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105 Responses to The Kill Team: How US Soldiers Murdered Innocents

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    BlueChocobo Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2011 at 8:39 pm
    Link: The Kill Team: How US Soldiers Murdered Innocents - Rolling Stone got a hold of what`s really going on in Afghanistan and wrote it up. Insane. Take a few minutes and read!
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    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:29 am
    Do NOT look at the slide show of photos if you have a weak stomach. Most of those are horribly NSFW.

    I was horrified by the photos and the story.


    I won`t say anything more then that because I see this whole thread turning into a debate.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:30 am
    Nice one America >:(
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    Molehouse Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:41 am
    Dear God you have some horrible people in your country.
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    deputy Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:50 am
    I am not a fan of what is going on in afghanistan, but I hope what those guys did, does not reflect badly on the people that really are doing their duty, and sometimes more.
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    zrawmutorcs Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:55 am
    @Molehouse

    Shut up. There are terrible people EVERYWHERE. Do not remember those crazy kids that killed like 20 people just for the fun of it? Weren`t they Russian or something?

    Yea craziness is everywhere pal. Not just here.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:57 am
    Murdering and mutilation of innocent civilians, what kind of sociopaths do that?
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    botfly Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:01 am
    If you believe everything that you read, you truly are a f*cking moron.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:02 am
    Kaleotera is right. I haven`t seen photos that graphic in the mainstream media, ever really. Which is too bad- because if the news is gonna cover war, they should be covering the reality of war.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:03 am
    because rolling stone is my supreme authority on all things not music
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    Django Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:03 am
    This is NOT unique to Americans. Atrocities of war are a global problem. These men will be tried and, if found guilty, will pay for their crimes. One of the things I love about my country is we don`t try to hide our dirty laundry out of some misplaced sense of patriotism.
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    SteelAtlas Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:06 am
    Two idiots actions do NOT speak for an entire country, though everyone involved should receive a court martial and be held to be prosecuted for war crimes. This is near indescribably barbaric, differentiating the soldiers in the article very little from the very insurgents they are supposed to be fighting.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:07 am
    Interesting how Rolling stone mixes images taken by different platoons in legal engagements to try and further their accusations.

    War is hell, It`s ugly, and no army is 100% perfect when it comes to these things. Innocents die in war zones along with the guilty, it`s the nature of war.

    There are dirty cops, as well, all over this world. But we don`t smear all the police in the world for their actions. Rolling Stone tries to smear the blame far and wide in this article, they even tried to tie this to Sarah Palin in some convoluted way. This is journalism at it`s most perfidious and repulsive.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:08 am
    yea. thats not safe for the soul.
    europeans, i can find photos of stupid poo your people do, do we really want to go here?
    you cannot condemm an entire country for the acts of a few dippoos
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:08 am
    @Django- You`re absolutely right- this is not unique to Americans. But Americans have long perpetuated the myth that we`re somehow above this kind of behavior.

    This is what happens when people with clearly sociopathic tendencies are allowed to serve in the military. Although isn`t a willingness to kill strangers for vague ideas such as "freedom" and "democracy" sociopathic in and of itself?
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    Django Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:14 am
    @sbeelz. Agree. Our media is full of contradictory information and there are plenty of politicians and citizens who perpetuate the stereotype. If these guys truly did what they`re being accused of, they are the minority. Most military action has plenty of oversight to ensure Geneva Convention compliance.
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:16 am
    He apparently got 24 years.
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    test-user564 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:18 am
    this is a horrible isolated incident, but i don`t think this is "what`s really going on in Afghanistan", its just a few drated up people, just like not all Muslims are extremest.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:22 am
    Those soldiers deserve to be beheaded and mutilated.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:24 am
    Troll post with an extra helping of bulldrat
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    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:29 am
    @Molehouse: You can`t judge all of the USA for the actions of a few. There are plenty of stories that come out of Iraq and Afghanistan that chronicle various things that US soldiers did to save their fellow man, be they civilian or fellow soldier.(Even a few heroic dog`s in there too)

    I could sit here and point out some gaping flaws about any given country, but that would be kind of pointless.

