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93 Responses to Polar Ice Caps Melting Faster Than Expected

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    Link: Polar Ice Caps Melting Faster Than Expected - New satellite data shows sea levels may rise faster than previously anticipated. So is global warming real or fake?
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 6:56 am
    if we are caught in the suns gravitational pull (which we are) wouldnt that mean we are ever so slowly getting closer to the sun anyway? isnt that a logical excuse for global warming if nothing else?
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:00 am
    @collegebound

    Not necessarily, everything in space is pulling stuff towards itself.
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    TheJigsaw Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:12 am
    fudgeing hell are people still questioning it? Or is it just ignorant America?

    Real or fake? What a stupid question
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:19 am
    TL;DR
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:25 am
    Meh, nothing I can do about it
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:44 am
    We`re doomed.
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    AngryYouth Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:45 am
    @TheJigsaw

    Ignorant America? That`s not a closed minded or ignorant statement at all. There`s nothing wrong with generalizing and labeling a whole country of people. (sarcasm)

    If you were so smart, you would also realize that the shifting of the poles on Earth is also a factor.
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    AngryYouth Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:52 am
    @collegebound

    That is not a significant enough factor to cause dramatic temperature changes on the Earth.
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    MooseMaster Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:57 am
    @AngryYouth
    there is no real evidence to back up that the shifting of the poles causes global warming on the scale we`re seeing today.
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    MooseMaster Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:00 am
    @collegebound
    we`re actually moving away from the sun because it loses mass over time.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:03 am
    The earth has been doing this for bazillions of years.
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    myusernamee Male 13-17
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
    to stop sea levels rising, we should just dig huge holes in the ground so the water goes in them.


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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:20 am
    CLIMATE CHANGE is a well documented and well researched phenomenon, the only people who will argue it is a sham are those who have a vested interest in actions harming our planet or thoses too poorly educated to understand.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:24 am
    Whelp, say goodbye to the thermohaeline conveyor. Europe, no warm weather for you. So sowwy.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:25 am
    @TheJigsaw

    Well, we did a majority of the research on it to prove it... I believe this is where I say suck one.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:35 am
    @collegebound

    Nope! Our distance to the sun has little effect on climate and weather. Our distance from the sun changes by 4 MILLION miles between aphelion and perihelion every year. It`s not the distance from the sun that makes temperature, its the angle at which it hits and the type of stuff we have in the atmosphere to absorb the heat. To get even more scientific, this shizznit is bad because as the ice caps and glaciers melt, the ice releases methane and CO2 into the atmosphere to trap more heat, raising global temperatures (Global, not your damn doorstep) causing icecaps to melt even faster. The fact that they`re melting exposes more ground to absorb sunlight. Ice and snow reflects 75%-95% of light while normal ground reflects only 30%. That just means faster heating. Yay for majoring in meteorology :D
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    jimbro Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:55 am
    regardless of what you believe about global warming consider this: its the air we breathe and the water we drink. it really is in our own best interests NOT to pollute it.
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    strangersdk Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 9:01 am
    Nice timing with this post. I literally just finished a research paper on the causes of global climate change. There is no argument in the scientific community on whether or not the global climate IS warming. There is some minor dissent on whether humans are to blame, but the sheer number of studies done in support of that theory far outweigh protests of the likes of Glenn Beck.
    If you think global warming isn`t happening, you should be sterilized.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Global climate change is real...and has been for about the last 4.5 billion years. It will only stop when entropy reaches is maximum.

    Anthropogenic Global Warming, on the other hand, is a debatable matter. While it is supported by the majority (but not nearly all) of the scientific studies, is marred by the fact that it has become obvious that alot of those studies are biased, misleading, fudged and/or proven to be inaccurate.

    You have a study that will show two possible outcomes. 1) Global climate change is a naturally occurring phenomena and nothing man does can alter that. or 2) Global climate change is caused by man and can be changed if you give us enough money for research.

