Fox News National Nuclear Expert Joe Cirincione

Submitted by: MildCorma 5 years ago

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Male 674
Japan reluctant to disclose footage of power plant taken by U.S. drone

As usual, everything must be half truth, held back and surrounded by LIES. It will be months even years before WE get our hands on the full scope of this nuclear crisis.
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Male 674
What do I know? I know this:

I wrote my first university papers on fission and fusion in 1992.
I don`t work for anybody but myself.
There is nothing to fear in this world but deceit, hatred and greed.
I speak reality when it comes to global concern and humanity.
I despise people and politicians that suppress the truth.
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Male 12,365
Do you even know the difference between an active reactor core and a cooling pond? Or the difference between graphite and water? Do you know *anything* about the situation or the comparisons you and various other people are making to promote fear?
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Male 12,365
r66tramp:

Either you don`t even know what a containment breach is or you`re knowingly scare-mongering for some reason.

Either way, you`re wrong.

Do you write for the gutter press?

Just to spell it out in case anyone thinks that r66tramp is right: there has not been a containment breach.

The Soviet authorities tried to cover Chernobyl up and didn`t evacuate people.

The Japanese authorities have invited international inspectors in to help and have evacuated large numbers of people even though there`s far, far less reason to do so than there was near Chernobyl.

Your claim that those two responses from the authorities are exactly the same is so obviously untrue that it shouldn`t need pointing out.

You`re just making this stuff up to scare people.
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Male 674
“It`s very unlikely that containment will be breached at all.”

1st admitted breach was No. 2 on the 15th.

“The incident was badly mishandled by the Soviet authorities, which made it much worse.”

Same thing applies now in Japan with the electric utility and the government handling the situation in the exact fashion.

“No, it won`t.”(be another Chernobyl)

Why are people all over the world drawing that comparison? No Chernobyl, implies this current affair is much safer, there will be no fallout and no people, animals and vegetation/ground water will suffer. No Chernobyl means no level seven!

One key exception is how the entire world gets to watch Japan`s nuclear disaster roll out painfully slow in our faces. Chernobyl details entered the world press much later.
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Male 12,365
In case anyone wants to see the official position from the IAEA rather than media speculation, here`s the page:

IAEA page on the situation

There is no indication that it is a level 6 event.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Should I point to your statement where you wrote: Japan`s nuclear events will NEVER reach a level 7?[/quote]

Feel free to try.

Since I didn`t write that, you can`t.


If you want to have any credibility, you should be more careful about what you wrongly claim other people have written.
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Male 1,451
I can`t trust anyone who claims to be an expert but says "radiuses."

It`s radii (pronounced ray-de-eye) and that is simple mathematics; I learned that in grade school and was reminded time and time again throughout highschool and college.

He obviously went to neither.
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Male 1,360
for once a bit of news, yes, the situation is pretty bad.
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Male 190
fear mongering rediculousness..... fox news can tea bag itself
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Male 1,016
not to alarm you but ....we`re .......F***ed!
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Male 674
The French can get a bad rap for extreme public statements but as a country France generates near 75% of its electricity by nuclear means. You would think they know a thing or two about predicting outcome in the event of reactor type failures? French nuclear officials have already warned of a potential level seven affair.

Well here is another blast from paris.

People should never live in fear but seek the truth, no matter how dark it is. Governments love to hold their masses in fear mode, this greatly helps keep the public predictable and pliable.
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Male 2,384
thats the government`s job, keep the people scared
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Male 14,330
Well they had to evacuate worker at the site due to a surge in radiation and were unable to drop that coolant from that helicopter because of radiation levels. Everythings fine though pay no attention to this guy.........
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Male 259
@volsunga
have you read the news today? or still waiting for your experts?
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Male 25,416
Fox has facts, i dont believe it :P
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Male 674
3 Mile had a total fail time approximately 16 to 24 hours during which only for a brief period the uranium rods were partialy exposed. Still, half of the uranium had melted down.