    @sbeelz: To be completely honest, I wouldn`t have wanted to see those photos on TV. I had the choice to look at them or not. I kind of wish I hadn`t looked at them to be honest, but it is what it is.

    And, I am shutting up about all this now.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:37 am
    @CrakrJak
    "But we don`t smear all the police in the world for their actions."

    Yes, they do sadly. That`s what the G20 protests were about.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:37 am
    Meh, it happens.

    Definitely a far cry from the My Lai massacre.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:43 am
    @8BitHero & Molehouse

    Those who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones. I`m going to assume you`re British from the holier than thou attitude so here`s some enlightenment for you. War bring out the sickest actions possible in human beings regardless of nationality think yours is above it I can show you countless examples otherwise

    this for example.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:47 am
    Holy crap, American soldiers are just as capable of committing crimes against humanity as everyone else? I thought they were pinnacle of morality and absolute superheroes who I owe my entire life to! I thought they were incorruptible saviors of the American way! I`m so tired of people expecting perfection from soldiers anymore than you can expect police officers to be perfect. You give a couple of high school drop outs a machine gun and a free trip to a hellhole on earth and you`re SHOCKED that they massacre innocent people. Wake the hell up.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:52 am

    This is why they came up with the phrase "war is hell".

    Extended combat does things to you. It happened in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and now Afganastand and Iraq. It`s ugly but it`s part of war.

    No punishment for the soldiers is needed.

    Remember, they killed a "poor innocent farmer" growning heroin for your children. Not saying that justifies it...just sayin`
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:54 am
    "Murdering and mutilation of innocent civilians, what kind of sociopaths do that?"

    The obvious answer would be that the training encourages killing. War presents them with opportunity. When it`s over and they get sent back home, they don`t know how to switch that off either.

    But I guess that all falls under `collateral damage` >.>
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 8:57 am
    Just goes to show it doesn`t take much to turn regular people into Sociopaths. If the person happens to be in posession of guns, this happens.
    We`ll file this under `tragic, sad but true`
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:02 am
    @RdDan

    Yes it must be the guns cause people were so civilized before them...oh nope nevermind.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:07 am
    Anyone trying to justify this, in any sense - has completely lost their guidance. Calling this "fake" or "lies" is just putting your head in the sand. And don`t pull the "this endangers other troops" card. That`s undermining the free press principle which we so easily hold high - alongside with the "democracy" some of us are so eager to "export". There are Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan. People in my home community has died there as well. But i want to know every single war crime that is being committed, and i want to see all the evidence - the photos and the testimonies as well. Never undermine the truth. And never justify murder.
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    Ricky_Lahey Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:09 am
    The comments on this site seem like they`re from some Nihilist Young Republican Club or something. "Meh, it happens." "War is corrupting" drating seriously!??! What if the article said they were all black soldiers. Outside the obligatory watermelon jokes, I bet you senseless little turds would be up in arms. The obvious question is: why do I read the comments? I don`t know... I`ve been using this site for like 5 years and I always have read them. So like so many before me, I am personally boycotting this brain dead website. Enjoy your racist banter and dangerous apathy you bunch of closet Bushies.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:18 am
    Look, I`m not apathetic, I`m just not surprised at all. This is why I`m generally against war, especially with ground troops. I`m also tired of hearing how amazing and god-like our soldiers are when they are perfectly capable of doing crap like this. I feel no differently about this than I do about street gang murders. It happens as a result of the environment we out them in, and it`s not like the army does much to prevent psychopathic murderers from joining them. And hey, maybe this isn`t true and none of it happened, I don`t care. If you really think soldiers aren`t committing crimes like this regularly you`re a goddamn moron.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:33 am
    Cynic or not, people shrugging this of as `it`s war, it happens` illustrate a dangerous way of thinking, bordering on accepting this sort of behaviour as some tragic consequence that can`t be helped. It`s sick what has happened here. I`m not saying American soldiers are the devil, and yes, other countries have done this as well, but since when is the fact that other armies commit atrocities a bloody justification?
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    number696969 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:43 am
    @Gerry1of1

    That might just be the most ridiculously stupid inbred slack-jawed yokel thing I`ve seen you write on this site. Just sayin`.