    Which of those two outcomes will get the researchers more money?

    I`ll personally worry about the ice-caps melting when I start seeing rock-bottom prices on coastal property and condos.
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    Riftsong Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:23 am
    Call it climate change, not global warming. It`s more accurate and it doesn`t let the stupids make "lol it`ll be warmer so that`s good no winter lol" jokes.
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    Padiddle Female 13-17
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:31 am
    "FAKE AND GAY."

    Just kidding.

    Global warming is a big drating problem. People need to get their heads out of their asses. :|
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:38 am
    That`s odd, the Polar Caps had a great year a couple of years ago, yet no one ran around saying "well that DIS-proves AGW" eh? Insted the "scientists" yapped only about the Antartic caps. If you selectively INGORE inconvenient facts, well that`s HOW AGW rolls!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Riftsong-"Call it climate change, not global warming. It`s more accurate..."

    They changed `Global Warming` to `Climate Change` warming trends stopped going up in 1998. It`s called a `bait and switch`.

    If they continued to call it `Global Warming`, they would have been rediculed. They changed it to `Climate Change` so they could continue to strike fear into the sheeple and continue in their effort to `share the poverty`.

    They hope that the sheeple will never realize that a `Static climate` never existed.

    Global Warming caused `more hurricanes`, until more hurricanes did not show up, so now it doesn`t cause more hurricans.

    Simply put:
    Warmer than normal=Climate change.
    Colder than normal=Climate change.
    Normal==Climate change.
    More hurricanes/ tornados/ rain/ drought=Climate change.
    Less hurricanes/ tornados/ rain/ drought=Climate change.
    Normal hurricanes/ tornados/ rain/ drought=Climate change.
    Male
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:42 am
    @MeGrendel

    On the contrary, if you`ve read from proper sources, you would find that climate change is a natural cycle that man accelerates but, does not cause. I would have to disagree with you, the studies are very accurate, people only say that they are "fudged" because they refuse to acknowledge what it really happening.


    @Riftsong

    Climate change can mean change in either direction, making it more ACCURATE to say global warming. You know, because the climate over the globe is... warming. Those jokes are often due to people being dumb and confusing day-to-day weather with a 30 year climatological trend.
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    kj36 Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:47 am
    I saw the title and I was just like, awww shiiiit
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:53 am
    "They changed `Global Warming` to `Climate Change` warming trends stopped going up in 1998. It`s called a `bait and switch`."

    False

    Also sir, from a number of your examples, it seems that you do not understand the difference between weather and climate. Please do your research and stop pulling things out of your ayss.

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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:14 am
    It`s also the end of the ice age, you know... the cycle the world goes through. We`ll get it back eventually and be wiped out by it, don`t worry.
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:24 am
    This terrifies me. Mostly because I have no idea what it really MEANS in relation to the survival to the human species.
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:24 am
    *of the human species, my bad >.>
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:33 am
    When is everyone going to realize that there is nothing man can do to change the climate at all, much less enough to affect the entire globe? All this global warming bullcrap is just that. Crap. I get very tired of people believing every scary thing they hear and then jump on the "we gotta change the way we do things" bandwagon without getting more information.

    You know, just one volcano explosion does more damage to the ozone layer than all the supposed causes of global warming combined. And yet the ozone layer "miraculously" heals itself after each blast. This fact has been known for years but doesn`t receive the same attention because it can`t scare you enough to act hastily. And don`t kid yourself. That`s exactly what happened 20 years ago when the hole in the ozone layer was found.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:38 am
    This is a troll post.

