9/11 Victims Outraged About Memorial

Submitted by: CrakrJak 5 years ago

Why is the media not covering these details ?
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Male 25,416
Why didnt they consult with the families before
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Male 552
I don`t really understand what these people want. Is the memory of their loved ones not enough, who cares what happens to the body, I don`t care if people piss and poo all over my face when I`m dead. Who cares what happens to the site? Who cares if a museum is placed there. Holy drat people.

Do you have to be physically close to the remains of your loved ones to be capable of feeling something for them? WTF
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Male 684
people die everyday, many of the people that died in the 9/11 were heroes who selflessly risked their lives to save people who probably weren`t worth the time spent to save them, much less their lives. the rest were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, no one erects a memorial for someone who chokes on an olive, or gets hit by a bus, so why is this different?
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Male 10,845
I pontificate that the Imam is more of a ceremonial figure rather than an official one. An Imam by the in Islam can be considered for instance the leader of a community.
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Male 24
Oh, precious, precious America......

Cry me a river.

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Female 582
YAWN!


I feel bad for these people who lost their family members, I really do, but I`m sick and drating tired of hearing it. This 10 year anniversary is going to be a clusterdrat of bitching Americans.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: Rauf is not the Imam, He`s now the co-developer after he stepped down from being the project`s imam. Abdallah Adhami was then hired and has since stepped down from the project due to remarks he made about homosexuality.
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Male 2,988
I am SO sick of hearing all these 9/11 people b*tch and complain about everything. It is 100% impossible to get 100% of these people satisfied. Be it about the remains, memorial, freedom tower, a mosque being built several city blocks away, and then the truthers... If I had the chance I would move out of the U.S. Between the politicans, the 9/11 nuts, and the racists I`m fed up with this country and hate the direction its going.
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Male 10,845
See you later I gotta get some Zzzs.
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Male 10,845
What two imams?

I`ve only heard of one: Feisal Abdul Rauf, a sufi. He`s been backing the project ever since. Hell, before this event he led prayers on the same spot since before 9/11.
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Male 10,845
[quote]then why do they need an imam[/quote]


What he`s in charge of the place, will he own it? What the assertion here?
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Male 17,512
LazyMe: Freedom tower wasn`t built as a competition for the world`s tallest building, it`s height of 1776 feet is symbolic of the year we declared our independence.

Also the property is privately owned, The rebuilding project is ran by the owner Larry Silverstein, not the government.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: If it`s not a mosque as you assert, then why do they need an imam ? They`ve already dismissed two imams from the project because of extremist remarks they`ve made.

Christians don`t need to hire a pastor for an apostolic center, YMCA, or `community center`, So why do muslims need an imam for their non-mosque ?
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Male 272
haha i was referring to the fact that im not really doing anything productive. And thank you. I thought it was a Mosque. Doesnt matter though because like you said it has nothing to do with 9/11.
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Male 272
And the big F_YOU to the terrorists should be America coming together and people of all religious backgrounds living along side each other peacefully, because that`s what they don`t want.
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Male 10,845
[quote]like fighting in a flame war on the internet.[/quote]

I`d pefer to read it than listen to it on TV. Plus you don`t have to worry about getting interrupted.
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Male 10,845
[quote]that mosque there[/quote]

It`s not a mosque it`s a community center. Anyone can use for prayer (and many other things).

That being said it really has nothing to do with the "memorial". Whomever are behind this "remains" arrangement are the real douchebags here.
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Male 272
I could be wrong but I bet some of the victims were Muslim. Should we group them with the terrorists? Its like grouping all Christians as ku klux klan members. People keep saying its a slap in the face, its not. How about putting your time, money, and effort into something that really matters, like fighting in a flame war on the internet. (I know im a bit hypocritical)
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Male 10,440
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Male 10,440
I`d rather they didn`t build that mosque there. Then again, I`d rather they not build any sort of religious structures...

So it comes down to if they have the right. Based on what I`ve seen, they do.

And as to the memorial? It`s taken them a decade to start building a replacement. If they wanted to give the biggest "f*ck you" to the terrorists (as Penn and Teller rightly put it) to simply rebuild the towers asap, they`re past due.

IMO they could have built something much more impressive there. You put in a trillion dollars into your defense yet the budget for this project - which obviously has massive morale-affecting effects - is what? A billion tops. If it was up to me I would have spent 10 billion on a new world trade center, made it a kilometer high just to show off.
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Male 10,845
So it`s wrong to have a community center? It`s wrong to develop an area which by the way the previous owner REALLY wanted to get rid of?
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Male 17,512
Cajun: Having the right to do something and actually DOING what is right can be two different things as you well know.

