Liberal Blogger: Who`s to blame for the war?

Submitted by: 5cats 5 years ago
http://www.thenation.com/blog/159346/obamas-women-pushed-war-against-libya

Not Obama! It"s WOMEN and JEWS! Obama just couldn"t stop them! So the spinning begins...
There are 46 comments:
Male 674
"I`m referring to the war and subsequent occupation actually."

Dot your I`s and cross your T`s! That NOTE of yours should have been added in subtext.
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Male 10,845
[quote]That seems odd as WWII is clocked in the history books as a six year event.[/quote]

I`m referring to the war and subsequent occupation actually.
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Male 253
Baalthazaq,
That is a very nice set of statistics you bring to the discussion. I don`t know where they came from, but I do not even dispute the latter ones. However, when I left in March 2004 nobody wanted us to leave. Correction Saddam`s suppporters and Al Qaida wanted us to leave. The other 70% of the population were happy we came and just wanted clean drinking water, electricity more than 2 hours a day, security, and jobs.
I am quite sure no Kurds took part in any of those surveys, though, and not many Shia, at least not until after Muqtada got going.
Again, my point is really that, though I believe it is a great thing to support and even fight for people who are being oppressed, here at the house, we don`t really know what`s going on with "the people", i.e. which people, how many, how bad is it for them, etc. especially if we only hear from a few with their own views.

BTW, I have an agal, too. I don`t know how to spell agal, but I have one.
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Male 674
"So three or four" "seem to believe" "there is a chance of" "such as"

That is taken from the first paragraph alone! I could not read further. Pure rubbish! How can the world take you serious if you do not know how to read and write?
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Male 674
"During WWII: it took the west (starting with Europe) ten years to get Germany under control."

That seems odd as WWII is clocked in the history books as a six year event.
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Male 10,845
@davymid

Ah gotcha. You can also blame him for trashing their infrastructure as well.
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Male 12,138
@ Cajun: He`s referring to Bush Sr, and the first Gulf War.
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Male 10,845
@osirasecond

I suppose not.
On the other hand, are sure about that king? Because last I checked he was a king before America even existed.
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Male 3,057
@ Cajun: If King George the First had let us continue on to Baghdad, we wouldn`t be in the mess we are now. Last time around, the Iraqi people WANTED us to help them... and we hung them out to dry... Saddam subsequently began to massacre the Kurds in the North.

We hung the Iraqi people out to dry the first time. Of course they didn`t trust us for sh*t the second time around.

If you were Iraqi and knew our previous track record in your country, would YOU trust us?
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Male 10,845
I mean shouldn`t the second time around been easier?
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Male 10,845
Here`s another comparison:

During WWII: it took the west (starting with Europe) ten years to get Germany under control. They were an empire with a popular leader and an absolute threat to the world.

Now fast forward to the second Gulf War. Iraq was far from a threat (nope no massive WMD program sorry Bush-Kool-Aid drinkers), with a VERY UNPOPULAR leader, and very far from being an empire. It takes the United States with some backing from Europe almost 10 years to get Iraq under control.
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Male 427
@Baalthazaq
And how many people did you speak with? 2000? 3000? and from all over the country or just your neighbours?
I love it how statistics just fall from the sky into people`s heads.
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Male 3,057
@ Baalthazaq: As an American who has lived (Iran), worked (UAE), and unfortunately fought in SW Asia, thank you for as always, weighing in with reason, and FACTS. People on this little water-covered rock need to start showing a little more common sense.

Our American media leaves much to be desired. With all of the upheaval, and winds of revolution blowing across the world, our media decides to concentrate on Lindsay Lohan, and Charlie Sheen?

It took a disaster with planet-wide implications to break away from that?

Disgusting.

For the record, you`re right on the money about Bahrain. The Saudis? (You won`t point the finger, but I will) In Bahrain shooting civilians? Where is the world outrage? We`re certainly not hearing it here.

BTW, the new profile pic suits you. I approve.
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Male 4,547
Lardcarcass:
My opinion isn`t exactly garnered from major American news sources. You might be able to tell from my profile pic. It`s from speaking to Iraqis.

However, skipping anecdotes and going on the facts here:
2004: 92% of Iraqis see Americans as Occupiers.
2005: 82% Strongly opposed to presence of troops. <1% think that US-UK is helping to improve security.
2006: 95% believe the security situation has deteriorated since the arrival of US forces.
2007: 82% express lack of confidence in Coalition forces. 69% thinking the US occupation has exacerbated the situation.
Etc.


Overall 25% view Bush Favourably. 55% Unfavourably.
Saddam is 10% Favourable to 80% unfavourable.

The numbers are in already. It looks like you`re quite wrong.
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Male 3,076
TL;DR
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Male 253
...listening to what others report.
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Male 253
Cajun247,
If I could borrow part of your quote for a moment, "...invade a country (Iraq) for it`s people (who didn`t want it),..." is a falacy believed by those willing to accept the rubbish fed to us by the media, who, no matter how professional they may profess or even truly attempt to be, always write a story with an agenda.
My opinion is based on first hand experience rolling around the Sunni Triangle talking to people in the first year we were there. What the vast majority told me was "Bush good. Bush good. Saddam shoes."
(In Iraq showing someone the bottom of your shoe is the equivilant of the bird in the U.S.)
Of course, that wasn`t the feeling of the people in the social circles of minority who were doing the oppressing.
To get to my point, I`m all for supporting people who are willing to stand up to break the shackles of oppression, no matter who the president is. However, we really don`t know complex situation on the ground just by
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Male 10,845
[quote">Claiming you wanted to invade a country (Iraq) for it`s people (who didn`t want it), against the world`s advice (UN said no), and claiming it could have a domino effect of removing dictators across the middle east (which it didn`t).[/quote">

Ah yes brings back pleasant memories.