    I hope I-A-B gets better mods soon.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:38 am
    Can always count on 5Cats to shoot spit wads at the mountain of data proving climate change. Saddest part is that he doesn`t even get a check from the oil companies like his favorite politicians. He would rather pretend that his conservative sources are providing him enough of an education to poke holes in something he profoundly misunderstands. If climate change progresses to the point where 5Cats starts to feel guilty for his part in holding us back from solving it, then it will have already cost us all very dearly.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    @gary8162

    The ozone layer is damaged by CFC`s (which are now banned hence the ozone layer healing) not global warming. Get your facts straight.
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    Corvid Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Yeah the BBC is the right place to go for this kind of information, NOT!
    Ever wonder why it`s nickname is the British Biased Corporation? It`s run by left-wing Guardian readers with a specific agenda.
    British Bullsh*t Corporation, I call it.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    I`m too lazy to do it, but I think I could find a positive correlation between those who call truthers conspiracy nuts and tinfoil hats and those who belive climate change is just a conspiracy by the IPCC.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    @ aquaman1227

    That`s my point. There are more CFC`s in one volcano blast than in all of the freon ever produced. And it was the hole in the ozone layer that supposedly caused global warming in the first place. The hole that was found, a naturally occuring phenomenon by the way, was said to have been caused by people releasing freon into the air. And although CFC`s do cause ozone damage, there has never been enough freon produced to damage the ozone layer.
    Get YOUR facts straight.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    Once again, I have to agree with the 97% of experts who say that anthropogenic climate change is real.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    fiizok: That 97% number was derived by the pollsters choosing whom they wanted to be polled.

    That`s akin to me most all republicans about Obama`s job approval rating, which I would never do.

    Take a deeper look at the poll and you`ll see that less than 5000 scientists were asked to participate in it.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    gary8162 has no clue what a chlorofluorocarbon is, this is just something he heard from Rush Limbaugh. It was too much trouble for Rush to keep all them different carbon thingies straight in his teeny brain, so he just kinda lumped `em all together to save space.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    aquaman1227-"Please do your research and stop pulling things out of your ayss."

    Research: 2001 IPCC report: "Milder winters will decrease heavy snowstorms".
    And then, after THAT didn`t happen:
    Research: 2011 Union of Concerned Scientists: "If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events."
    But...I thought `the science was settled`!!!

    After an active hurricane season:
    Research: 2005 MIT Study: "Hurricanes have grown fiercer, spurred by global warming, and even tougher storm are on the way."
    And after years of mild seasons :
    Research: 2008 US Gov`t Study: "Global warming could reduce hurricanes. "

    Global Warming Scientists: Always able to predict that past.

    And of the 97% cited below: Only 1,372 were polled. That`s like polling nothing but Democrats about the job Obama`s doing and stating that`s how ALL Americans feel (wait, they do that alread
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    samenamegame Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    but what if global warming isn`t real and we make the world a better place for nothing?
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    fake
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    Trypno Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    Why is nobody talking about this? Which clearly shows a correlation between solar activity and the changing climates of other planets in our solar system.
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    There is no debate. You can`t debate physics. We`re f^cklng up our planet. It will be fine in the end - we won`t however.

    I`m a geologist, I study these things for a living, anyone want to debate that?
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    For those of you who do not realize the severity of the melting ice caps - it`s not just about rising sea levels! What do you think keeps the oceans circulating? The ice caps ofcoarse! Without circulation we will have what is called global stagnation. The ocean will become one giant deadzone, and nearly everything will die.

    Yes, there are cycles the earth goes through, and there was once a time where the earth went through something as I just described - and it was a s4!t time for everything. This process usually takes hundreds of thousands of years, however we are exponentially accelerating it, and we do not know all the consequences of such actions. Please, stop putting your heads in the sand and do your part to slow the human input down>>>

    -Don`t have over 9,000!!! kids... It`s repulsively selfish...
    -Recycle: we don`t have an unlimited supply of oil, so stop making us use it for your stupid plastic containers, etc...
    -Waste not, want not..
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    @missPwnage
    Yes we help contribute to the planets demise. However it is not all our fault. As a geologist you should know that your fellow peers found evidence in the Arctic soil samples of four different periods of global warming. Long before Homo Sapiens arrived. This occurrence now would happen whether we were here or not. The glaciers have been receding for millenniums already. long before man crossed the bearing strait.

