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  1. Profile photo of emmettyville
    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    March 25, 2011 at 8:22 pm
    Link: Death Penalty For Miscarriages? - I dont even know how this can remotely be taken seriously!
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    connor53 Male 13-17
    207 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:27 am
    This is why we can`t repeal our right to bare arms. If we did, how could anyone shoot this guy for being so disgustingly stupid?
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    handimanner Male 60-69
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    March 26, 2011 at 9:34 am
    A bill presented by old, fat, white guys (who only look like they`re miscarrying)
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    nick9399 Male 18-29
    59 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:35 am
    Okay, first of all I`m an evil Republican against abortion(used as birth control), and I don`t understand how someone could propose something so ludicrous. I was halfway expecting this to be something from The Onion.
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
    812 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:39 am
    What the FU.CK?!
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 9:49 am
    That`s the logically absurd conclusion if you think a bunch of genetic goo is a person.
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    chibiericka Female 18-29
    20 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:50 am
    That is absolutely stupid!!! is carriages happen commonly and naturally, its super common for a woman to be pregnant and not even know it and also have a miscarriage and not even know about it either. I`m glad I don`t live in that state
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    Cruddup Male 30-39
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    March 26, 2011 at 9:50 am
    Don`t pay attention to them. You`re only encouraging them! I`m pro-life, too, but this is just ridiculous.
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    TannerW Male 18-29
    156 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:50 am
    My mom had 5 miscarriages before she had me. Rep. Bobby Franklin should hurl himself off of the nearest cliff.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:51 am
    this guy sounds like a d*ck.
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    amgbac09 Female 18-29
    33 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 9:58 am
    I am a woman who has a medical condition called Incompetent Cervix. Once the pregnancy reaches a certain weight my cervix is no longer strong enough to hold all the products of conception and I go into premature labor, anywhere from 16 to 32 weeks.

    In order to be diagnosed with this condition you have to go through a miscarriage. In fact, most doctors will not diagnose this condition until you have had TWO or THREE second or third trimester miscarriages.

    Miscarriages that occur up to 12 weeks are completely natural and can occur in up to 25% of all pregnancies. These can be caused by just about anything from genetic abnormalities to improper development.

    So according to this bill, I would be criminally punished for a medical condition I did not know I had. There are very few women who can say they have never had a miscarriage. If this bill passed, at best the court and prison systems would be overrun with women, and at worst, there would be few women
  12. Profile photo of DingDingDong
    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    March 26, 2011 at 9:59 am
    I highly doubt that`s what the bill really says. How `bout explaining the bill`s actual text and bringing someone else one the show for the other side of the story?
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:02 am
    bobby franklin, you are a f u c k i n g meathead.
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:08 am
    good idea
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:16 am
    Come on people, obviously horrible journalism at work here.
    I`m not saying I agree with the bill, but at least look at the actual text:
    http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display.aspx?Legislation=31965

    (2) `Prenatal murder` means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an
    115 intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however,
    116 that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother
    117 and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder.
    118 Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically
    119 as a `spontaneous abortion` and popularly as a `miscarriage` so long as there is no human
    120 involvement whatsoever in the causation
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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
    688 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:18 am
    This is utterly ridiculous. If this gets past, then lets make it illegal for men to have premature ejaculations, or erectile disfunction.
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    strangedays Female 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:29 am
    I can see his next move trying to make it illegal for women to have periods, saying that the egg released could have potentially been a baby and letting yourself have a period is destroying that potential life.
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    wingz1206 Female 18-29
    178 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:31 am
    Looks like I`m dead then...
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    Afugy Male 30-39
    199 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:37 am
    Freakonomics Abortion

    Abortion has saved more lives then it has taken.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Up next, masturbation is now a federal offense!
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    nny156 Male 18-29
    182 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:44 am
    ok dingdingdog heres your republican side of the story

    "hissss hiel hitler hiel hitler hiel hitler women and jews and athiest and anyone not white blonde hair blue eyed and christian dont deserve basic human rights death penalties all around while i wipe my ass with the constitution" - love the republican party

    a persons body is there own business the abortion debate was settled already and miscarriages cant be used as an excuse to treat a woman like a criminal.

