Another Reactor Blows At Fukushima Power Plant

Submitted by: CrakrJak 5 years ago

#3 Reactor Goes Kaboom, This is looking really bad for Japan.
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Male 14,330
@Angilion

Ya I said that while yes they can`t hide it all together I saw on the news last night that even some Japanese citizens and newcasters there think that their government isn`t telling them the whole story. I myself even though they`re saying it`s no major amounts of radiation wouldn`t want to be anywhere near there.
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Male 2,220
@Mildcorma I don`t think you understand how radiation sickness works.

"It`s not a bad radioactive mix, it won`t make you sick nor will it cause any long term harm but it`s a precaution should be taken as there is no point in putting people at risk where there does not need to be any."

It`s a statistical thing, background radiation can give you cancer. Any increase, increases the risk of serious long term harm.
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Male 17,512
Geesh, Now the damn cuss filter is editing the word fu-kushima.
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Male 17,512
goaliejerry: The fudgeushima plant has breakwaters offshore, there are angled jetties out in the sea to help deflect tsunami waves, and the plant is built on a bluff over 20 feet above the high tide line.


It had survived several large storm surges before this without a problem. This tsunami was 30 ft. that`s rather extraordinary.
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Male 17,512
madest: The `Big Oil` subsidies you are complaining about are for the very `green energy` projects you claim to want. BP, Shell, Phillips, and others are installing windmills and solar energy plants to appear to be green and get those subsidies.

So make up your mind do you want windmills via `big oil` being subsidized to install them or do you still want your red herring argument against them ?
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Male 4,014
" The tsunami power outage was not a scenario that Tokyo electric power co. had ever foreseen let alone trained for, it`s remarkable that the disaster has not been even worse."

The latest news is they are considering dropping boron from helicopters on the fires. Its actually quite insane. Tsunami flooding was amazingly foreseeable. The terrain was flat, near the ocean. Japan has a history of tsunamis. They invented the word. They detected increased radiation levels in Tokyo today.
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Male 4,014
The craziest part about this nuclear situation . . . a fire started today . . . in the cooling pool water . . .
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Male 307
The only way to stop the uncontrollable devistation is to drop Def Leppard on the reactor from a helicopter.
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Male 32
poo.. i meant fusion
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Male 12,365
I`ve just spotted someone suggesting that the Japanese government could be covering up a major radiation leak to save face...sheesh. How? Millions of secret agents stealing all the radiation detectors from everywhere?

When Chernobyl became a dirty bomb, the Soviet government did try to cover it up. They utterly failed to do so because radiation is a giveaway. Everyone+dog can detect it. Sweden raised the alarm first with Chernobyl, but if they hadn`t someone else would have. You can`t cover up a major radiation leak.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Windmills and solar energy are never going to provide enough reliable and consistent power to meet our needs. IF it were not for huge subsidies the electric companies wouldn`t even bother with them.[/quote]
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That wasn`t my point busybody. It was simply unsubstantiated BS being paraded as fact that I called the guy on. But now that you`re involved I`m pretty positive that if we took away Big Oil subsidies and gave them to green energy companies everything would change for the better.
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Male 496
Hey, moving a decimal point is hard yo! :(
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Male 6,694
DOH !
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Male 496
herp derp, 5,000R or 500Sv within a mile of the plant, about 30,000R or 3000Sv in the reactor (if it was breached like Chernobyl).
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Male 496
Hmm hang on, made a few mistakes with my maths like a dumbo.

1R = 10mSv, or 0.01Sv

radiation from plant peaked (per hour readings) at 0.11Sv which is 11R, not 0.11R.

