Wikileaks Soldier Faces New Charges, Aiding Enemy

Submitted by: Gerry1of1 5 years ago
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20038779-504083.html

Of the 22 new charges is ""aiding the enemy"" which holds the death penalty. Hope it was worth it, Pvt. Bradley Manning.
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Male 298
i fully understand prosecuting him for leaking information, but how does wikileaks count as `the enemy?` or was that referring to the unarmed Iraqis the military was apparently intending on attacking?
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Male 280
Sorry dude, but thats the game.
Having the death penalty is a disgrace though, shame on you america.
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Male 598
most whistle-blowers get praise, honors and money for their courage to defy the rules of the institution they work under for a greater cause
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Male 7,378
They lifted DADT so nobody would think anything odd about forcing prisoners to share their junk with their American captors.
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Male 37,897
@Madest

they also piled them naked on top of each other in homoerotic poses and too photos. That`s a bit differant.

And I wouldn`t classify the naked stuff at Abu Grade as "torture". Wrongheaded, sure. Stupid, yes.
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Male 10,339
"Getting closer to a dictatorship every day since Bush..."

Funny how you said AFTER Bush. Quite telling.
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Male 2,545
if Manning is convicted of all of the charges he could face life in prison, plus reduction in pay grade to the lowest enlisted pay

anyone else find this combination of charges strange?
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Male 34
AMERICA! Getting closer to a dictatorship every day since Bush...
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Male 7,378
It was called torture at Abu Gharib. Why would it be considered something else at Quantico?
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Male 37,897
Seriously Madest?... "torture" ? ha!

No, if he was humiliated by being naked,that`s God`s fault for making him look funny.

I don`t think the whole strip naked thing was a good idea, but it`s no where near "torture".

And I think we should wait to see if he`s convicted before punishing him. If he is, then it should be harsh.
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Male 7,378
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Male 521
Wow, that article had no idea what it was talking about. The documents leaked had no part in the recent uprisings in the Middle East. It was the sudden snap in Egypt that gave these folks the courage (hard to explain- Egypt has a HUGE influence on the region and when they were able to kick out their autocrat, many others believe they had a chance to change things in their country too).

Manning leaked documents that were relatively benign. No leaked government corruptions like the media would love you to think (makes the story juicier). It`s more the fact that he willing distributed classified that pissed us off so much. The enemy loves to use ambushes and any info they can use to plan those better can get a lot of people killed. He`ll just be in prison for a long, long time.
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Male 3,076
I got more respect for a person who disobey his duty to show the world the corruption, than some loyal persons who covers up and kills the "traitor".
no he doesn`t deserve the death penalty the damn ass holes who commit war crimes and kills innocent civilians deserve to be put in jail
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Male 112
As a member of the military, that doesn`t even have much access to classified material, I know how many times this ass must have been warned about keeping info under wraps. He probably deserves whatever he gets. Also, he`s probably an idiot. And, the government will probably make an example out of him.
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Male 633
It`s about time! And there should be repercussions for the people that report on a story under the guise of anonymity. As in, the President will be touring today in "any place" but don`t use my name because I`m not supposed to tell anyone, WTF. Isn`t this endangering the life of your President?
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Male 31
@Phoneybone

Matters like this aren`t as clearcut as that, he exposed some pretty disgusting military corruption. Pretty hypocritical of a country that fights for democracy, freedom and human rights in other countries but then covers up things like the murder of unarmed iraqi civilians and reporters.

The USA is on pretty shaky ground atm in the rest of the worlds view, you guys have good ideals but the true reasons behind which you try and obtain them for other countries is questionable (oil etc.)
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Male 1,744
to anyone who`s saying "oh, poor little pvt bradley", the dude gave away classified military documents, and that`s a biiig thing they say "DON`T DO" when you`re in the military. So yeah, he`s an idiot and deserves whatever he gets.
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Male 1,010
@yousucsomuch: Yeah, you know who "Afghan agents" are? Well... actually, nobody does. Yup, thats right. This argument, for one, is invalid because there are no incidents of "afghan agents" being put in danger because they have had their names released. The only Afghan agent i have heard of being "outed" by wikileaks, is Hamid Karzai`s brother, who was caught carrying a suitcase full of drug money. Karzai, the man we (USA and Norway together) support militarily is corrupt and is under suspicion for cheating the elections. He has passed laws that opress women, and he is suspected to be involved in drug trafficing.