    /fail republicans
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Keep NOT voting, guys. You`re getting everything you deserve.
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    erikthevikin Male 30-39
    757 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:46 am
    And yes Americans really are that stupid.
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    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:51 am
    Someone hit this guy with their car please.
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    KeePay Male 18-29
    494 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 10:56 am
    How come when Fox News has an article you immediately dismiss it as bullcrap but believe every word MSNBC says? Just because they aren`t Fox News doesn`t mean they aren`t also biased and twisting the truth.

    I mean, looking over the part of the bill that DingDingDong posted, this is obviously a scare tactic on the part of MSNBC. People who really believe this have to be pretty gullible.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 11:16 am
    I am all in favour of abortions, I would hate to see you lose that right- but this is bad journalism. This is a badly written bill and should not be passed, but it will not make miscarriage punishable.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
    728 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 11:37 am
    I thought there might be some biased reporting going on here, and DingDingDong provided the evidence for that. Sensationalistic, biased news is going to be the death of us. B-|

    That said, if that representative were to later push for the more ridiculous version that the news was describing, he should know that many natural miscarriages are due to genetic non-viability. Sometimes zygotes recombine DNA improperly, or certain fatal gene combinations come together, and the fetus can`t be carried to term.

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    sum33 Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 11:46 am
    @erikthevikin silly canadian go back to watching hockey and messing up bacon... yes, americans can stereotype too
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    Dee_koala Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 11:51 am
    What a miscarriage of justice.
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    margot138 Female 18-29
    322 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 11:59 am
    I`m surprised this non-nice individual is married. I hope his wife gets a miscarriage then maybe he will change his mind.
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
    277 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Even if the bill said that:
    Women who put their babies at risk during pregnancy by reckless behavior, smoking, excessive drinking etc. (things that have been shown to increase risk of miscarriage & defects) should face some sort of punishment, I would disagree.

    But this is just stupid. 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage during the first three months. And most of those are due to genetic defects in the fetus. This is nature`s own genetic screening process. Criminalise people over that? Really?

    Unless of course this is a first class elected troll at work...
  32. Profile photo of LTimeLurker
    LTimeLurker Female 18-29
    723 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    Hey Guys, you`re next...
    Don`t spill your seed on the ground, or this man will crucify you.
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    Calummac Male 13-17
    341 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    @ Monosandalos
    I`m hoping it`s a troll
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    Excuse me, can we have a post that doesn`t portray Americans as completely batsh*t stupid? I know many aren`t but I`m getting really uncomfortable living so close by on account of all this "entertainment".
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    Badlad99 Male 13-17
    37 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    I`d much prefer a law which stopped tards like this guy from breeding.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25408 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    thats just people with to much power
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:51 pm
    Considering he tried to make rape and domestic abuse victims into accusers, it sounds like this guy hates women.
  38. Profile photo of Intaresting
    Intaresting Male 18-29
    812 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 12:58 pm
    This doesn`t sound all that far off from islamists who sentence a girl to death for being raped.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    Bull MSNBC your just as bad as FOX news with the hyperbole. Name the Representative who tried to introduce such bill. It would be on record. Ditto with the Utah assertion as well. pathetic reporting. This is just marketing ploy to get your attention to watch.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Yeah, after reading the text of the bill, it`s obvious that MSNBC is guilty of distorting the facts in the extreme here. HOWEVER, this is still a terrible bill. Not only because it would strip a woman of her right to choose, but it would put all women who have miscarriages at risk of criminal investigation for a capital crime. Say a woman is less than thrilled about being pregnant, and she happens to miscarry- but she has a crazy mother in law who is convinced that she induced the miscarriage somehow. Now the crazy mother in law can call the cops and have the woman investigated for murder. While the bill would not make every woman who miscarries guilty of murder, it would make every woman who miscarries a potential murder suspect.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    "This is just marketing ploy to get your attention to watch."