    Then after about another what say 20k years after the Arctic thaws out it will then begin to freeze the world in another ice age. We cannot make any change to stop the process. Too many geological and outer space influences are the main culprit.

    Changing to what environmentalists want is not going to stop it. Getting rid of the human population is not going to stop it. Fact it`s going to continue like a juggernaut. It seems horrible because we are seeing the tail end of all the ice melting. We will adapt or die. The planet goes on until the S
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    continued....until the Sun expands and burns the planet to a cinder. Oh the irony of global warming then.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    @missPWNAGe

    BTW your assertion on what drive the ocean currents is not correct
    What drives ocean circulation? Seawater flows along the horizontal plane and in the vertical. Typical speeds of the horizontal flow or currents are 0.01-1.0 m/s; vertical speeds within the stratified ocean are much smaller, closer to 0.001 m/s. Two forces produce the non-tidal ocean currents: the wind exerting a stress on the sea surface and by buoyancy (heat and freshwater) fluxes between the ocean and atmosphere that alter the density of the surface water. The former induces what we call the wind driven ocean circulation, the latter the thermohaline circulation. The wind driven circulation is by far the more energetic but for the most part resides in the upper kilometer.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    continued....
    The sluggish thermohaline circulation reaches in some regions to the sea floor, and is associated with ocean overturning linked the formation and spreading of the major water masses of the global ocean, such as North Atlantic Deep Water and Antarctic Bottom Water.





    http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/index.html
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    @MeGrendel

    No poo milder winters will decrease heavy snowstorms! Following the 2011 article, yes, the fact that temperatures globally warming warrants displacement of water in larger quantities, meaning in winter, heavier snowstorms. Continuing on to the second group of quotes. Yes, they were retarded to say that, I agree in the fact that people are anxious to blame things on global warming. Just brainstorming here, they may have overlooked the fact that climate change has an influence on the location of the ITCZ, which could have an indirect effect on the creation of hurricanes. If water temperatures increase, it would make sense that intensity also increases but, they need to be spurred and directed. This last season there was a hurricane that made it all the way to Greenland, STILL classified as a hurricane, thats never happened in recorded meteorological history, so, pretty substantial (it was Cat 4 or 5 for a while).

    And yes, we`re very good at exploiting the art
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    .. of hindsight
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    Conclusion? The world is ending because anyone who knows better is busy arguing online about it.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    @gary8162

    "There are more CFC`s in one volcano blast than in all of the freon ever produced...And although CFC`s do cause ozone damage, there has never been enough freon produced to damage the ozone layer. "

    Your statement has holes... so now, volcanoes caused the hole in the ozone layer with CFC`s and freon, while there has never been enough freon released to damage the ozone layer?

    Who even said that global warming caused the hole to begin with?...

    I stand by my statement, get your facts straight.
    BTW, duffytoler, your a good man.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    "That 97% number was derived by the pollsters choosing whom they wanted to be polled."

    Sorry, CrakrJak, I`m not interested in idiotic crap you simply make up to suit your point of view. If you followed the link to the source, which you obviously didn`t do, you would have discovered that there was no poll conducted. You have no idea...none...where the 97% figure comes from, so you simply invented a lie.

    Knowing your history here, I`m not really surprised.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    2012, its all about 2012 people I tell youuuu
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:18 pm
    Probably time to start figuring out a way to get off the planet for a while?
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    Spider_sol is right
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    we are all drated over, we just drated up our enviorment and we`re trying to fix it before its to late with hybrid cars. but drat humans are just a greedy species and we`re finally getting whats coming to us
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    March 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm
    @MeGrendel
    global warming does infact cause warming, but it is drating up the weather too. i live in chicago and 4 days after the snow storm it was 44 degrees, can you honestly say thats not global warming drating poo up?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    ledzeppeloyd-" live in chicago and 4 days after the snow storm it was 44 degrees, can you honestly say thats not global warming"

    Yes, because that was just Chicago warming is not all that unusual and occurs a lot of other areas (and aren`t the Global Alarmist always saying `weather ain`t climate` when the climate doesn`t meet their predictions?).