    These guys got bored, got stoned, got frustrated and went out killing other human beings simply for the fun of it. And when they realised no-one was going to punish them for it, they did it some more. Don`t even try to bring your limp dick `they were heroin farmers` excuse to the table. It`s just embarrassing.
    Soldiers from so-called `civilised` countries should aspire to be better than that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:54 am

    @number696969

    Okay..."these" guys got "bored" as you say.
    Now explain all the other times this has happened.
    All the times in this and every other war?

    War is not nice, clean, and sanitzed the way John Wayne made it look.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:05 am
    The military strips you of your humanity. Case in point.
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:08 am
    @McGovern
    I don`t get your point. Or you`ve missed mine.

    I`m saying that human nature and the perception of civility are basically illusions. There`s a saying that a civilian is three square meals away from savagery.
    Well what if the same concept applies to the mental health of the modern soldier?
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    alekio2002 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:26 am
    This is what happens when you are socialized into being a warrior, being trained to kill and hopefully not feel any pain from it. When you get this hyped up you kinda go crazy... These people were really only doing their job and after a long ass time of not killing anyone they went crazy. They were taught this poo... we can really only blame the institution... what do you expect? They were not hyper glorified by video games, they were hyper glorified by the military.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:39 am
    "Everyone would say they`re savages."
    One photo shows a hand missing a finger. Another depicts a severed head being maneuvered with a stick

    Perfect hypocrisy in a single line.

    Oh, phew, Crakr find time to call.... THE JOURNALISM... repulsive...

    You overlooked a head being maneuvered by a stick but found time to criticize the journalistic integrity of reporting it?

    That is repulsive crakr, and quite frankly, I find it hard to imagine a deep enough level of hell worthy of such utter disregard for human life.

    You realise you have demanded repeated apologies from Muslim organizations for the actions of terrorists, but have yet to utter a single word of condemnation for a group of people just as bad.

    Try growing a soul, or pretending the victims are white or something ffs.
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    SteelAtlas Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Two idiots actions do NOT speak for an entire country, though everyone involved should receive a court martial and be held to be prosecuted for war crimes. This is near indescribably barbaric, differentiating the soldiers in the article very little from the very insurgents they are supposed to be fighting.
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:50 am
    Of equal concern is that the military makes murderers then releases them back into society. How about holding the entire training procedure guilty; the training that creates bad cops, bad parents, bad civilians.
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    Barrye Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:50 am
    A martyr`s death
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:51 am
    @RdDan
    What I was getting as is you said "if the person happens to be in possesion of guns this happens" when actually it`s been happening way before guns even exsisted.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Some people will just defend anything, drating pathetic excuses for human beings. The type of hypocritical mean persons that would be on here calling Afghans savages if it was the other way around. There is NO EXCUSE for this. If they did this to American civilians after they got home would you worthless mugs still be making excuses for them?
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    SteelAtlas Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:59 am
    Two idiots actions do NOT speak for an entire country, though everyone involved should receive a court martial and be held to be prosecuted for war crimes. This is near indescribably barbaric, differentiating the soldiers in the article very little from the very insurgents they are supposed to be fighting.
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:59 am
    Those soldiers and their superiors need to be face a court-martial, and pay for what they`ve done.

    Having said that, the military of the United States of America is NOT typified in this story. I hold our military in the highest regard, and will go out of my way to thank anyone I see in uniform for their service.

