of) IMO to prove one way or another that it significantly increases a woman`s chance of rape. Like others have said, its hard to know what a rapist will target. However, if you are taking drugs and it is obvious you are in a weakened state why wouldn`t a predator take advantage of you?

I am not saying that you should modify your behavior to lessen your chances... that actually sounds like they win. I honestly don`t know what to tell you in this situation and I`m not going to post an opinion one way or another after only thinking about this for 5 minutes. Just please be aware that if you don`t know everyone at a party, making yourself as helpless as a child is prolly not a good idea (not just rape, you could also be robbed!). If you like taking drugs just know that (all) predators will take notice of you.
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Female 1,101
My point being. Do you always feel drawn to the sluttiest woman you see? No and that`s probably true of rapists too.

Dressing like a nun isn`t going to keep rapists from noticing or targeting you. And dressing provocatively isn`t going to increase your odds of being targeted, unless you`re already in a vulnerable situation, in which case you still might be attacked.

Clothes don`t matter. Stupid argument.
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Female 1,101
Sorry busy week...

@Angilion You still have not provided one shred of actual evidence that women who dress provocatively are more likely to be raped.

"True, but there`s one thing in common in every case - the rapist noticed them."

Yes but who or what the rapist notices or is attracted to attack isn`t necessarily going to be the the "sluttiest" woman. That`s crap.

Studies say that rapists pick out the women they think are least likely to fight back. So a shy or quiet looking women might turn him on way more than a woman in a tube top.

Like I said warped mentality. When I imagine the mind of a rapist, after having learned about them in abnormal psychology, I imagine a man who might think "Yea I`m gonna rape that prude uppity b-tch librarian. I bet her p-ssy is real tight." or "That college girl looks weak and is alone, I bet she wouldn`t put up much of a fight". Or maybe even, "Yea that girl loo
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Female 34
Good analogy, Angilion. Women should start wearing NRA pins on their chest like those home security signs you put on your lawn. "Beware of dog." Man, if wearing revealing clothing makes a woman more likely to get raped, I can`t imagine what it`s like living in some topless African tribe. Oh my god, or in one of those nude society compounds or whatever they are! It must be like a rape fest in there! But seriously, if women don`t want to get raped, why do they dress slutty? And for that matter, why do black people act so black if they don`t like racism? Just act a little less black when your in public. And Muslims: you`re less likely to be the victim of a hate crime if you stop flaunting your religion with your turbans and hijabs. And gay people! Just pretend your straight when you go out, for christ`s sake! Only stupid people don`t live everyday of their lives expecting someone to attack them for the choices they make. Smart people don`t leave the house.
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Male 1,610
Angilion

I once heard a interview on NPR about the woman who had undergone a sex change. Prior, she would see a girl reading a book and think, "I`d love to go talk to her about her taste in literature." After hormone therapy, and seeing another similar girl reading a book, she had thoughts of doing very intensely sexual, and almost beastly, things to her.

I don`t think it is sexist at all to say we men are closer in sexual mindset of other men, and therefor more likely to understand what would be going through the head of a rapist.

I think some rapists are sick in the head, but others are criminal opportunists and I am not so sure that qualifies them as suffering some mental illness. I could be wrong though.
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Male 559
"women get raped because someone raped them"
so rape victims tend to get raped?

lrn2syntax idiot
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Male 12,365
[quote]Since we, men, make up the overwhelming majority of rapists I think we`re more of an authority on what would temp a person to commit rape.[/quote]

Why? Rapists are wrong in the head. It`s not a matter of having a dick. It`s a matter of being wrong in the head. One doesn`t provide insight into the other.

Your comment is probably the most sexist sentence in this thread.
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Male 12,365
Quick test:

Are there any people here who have trouble understanding the difference between these two statements?

i) If someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, it`s your fault.

ii) There are some things you can do to make it less likely that someone will break into your house and steal your stuff.

I`m asking in all seriousness, because this thread is full of people who seem incapable of understanding the difference between saying that people can reduce their risk of being victims (which is being said) and that victims are to blame for being victims (which is what they`re claiming it being said).
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Male 12,365
[quote]I`m still waiting for the feminist vs. misogynist war to get all fun in here...come on people where are the `men are scum` and `women are whores` banners?[/quote]

Men are whores and women are scum!

No, wait, that`s not quite it.

Men are women and scum is a whore!

Ah well, close enough :)
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Male 12,365
[quote]How often do you turn on the news and see reports of "slutty" looking women being raped, abducted, murdered, or harassed? I don`t know about you but when I flip on the news it`s almost always some young woman who looks completely normal and non-"slutty".[/quote]

For the interview. People don`t always dress the same way all of the time, so you can`t take that as proof or even much in the way of evidence.

[quote]Rapists have warped sexual pathologies. Some like old women, some like young women, and some like librarians. Some like normal looking women and of course some probably like "slutty" looking women. But you don`t know what rapist you are going to bump into or what is going to set them off and make them want to attack![/quote]

True, but there`s one thing in common in every case - the rapist noticed them.