    I live in an area that frequently will be below freezing one day and 50-60 the next, or vice versa. It`s always been like that.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    @flizok
    "Sorry, CrakrJak, I`m not interested in idiotic crap you simply make up to suit your point of view."


    That survey was worthless because the questions were so vague that even climate skeptics would have to answer yes.

    "1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures
    have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?"

    Yep, pretty much every climate skeptic believes temperatures have been rising. That`s never been the point.

    "2. Do you think human activity is a significant
    contributing factor in changing
    mean global temperatures?"

    Of course they don`t define the word significant. For most scientists, significant probably means "statistically significant", which means that it`s enough that you can`t toss out data as an outlier. Hell, if humans only contributed 10%, with natural cycles contributing the other 90%, that would probab
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 8:29 pm
    (continued from below)

    Plus, in all, that 97% comes from a total of 79 responders. Not 10,000, not 1,000, not even 500. That`s just not a lot of scientists.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 9:50 pm
    fiizok: So your going to mince words and say a survey is not a poll, then use that spurious assertion to call me a liar ?

    You have some real gall there bud.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:34 pm
    Depressing in the extreme. I`ve been luckier than most in that I`ve lived on a number of different continents, and visited more countries than most have the chance to, and I’m grateful for that.

    And yet, the only people I`ve ever met who believe that humanity is making no contribution whatsoever to our planet`s climate are exclusively white, male, right-wing, middle-aged middle-class Conservative Americans. Never understood that, always baffled me. Of course, many of them haven’t left their own county never mind their own state, what need for a passport? Damn, that would be a whole different country! Imagine that!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:34 pm
    I`ve drank wine with Moroccans who showed me where they recycle their garbage. I`ve hitched a ride to work on the back of a bicycle in Tehran where people are tired of the smog and the traffic. Heck, I was in an Inuit community in Baffin Island a month ago where the locals hadn`t been able to have a run on their skidoos because there wasn’t enough snow. In February.

    Look, just an observation. The people who decry man-made climate change are almost exclusively right-wing American conservatives, like I said before. But this is important: they`re almost exclusively (in my experience) scientifically f*cking illiterate. Example in case, Gary8162 schooled us all in how volcanoes emit CFCs. Not just emit chlorofluorocarbons, but do so with such propensity that every single volcanic eruption results in more CFCs than humanity has ever made. Volcanoes don`t produce CFCs. He’s full of seven different shades of sh*t.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:35 pm
    The point is, he`s scientifically illiterate and, as is just about everyone that I`ve ever met that believe that 7 billion humans don’t have an effect on the global climate. And yes, I include the dissenters here in this thread – you know who you are, and you’re part of the f*cking problem right now.

    And yet these same people that callously cry that the Scientific Method is flawed, that they`re all just grubbing for research grants, are the very same people that will willingly take their flu vaccine, and will clap like monkeys when man steps foot on the moon, all while typing keystrokes through your plastic keyboard to be transmitted at the speed of light via fibre-optic cables across the Atlantic Ocean to be decoded on my end and appear as words on my Liquid Crystal Display screen so that I can in turn respond to you, via similar means, on a website called I-am-bored.com.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    Please leave Science to the Scientists. We’ve given you the world that you live in, and these are golden years. Science ain’t the Bible, you don’t get to pick and choose. We have high-speed internet, and we have man-made climate change. You don’t get to pick one and bury your head in the sand on the other. It goes hand in hand. Suck it up, or go back to the f*cking Stone Age.

    Man up, or f*ck up. Your choice. Bitch.