Now in THAT case the "domino effect" was opposite of what we wanted. Yet communism has suffered one massive reversal after another.

Nonetheless, in both cases the French of all people told us NOT to go in.
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Male 4,547
Incidentally I`m also against certain Arab bodies sending troops into Bahrain to suppress protesters.

It`s all about applying thought to individual circumstances. That`s not hypocritical.

What would be hypocritical is this:
1) Claiming you wanted to invade a country (Iraq) for it`s people (who didn`t want it), against the world`s advice (UN said no), and claiming it could have a domino effect of removing dictators across the middle east (which it didn`t).

2) When all your stated reasons are now TRUE in the case of Libya, and NOW when every one of those things is ACTUALLY TRUE, you`re against it.

That is hypocrisy.
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Male 4,547
"I can always tell from the description, before I click, which links were submitted by 5Cats. He hasn`t let me down yet."

Agreed. 100% hit rate so far.
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Male 4,547
Hi. Arab here.

I was against the Bush Wars.
I am in favour of attacking the Libyan government.

Just like I`m in favour of drating ladies when they ask, but not in favour of drating them when they ask me not to.

This is not a confusing concept.
Invading lands against the will of their people: Bad
Invading lands with the support of the lands people: Awesome.

The Libyan situation is everything the Republicans pretended the Iraq was.
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Male 36,469
vv Icanhascheezburger @SmilinSam? It`s my daily injection of teh cute!
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Female 3,598
the guy that wrote this article seems to be barely literate. so i have no problem disregarding everything he has to say, and go laugh at the pics of cats now...
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Male 10,845
[quote">"Ok Momar, cut that out or else!"[/quote">

Obama did say something to that effect
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Male 698
Based on the description that sounded like an extremist conservative.
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Male 314
Thank you Kougaiji, for pointing out the obvious that everyone else seems to have missed. Whoever wrote the description doesn`t know the basics of politics or wants liberals to get a bad name.
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Male 604
This isn`t liberalism, idiots.
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Male 36,469
Thank you @vorpalsword & @elkingo (and @Volsunga too) for appreciating my efforts to enlighten the Bored Masses.
I`m sorry if it bores you the the "neutral unbiased" MSM is in fact IN BED with a certian political party. That distorting facts and blaming "women and neoconservatives" (ie: Jews) brings you yawning fits!
If Barak had said "Ok Momar, cut that out or else!" I`d have cheered! Insted he hid behind the skirts of his women, and also went golfing twice.
So try to observe, with an open mind, as the MSM points the finger at everyone EXCEPT the President. And ask yourself "did Bush get this `kid gloves` treatment?" Nope.

I await the MASSIVE anti-war rallies! In 3... 2... what? They ain`t happening? Gee I wonder why.
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Male 25,416
meh
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Male 12,138
I can always tell from the description, before I click, which links were submitted by 5Cats. He hasn`t let me down yet.
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Male 2,229
I call BS to the article, since it`s all neo- liberal/ conservatives want/need war as many wars as possible to be happening, so that they maintain THEIR power, and kill off or "drown" in debt their opposition. It`s the ordinary regular working people that are taking the hit for all of the aggressive poo the United States is doing. Obama is part of the establishment, thus part of the problem.

Kudos for being the first black President and all, but if he doesn`t help the people or helps those that are trying to subdue, suppress(oppress), or out right attack of the people then he becomes part of the problem; and an enemy of the state of the people.
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Male 546
So our President did not make his own decision?
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Male 29
Hilary Clinton is the biggest retard ever.
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Male 1,678

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Male 5,620
@jamie76 --

Good thing we fought that oil war, it would suck if oil went so high that gas prices went over 3.50 a gallon.. oh wait.. n/m.
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Female 870
This link almost gave my computer a virus...
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Male 2,345
so when a deomcrat president intervenes in a JUST cause to save millions from being killed by a dictator it is a bad thing to republicans???

but when we go to war with a country for oil that is good...

ok got it.
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Male 5,620
*total shock facial expression*

It`s a great big interweb out there people. If you don`t like this post go somewhere else! *shocked facial expression*


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Male 1,452
god one thought worthy post and melodramatic wrist cutters wont stop crying about how their life is miserable because of IAB not agreeing with them.
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Male 1,548
So an anti-war douchebag is desperately trying to find every possible reason why we shouldn`t protect people from genocide. Is anyone surprised that somebody wrote something like this? I wouldn`t apply this idiocy to liberals in general. Besides, France is taking the lead on this one (first time taking an active role in international politics since WWI), we are just providing support.
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Male 6,737
Anyone bothered who was the main push behind the war?

No, me neither.
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Female 180
UGH..LAME
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Male 37,888

I Am Bored - because of this post.

Maybe Oystah and I could exchange recipies or something to relieve the boredom? Or DixieRarr and I could swap dating horror stories...

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Male 1,021
What happened to this once great web site?
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Male 10,440
I can feel this website coming apart at the seams.

How is this supposed to relieve my boredom? I can make fun of 5cats, sure, but that will only get me so far...
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Male 36,469
Link: Liberal Blogger: Who`s to blame for the war? [Rate Link] - Not Obama! It`s WOMEN and JEWS! Obama just couldn`t stop them! So the spinning begins...
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