Unless you`re arguing that dressing slutty puts rapists off, attracting attention is going to attract thei
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Female 1,101
I`m with sbeelz. If you`re going to open your big mouth and say that women who dress provocatively are more likely to be raped - or even that women who were dressed provocatively could have avoided being raped - then prove it! Back up your claim with some actual evidence. All I see here is uninformed opinion, which quite frankly doesn`t surprise me here at IAB.
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Male 9
I liked the part where everyone needed to have 7 lines of comment
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Male 2,855
@epigeas
Hypothetically speaking, they are living in noseland, a land where there are noses who cover their nostrils and noses who dont cover their nostrils, if there is a finger loose on noseland, who do you think will be nose picked most often?
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Male 1,610
reptilla, i don`t know how you jumped from me not believing you to me wanting to regiment your whole lifestyle, but it was very impressive. 9.5 for dramatization.
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Male 2
when someone comes and sticks his finger in your nose, because you have a pretty nose and fully exposed, is your fault? metaphorically speaking
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Female 34
Brassbull, thank you! This is something I`ve been saying, too! Because men make up the overwhelming majority of rapists, they should be the authority on which outfits are "rape worthy." What we need to do is take a page out of the middle east`s book and let MEN make up the standard dress codes for women. Otherwise, how will we know what dresses are acceptable or totally "asking for it?" Now, obviously, not one male commenting on this subject has ever committed rape, which we all know because you`ve all started off with, "rape is never the woman`s fault, BUT..." I have to say, guys, the fact that you aren`t rapists is kind of disappointing. We need real, qualified rapists addressing this issue. They should be the ones making up the dress codes and probably even some behavioral standards. We deserve that heads up and none of you are being specific enough to actually help. For example, how safe am I in my great ass jeans? Maybe the top I wear with it makes th
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Male 1,610
[quote]I love how all the men act like her sign doesn`t make sense. It is never the victims fault, it`s the rapists.[/quote]

And most of the women here refuse to acknowledge the fact that none of us are placing blame on women for having been the victim of rape. But to say none of those bullet points factor, in any way, into any case where a women was raped in the history of rape sounds absurd. Since we, men, make up the overwhelming majority of rapists I think we`re more of an authority on what would temp a person to commit rape.

The argument that rape isn`t about sex doesn`t make sense, and like most things that sound absurd, I`m not inclined to believe it until I see some scientific study supporting said claim. That fact that so many people in here are raging about that just makes the argument that much more suspect.
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Male 2,855
Data:
90% of rapists are boyfriends, husbands, friends, relatives and one night stands gone wrong. The rest are strangers raping strangers.

Common sense:
If you are drunk, high, no panties, mini skirt, being reckless then you are increasing your chances of being raped. ITS NOT YOUR FAULT someone raped you, but you could have avoided it. And there is a fine line in making something happen and increasing the risk of something happening, no wait, there is no line, its the same.
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Male 2,855
yep, because a slut high on X in a party with strangers is totally safe.
Now, that girl with the sign wont get raped in a million years, i mean thats disgusting
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Male 1,929
Either that or they backed into a excited penis.
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Female 142
I love how all the men act like her sign doesn`t make sense. It is never the victims fault, it`s the rapists.
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Male 2,868
@Dextrine-
I`d like to see data that backs that up. While guys looking for consensual sex DO often look for slutty looking girls (on the assumption that they`re more likely to WILLINGLY have sex with them), I want to see some actual evidence that what a woman is wearing is a factor in rape. Many have suggested it is- from judges to this cop to about half the guys in this discussion- but I havan`t actually heard anyone present evidence to back the claim up.

Rape tends to happen not to the slutty, but the vulnerable. Everyone from children, to women walking alone at night, to old women in nursing homes. The idea that clothing has anything to do with it is 1) most likely not true, and 2) totally misogynistic.
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Male 483
Just how every lion picks out the weakest gazelle, every rapist picks out the sluttiest girl.

(well not EVERY rapist but you get my point)
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Male 723
Personal responsibility.

You`re doing it wrong.

8-) LJ
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Female 19
her bulletpoints are fine. i`m going to this march in ottawaza this sunday.
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Female 2,525
Her three bullet points don`t help? I fail to see anything wrong with her sign.

Why u so anti women, IAB?
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Male 8,447
Dreamstarr77-"Why on earth should a woman *have* to act in a certain way to avoid rape? "

No one said they `had` to. And no one said that dressing a certain way would be a prevention to rape. (after all, sick individuals have raped 90 year-old-women and quadriplegics, and I don`t think you could say they were asking for it.)

Nor is anyone saying any woman `deserved` to be raped. There is NEVER a justification.

The point being made is that I don`t care what you think you SHOULD be able to wear, there are sick individuals out there that look for:
-Victims that are drunk.
-Victims that are dressed sexily
-Victims who act in certain manners
-(among many other things).

Denying that those things could increase the likelihood of you coming to the attention of a rapist is a sure sign that you live in Politically Correctville, which bears absolutely NO resemblance to Reality.
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Male 112
Haha well there ARE non-nice individuals out there on the streets but if I meet one who`s out for a fight (I`m not a guy), I`ll try to escape and avoid physical confrontatio. I do not point the finger on him and tell him it`s my right to express myself... Also slutty-dressed girls might get laid more often but that`s also the point for a relation-ship-guy mabye to avoid her :)
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Male 3,915
Men are scum and women are whores!

=D
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Male 383
I`m still waiting for the feminist vs. misogynist war to get all fun in here...come on people where are the `men are scum` and `women are whores` banners?
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Female 1,101
@auburnjunky

"Sexually deranged people might be."

No, that`s bull poo. A person would have to be way beyond sexually deranged, and move onto delusional or insane for them to believe that they were allowed to grope or rape a provocatively dressed woman.

You`re average rapist on the contrary is of "sound mind" and knows perfectly well that his actions are unlawful.

Clothes don`t confuse men or rapists into thinking that they are allowed to rape people. They know what they are doing. There is no "confusion" as you suggest.

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Male 2,868
@auburnjunky- your joke has no relevance. Hitting on a woman in a bar who is dressed slutty is fairly benign. This protest is about women objecting to a cop blaming women for getting raped by dressing like sluts. Rape and uncouth pickup attempts aren`t in the same ballpark.