    Davymid
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    March 10, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    @davymid

    Now you know what it`s like when someone questions your expetise on the Laryngeal nerve.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2011 at 11:51 pm



    The evidence points strongly towards us causing global warming at a rate never seen before.

    Population control would help, if its not too late already.
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    jimbro Male 40-49
    184 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 12:09 am
    well...i said it before, but since everyone seems to have ignored it so they could have an ideological argument, i will say it again.

    regardless of what you believe about global warming consider this: its the air we breathe and the water we drink...it really is in our own best interests NOT to pollute it.

    also: who profits from conserving energy? no one.

    who profits from wasting energy? lots of people. consider THAT when you get your information as well.
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
    185 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 1:10 am
    "is global warming real or fake?" seriously? When did IAB get bought out by Newscorp? FYI, Newscorp is lobbying the Canadian legislature to overturn their "truth in news" laws, because they can`t air their programs there, due to the lack of facts in Fox programming.
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    Undamaged Male 18-29
    34 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 2:03 am
    @davymid

    +1
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 11, 2011 at 5:04 am
    Davy: I don`t know about volcanoes emitting CFCs, but ones like Mt. Pinitubo and Mt. Everest, have erupted spewing out more pollution, greenhouse gasses, and other deadly compounds (like hydrogen sulfide) in a few months than mankind has for over 100 years.

    Sorry Davy, But with all your scientific belief, You should no better than to get caught up in `doom and gloom` theories.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 5:09 am
    pyrrhios: Those are not "truth in news" laws there bud, Canada owns all the news stations there. They have a public monopoly. They also own all of the film industry in Canada as well. It has nothing to do with `truth` it has to do with those public monopolies not wanting to have to compete, because they would loose.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 11, 2011 at 5:13 am
    MattPrince: If you think so, Then what caused those previous elevations in the chart you shown ? Did the dinosaurs drive cars 400,000 years ago ?

    The graph you just shown shows that CO2 and Warming/Cooling is cyclical and we are already trending toward the cooling side now.
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    jimbro Male 40-49
    184 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 5:21 am
    Mt. Everest is not a volcano.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    March 11, 2011 at 5:37 am
    @ davymid & aquaman1227

    First of all, I`m going to do something here that I (nor anyone else for that matter) have never done. I`m going to admit I was wrong. After doing some checking around, I`ve found out that CFC;s are NOT naturally occuring. Thus making my previous posts quite erroneous.

    For this, I apologize. This fact was something I had learned many years ago and never thought to question it. However, in my defense, I have found articles on the internet,which I now believe to be incorrect,that backed up my original position.

    Davymid,you wanted a link? Well I don`t know how to do that so I`ll do this instead. Go to "Brokencountry.com" and search for this title "Iceland Volcano puts more CFC’s into atmosphere in one day than humans do in 100 years".

    By the way,this is just one of several articles that can be found on the web.

    So,what have I learned? Don`t believe everthing I read and check things out befo
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
    939 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 5:39 am
    So,what have I learned? Don`t believe everthing I read and check things out before spouting off like an ass.

    Sorry everyone

    P.S. I can`t stand Rush Limbaugh.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    March 11, 2011 at 5:42 am
    @Crackerjack. The chart shows that the co2 has cycled before, but NEVER to the extent its rising now. Look at the current reading at 382ppm, it`s never gone above 300 before in the last 600,000 years.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    March 11, 2011 at 5:46 am
    @gary welcome to the "i`ll just check what I said even though I firmly believe it - oh f*ck" club.
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
    298 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 5:47 am
    @Handys003

    LOLOLOL

    I love how you don`t read my post then repeat some of the points I already brought up, saying I didn`t take them into account. Furthermore, you`re telling me!!!(the SCIENTIST who studies this for a living!!!) I`m wrong and you!!!(who I imagine has all his research from the INTERWEBS) are right! This is why we`re are all doomed - because DUMB@$$ people who have NO credibility in the field think they know more than the geologists, geophysists, geochemists... and everyone else who has a valuble input. Let me do MY JOB, and I`ll let you do yours.
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
    298 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 6:05 am
    And one more thing!