There you have your "Afghan agents" who have been "outed" by wikileaks... (well, the ones we know of anyway, and as far as i know they are still alive and doing very, very well...)
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Male 493
@handys003 -No, he`s totally drated. 100%
Poor guy.
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Male 2,402
Salute to a man who exposes dishonest behavior no matter the country. He`s basically f*cked though.
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Male 437
"Little dramatic. Nobody died from his actions. Greed? Wikileaks doesn`t pay. They`re merely an outlet for whistleblowers. We spent a trillion dollars on a war based upon lies that cost us 4,500 lives and the frauds responsible are celebrated with libraries and lifetime healthcare and $400k a year retirement.
Bradley Manning will rot in jail for whistleblowing on very powerful people who deserved to be exposed. That`s a goddamn shame."

No. Bradley Manning will rot in jail because he broke the law. He did not "expose" anything shocking. "Wars based upon lies," as you so affectionately call them, have nothing to do with it, and the people who you believe are responsible for said "lies" are not even in power anymore.
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Female 509
Ugh...
That link explanation was pretty one sided.

Sometimes it seems this website just creates links to start flamewars.
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Male 2,988
sucks to be him
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Male 1,008
canada, the other europe
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Male 2,229
Considering he`s only a suspect, being held as if he is criminal, is not surprise. What is a surprise is that he still alive, consider the United States pro position on torture of detainees (this includes domestic detainees as well).
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Male 1,008
benedict arnold was a hero to some europeans too so i guess i shouldnt be surprised to hear you praise him, just remember for every kid in the USA here only because they are "still a minor" (lmao thats still so funny), there are 10 who are proud of this country and believe in it and will fight for it long after my generation is gone. keep your smug little view it doesnt matter anyway
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Male 1,548
@Kougaiji
The wire from Kabul is referring to a local politician that accused the US of covering up child prostitution. It is a report on the political atmosphere of the region. There is nothing in that report to suggest that it was actually happening.

As for "Collateral Murder", The Reuters Journalists were embedded with insurgents and were fired upon when one of the insurgents they were with pointed a rocket propelled grenade at the helicopter. As for the "jokes", people have to cope with war somehow.

What makes you think he couldn`t fit everything on a minimum 700MB disc? It`s all text. The full archives for both Iraq and Afghan war diaries and the state dept cables so far total about 180 MB (and that`s including all the web formatting). There are no chat logs, but having data downloaded illegally by Manning and that exact same data turning up being published by Wikileaks is more than enough evidence to prove that the information was shared.
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Male 3,081
I`m in two minds about this... I worked in mil. intel and I hate the fact that someone trusted with classified stuff would betray that trust.

However, this line in the report here

"Manning was charged in July with mishandling and leaking classified information, as well as putting national security at risk in connection with the release of information about a military attack on unarmed Iraqi men. "

hell...there`s a difference between national security and national integrity. Security wasn`t the first thing on their minds when they ordered the fact that unarmed men had been killed to be classified.... ass covering and embarrassment was.

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Male 2,332
@Avalessa: Do not worry, I suppose `you Americans` was a poor choice of words. I know not all of you are dumb, deaf and blind (and some willfully so!) But it falls to people like you, people of your generation, the up and comers to make America great again.

There are a lot of patriots in this community, but I fear some of them might have exchanged their patriotism for blind obedience and zealotry.

In any case, I have had my say. Take it as you will.
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Male 2,332
Look. As everyone here knows, the image of the US to the rest of the world has been tainted for a while now. Most people outside of the US view you as a bully that takes what he wants either by force or by political coercion. Now there`s 2 camps to this discussion: those who care, and those who don`t. The latter seems to be fine with it as long as the shoe doesn`t end up on the other foot someday..

I`d say if anything there should be more transparency in US foreign policy. Sure the truth was revealed in a dangerous way, but it shouldn`t need to be in the first place if people kept their nose clean. What bothers me is that it doesn`t bother you.