Bringing up the joke in this context trivializes a very valid point- that regardless of how a woman dresses or behaves, if a guy forces her to have sex with him when she says no, that`s HIS responsibility and his alone as an individual with free will.
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Male 10,338
"but you`re not confused about whether you are allowed to."

Sexually deranged people might be, and I can guarantee you, that if the club owners found out a guy was sexually deranged, they would never, ever let him in, because of the way the women in there are dressed.

Yes, I know my joke had MARGINAL relevance, but it was MARGINALLY relevant.
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Female 1,101
@auburnjunky Give me a break. There is no confusion, all normal people are well aware of the fact that they are not legally allowed to put their hands on someone else without their permission.

Heck take it to the extreme, are you allowed to go into a strip club and start groping the help? Heck no! You might want to, but you`re not confused about whether you are allowed to.
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Male 2,868
@auburnjunky- that joke is funny, but Dave Chapelle was not in any way talking about being confused about consent. It was pretty clearly, in context, about women who get super-defensive when men try to hit on them when they`re dressed sexy. Huge difference.
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Male 10,338
* The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I`m dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn`t mean they are a certain way. Don`t ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is drating confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They`re over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I`m dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean?
* All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore`s uniform. -- Dave Chapelle
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Male 2,868
@Angelion- Yeah, you can make an anecdotal argument for why that might be true, but people believe all kinds of things that SEEM true that actually are not. I won`t believe that dressing in revealing clothes is a risk factor for being sexually assaulted until I see studies that back the claim up- until then, it`s just an urban myth as far as I`m concerned.

I would be willing to wager (if I had any money) that a woman walking alone at night in jeans and a hooded sweatshirt has a FAR greater chance of being assaulted than a woman in a skimpy dress walking down the same street with a friend. Rapists are looking for an easy target.

As far as acquaintance rape goes, again, I doubt it`s about how a woman dresses in most cases- clothes are only one signal that women send out that guys mistake for consent. I don`t care how DTF a woman seems- guys who respect women can take no for an answer at any point- even after the sex has started.
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Female 1,101
@Angilion

"I do, for the simple reason that it attracts attention from *everyone* who can see you - the best, the worst and the multitude in between."

How often do you turn on the news and see reports of "slutty" looking women being raped, abducted, murdered, or harassed? I don`t know about you but when I flip on the news it`s almost always some young woman who looks completely normal and non-"slutty".

Rapists have warped sexual pathologies. Some like old women, some like young women, and some like librarians. Some like normal looking women and of course some probably like "slutty" looking women. But you don`t know what rapist you are going to bump into or what is going to set them off and make them want to attack!
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Female 34
First of all, IAB needs to stop bringing this topic up because it`s getting ridiculous. Second of all, to the person who responded to my post, you don`t understand sarcasm. And I don`t recommend passing out drunk at parties, but those circumstances don`t make it 3rd degree rape or something. Rape doesn`t have degrees of severity. It`s rape because someone is being forced to do something they don`t want to do and it wouldn`t be rape if they wanted it. As for the people talking about women dressing provocatively, for the millionth time, everyone has their own definition of where women cross the line from classy to slutty. In some countries, it`s showing your face or hair. For some men, it could just be how a woman smiles at them. Rapists read the signals they want to read and make the same arguments all of you are making to justify their actions. Just understand what type of people are reading the points you make and going, "yeah, man! That`s exactly it!"
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Female 3,598
if you dress provocatively, you are *asking for* attention... not to be pulled into a van and taken against your will... how can people even come close to thinking that is some kind of justification?
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Male 12,365
[quote]However I don`t necessarily agree that dressing sexy even puts a woman at greater risk of getting raped.[/quote]

I do, for the simple reason that it attacts attention from *everyone* who can see you - the best, the worst and the multitude in between.
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Male 12,365
As an aside, I`m not at all sure that was what EntrE`s comment meant.
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Male 2,868
@Angelion- I think you`re absolutely right- but I was primarily using the analogy to address the assertion that a woman who is dressed sexy is "asking for it," as implied by EntrE`s comment. So, presupposing that this is true (and it isn`t necessarily true, as you pointed out), what a woman is asking for is a guy that meets her personal requirements for a lover, not just the first guy that happens to unzip his pants.

I also want to say that I agree with comments that women should be proactive in protecting themselves. However I don`t necessarily agree that dressing sexy even puts a woman at greater risk of getting raped. I`ve never seen solid evidence to back that claim up, though dressing sexy does put you at greater risk of being blamed if you do get raped. Being proactive means being aware of your surroundings, sticking with friends if you`re gonna be drinking, learning how to defend yourself, and not leaving a public place with a guy you don`t know or trust.
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Male 12,365
While I agree with your general point, I think the "help wanted" analogy could be taken even further.

There`s another factor in dressing provocatively - competition. So in some cases women are dressing that way to compete with other women. Not to attract a man but to show other women that she *could* do so better than they could. Sure, it`s primitive behaviour, but humans are not entirely above that.

Back to the analogy: the sign might not even be a "help wanted" sign at all, more like a "my business is very successful" sign.
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Male 2,868
Now getting hit on is an entirely different thing- if you dress provocatively, you really have no right to complain about guys looking at you or making passes at you.
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Male 2,868
@EntrE- For one, just because a woman is dressed in provacative clothes doesn`t mean she even wants to get laid- she just might want to find someone to dance with. And even if a woman shows some cleavage or leg (or more) so she can find a guy for a one night stand, that doesn`t mean she necessarily wants to fcuk the first guy she sees. Use some sense.