    To those commenting about how these guys are a typical result of military training: STFU, every one of you. You. Do. Not. Know. What. You. Are. Talking. About.

    I would venture a guess that none of you have ever stepped foot on a military base or post, nor have you been exposed to the sub-culture of the military. Some of the most respectable and upstanding people I have known all my life either are or were military. HOOWAH!!!
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    This is why I would never join the military...or `support` our troops.
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    Lolboy Male 70 & Over
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    March 30, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Uh Crakr, the only reason Palin was mentioned was because Morlock, one of the killers, was a family friend of the Palins.

    That`s not a stretch or generalization at all. It`s fact.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    what the?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    I agree to no end that this is not typical of what our military does and wants done. I have to say, however, that I can see how people would take this to mean that the US is evil. I hate what happened and it disgusted me to no end. I can only image what it would do to someone who was an Afgan National who hated the US already.
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    sick
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    What the Americans never had - was a proper invation. Foreign soldiers in the streets, tanks, bombraids the whole night, armed people coming tearing down your door at 3 am - flipping up the whole house, taking your radios n poo, hiding people in the basement, smuggling people across the borders risking your life... i grew up with these stories from my grandfolks. Seeing these stories brings back pictures of guys in brown uniforms and black shirts. Soldiers killing pesants? Fu*k off.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:46 pm
    Meh.

    The US murder rate is 1 in 20,000 per year. Even if there had been no war, and all those soldiers had stayed home, some of them would have ended up murdering people anyway.

    Of course, Rolling Stone wouldn`t write about it then. Nobody would care except those immediately involved.

    I see no reason for all the hand-wringing.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    "The type of hypocritical mean persons that would be on here calling Afghans savages if it was the other way around."

    Except the Afgan rebels murder people all the time. No article gets written about it, though.
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    parkm Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    Hiromi
    Female, 13-17, Eastern US
    1016 Posts Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:05:30 PM
    "This is why I would never join the military...or `support` our troops."

    Really? You`d never support the military at all due to an isolated group of soldiers doing wrong? Because this is certainly what the army teaches their soldiers to do; right? You`re an ass.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    "Really? You`d never support the military at all due to an isolated group of soldiers doing wrong? Because this is certainly what the army teaches their soldiers to do; right? You`re an ass."

    I`d hope the military wouldn`t take her. You don`t want people who make their judgments based on anecdotes and isolated incidents with that much responsibility in their hands. She`d be a prime candidate to go crazy and end up doing something like these guys did.
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    ishkabibbles Male 18-29
    155 posts
    March 30, 2011 at 2:28 pm
    ya this was pretty gruesome... although the only real sick one was the guys who killed the 15 year old boy. The rest of the footage seemed maybe a bit more emotional than what I would expect military to be like, but doesn`t cross any lines.
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    LionHeart-72 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    First: I`m active duty Air Force so I know what I`m talking about.
    Second: Understand that this was the actions of a few individuals who should have never been among our military ranks. In all reality, if they stayed at home they`d have likely become murders at home.

    The Army must function with a few less than desirable people within their ranks due to the fact that volunteers are becoming rarer and rarer (but be glad we exsist because otherwise your butt`s getting drafted). They have to take who they can get for the most part. Some of those same people turn the guns on their fellow soldiers, or simply joined because they wanted to kill someone, anyone. These folks have issues, the Army knows it, but has no choice but to use them. Ironically, the sollution is for good people to join and drive out these folks but stories like these deter them from doing so. And so the problem continues.
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    @McGovern
    True but i was referring to these soldiers in particular and the modern world in general and as far as i know most conflicts these days aren`t perpetrated by geezers getting tooled up in chainmail and commiting war atrocities with longswords and morningstars.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    This is ridiculous. It`s just like the army to turn a blind eye to what`s wrong with their soldiers and put everyone at risk. These people should have been taken out, investigated, and charged from day one. It`s not just the murderers they turn a blind eye to either, the army has a serious problem with sexual assaults.