    It`s more than that- it`s an effort to fuel the fires of partisanship that prevents liberals and conservatives from having a rational discourse about anything.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    @TheShgn2 what you are talking about was a law to change the terminology from victim to accuser BEFORE AND DURING THE TRIAL. The reason for this is that when you use the word victim it implies that there was indeed a crime, which is supposed to be determined by the trial. I think rape is one of the most deplorable crimes, I think the punishment for rape should be VERY severe, but there are plenty of women who lie and falsely accuse men or rape. In these cases, using the term victim lends automatic sympathy to the accuser. In a system where you are considered innocent until proven guilty, it is only fair that the word victim not be used. The story was presented in the worst possible light even though it was based on logic and reason. The law is not to defend rapist, but the falsely accused.
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    Schr0dinger Male 50-59
    359 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    This is amazing! MSNBC is still on the air?!?
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    Lol republicans.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    im drating moving to canada, i cannot deal with this poo any more
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    I suppose they think they need to do something about miscarriages, since if they succeed in making abortion illegal (preposterous), pregnant women will then think of other ways of not having this baby, which would be induced miscarriage. Further proof of why pro-choice is the way to go! Inducing a miscarriage is just going to harm the woman, and make her go through so much more mental and physical pain.
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    KickRocks18 Female 18-29
    1 post
    March 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    This guy basically wants to rape women, and then punish them for killing his spawn so that he can rule the world with mini hims.... sneaky ass republican.
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
    129 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    While I am certainly not for the death penalty in such things, people we need to ask ourselves just how many miscarriages happen due to the direct fault of the mother. Nutritional, drugs, alcohol, smoking, all act to harm the fetus in the womb. They both said in the video, it`s natural and happens often: the problem is that it isn`t natural and may happen often, yet it shouldn`t happen much at all. But expectant mothers eat crap, drink alcohol, smoke, take drugs, and generally act irresponsibly, then wonder why their babies are miscarried or born with health problems.
    Again, not at all a follower of legal action of any sort against miscarriages-if the mother played a part in the death by not caring for herself properly, the loss is sufficient punishment-but we need to wake up and know that mothers CAN and SHOULD take care of themselves right to have healthy children. One drink at the wrong time during pregnancy can completely alter the DNA of the unborn child.
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    vulture19 Male 30-39
    181 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 4:00 pm
    Apparently, dude has been doing this for years
  50. Profile photo of Jennish
    Jennish Female 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    "yet it shouldn`t happen much at all" ukelele, do you realize how many miscarriages are from genetic problems or chromosonal abnormalities? how many embryos fail to thrive because of THEIR dna makeup? it happens ALL THE TIME and it`s not the mother`s fault. what about women who miscarry over and over again while trying to have a baby? or the ones who have to go into IVF or surrogacy? is it because they`re all crackwhores doing likes of coke and shots of jager? yes, some women make the unfortunate choice of drinking or doing drugs when pregnant but that is NOT the biggest contributing factor to miscarriages.
  51. Profile photo of shieldbash
    shieldbash Male 30-39
    23 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    ukulelemike you are absolutely wrong in relation to how "natural" spontaneous abortions are. It is an extremely common phenomena across species and cultures. In fact, many studies have suggested that that many miscarriages occur prior to any conscious awareness of pregnancy. Fertilization is a crap shoot. Just because an egg becomes fertilized it does not mean that the resulting foetus will be viable.

    You are correct that any of those things you mentioned may increase the likelihood of a miscarriage, but some estimates suggest that the majority (60-80%) are due to genetic abnormalities of either the sperm or egg, not caused by environmental stresses (the upper bounds of this statistic is reached with increasing age).

    You could find out all of this information with a quick read from the Mayo Clinic if you so choose.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    Typical republicans, don`t surprise me anymore.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    let me guess, there is some religion involved in there somewhere
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    BDT1981 Male 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 6:03 pm
    original post by DingDingDong now on the second page of comments

    Come on people, obviously horrible journalism at work here.
    I`m not saying I agree with the bill, but at least look at the actual text:
    the bill

    (2) `Prenatal murder` means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an
    115 intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however,
    116 that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother
    117 and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder.
    118 Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically
    119 as a `spontaneous abortion` and popularly as a `miscarriage` so long as there is no human
    120 involvement whatsoever in the ca
  55. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    Stupid Republicans need to crack a science book every once and a while. Miscarriages happen to A LOT of people! They`re completely normal. There is no reason to interrogate women who have them.