Think of it this way- if you put a help-wanted add out there, does that give me the right to come to your place of business and start working without you interviewing and hiring me? If I did that and you`re like "hey, get the fcuk out, you don`t work here," what would you say if I responded "I can`t believe you misled me like that! YOU`RE the one who put out a help-wanted add!"

Rape is not caused by a problem with women. It`s caused by a problem with men, and your comment reinforces that fact.
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Female 272
@EntrE- Preach! :)
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Male 12,365
[quote]I mean thats the only possible explanation for this ridiculous overreaction to what ONE (thats right ONE) drating person said!![/quote]

Obviously they have nothing important to be worried about. Which is nice for them and shows how massively privileged they are. Canada`s a pretty decent place to live.
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Female 60
There are a lot of misogynists out there. I don`t agree with people saying that women deserve to get raped if the act/look a certain way. That`s the world we live in. It`s brutal. It sucks, but there is no denying that it happens. There are a lot of sick people out there, and they want to harm other people. It`s called being crazy. There are rules for dressing how you want to dress. I never go out dressed provocatively if I don`t bring someone strong enough to knock the drat out of someone-else if they step out of line. That`s smart. Dressing slutty and going out to a bar without a friend at 1:00am. Not smart. I hate rapists, but they aren`t mythical. They do exist.
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Male 2,436
Hypothetically speaking, if I were looking for a rape victim, I would choose one most fitting the criteria on the sign.
Girls, it`s an ugly world in which we live. Deal with it.
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Female 2
I agree with everyone on here that the rapist is the one who should be held guilty for his act.

But on the topic of slutty clothing... If you`re going to wear something like that, be prepared to take the consequences: people talking about you, sexual harassment, getting fired from a job, so on and so forth.How you present yourself sets the precedence for how people treat you.

Except in the case of rape. Those people are messed up in the head to begin with.
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Female 99
Why on earth should a woman *have* to act in a certain way to avoid rape? Why are people focussing on how they act or dress or drink or who they hang out with and where etc?
No woman deserves to get raped regardless of the situation she is in or the clothes she`s wearing or whether or not she`s been drinking THIS IS FACT , Women should be able to go out get drunk have fun without some sicko attacking and raping them.

Sure if they have consentual sex and then cry rape that`s just as disgusting imho and they make it nearly impossible for real rape victims to be taken seriously , But that does not condone the many comments in this thread that basically blame the woman for liking to dress nice and enjoying a beery night out with her friends , It`s disturbing that there`s this whole mindset out there that goes "oh she`s wearing a nice outfit and drinking a beer she deserves to get raped"
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Female 1,101
@CHICOMIMI

STFU you self righteous word for a female dog. Some people have crappy home lives, childhoods, or are just not that bright so they do stupid things like go out and drink with older men. Not me thankfully, but I would never presume to judge someone because they were victimized. As a paranoid individual who used to live in the city, I am very prepared to be attacked, but I would not judge someone who wasn`t. Learn some empathy.

It makes me sick to see you blame another woman for being raped, so that you can feel superior.

P.S. For all the ladies reading the crap on these boards... NEVER FORGET that it only takes 5 lbs of pressure to rip an ear off, or that your fingers can easily be jammed through windpipes! DEATH TO THE RAPISTS!!!
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Male 535
if you are dressed up as a banana, you`re not asking to be eaten!
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Female 1,236
I see where she was trying to go, but the sign was not worded well.
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Male 1,678
When that cop made that ill-judged comment I bet he didn`t count on every woman in Toronto being on their period at the time.

I mean thats the only possible explanation for this ridiculous overreaction to what ONE (thats right ONE) drating person said!!
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Female 174
How can that girl be taken seriously when shes laughing? lol
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Male 1,744
women wouldn`t get raped if they stayed in the kitchen and raised my kids like their supposed to
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Male 2,688
It`s not rape as long as you yell "SURPRISE!" :P
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Male 8,447
tn11 - There will always be arguments when it comes to the way things people want them to be and the reality of the situation.

The sign itself is not controversial. That fact that she may be that naive, or actually believe that, is.
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Male 1,587
MeGrendel- I never said I was arguing with you. I find that I completely agree with you. I just think that people are getting away from the bottom line.
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Male 299
This comment is a reply to quite a few comments out there. No one is saying that a woman is a thing. All the analogies are saying, is that you should be proactive in protecting yourself.

Just the same as how i am proactive in protecting myself from being murdered. I lock my doors at night, I don`t get involved with the wrong kind of person.
People are murdered all the time, yet i don`t live my life in constant fear of meeting the same fate. I prevent it from happening, buy doing the things (among others) listed above.

ITS COMMON SENSE! use it you brain dead drats.
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Male 491
Put down the sign and get you`re slutty ass back in the kitchen.
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Male 958
lames.... ima rape you hard.
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Female 16
I am not sure if this has already been said, but please keep in mind that this sign is a response to what a OPP officer said to a class at York University in Toronto "women could avoid being sexual assaulted if they would stop dressing like `sluts`" This comment is what triggered the SLUTwalk in Toronto, and also explains her sign a little better.

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Male 8,447
tn11-"It is one of the worst crimes possible."

Agreed.

"You can argue details and circumstances all day."

At no time have I ever said a girl is `asking for it` or `deserved it`. Just pointing out that your actions, your manner, and your dress should take into account that there are some sick people out there.

Failure to do so is stupid.

Reality is not politically correct. Reality is not nice. Reality does not give a poo about your feelings, your opinions or how you think you `should` be able to behave.

I have two daughters. Anyone who does anything to them will have to deal with me if I get to them before the police. At the same time I tell them, "Look both ways before crossing the street." "Don`t drink out of an open container at a party." "Don`t pet strange dogs, no matter how cute." & "Don`t dress like a slut if you don`t want to be treated like one."