Number 3 at Daiichi in Japan "in a new experiment" has MOX rods that contain plutonium. #3 has been in a state of thermal runnaway for how long now? It would be good to know what the mass(kg) of the rods are in #3. With the total mass you can start to do calculations on worst case scenario`s.

Apples to apples, oranges to oranges...I think it is obvious Japan`s current nuclear problem is in a field of it`s own. I don`t think you can compare todays events against any others from the past. Truely unique! The media is a joke, one physicist says Japan`s reactors are a non-issue then another pops up and calls it appocalyptic.
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Male 2,988
"its a 4, it might get to 5, like 3 mile island, which is a serious event"

3 mile island was absolutley nothing! nothing happened! those who flew away on planes recieved more radiation during their flight than if they had stayed. drated up scale being presented by a talking head that knows jack poo about nuclear power plants on a far from reputable news source. in other words, nothing to really worry about.
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Male 147
Just to let you know;

The Surgeon General said to stock up on Iodide for the California coast...



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Male 674
Angilion back at it again eh?

The current nuclear disaster in Japan IS a catastrophe by all means of the word. Pure insanity to think otherwise! Looks like ISIS is anticipating "Level Seven" on the (INES) scale. I think Angilion(AKA: Morrowbie Jukes) will be eating truck loads of CROW. Should I point to your statement where you wrote: Japan`s nuclear events will NEVER reach a level 7? You being the great resident oracle of IAB, I think you need to fix your crystal ball.
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Male 156
This whole tsunami business has made me realize just how much I despise the never-ending sensationalism of American media.
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Male 12,138
Oh noes! It`s unprecendented, the fallout`s going to hit the west coast of America, and everyone in LA is going to die of cancer of the eyeballs!

Maybe he was getting his scientific data from i-am-bored.com.



Except that that pic is bullpucky. And, as others have pointed out, Ukraine is not Russia. Different countries. Finally, Cirincione is not a nuclear scientist. In fact, he`s not a scientist at all. A bit of digging tells me he has a Bachelor of Arts undergrad degree and an M.S. in "Foreign Service".

While I have no doubt that he`s a respected contributor and talking head on nuclear politics, he`s no scientist. I won`t be hitting the Eject button just yet.

Fox "News". Learn2not fearmonger. Sh*t`s bad enough as it is.
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Male 423
Chernobyl reactors had graphite moderator to cool down the uranium,as fudgeushima is all water,do any of you know the difference between graphite dust and plain water vapor? FYI,graphite dust (or any dust ) STICKS to things like trees,grass,the inside of yours lungs as water vapor will condensate and mix with all the water around,making it way less radioactive than dust that takes years to decay....
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Male 1,021
Why is this posted??

LAME
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Male 378
the media is just trying to scare us
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Male 469
He told the facts and there was nothing FOXy about it. Was this supposed to inform us or trying to bash FOX?
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Male 12,365
[quote]What`s the problem? Radiation from Chernobyl got here, albeit in very very low levels.

I fully expect us to get dosed, if they have a full meltdown.[/quote]

I wouldn`t.

Chernobyl was still fizzing - these cores aren`t.

Chernobyl was being used for something it wasn`t made for - these reactors aren`t.

Chernobyl had a full meltdown and an explosion *inside* containment, causing a catastrophic breach of containment - these reactors have neither.

Even if there was a full meltdown in these cores, which seems extremely unlikely, maybe even impossible, because all the control rods are inserted, it`s designed to safely contain even a full meltdown even if it`s still fizzing (which it isn`t).

We had a significantly more serious accident in a much less safe reactor in the UK at Windscale (it caught fire) and even that wasn`t catastrophic.
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Male 4,290
I really would expect a nuclear expert to know that Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia. Or that the plural of radius is radii, not radiuses.

Apart from that, there was nothing TOO objectional in it.
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Male 38
O.K. Basically what I just read in the NY Times. If you just listened to the report without knowing it was Fox I don`t think you would have a problem with it. I don`t like Fox either, but this reflexive bashing only makes you lose credibility when there is actually a reason for bashing them.
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Male 5,194
>>I`m not sure this is actually FOX news...they didn`t even say how this is Obama`s fault.