    Not to mention that fact that the law would be unconstitutional. Abortion was decided by the supreme court to be a constitutional right granted under the 14th amendment (don`t ask me why) and of course we all know that a state cannot take away a right granted by the constitution.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31787 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    Well, once again hysteria wins out over actually reading the law. Just another day in the MSM. Never miss a chance to slander a Republican, that`s the MSM motto, eh?
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
    736 posts
    March 26, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    lol.
    Good luck, America.
    Maybe try sending you kids to school some time? Oh, hold on, that would be socialism, wouldn`t it?
    lol
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    queenofleon Female 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 7:08 pm
    My marxist feminist dialect brings all the boys to the yarrrrd !
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    Schr0dinger Male 50-59
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    March 26, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    If you thought for one second that this was anything but a smear on the Repubs, If you thought for even half a second that this was as presented and couldnt see it for what it was, well, you are so stupid that I ask you to please kill yourself before you breed and pollute the earth with more fools like yourself.
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    misiz_sjmxo Female 18-29
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    1 in 4 pregnancies ends in miscarriage. That guy is crazy as shiiiat
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    Jammacan Female 13-17
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    March 26, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Thats it, I`m moving to Canada.
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    sgtstumpy Male 30-39
    59 posts
    March 27, 2011 at 12:29 am
    Dude, I live in Georgia. Folks don`t put democrats in our legislature and this is what we get for it. Idiot redneck bible thumper wants to put half his constituents to death. Sounds pretty Christian to me.
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    sgtstumpy Male 30-39
    59 posts
    March 27, 2011 at 12:29 am
    Actually, it sounds pretty Sharia Law to me.
  64. Profile photo of phoneybone
    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2011 at 12:57 am
    i want to see a link for the real bill in its original wording, can`t help but think the news spun it juuuuust a bit
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    buttsdowhat Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2011 at 1:01 am
    This is ignorant and makes me angry.
  66. Profile photo of phoneybone
    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    March 27, 2011 at 1:11 am
    MSNBC left out this gem, clearly absolving miscarriages:

    `Prenatal murder` means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder.
    Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a `spontaneous abortion` and popularly as a `miscarriage` so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.

    tl;dr - abortion = murder; miscarriage not-equal murder
  67. Profile photo of phoneybone
    phoneybone Male 18-29
    1744 posts
    March 27, 2011 at 1:16 am
    just one more
    I read the meaty part of the bill (all except the "corrections" part which is pretty much typo-fixing) and at no point did it mention explicitly the "death penalty", simply that (paraphrase) "abortion will be considered a felony crime," which I`m guessing felony crimes can be punished by the death penalty. So yeah, not trying to be pro-republican here (hate left wing super religious types anyway) but just the sand grain of truth on the beach of crazy news outlets.

    BTW, the bill
  68. Profile photo of gbrzeatetee
    gbrzeatetee Male 30-39
    174 posts
    March 27, 2011 at 2:54 am
    The brief mentions multiple times "prenatal murder." No need to read past such a retarded construct. Next stop: make masturbation illegal with the preconception murder bill. Or the act of roosterblocking a dude who was about to get some: predoingit murder.
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    crystemp Female 18-29
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    March 27, 2011 at 6:27 am
    Did these two even read the bill? It states prenatal murder, not miscarriage. Also, the consequence isn`t necessarily death sentence.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    March 27, 2011 at 6:54 am
    @ crystemp and Phoneybone: I think both of you missed the part about the mother having the burden of proof showing that she did everything possible to prevent the miscarriage.
    So much for Conservatives wanting government out of our personal lives, eh?
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    crystemp Female 18-29
    13 posts
    March 27, 2011 at 11:52 am
    @ bowski, the bill isn`t encouraging an investigation into every miscarriage, it was written to address clinical abortions and intended terminations. Most miscarriages wouldn`t be logged or even reported. But in the case that a questionable event was investigated, it wouldn`t be difficult (or harmful to the woman) to determine whether the death was natural, intentional, or a result of neglect.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2011 at 4:45 am
    Reactionnary USA at their best
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Yay pro life!
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    Source: MSNBC...The antithesis to FOX News. Don`t drink the Koolaid!

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