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Male 8
I don`t see what`s controversial about this sign.
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Male 1,587
Hey, if I find out someone I know was raped, I`m beating that f u cker down, I don`t care about the circumstances. That is how I feel about rape. I will NEVER condone it. It is one of the worst crimes possible.

THAT is the bottom line. You can argue details and circumstances all day.
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Male 8,447
green_btrfly-"Guns don`t kill people, people kill people. Rapists rape people. nuff said"

And while no man wants to get shot, if he gets drunk and starts mouthing off about the `Superior Race` in a Harlam Dive (or about Obamacare in a Mississippi poolhall), the chances of him getting shot go up drastically.

What was your point again?

Rape, and the reasons behind it, is never cut and dried. Sometimes it`s control. Sometimes it`s lust. Sometimes it`s a missunderanding and sometimes it`s lied about. Sometimes it`s a girl jumping into bed with a guy driving a nice BMW at a casino only to find out it`s a rental and he lives with his parents and she `realizes` she`s been raped.

Reality is not politically correct. Reality is that while you would like to do whatever you please, there are consequences to all of your actions and decisions. Dressing like a nun will not keep you from getting raped. Dressing a like a hooker will increase the likel
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Male 2,121
Its the same as getting mugged because you were talking on your iPhone whilst walking through a rough neighbourhood. Obviously the mugger is the one at fault, but if you weren`t flashing your phone you could have reduced your chances. Be sensible.
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Male 25,417
yep
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Female 3,001
"Yes, but...more women/teen/girls get raped when the do put themselves in stupid situations from acting like idiots and drinking when they shouldn`t be, doing drugs and dressing like they want to show off what they have."


where do you people get these stats from?!!
most people are raped in there own homes, or in a place they would think of as `safe`, and usually by someone they know, so its not someone they would think they would have to exercise caution with


now im not saying people shouldn`t act safe or condoning drinking too much or drugs, im just saying, that most victims were not in that situation. its not fair for you to say that most victims put themselves in a vulnerable situation! do you even know any victims yourself? or have you conducted research into it at all?

here my source
i know its the same
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Male 1,195
That doesn`t really defend drinking excessively, doing drugs, dressing like a slut and being reckless. It`s not your fault if you get raped, but I wouldn`t feel as much sympathy for a bitch like you than I would for a respectable woman.
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Male 125
I was a counselor for highschool and college students who were raped (mostly girls, but there were guys) and I was privy to information on other cases that I didn`t work. I would like to point out that of the 40 or so cases I personally worked, about 80% of the girls were found to have falsified the report. Either rape (not necessarily intercourse, the two are separate entities) did not occur, or the interaction was mutual. As sexist as this sounds it is true for most universities. Also, I know several professors who have lost jobs due to false reports. It`s vile how SOME girls will use the rape card as a means of revenge.

standard disclaimer: I do truly believe rape is horrible and that all people should be protected and victims helped in any way possible. Also, my opinion was formed from personal experience at several volunteer centers I worked at, and they are by no means a universal truth, could just be isolated to my area.
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Female 99
*If they are old enough to have that frame of mind then they are old enough to deal with the consequences.* + *some women have it coming to them*

Seriously just wow i have no words to express exactly how wrong and idiotic this opinion is.
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Female 854
Yes, but...more women/teen/girls get raped when the do put themselves in stupid situations from acting like idiots and drinking when they shouldn`t be, doing drugs and dressing like they want to show off what they have.

If they are old enough to have that frame of mind then they are old enough to deal with the consequences.

I know a girl who all through out her teen years would sneak out in the middle of the night to "hang out" with much older men and one day she choose the wrong guy and got raped.

It`s a disgusting thing to think about but some women have it coming to them. Not all, I`m sorry that other women have to go through with that but it`s true.

Women aren`t perfect...
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Female 751
Guns don`t kill people, people kill people.
Rapists rape people.

nuff said
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Male 45
Never,ind.. I have just come to the realization that auburnjunky is an idiot. "Women will get raped if they make it easy for rapists to rape them.."If your child got raped.. would the first thing you say be.."You should have made it more difficult to be raped!"
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Male 45
@auburnjunky

I really hope thats a joke.. If so.. Ha. If not, I hope you get hit by a drating bus and RAPED by your husband.
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Male 153
@SumRandom1

Ooo do a magic trick!!
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Female 62
@mr_c_bowler
what? noooo. That`s very much not the same thing as the post. Rolling around in the snow, etc. are active ways of making yourself cold and you will inevitably get cold. Women are not actively trying to get someone to rape them just because they are drunk/drugged/dressed sluttily. They`re just more vulnerable to it.
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Male 1,360
i think it`s ludicrous that the officer actually said that... he might as well just say to all rape victims "you were asking for it, dressed like that"
asshat.
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Male 10,338
"Statistically speaking, your husband...is more likely to rape you"

This is not possible.

Groom: I,____, take thee,_____, to my lawful wedded Wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God`s holy ordinance; and thereto I plight thee my troth.

Bride: I,_____, take thee,_____, to my lawful wedded Husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death us do part, according to God`s holy ordinance; and thereto I give thee my troth.


One of these says OBEY.
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Male 794
IAB your too serious lately......why so serious??
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Male 24
@the_windy: Because the victim of rape is obviously culpable.

Just like if I drive through a bad neighborhood and get car-jacked, right? I should have known not to drive my car through a bad neighborhood.

Hood-rats can`t help themselves, and obviously aren`t to blame for stealing my car when I so provocatively drove it through their neighborhood with my windows down and doors unlocked.