That`s it!! The REAL Fox News would never miss an opportunity to tell people Obama caused the earthquake! This is FAKE. SHOPPED.
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Male 535
really I hate FOXnews but what is supposed to be wrong about this? the expert made some great statements sharing valuable information. the journalist asked important questions. To me this seems pretty good, although it is FOXnews!
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Male 1,008
LMAO you guys are so easy, "OOOHH its foxnews post now I can show how cool I am by bashing it!" let the tardfest continue
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Male 1,765
That`s Lemmy? He looks like Hugh Laurie dressed as Lemmy.
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Male 3,631
I wonder how many of you would`ve reacted differently had this been a CNN expert at the helm. Just sayin`.
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Male 12
They should just get Homer Simpson over there. He`ll do something stupid to fix it!
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Male 1,744
Don`t like it, "unprecedented" and "serious" does not necessarily mean "dangerous." Just saying. But yeah, this is classic media fear mongering: "We make you scared so Stay Tuned! for more updates...(while increasing our ratings :D )"
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Male 1,122
I`m not sure this is actually FOX news...they didn`t even say how this is Obama`s fault.
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Male 2,422
@ Meepmaker
No, no. You`ve got to duck and cover.
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Male 3,578
A meltdown and an explosion are not the same at all!
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Male 3,578
@Hightech90
Well I know better than to argue with a conspiracy nut.
So I’ll only educate yourself
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Male 2,033
Fairly tame stuff for faux news. i was expecting claims of all of Japan getting wiped of the earth any day now, or something.
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Male 2,868
"BLOWING UP in a mushroom cloud"

FYI- mushroom clouds are not unique to nuclear explosions. Not at all.
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Male 2,868
"So FoxNews has an expert at something? Isn`t that news in and of itself? Maybe he could explain to O`Reilly how tides work since he`s there."

Madest, you win this thread.
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Male 69
"Whereabouts in Russia is Chernobyl?"

Nowhere, it`s in Ukraina.

This guy is supposed to be Nuclear Expert.. Right.. The core bursts thru the aa..aa..aa containers.. Even thou the last container (cement mixed with graphite) is designed to hold completely melted core and even the pressure chamber in it. In Chernobyl they didn`t went the gases and it blew up. The moment they announced that they are venting out the pressure i sighed out of relief. The core melting is a scenario that has been well thought of.
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Male 2,553
From the related clips, it looks like Mr. Cirincione is an expert of many fields, like one of those "Oh, quick, we need to make it seem like we have expertise in this field too! Bring him in!"-kind of guy.
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Female 1,743
Considering the usual crap that Fox News reports, this isn`t that bad..
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Male 10,339
What`s the problem? Radiation from Chernobyl got here, albeit in very very low levels.

I fully expect us to get dosed, if they have a full meltdown.
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Male 259
@volsunga experts a 3 mile? lol...you mean cover up of chernobyl til switzerland detected the radiation
right..forgot you are american..only trust your American propaganda experts like the WMD in Iraq or that you have ever won a war... the rest of the world will take any foreign authorities word over a U.S. authority any day
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Male 259
@davy
thx..was all flustered by fatviking LOL
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Male 749
Whereabouts in Russia is Chernobyl?
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Male 1,548
@pompousass7
so the only nuclear country that is receiving information secondhand (France) says that everything is wrong? I`d rather trust the reports of the teams consisting of scientists that were actually at 3 mile island and Chernobyl that are working with the Japanese now. All the radiation that has been released as of yet has been the harmless kind. There is still the possibility of a severe loss of containment, but currently it is under control.
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Male 259
@fatviking
my statement was that it was worse than 3 mile island. i did not say that the quake and tsunami were less devastating
and actually only about 30 people died from chernobyl, but if you take into account the over 1000 that supposedly died from thyroid cancer and the population density difference from the part of ukraine to japan..the numbers could still be much higher....again my point was the fact that Volsunga said it would be at worst the same as 3 mile and not that the natural disasters were less devastating
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Male 12,138
pompousass7, dude, you can post links here. There`s even a "Link" button to the right of the comment box for hyperlinky goodness.
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Male 202
@pompousass7

OK, so according to the French nuclear safety authority, it`s worse than an incident that ended up killing no one. But not as bad as one that killed about 50.