11R = 0.11Sv, symtoms start from 0.25Sv and the current radiation is 0.06Sv and falling. My bad, but the readings are still very, very low. If a core casing had been breached, we would be looking at 5,000R+, or 50,000Sv within a mile of the plant. I hope this helps to illustrate exactly how safe it is still.
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Male 496
About radiation readings, the normal background radiation is 200mR (Rontgens per year), so say <1R per day (R = radiation per hour). 500R in 5 hours is lethal for humans (that`s 500 every hour for 5 hours). The readings taken at the Chernobyl core after the accident exceeded 30,000R.

Radiation at the plants maxed out at 11mR (11 millirems per hour) which is 0.11R. Now, news channels are saying things like "radiation peaked at 100mR!" because 100mR = 1R but 1R sounds soo small compared to 100 right. Also the peak was measured after the explosion, and the equivalent dosage per hour is the highest recorded so far of 0.11R.

Now to clear this all up, symtoms start in some people from 0.25R, and this is considered to be very mild exposure and is easily treated with a few tablets. The radiation currently is around 0.06R, and is continuing to fall. If anyone wants me to clarify anything else i`ll be happy to
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Male 17,512
madest: Windmills and solar energy are never going to provide enough reliable and consistent power to meet our needs. IF it were not for huge subsidies the electric companies wouldn`t even bother with them.

Coal, oil, and nuclear power are here to stay for the foreseeable future. Of those 3 nuclear power is the cleanest. The only reason those plants failed were due to extra ordinary circumstances and a 40 year old design that is no longer used.

78.8% of France`s energy production is from nuclear power, So much that they export their electricity to other nations.

1 modern nuclear power plant can provide 1650 MWe of electricity. 1 wind turbine produces a mere 0.35 MWe average. That`s 4700 wind turbines to equal 1 nuclear power plant.
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Male 496
@mcgovern

it`ll be disposed of the same way nuclear waste is. Currently in one of the reactors though, this is the mix that exploded and this is why the evacuation was pushed back to 12 miles. It`s not a bad radioactive mix, it won`t make you sick nor will it cause any long term harm but it`s a precaution should be taken as there is no point in putting people at risk where there does not need to be any.

The news is sensationalist. What is being reported through Reuters is what is mentioned in great depth in that article - that the containment layers have failed. They are nothing to do with the reactor core which is sealed from construction. The core is designed so that in the event of a meltdown nothing short of drilling a hole into the container would rupture it. This is a requirement to prevent things like chernobyl happening again. That disaster will -never- be repeated, on any scale.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Wind mills have killed far more people per unit of energy produced than nuclear power, and after this disaster, nuclear power will only be safer.[/quote]
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Clearly you`re on crack. Provide a source or keep your unsupportive statistics in your butt where they belong.
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Male 14,330
Also I haven`t seen anything saying what`s being done with that ocean water and acid mix they were trying to cool the cores with anyone know??
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Male 21
Every time a commercial plane crashes, the ensuing investigation and changes to policy make flying safer.

Wind mills have killed far more people per unit of energy produced than nuclear power, and after this disaster, nuclear power will only be safer.
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Male 14,330
Nope didn`t go through the entire article you`re talking about mild. I`m seeing the news saying that the one reactor shield might be compromised(which means it probably is) and a spent fuel pool is leaking radioactivity though. I`ve also noticed that no one is giving actual radiation level readings just saying it`s about x amount of times normal here and there why do that??
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Male 496
@Crakrjak and Mcgovern

did you even read the article posted here on IAB the other day that went through exactly what happened and why? It says the tsunami put out their power, but actually there are batteries inside the core to cool it for a further 8 hours should the backup systems fail. They worked, and in that time they were able to continue pumping in sea water but at such high temps the water seperates into hydrogen and oxygen which is explosive, and this is what has happened a few times now. There are 3 cooling layers, each one is there in case the other fails, all as backups to each other (and so they can clean one system without worrying the other is going to fail during normal operations). All 3 of these layers have now exploded after sea water was being pumped in, releasing the slighty active (but still radioactive, which is why people are 12 miles away as it`s part of international guidelines) water into the atmosphere. See below about meltdowns
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Male 1,293
It turns out that so far none of these are even as "bad" as 3-mile island. So this story is more bollocks.