Putting yourself in a bad situation and assuming bad things won`t happen is naive, but it doesn`t make you responsible for the misdeeds of others.
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Male 12
@The Windy:
Very, very few rapes occur under those circumstances. Most rapes are committed by someone the victim has an existing relationship to. Statistically speaking, your husband or boyfriend is more likely to rape you than a complete stranger. Furthermore, sexual attraction has little to do with rape. Remember, rape is not aggressive sexuality, it`s sexualized aggression.

The point, really, of these protests is not to get men to think that because a woman is dressed sexy, they can rape her. It`s to stop the third party observers from immediately trying to find something the woman did to "invite" it. It`s an avoidance technique, for women who don`t want to think that it could happen to them, and for men that don`t want to admit that there`s anything wrong with the way men think about women.
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Male 1,931
What`s controversial about the sign? She`s right.
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Male 132
She`s right and she`s wrong.
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Male 1,378
O RLY
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Male 15,510
Lmao a Slutwalk, the kind of things they are going to regret to have done
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Female 1,589
She`s trying to take the blame entirely off of the victim, and while it`s pretty to think that a woman should be able to walk down the street alone and totally plastered, and be able to get home safely, it`s just not going to happen.
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Male 8,447
Mad_Irish-"guys are being compared to sharks?"

No, he`s comparing rapist to sharks. The rest of men are dolphins that have no care how much meat a swimmer is wearing. (And don`t eat the swimmers with the tanks on their backs...they make you fart.)

reptilia-"all men are potential rapists."

And you are a potential $25 hooker.

Simply put, if you`re passed out drunk you are more likely to: have your wallet stolen, have nasty things drawn on you with a sharpie, have your clothes stolen, be duck-taped to a tree, get raped.

The SMART thing to do is not to leave yourself helpless...even better, keep yourself as safe as you can.
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Male 14,331
Soooo do these sluts put out or what????
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Male 6,694
Seems like she could have worn a little less.
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Male 1,587
Hey, if I find out someone I know was raped, I`m beating that f u cker down, I don`t care about the circumstances. That is how I feel about rape. I will NEVER condone it. It is one of the worst crimes possible.

THAT is the bottom line. You can argue details and circumstances all day.
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Male 1,587
Ok, what I think that most people are missing is that most rapes (too lazy to look up the figure) [I saw ruthless`s source- 85% of rape victims know their attacker] are done by people well known to the victim. That has nothing to do with how they dress or how they act, as that person most likely sees them in their highs (literally and metaphorically) and lows. What say ye all on that?
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Male 606
who cares?
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Male 383
The only thing worse than a rapist is someone falsely accusing another person of rape.
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Female 3,001
chartlatans is my new favourite IABer
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Male 1,587
Mad Irish- not really any beef with what you are saying, but I do object to your statement that "[I] am a human, not a predator." I think that idea needs some rethinking.
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Male 694
The odds of getting raped are probably higher if you`re dressing provocatively. Doesn`t at all mean that the woman is to blame in any way, it`s the sick bastard who did it, not the woman. But the fact remains.
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Female 1
Okay let`s get one thing straight. Women are not objects. Likening rape to theft is outrageous it is nowhere near the same thing. Rape is an act where something gets taken away that you never can get back. Theft is just taking away replaceable items. This is what the protest is about. http://www.slutwalktoronto.com/ It wasn`t protesting rapists. It was protesting the stereotypes women who get raped get labeled with. Not all women who were raped were dressed like sluts or high or being reckless. Women shouldn`t have to live their lives in constant fear that they are going to be raped. Women aren`t asking to be raped. Unless a woman walks up to someone and says "Rape me please." she isn`t asking for it, regardless of how she dresses or acts.
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Male 588
"Yeah, thats sad, but everything happens for a reason"
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Male 299
People don`t get cold because they:
were wearing a t-shirt,
rolling around in the snow,
swimming at the north pole,

They get cold because its winter...


Same thing as the post, makes about as much sense
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Male 515
People put themselves in positions to be taken advantage of, they are at fault, take responsibilities for your actions.
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Female 165
To all of you arguing against that girl, you should be ashamed. To say that those things `don`t help` and that she is `partially to blame` is disgusting and couldn`t be more wrong. It is like saying, oh well she was drunk, so her no really didn`t mean no...or oh, well she was high and unconscious, so when she didn`t say no I took that as a yes! Rape happens because the rapist don`t care. This girl is very right and people that disagree are the kind of people that make me sick.
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Male 10,338
Women will get raped if they make it easy for RAPISTS to rape them.

Edited for accuracy.
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Female 60
I`m going to start an all women commune. Where we can dress how we like with out men. Where we can be and do anything we want. My Rottweilers don`t eat anything a stranger gives them. I have twenty of them, and a surplus of guns. Trained women to guard.
We`re good.
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Male 2,034
That`s pretty pooty logic you got there.
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Male 126
Women will get raped if they make it easy for someone to rape them.
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Male 4,793
she`s completely right. Women get raped because many men are impulsive ogres, not because of what women do.
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Male 43
Yeah that girl is smart, cause everyone knows how intelligent, rational and clear thinking someone is when they are hammered and high.

If you pass out stoned or drunk and someone sexually assaults you, then yeah the drugs and booze are partially to blame, on yeah whats another word for sexual assault umm oh ya Rape!.