Even if both reactor fully melt down there`s NO WAY it would kill more than 100 people. Doesn`t anyone think the whole "10,000 dead in earthquake and tsunami" thing is Worse?
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Male 6,694
Stop. Drop. Roll.
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Male 7,378
So FoxNews has an expert at something? Isn`t that news in and of itself? Maybe he could explain to O`Reilly how tides work since he`s there.
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Male 259
@fatviling
http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/ world/ japans_nuclear_ crisis_ worsening_watchdog_ declares/85b1fbb3
take the spaces out after slashes and underscores for link
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Male 496
Hightech90

Because we all know nuclear explosions are mushroom clouds, despite the fact that the radioactive element is so depleted that it wouldn`t be able to react at the rate required for a nuclear explosion to occur, so this must be true.

Off topic - yay submission :D
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Male 202
@Hightech90

That`s bullpoo. The video that you`re talking about is a video of a hydrogen explosion. The zirconium in the reactor was releasing hydrogen, so they vented it away from the reactor, outside the containment structure where it exploded. the reactor itself has not exploded and is more or less intact.
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Male 4
Oh, apparently Chernobyl is now in Russia and not in Ukraine. FAIL!
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Male 202
@pompousass7 "it is already worse than 3 mile island"

Please, give me your source of this information.
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Male 72
@dm2754
Umm...the Japanese and their government are covering this up. I guess its to get people not to freak out and get angry at them, but there is video of one of the reactors blowing up...let me repeat that...BLOWING UP in a mushroom cloud....Yea radiation is spreading from that place and will be on the U.S. West Coast around the end of the week.
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Male 259
does anyone in the U.S. get news the same day? Or do you spend it online on sites like this? They have had a new quake south of tokyo..yes new..not an aftershock
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Male 202
Even in a worst case scenario, the amount of radioactive fallout reaching the US is going to be harmless. Unless all you eat are wild berries, mushrooms and all you drink is stagnant pond water, AND you sleep under the open sky, AND you have an iodine deficiency.
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Male 259
@volsunga i guess you don`t read well..it is already worse than 3 mile island
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Male 2,868
@Gerry1of1- Really? Because I didn`t get that from this video at all. It`s not like he was telling people that doom is imminent. He basically said "if they don`t deal with the situation effectively, there could be a massive radiation leak," which sounds like common sense to me. Jesus, I never thought I`d be the one defending Fox News on IAB.
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Male 259
it is tues...what is the point of posting a sunday newscast. so much has happened since then
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Male 1,793
if it was said on fox... i am not worried...
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Male 3,578
the Japanese news says definitely .
I`m going to go with waht the japanese say sents they are there and this guy isn`t
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Male 2,372
I can see that "Fox News Derangement Syndrome" (FNDS) is alive and well here at IAB.

There was nothing wrong with this broadcast. The guy has great credentials, and he was saying that things are bad now, but could get a whole lot worse if the there`s an all out meltdown in the core.

Fox news could report that the wheel is round and there would still be people getting all bent out of shape. Crazy.
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Male 37,897

When in danger or in doubt
Run in circles, Scream and Shout!
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Male 2,868
This is actually fairly level-headed for fox. Honestly, due to my own bias against Fox, I was expecting a shill from the nuclear industry telling everyone that everything was gonna be just fine.

@Volsunga- what expertise do you have? Just curious, as I know very little about nuclear power.

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Male 1,440
Fox news with the unbiased,factual truth yet again -.-
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Male 1,548
Chernobyl is impossible with this kind of reactor. The absolute worst case scenario is about the same as 3 mile island. This "expert" is probably a political commentator on nuclear policy, not a scientist or engineer that actually understands the technical aspects of how the reactor works.
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Male 2,005
if it wasn`t fox news i would have taken this vid more seriously
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Male 496
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