And it appears that Angela Merkel is an idiot (or her advisors are idiots). Not only does Germany have no major techtonic faults, it has little coastline to suffer a tsunami. Why is she suspoending nuclear programmes.
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Male 496
@Crakrjak

My point was that even if they do go into full meltdown, which is still a possibility (albeit a very small one) that there would be no nuclear fallout, with the casing surrounding the core still intact (this was one of the very first things that they established) the final fail-safe is simply to catch the melted nuclear material on a de-activating surface inside the core itself. If a meltdown occurs it will not be the all-encompassing tragedy that people presume it will be. There is no other material inside the core for a pressure build up to occur which is what caused the original explosions in the various containment layers.

read the above Mcgovern, a containment layer failing (as all 3 have done) is NOT the core failing and of course it will leak radiation as the steam that caused the explosion is slightly activated from cooling the core. This is like being exposed to a single x-ray levels of radiation here, life threatening? No.
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Male 7,378
[quote]madest: I see you are making blanket statements again without a shred of proof beyond your own liberal bias.[/quote]
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How many nuclear power plant failures do there need to be for you to see things my way? Here we have power source that we haven`t figured out how to safely handle or dispose of. This is even more reason to redouble our efforts with green renewable resources.
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Female 4,039
This is good fuel for those against nuclear energy, so, as usual, we will not get any unbiased information on this topic.

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Female 7,833
These are the hydrogen reactions though are they not? I thought they would help to reduce pressure in the reactor- I don`t think a reactor has been breached yet although I know rods are exposed. It`s hard to get a picture as the news is rather vague.
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Male 2,033
All that radiation is sure to create a host of new things for Godzilla to fight.
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Female 311
I hope Japan does not become another Chernobyl...
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Male 17,512
MildCorma: Apparently the quake didn`t do the most damage to the reactors, It was the sudden power outage because of the tsunami that has wreaked this havoc. You can`t just suddenly turn off a 40 year old designed nuclear reactor, the energy has to go somewhere. The tsunami power outage was not a scenario that Tokyo electric power co. had ever foreseen let alone trained for, it`s remarkable that the disaster has not been even worse.

madest: I see you are making blanket statements again without a shred of proof beyond your own liberal bias.
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Male 14,330
vv Take your own advice it has I never said hear I said felt big difference in power ther. Also if you took the time to have a thought you`d see they`re saying the containment device you`re prasing so much DID FAIL with this latest reactor and is leaking significant radiation. Those who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones there DURKA DURKA..
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Male 496
Did the people commenting here actually read the article IAB posted about what`s going on, or did you just decide to fart BS out of your mouths for no good reason?
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Male 496
wow mcgovern you really are a dumb poo.

Do you believe that Japan would have been allowed to build over a dozen of these nuclear plants on a highly active and frequent faultline unless they could prove they would withstand the worst earthquake (8.2, which would still be the most powerful quake in japans history if the 8.9 hadn`t occurred) and adhere to thousands and thousands of codes and practices that are in place to ensure that whatever happens, there will never be a deadly release of nuclear material -even in- the event of a meltdown, which, by the way, wouldn`t be a problem as it`s all self contained. That shell surrounding the nuclear material is designed to survive direct impact from a ballistic missile. It survived the 6th biggest earthquake -ever-, and you are saying "well, explosion heard 25 miles away so, herp derp must be a meltdown". Go and do some reading, expand your knowledge please.
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Male 32
@chimneychang
nuclear fission...the only way to meet the ever growing demand for energy. its clean and abundant in supply of raw materials but they just need to get it cracked..
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Male 496
Did the people commenting here actually read the article IAB posted about what`s going on, or did you just decide to fart BS out of your mouths for no good reason?
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Male 14,330
Ummm yes it is bad as it looks at least 140,000 people are being told to stay indoors because of radiation levels. Not that walls are going to help block it much and it`s heading to Tokyo. This last containment vessal has FAILED it does not work and the Japanese officials might not be telling us everything to save face. These explosions could be felt 25miles away tell me how you contain something from that??
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Male 37,888

Damn! With all that Radiation this is how the next generation is gonna look...