That girl is a moron, she thinks she is some genius for coming with that moronic logic, she needs to wipe that undeserved smugness off her face.
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Female 2,761
No- but those things don`t help
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Female 34
Iseeing: Preventative measures? Really? Like, when I go out I should leave my vagina at home? Trust me, I`d do it if I could. I don`t need that thing with me everywhere I go. Especially not when I`m living in a world where even MEN will compare their entire sex to a horde of zombies. You`re right, though. There`s no one to blame for rape but the woman who dared forget that all men are potential rapists. We need to stop making our decisions based on the myth that other people can be responsible for their actions and control their behavior. Seriously, when we`re talking about zombie rapists, what stupid woman dares to thinks she shouldn`t be living in fear right now?
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Male 383
The only thing worse than a rapist is someone falsely accusing another person of rape.
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Female 8,006
girls and womwn need to be sensible about safety, just as one would when crossing the street- it avoids fuss that is not needed. Rape is a violent crime that has nothing to do with how a woman dresses, what she drinks or where she goes- rapes is down to the rapist and is about power and violence- not sex.
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Male 2,419
"I swear officer I only showed him how much of a banana I can fit in my mouth at once, kept telling him about things we were gonna do back at his place, stripped, lay down on the ground in the park, and parted my legs while yelling `ALL ABOARD! CHOO CHOO!`. I in no way gave any sign of consent."
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Male 452
@Fuego, it`s the backwoods of west virginia isn`t it
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Male 61
IseeingI2I obvious troll logic
but hooray for a zombie argument^^
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Male 1,287
@kingpong
Prison is only one of the places. I can think of quite a few locations open to the public where men are equally at risk.
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Male 271
this argument is similar to running into a zombie horde without any sort of body armor because it doesn`t feel nice and instead going out with silk pj`s on "THESE DAMN ZOMBIES ITS THEIR FAULT THEY`RE BITING ME NOT MINE!" any chick who has this mentality deserves it for being a drating tease and a moron for not taking preventative measures
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Male 639
@MadIrish, guys aren`t being compared to predators, rapists are. Huge difference.

@Fuego, it`s prison isn`t it
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Female 3,001
"Rapists are horrible people, but walking alone late at night whilst dressed provocatively is like leaving your laptop easily viewable within your unlocked parked car. The thief is still at fault, but you could have done more to prevent it"

most people dont get raped walking down alleyways on there own, they get raped by a friend or someone they know. often rapes happen whilst at home.
read the first part of rape myths in this source

though not that im condoning walking alone at night, it just rarely happens that way.
keep safe though


" I would say that in most instances, women can prevent themselves from being raped if they don`t put themselves in bad situations"

i can only presume you know this through experience, as otherwise you cannot know how it is for the majority of women.
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Male 1,287
[quote]As a guy, I think it is really unfair that I can behave a certain way in public and not be afraid of rape.[/quote]

I could show you some places where your argument holds no water. No one is immune.
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Male 1,610
[quote]We did this yesterday :P[/quote]

And we`re gonna do it tomorrow. And the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after that...
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Male 67
As a guy, I think it is really unfair that I can behave a certain way in public and not be afraid of rape. I can go to a house party, get smashed, and *odds are* that the worst thing that will happen to me is that I will have sharpie on my face. I can walk home through a tough neighborhood and not feel threatened sexually. They can`t.

@DrProfessor: About the "meat suit in a shark tank" quote. Isn`t that a lovely portrait of our social system, to such a degree that guys are being compared to sharks? I`m a human, not a predator, and women are humans too. I just wish they wouldn`t need to live in fear and be able to do more things without fear.
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Male 2,033
Hide yo sluts, hide yo whores an hide yo tarts, they rapin ereybody up in here.
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Male 128
Rapists are horrible people, but walking alone late at night whilst dressed provocatively is like leaving your laptop easily viewable within your unlocked parked car. The thief is still at fault, but you could have done more to prevent it.
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Male 1,287
increasing your risk =/= asking/begging for it, deserving it, or any other invitation. It = increasing the likelihood of a negative consequence. There`s a difference however small that may be. Philisophically, you`re right. Rape is a horrible, horrible thing though, and personally, I`d rather not take liberties with my rights as a human being however just or right I may be to do so if that means putting myself at an increased risk of a crime against me.
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Male 10,338
There`s a difference between a se3rial rapist and a date rapist.

A serial rapist will rape you, even if you are wearing a burqua. A date rapist will choose the hottest woman, wearing the most provocative clothes, and claim she is asking for it. He will then make a move on her. If she refuses, he will get frustrated and commence with the raping if the opportunity presents itself.
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Male 288
@tinkerbellio

I should have worded my comment differently. I would say that in most instances, women can prevent themselves from being raped if they don`t put themselves in bad situations. The guy is still at fault, but some women really are dumb sluts.
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Male 1,587
I agree, it is never the woman`s fault. But if I leave my car unlocked in downtown LA, I am making a poor decision that makes having my car stolen so much easier. Same with pick-pockets and so many other things. I`m saying make good decisions out there, not everyone is a good guy and not everyone is your friend.
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Male 639
Horseshyt, if you don`t wear your chastity belt and you get raped that`s your fault, and that`s just reckless.

Also I`m pretty sure most rapists aren`t going to listen to a rational argument.
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Male 3,625
If I drive drunk does that mean I`m going to get into an accident? No. Does it increase my chances of getting into an accident? Yes.
If a woman dresses like a slut does that mean she`s going to get raped? No. Does it increase her chances of getting raped? Unfortunately yes.

Quoting someone from the other thread, reality isn`t as politically correct as we would like.
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Male 3,894
Nobody should rape anybody.

Nobody DESERVES to get raped.

I think absolutely everyone can agree with that. Rapists are terrible, despicable people who deserve to be put in jail.


...That being said... you wouldn`t wear a meat suit (a la Lady Gaga) in a shark tank. That`s dangerous.