    The army just sucks. I would NEVER join, unless the US was seriously threatened and there was a real war to fight.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    im reminded of full metal jacket
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    CzarElad Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    It is this kind of thing that starts to happen when a country has been at war for nearly 10 years. They should be treated the same way an Afghanistan would be for commiting murder. Bring back the death penalty.
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    Lemuria Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    "The Army must function with a few less than desirable people within their ranks due to the fact that volunteers are becoming rarer and rarer (but be glad we exsist because otherwise your butt`s getting drafted)."

    Nothing would have prevented the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan better than having a draft. You would have had millions of kids marching on Washington, and politicians actually being concerned that someone they know could be called up and killed.
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    LionHeart-72 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    @Lemuria

    I actually agree with you. Washington is often too eager to use its military because for the most part, we`re faceless individuals who volunteered to fill a need of our country. It doesn`t mean we want to be used and abused though!
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    LionHeart-72 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    @CzarElad

    We actually do have the death penalty. All Armed Forces fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice- a far more strict judicial system than the average citizen is subject to. There are a multitude of offenses that carry up to the death pentaly (and make no mistake, these guys face it now).
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    defiythelie Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    As Horrible as it is its not anything new. These are the kinds of things that happen in war, always have always will.
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    Really really long comments.
    And these are only the soldiers they got
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    I will be having nightmares tonight after looking at those pictures and videos. WHY DO I DO THAT TO MYSELF!!
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    There`s far too many people here on the defensive, proclaiming it`s an isolated incident or whatever. It doesn`t matter if it`s isolated or not, it`s sickening. It also worries me that some people here assume you HAVE to support the military of whatever nation you belong to, what`s wrong with you? since when do you have to support anything if you don`t want to?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2011 at 4:35 pm
    This, Abu Gharib and puppy throwing. Wow aren`t we great?
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    I am not really doubting what these soldiers did - but this article was horribly biased and one-sided. Half the photos seemed to be not connected to the case at hand. Saying Rolling Stone has an agenda is like saying FoxNews does - it goes without saying.
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    I only bring this up because I know personally a relative of Holmes. From all accounts (and his family has some different stories to tell about what happened and how much each soldier was involved and how much their commanding officers instructed them to do) - but from all accounts he was not this way before the military.

    Rolling Stone could have vilified everyone just fine with the facts as they were - and rightfully so. Sacrificing journalistic integrity ultimately weakens their point.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    DOn`t care in the least. All this proves is given X amount of people, Y amount will do bad things.

    Some civilians are serial killers. It doesn`t mean we are all serial killers.

    A very small amount of military units become corrupt. Doesn`t mean all the military has a policy of killing innocent people. There is no story here.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:17 pm
    "Nothing would have prevented the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan better than having a draft. You would have had millions of kids marching on Washington, and politicians actually being concerned that someone they know could be called up and killed."

    That`s not why the draft option was shot down. The draft was shot down because we don`t want a repeat of having hippy-yuppie scumbag whiners in the ranks gumming up the works. Believe me, we don`t want you. We will do more with less and work harder, each man doing the job of 2-3 to ensure it stays that way. This isn`t my opinion... it`s official policy. It just sounds abrassive because it`s a sad truth.
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    Aeladil Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:17 pm
    Absolutely, horribly, disgusting. My only consolation is that eventually these "men" (monsters) will have to face the music, in this life or the next.
    Prayers and thoughts to the innocent Afghan people caught in the middle between radical, religious extremists and those attempting to subdue them.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:21 pm
    All your humanity goes out the window during war. 8 years is way too long period.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    The real stories are:

    >>Why has the MSM refused to cover this?
    Abu Ghraib was front page news for months! The minute the news was broken, it was ON. This story has been known since December (afaik) yet the coverage = ZERO until now.
    >>Why does this article even MENTION Sarah Palin, but FAILS to mention Obama or even ONE member of his administration by name? (Gen McChrystal on page 3 doesn`t count, he`s army). Before? From day 1 it was "Bush Rumsfeld Bush" with every mention of Abu Ghraib.