@Laynard: So what you`re saying is: The attack (which is full of suspicious facts & conveniently missing information btw) over a decade ago gives the US the right to do whatever they damn well please? As for your quote, it proves my point exactly. Do what we want you to do or get crushed under our heel. That`s not unity, th
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Male 7,378
Little dramatic. Nobody died from his actions. Greed? Wikileaks doesn`t pay. They`re merely an outlet for whistleblowers. We spent a trillion dollars on a war based upon lies that cost us 4,500 lives and the frauds responsible are celebrated with libraries and lifetime healthcare and $400k a year retirement.
Bradley Manning will rot in jail for whistleblowing on very powerful people who deserved to be exposed. That`s a goddamn shame.
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Male 182
Yikes! Hope the "TRUTH" was worth it for him.

I am a O.I.F. Army Veteran and My father was born and raised in Palestine still it would not be worth it for me.
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Male 1,008
here is a much better use of your money

www. children of fallen soldiers relief fund. org

its all one word but its too long for this post
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Male 7,378
Republicans hate this kid, Democrats have sympathy for him. He`s in a no win situation. If you`re so inclined you can contribute to the Bradley Manning Defense Fund.
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Male 25,416
Theres way to much politics around this
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Male 1,008
obviously this guy is a hero to you and im very happy you have someone to rub it to at night but it doesnt change the fact that he took an OATH and then he put his fellow soldiers at risk, and if you think he did it for free you are smoking crack
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Male 10,339
drat you kougaiji. Eat a dick.
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Male 1,008
lol, yep that proves it, "journalistic integrity"
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Male 604
yusuksomuch

what greed? he was exposed, he didnt appear to receive any money and he never asked for credit. he doesn`t even take any credit. All they have on him is a non-verifiable chat log that another hacker posted
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Male 604
yusuksomuch

They were redacted BEFORE they were released. There is not "uncensored" version on the net that anyone knows of. They used their journalistic integrity to maintain the safety, often redacting names they did not need to.
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Male 1,008
and even if no one was killed, they certainly were put at risk because of this guys greed, thats a fact.
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Male 1,008
well i "wondered" if they were dead, you say that those names were "redacted", if thats true it was after they had been fully released on the net and therefore can never really be "redacted" arguing for this guy makes you and anyone else doing it look like a ftard
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Male 604
@yusuksomuch

There is no evidence that anyone has died from the leaks. Furthermore, names were redacted. Additionally, Wikileaks asked the government multiple times to work with them to perform necessary redactions to maintain the safety of persons. The US Government refused, making it obvious human safety is not their primary concern.
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Male 604
@auburnjunky aka redneck idiot who thinks he knows anything about soldier rights:

When a person is held for trial by general court-martial the commanding officer shall, within eight days after the accused is ordered into arrest or confinement, if practicable, forward the charges, together with the investigation and allied papers, to the officer exercising general court martial jurisdiction.

UCMJ Sect 833. ART.. 33. FORWARDING OF CHARGES
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Male 1,008
so this guy is just a "pain in the ass" to the "regime" huh? i wonder what the people who were working with allied forces in afghanistan, you know, the ones who`s names were released because of this traitor, i wonder if they would classify him as a pain in the ass, or i wonder if they wouldnt say anything because they are dead now.......some of the stupid poo said here is amazing. this guy got people killed for monetary gain, hes the worst kind of murderer.
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Male 604
Volsunga, are you blind?
Yes I have read those leaks.
On Child Prostitution
http://bit.ly/gt3nU6

Full, unedited video of murder of children and reporters, followed by jokes and running over their bodies
http://bit.ly/9MRvxS

And "tracing them back to him" involves tracing anything wikileaks released and published to something Manning actually submitted. There are no chat logs, there is no evidence of him sharing the info, hell it doesnt even make sense as it wouldn`t have fit on a CD he allegedly used anyway. Not that that`s the point. The point is what`s in the leaks
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Male 25
elHadji "A good start would be to invade the right country."