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Male 684
the power station was built in the 60`s, the technology was new then, i am sure they have made vast design improvements over the past 40 years. Until we find a new power source nuclear will remain the cleanest safest way to reliably produce energy on the vast scales to meet the demands of the technology age.
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Male 1,122
The reason they are not panicking is that its all part of Japan`s plan.
Sure thousands will die, but 1 in every ~1000 will gain super powers instead.
The age of superheroes is here, and only Japan has the courage to make it happen.
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Male 182
@madest

"It`s clear that Nuclear power is not safe during incredibly rare and staggeringly powerful earthquakes."
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Female 751
I don`t think this is as dangerous as it`s being made out to be. If it was, then why aren`t we hearing more about people fleeing or going underground to shelter?!

I`m not trying to belittle what`s happpening over there, I just think the news is sensationalizing this story.
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Male 1,010
German Chanselor Angela Merkel announced yesterday that because of the events in Japan they will stop/freeze some of the nuclear projects - preferably not continue to use old reactors.
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Male 44
Correct me if I`m wrong, but that`s not actually the `reactor` blowing. It`s just the built up hydrogen in the containment building, isn`t it?
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Male 7,378
It`s clear that Nuclear power is not safe.
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Male 32
Y`all need to read this, the media is blowing this up to make this another sensationalist story. its sickening.
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Male 2,220
Sounds like reactor 2 has been breached i.e. its now very bad, with several reactors still causing problems - so potentially worse than Chernobyl.

"The industry newsletter World Nuclear News reports that a "loud noise" came from the reactor chamber, and that "the pressure... was seen to decrease from three atmospheres to one atmosphere after the noise, suggesting possible damage".

I hope they get things back under control quickly and without loss of life, and like CrakrJak I hope valuable lessons are learnt and better safety mechanisms are put in place in future.
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Male 1,293
"It won`t be another Chernobyl but it`s worse than 3 mile island"

So it`s worse than an incident that basically didn`t kill anyone, and not as bad as an incident that killed around 50. After an earthquake that might have killed tens of thousands that is not the major concern!
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Male 17,512
The only good thing I can see coming from this is that the US Dept. of Energy is making plans to add more safety measures and equipment to American nuclear power plants to avoid just this type of situation happening here.
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Male 17,512
duckflash: Depends on to what degree you consider `Bad`.

The reactors will never work again.
They are leaking radiation and last I heard it was drifting towards Tokyo.
It won`t be another Chernobyl but it`s worse than 3 mile island.
Thousands of people will likely need treatment with iodine pills.
No one is going to be building anything at that site again.
There could be rolling blackouts because of the number of power plants shutdown right now.
And, It`s likely Japan`s nuclear power industry is doomed.
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Female 570
(to the posters below)
so whats the verdict? is it bad or not?
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Male 514
Black smoke does not come from a hydrogen explosion, this is much worse people
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Male 1,929
After reading that article yesterday, I really don`t care that much anymore.
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Male 257
did noone read the last post about how these things work a superficial outer explosion of hydrogen isn`t a big deal
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Male 3,076
Oh sht :S
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Male 25,416
wow, scary
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Male 17,512
News is tonight a 3rd reactor has had a hydrogen explosion as well.
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Male 1,244
Man... And I thought it was bad for me here last night when it was raining so hard we got half an inch of flooding in the streets for about an hour or two... :/
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Male 138
D:
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Male 17,512
Link: Another Reactor Blows At Fukushima Power Plant [Rate Link] - #3 Reactor Goes Kaboom, This is looking really bad for Japan.
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