Furthermore, I`m not sure who this march is targeted at. Are they trying to tell rapists not to rape them? "HEY! DON`T RAPE ME BECAUSE OF WHAT I WEAR!"

Look. If someone`s a rapist, they`re going to be raping people no matter what. They`re not going to see this and go "oh, well shoot. These women ARE people, and just because they`re dressed scantily doesn`t mean I should rape them!"

It doesn`t really work like that. Rapists are mentally sick, unreasonable, and unstable people. It`s just prudent to avoid setting them off in the way you`d avoid trying to set off any other violent criminal. Be safe--in ANY way you can.
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Male 19
While I do not at all condone rape or violence of any kind; The above seems to justify walking in a "High-crime" neighborhood, late at night, with my $3,000 Armani suit, gold Rolex watch, $1000 Gucci shoes, wallet bulging with cash, etc. and I should not expect to get mugged??!! (or worse yet murdered) Does that about sum it up?
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Female 4,039
We did this yesterday :P
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Male 721
"On one hand she`s right..."

and left on the other ^.^
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Male 139
Also, just to add to my previous statement. I don`t think it`s a girls fault when she dresses too slutty ..but when you do, you need to take into account those things I mentioned earlier times 10.
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Male 815
No actually she is correct, R(a)->R(b), junky you`re examples are all analytic because there is nothing excluded from the consequent that isn`t already in the antecedent.
If you look at the statements` inverses: "I didn`t get raped because I didn`t wear slutty clothes/drink/be reckless" isn`t necessarly true because you COULD be raped while not doing those things, while "I didn`t get raped because nobody raped me" is true, and it is a synthetic statement so it is logically sound (-:
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Male 139
I don`t think being raped is the womans fault at all. Some of them make the mistake of drinking too much and wandering off, taking (drugged) drinks some strangers, leading guys on and then shutting them down (which can cause that man a lot of sexual frustration, which could lead to his darker impulses)

Again, the guy who rapes is so much more drated in the head ..but some girls need to smarten up when they`re out getting drunk or at a random party. This is strictly about those kinds of rape scenarios ..I`m not talking about rape that happens between family members, because that is another issue altogether.
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Female 1,001
"Sorry, but in some instances women need to take some responsibility for the positions they put themselves in"

So basically what you are saying is that some women deserve it? I love to see an example of such "positions".
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Male 260
startech = too true comment

maybe for the people who are intent on a crime, yea its gonna happen anyways... but if youve got someone on the fence about it, and then he (or she, yea girls, it happens, stop with your double standard bullshi*) and they see some girl in a skirt thats right below her waist and a shirt thats just a cloth... well ur throwing them over that fence

dont get me wrong, thats a horrible crime, but if you dress like a hoe every night of your life, you asking for it
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Male 288
Sorry, but in some instances women need to take some responsibility for the positions they put themselves in.
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Male 605
"On one hand she`s right..."

What.
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Male 10,338
LOL!

I breathed air because I WAS BREATHING!

I ate food BECAUSE I WAS EATING!

I took a bath because I WAS BATHING!

Doesn`t seem like a good argument now does it?
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Female 4,039
Many women get raped while protesting.
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Female 152
When people (or I) make this argument, it is not saying these things do not put you at risk - it is that they SHOULDN`T, and furthermore, that none of them mean you DESERVED it or are partially responsible. The rapist is fully guilty, either way.
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Male 2,376
what about the women who falsly clain to be raped? happens all the drating time. never happoend to me but ive seen how vindictive some girls can be.. for stupid reasons to. like they didn`t get enought attention at the club... it happens..
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Male 1,122
Perhaps she could put it on a see-through T-Shirt so the rapist could read it whilst violating her. Once he realizes he is raping not because she is drunk, slutty, or on drugs but simply because he is horny, I`m sure he will stop.
Protect yourself.
However, the legal system should take note of this sign.
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Male 325
You do know that the word controversial means that the points could be debatable??.. I`m no genius, but I`m sure that this sign is not debatable.. Women get raped because some other sick beast decided to.
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Male 977
It`s kind of like saying..."This strawberry shake didn`t get blended because it`s delicious strawberries and ice cream. It got blended because SOMEONE WAS THIRSTY!!!!"

Kind of an irrelevant statement... both variables are typically required.
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Male 1,287
There are things everyone can do to deter criminal activity. It`s a fact. Another fact: if someone is determined to commit a crime, they will.

Can you reduce your risk statistically if you don`t get blotto, dress provacatively, or behave recklessly? yes, but it won`t eliminate all risk.

I don`t drive my luxury SUV to jobsites or leave it parked overnight in an isolated area because I don`t want it broken into. Likewise, it`s a bad idea to get tarted up, go to the bar with your friends, get smashed, and walk home alone or even worse go somewhere else with a man you met at the bar.
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Male 235
If you lead that kind of lifestyle, you`re asking for it, no matter what these "intelligent" sluts say...
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Male 22
Yoko Ono, is that you?
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Male 868
She is correct but… and I’m not condoning it but similarly if you enter the cross walk and get hit because you didn’t look both ways you’re still f’d even though the car had no right to run the red light.
Bottom line? Duh don’t put yourself at risk just because you are right.
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Female 290
Ok, so about this whole protest... It`s not that I disagree with their plight it`s just that on the list of things that are wrong with this world women not being able to dress slutty is like number 472902.
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Male 149
ENABLER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Male 39,619

what`s the controversy?
wasn`t that the whole message of Slut Walk?
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Male 724
Link: Controversial Sign At SlutWalk Toronto 2011 [Pic] [Rate Link] - What do you think about this sign, I-A-B? One one hand, she`s right. On the other, her 3 bulletpoints don`t help.
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