    I was explaining SOME of the direct effects of the ice caps melting... NOT explaining why the ocean circulates... READ MAN REAAAD!!!

    I AM AN EARTH SCIENTIST!!! I AM TELLING YOU ALL THERE IS GREAT REASON TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS... I am the expert, you, who listens to Bill O`Reilly, ARE NOT!!! ^^ This is my job people, I know what I`m talking about...
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 7:13 am
    Crackerjack wheeled out that old climateseptic argument that volcanoes produce more co2 than all of human history. Shame on you - this has been thoroughly debunked.

    US Geological Survey (USGS) states: "Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes." Thats per year FFS.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
    437 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 7:20 am
    "people who have NO credibility in the field think they know more than the geologists, geophysists, geochemists... I AM AN EARTH SCIENTIST!!! I AM TELLING YOU ALL THERE IS GREAT REASON TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS... I am the expert, you, who listens to Bill O`Reilly, ARE NOT!!! ^^ This is my job people, I know what I`m talking about..."

    Wait, what are you, a "geophysist"? Unless you have published any studies on the effects of global warming recently, your word that you are a scientist is not sufficient to back up your claims.
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    RETARDEDBEAR Male 18-29
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    March 11, 2011 at 7:36 am
    By the way, trees breathe CO2 and put out oxygen. If anything would dramatically affect the ratio of CO2 to other gases in the air, you`d think it would be cutting down huge swathes of trees. And yet, the focus is almost always on the oil industry, while the timber industry actually controls forestation policy. It couldn`t have anything to do with politics, could it?
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
    298 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 11:46 am
    @retardedbear

    ...yes, i am a geologist... i work in the field and in the lab. i am a scientist.
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
    298 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 11:48 am
    @retardedbear

    and i never made any claims! please read through what you`re commenting on before you try and sound like a dick.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    March 11, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    @missPWNAGE
    Sorry I didn`t get back to you sooner. I was with some local Oceanographers since 9:30 PM last night. While we were waiting for the Tsunami to reach shore. I mentioned your assertion on polar ice caps melting and dictating the currents. They influence the temperature of the currents. However the mention of driving the direction is not correct by your assertion earlier. I suggest you consult Marine Scientists first. You were even given a link explain such how currents are formed. Even though I am a Vet by skill and not a true expert as a geophysicists I am familiar from my days as a pro surfer on oceanography. The fact some of my fellow companions do work for the Pacific Tsunami Warning center and Civil defense gives me adequate information to counter your assertion.

    Second you claimed the following:
    "I`m a geologist, I study these things for a living, anyone want to debate that?"
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    March 12, 2011 at 2:30 am
    continued.... Therefore are you claiming a specialty of the science? Rather as you claim:

    "I AM AN EARTH SCIENTIST!!!"

    In a sense a jack of all geoscience, but master of no specialty such as a geologist,or a vulcanologist, or oceanographer. This is liken to a General Practitioner in the medical field but not an expert to tell what a specific area such as Internal medicine or OB/GYN.

    Basically that would be like telling an expert like an oceanographer how to interpret the data from a tsunami buoy. BTW of which they were incorrect again today thank heavens. I gave you the link from professors of PH D`s from Columbia University. Your own peers in Earth Science and backed up and confirmed by oceanographers from NOAA and the Pacific Tsunami Center. I would take their knowledge over yours. Basically quit calling people dumb ass. It shows lack of skills in presentation of the legitimacy of your argument and your expertise.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    March 13, 2011 at 7:54 am
    FAKE
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 14, 2011 at 1:07 am
    FAKE
    Says the one who`s profile statement is "God, Guns and Gold". Science is a bitch sometimes, ain`t it?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    March 14, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    meh

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