The US did attack the right country it is called Afghanistan. Iraq was attacked for a different reason.
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Male 2,422
Give him three to five in Leavenworth and be done with it. He committed a crime and has to pay for it, but life in prison or death is an untenable position for the government to take politically, even if it is technically within the law to do so. I thin it would create more problems than it solves for the military in the long run by turning public opinion against it (the military recently polled as the most trusted American institution) for being perceived by the people as heavy-handed. Better to get a deal than have a trial where the defense can attack that credibility and undermine the support of the people. Just my opinion, obviously.
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Male 145
@duffytoler:
"This one guy has done more for transparent democracy in a few months than the entire Fox network has done in the whole of its miserable, hateful existence."

When attacking Fox don`t forget the racist, lying, fascist, and dangerous aspects of that evil organization.
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Male 10,339
Right Cajun, but that wasn`t the point.

Someone was talking about being held without trial, and things such as that. Soldiers don`t have the right to speedy trial.

"They are here to preserve democracy, not practice it." Geme Hackman -- Crimson Tide lol
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Male 10,845
[quote]Soldiers do not have rights like citizens do.[/quote]

Irrelevant. It would make no difference if it was a civilian doing the work.

Not entirely true either.
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Male 1,010
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.. they all used them... the generalization- laws that usually sounds something like "a threat to the reich" or "putting the safety of the state" at risk. The point is that no sane, constitutionally based law can be used to shut up those who reaveal the crimes of regimes. He is a little "pain in the ass" that has to be shut up by the perpetrators and this is the only way to do it.
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Male 5,194
Despots! This one guy has done more for transparent democracy in a few months than the entire Fox network has done in the whole of its miserable, hateful existence.
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Male 1,548
@kougaiji
That has to be the most uninformed rant on Wikileaks I`ve seen outside of 4chan. Of course they traced it back to him. All activity is passively monitored on SIPRNet. Tracing back to him is just a matter of seeing who was logged in at the time the files were downloaded at that computer. As for the leaks themselves, have you even read any of them? I`ve been reading them every few days since they started releasing and I`ve not come across anything like you say is there. Neither, apparently, has the news media which would jump on stories like those in a heartbeat. There hasn`t been anything damning at all to the US in the whole of the leaks. The only one that comes close is Clinton`s authorization to "spy" on UN delegates (which was really just gathering enough information to make sure the delegates weren`t spies themselves).
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Male 604
There was not "tracing back to him". The government has pretty much no evidence but you try being in solitary confinement for 8 months without charge or trial. Most people are no longer mentally healthy after far less time, to assume he`s mentally stable enough to stand trial let alone not just confess to anything just to get out is insane. If he is charged with "Aiding The Enemy" for revealing coverups of murders of children and innocent civilians, of child prostitution for the business elites, then who the hell is "the enemy" because the good guys aren`t doing their job.
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Male 176
"According to the Army, if Manning is convicted of all of the charges he could face life in prison, plus reduction in pay grade to the lowest enlisted pay, a dishonorable discharge and loss of all pay and allowances."

Is is a reduction or loss of pay? Do you need to do both? Seems redundant.
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Male 1,548
He needs to be made an example of. The documents he released to Wikileaks could have put a lot of people in danger. Luckily the editors there had the good sense to censor the names of informants and spies out of most of the documents.
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Male 288
Kill him. Make a point
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Male 37,897

tn11 SCORES ! ha!
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Male 1,587
Gerry- These people don`t know poo, do they? The Eiffel Tower is in Las Vegas, morons.
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Male 1,287
vvv I think he meant Tower Bridge, but whatever.
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Male 37,897
[quote] "Hey [sic] Europeans - how would you feel if a terrorist crashed a plane into your precious Eiffel Tower or London Bridge?" [/quote]

The London Bridge is in Arizona, not europe.

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Male 9
@Handsompod- A little Ad Hominom never hurt anybody. :) Sorry about the IRA though. The truth is that terrorism sucks, and regardless of where you are, it can effect you.
And I just want to mention that America was founded by people who left an oppressive government...in Europe.
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Male 605
@elHadji

Haha, nice. ZING!
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Male 1,455
"Hey Reignblazer and other Europeans - how would you feel if a terrorist crashed a plane into your precious Eiffel Tower or London Bridge?"