    Of course RS had no problems getting Bush`s name attached to Abu Ghraib there it is, opening sentence! (Rumsfeld`s near the end too).
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    I am a trained infantry soldier who spent many years in the army. I don`t condone this atrocity, but I understand how it can happen. Certain psychological changes must be made to allow a person to behave in a manner contrary to what society has taught us to be right. The act of dehumanizing the enemy is necessary to allow a person to kill another and function without suffering a complete mental breakdown. It is difficult for most people to kill another "person", but it is easy to kill a krout, a Haji, or a sand nigg*r because they become sub human in your mind. Operating in this fashion for an extended period of time allows you to perform acts of barbarism that you would normally find repugnent. Combine this with constant fear for your life and seeing your friends die at the hand of the enemy breeds rage, fear and hatred. Lacking legitimate targets any member of the "enemy" population becomes an outlet for these emotions.
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    comuser59 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    For a rebuttal, read this.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    Cont.
    Under these circumstances a person with a borderline personality can slip over the edge and commit crimes against humanity. You see things like genocide in Rwanda, ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, or Mi Lai. Indoctrination used by the military on it`s soldiers contributed to this tragedy, but in no way is it intended, nor is it indicitive of behavior supported by the military. These "men" were the preverbial "bad apples", men who lost control and became beasts. The military takes care to prevent these tragedies, but it is an unavoidable fact of war. War is hell. Men operating in a constant state of violence and aggression will sometimes "lose it." I wish it wasn`t so...

    The photos in Rolling Stone, I`m glad they were shown, and I`m glad they made a lot of you sick. The true face of war is horrible, and the more you are exposed to it`s truth, the less likely you will be to commit to war. War should always be a last resort.

    Thi
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    March 30, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    "A very small amount of military units become corrupt. Doesn`t mean all the military has a policy of killing innocent people. There is no story here."

    Your right, the military doesn`t have an official policy to kill innocent people, but it sure does seem to have an unofficial policy of overlooking these sort of incidents when they can. They also over look a lot of sexual assault cases that get filed within the military.

    "That`s not why the draft option was shot down. The draft was shot down because we don`t want a repeat of having hippy-yuppie scumbag whiners in the ranks gumming up the works. Believe me, we don`t want you."

    Why is someone who doesn`t want to risk their life or limbs for something they don`t believe in a hippie-yuppie scumbag? Screw that I`d call them smart.

    They don`t have a draft is because people wouldn`t go. I sure as heck wouldn`t. They could lock me up first, if they could catch me! Unless there was anoth
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:26 pm
    another big war. Then I would gladly enlist, but not in the army.
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    beerbaby Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2011 at 9:44 pm
    To paraphrase 5shats; Sarah Palin and GW Bush are the "real" victims here.
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    alx-ndr Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    Those solidiers aren`t human beings... they deserve to die in a cell, alone.

    I believe every time a solider kills, he dies a little himself... until there is nothing left like the soliders in that article.
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    BiGpHiL Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:27 pm
    collateral murder there is some pretty good vids on this website it`s from wikileaks you can see some unarmed journalist being shot down and a guy in a minivan get killed to try to help an injured man they shot the van with the machine gun what they did not know is 2 young childrens were switting in the van the guy was driving them to school or daycare I don`t remember
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:43 pm
    Anyone who gets their news from Rolling Stone is completely retarded. This is nothing but a hit piece highlighting the rogue acts of a few soldiers. Check out Michael Yon`s rebuttal, he`s a journalist who actually spent months with the army unit that is accused of condoning these acts.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm
    you stay classy, America
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 2:31 am
    wow, one link and all the left wing crazies come out.
    "OMG some obscure source says our military is evil IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!"
    Yeah, cuz we`re sooooo much worse than the torture / raping / stoning / senseless-killing-of-women countries.
    You stay classy liberals and just let those other countries keep on keepin` on.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 31, 2011 at 6:40 am
    @ruthless1990

    Yes cause psychopaths and murderers only exsist in the USA.......
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    shizzamX Female 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 8:23 am
    when looking at the pictures, i found it funny that in the 10th one it says the guy did any drug he got his hands on, the last one being "trazodone" something i take to help me sleep. maybe if you take enough of it and stay awake it has some effects, but staying awake after taking it is impossible for me.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 9:40 am
    All Hail the king of Trolls, McGovern1981!
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    March 31, 2011 at 10:27 am
    McGovern1981
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 31, 2011 at 11:02 am
    AWWWW did the truth hurt. It does take a bit of time to get used to being able to smell your own s**t.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    I love how people profile an entire group based on the actions of a few. I was just reading about this in the Army Times on CQ last night. These guys are morons and deserve much worse than what came to them. Morlock only got like 24 years or something for accepting a plea deal, as opposed to life without possibility of parole. Not everyone in the military is like this, but it`s not impossible for idiots to get in... Obviously.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    Kalimata, there is some truth to your statements.. But really to undergo that kind of mental degradation I would think you would need more than Iraq or Afghanistan.. Its not as bad as its cracked up to be, and people that are traumatized by what they saw or did should have thought about that before they joined. Now spending time as a POW... I imagine that could do some damage.
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    SuperCfor Male 30-39
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    March 31, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    Unless you have served in the military (AND IN COMBAT)you really dont have any say on what combat can do to someones psychological outlook on people and life. For fawck tard that said they knew what they were getting into. You have oboviously never served. You can in no way be mentally ready for combat. It is horror and it is fawcking evil. And after a bit it will errode anyones mentality. I really would like to slap ya son. These men should have been summarily shot to set an example. There are many good people that serve our country with pure intentions to help. All of you who say that everyone who serves is evil can honeslty suck my left nut.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    "You have oboviously never served."

    I would have guessed that my statement made it pretty obvious that I speak from experience, you dolt.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2011 at 5:15 pm
    But then again I guess a lot of civilians read Army Times and pull CQ shifts, right? For the hell of it?
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    SuperCfor Male 30-39
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    March 31, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    I read Army times at my barber shop. Pulling CQ...Stfu private.
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    66stang Male 18-29
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    April 1, 2011 at 2:21 am
    They should face trial and punishment in afgahnistan.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    April 1, 2011 at 2:51 am
    Private, hah. I`m just going to let you ride your high horse because there is no point in arguing with an idiot over the computer. Besides, you`re probably (were) a ten year E4 taking out everything about your pooty career on people over the internet.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    April 1, 2011 at 7:30 am
    some people don`t belong in the military, nor do they in society.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    April 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm
    @kegomatix
    Now I`m no trained psychiatrist, but I have been a military instructor. I`ll take at face value that you serve/served. If you remember Boot, one of the things that most recruits learn is that A: They had no bloody idea what they were getting into, and B: They did not have a true understanding of their own physical and mental limits.
    I believe that the Mind is a complex and unpredictable thing. Tramatic events affect people in many different ways. I used the term "Borderline Personality" in my posts because these men were not normal going into the army. Most good leaders will identify these people in some way, and can take actions before all hell breaks loose. But not always.
    These men are in NO WAY an accurate reflection of the Military, nor of the U.S. They are not soldiers, they lack honor and decency.

    SuperCfor`s post has merit in it`s points, I perhaps wouldn`t have been so aggressive in the delivery.
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    PopCap Male 30-39
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    April 3, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    Wow. You can tell that municipal police officers are pulled from the military pool. The tactics are very similar: Justify our own value using false acts of enforcement. If you took the media and the police away from society, you would probably find a hell of a stash of decent people hidden under all that corruption.
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