A good start would be to invade the right country.
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Male 10,339
HEAR HEAR RICK! It is questionable on whether or not it is the right thing though.
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Male 3,314
If you are brave enough to do the right thing despite it being illegal, you should be brave enough to face the consequences of breaking the law.
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Male 1,108
Laynard, how about you read up on the IRA. We`ve been dealing with terrorists for years. I don`t think tea and crumpets is an effective counter measure or a valid argument.
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Male 7,585
how many secret documents does a pvt 1st class really have access to? I am interested to hear also, how they traced it back to him.
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Male 10,339
"alot of Americans dont choose to be in America, alot of us are stil minors"

WOW.
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Male 1,008
"alot of Americans dont choose to be in America, alot of us are stil minors" thats funny POO right there, i know your just a kid but thats too funny
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Female 491
Shut up, Reignblazer. Just because some Americans support him doesn`t mean all of us support him. Nor does it mean we like the fact that the government hides stuff from us. However, ignorance is bliss for neurotic people like me even though I want to know what the government has to hide. Also, a lot of Americans don`t choose to be in America. A lot of us are still minors, you know.
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Male 37,897
"stepping over the line to uncover the truth is punishable by death"

Treason is, yes.

But there are legal and peacefull ways to change goverment and gov-policies without resorting to treason.

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Male 9
Hey Reignblazer and other Europeans - how would you feel if a terrorist crashed a plane into your precious Eiffel Tower or London Bridge? Have tea and crumpets, or try and protect your country? It`s not about the US government keeping secrets from US citizens, it`s the US keeping secrets from the rest of the world, and that`s what pisses you off. If you are unaware of US history, we have a saying, "Unite or die."
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Male 10,339
They deserve a medal for putting American lives in danger. Riiiiiiiight.
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Male 388
him and assange deserve a medal for what they did... not punishment...
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Male 10,339
LOL@Gerry:

To all those that disagree.

Treason is punishable by death, and Soldiers do not have rights like citizens do.

It is an all volunteer military. If they didn`t want those consequences, they wouldn`t have joined.
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Male 1,008
that goes for you too reignblazr
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Male 1,008
wow elhadji, lol , glad you arent an American, we have enough morons like you here already
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Male 37,897

History In The Making !

Auburnjunky and I agree on something !

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Male 2,332
Ah yes, government gets upset because someone had the guts to hang up all their dirty laundry.

That`s right kids, honesty is punishable by death.

What`s even more astonishing is not only do you americans apparently not care that your government keeps poo from you, you actually defend it. LOL
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Male 1,505
Give him a fair trial and wait for a conviction before you string him up. Remember Richard Jewell?
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Male 1,455
So, stepping over the line to uncover the truth is punishable by death?

Keep it classy, America.
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Male 10,339
Court Marshall/firing squad. Quick and easy.
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Male 663
what a tool
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Male 1,108
[quote]And - what`s "beyond ironic?" Either it`s ironic or it`s not. It`s like "sorta pregnant."[/quote]

Or "A bit dead"
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Male 2,579
Viva la resistance!
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Male 37,897

Steeling your gov`s secrets = Treason {in time of war in this case}

Steeling/Receiving/Distributing other gov`s secrets = Espionage. String up Julian Assange with Manning


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Male 591
"Hope it was worth it, Pvt. Bradley Manning."

Why bother with a trial? Gerry1of1 says he`s guilty.
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Male 6,694
oops. Prolly should have thought that out a little better.
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Male 9
"It`s beyond ironic that leaked U.S. State Department cables have contributed to revolution and revolt in dictatorships across the Middle East and North Africa, yet an American may be executed, or at best face life in prison, for being the primary whistleblower," said Jeff Patterson of Courage to Resist.

How does leaking our information help those people realize their own governments are crap? This guys a traitor, bottom line. It`s a volunteer army, and if he doesn`t agree with what`s happening, he shouldn`t have enlisted.

And - what`s "beyond ironic?" Either it`s ironic or it`s not. It`s like "sorta pregnant."
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Male 1,008
any last words?
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Male 953
Make an example out of him :)..... where`s my rope?
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Male 37,897
Link: Wikileaks Soldier Faces New Charges, Aiding Enemy [Rate Link] - Of the 22 new charges is ``aiding the enemy`` which holds the death penalty. Hope it was worth it, Pvt. Bradley Manning.
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