Just as in an eminent domain case, The government has the right to take your property for `the greater good`, but that doesn`t make it right for them to do so.
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Male 10,845
That should say:

"...the majority agrees that [they] have the right to develop the area in question as they see fit."
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Male 10,845
It really doesn`t matter, because they have a right to do whatever they like...

...and the majority agrees.
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Male 10,845
Or rather what owner Z can do to his property should be restricted.


Take the piece to the Smithsonian it doesn`t need to stay there.
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Male 10,845
[quote]The Burlington coat factory was the location of where the front landing gear of one of the planes landed[/quote]

Sorry but that`s the same faulty logic behind the endangered species act. Because X is there property Y should be taken away from its owner.
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Male 591
/facepalm

All of you .. just..

You know what, no. I dont give a @#$&, both sides of this argument are retarded.

-walks out-
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Male 17,512
SmilinSam: See that `H` shaped building just to the noth of what is labeled ground zero ? Yeah, That was where WTC 7 was, That is part of `Ground Zero` as well because that building caught fire and was destroyed as a result of the Twin towers collapsing.

As I noted earlier, The Burlington coat factory was the location of where the front landing gear of one of the planes landed. It`s only two short blocks away, 70% of the US population deems that just too close.
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Male 1,249
sounds like a load
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Male 2,384
exactly what the government wants, we all know it was an inside job to get people angry and in support of an illegal war. and the government laughs all the conspiracy theories off as crazy then they play it on fox news and americans are molded just like putty in the hands of the rich polititians who dont care about you, but their vast amounts of money; so much that it could feed the starving children in africa 5 times over. america makes me sad
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Female 3,598
OMG mosque at ground zero... it`s not a mosque and it`s not a ground zero.

ALSO:
This article explains a little more detail.
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Male 17,512
Spider_sol: Why don`t you go trying to tell that to people that admired JFK or MLK Jr. ? Yeah, I know you wouldn`t. So please respect the victims families, Their loved ones were assassinated too.
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Male 101
Something underground in NYC? Of course NO-ONE would IMAGINE such a thing, cough, subways, cough. my emphysema`s acting up.
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Male 721
bla bla bla get over it
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Male 1,451
Geez, I hope when I die that people are still talking about it 10 years later...

Wait, no I don`t. Move on with your "lives."
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Male 2,402
@cheerios18 replied:
You can`t just have a massive memorial in the middle of town like they want. It`s perfectly reasonable to put it below.


handys003 responded:
Just what do you think most of the Egyptian pyramids and Mayan pyramids consist of? Not to mention many more tombs around the world.
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Male 201
These people need to stop bitching. We all lose loved ones. I`ve lost many loved ones through my life. Get over it.
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Male 119
How about do nothing and quit crying, move the nation into the future instead of the past.
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Female 30
You can`t just have a massive memorial in the middle of town like they want. It`s perfectly reasonable to put it below.
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Male 2,402
@Kaagan replied
know what will be a good memorial to 9-11? REBUILDING THE TWIN TOWERS EXACTLY HOW THEY WERE OR BETTER YET TALLER THEN THEY WERE!

handys003 replied:
Freaking Hell yeah! The most effective way of telling terroists to go F*ck themselves. The deceased infidels will always live.
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Male 2,402
7 levels down huh? That`s why it`s literally called "burying the past".
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Male 493
@SmilinSam -She`s an ignorant little teenage girl. What do you expect?
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Male 272
what does the the mosque have to do with it? and whats the deal with it being underground? Thats where people get buried. except for something she said about remains in the dump which i understand is wrong, i see noting wrong with everything else. maybe im missing something, which i probably am. The whole mosque thing is stupid though.
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Male 573
There is no `ground zero mosque` just another right wing lie. Utter BS!
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Female 3,598
@shizzamX- wtf is with your comment lately? no on cares about your opinion, jesus. the only people that care are people that remember a tragedy that affected a country immensely regardless of if they had a family member killed there.
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Male 36
i feel more sorry for the 150,000 iraques that were killed as a reult of the us led invasion, which was for what? nothing. that whats a bloody discrace, not this
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Female 2,695
wtf is with all of the 9/11 posts lately? no one cares anymore, jesus. the only people allowed to still care are the people who had a friend or family member killed there.
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Male 10,845
Come to think of it I really don`t see what this has to do with the Park51 project.
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Male 10,845
[quote]It`s extremely disrespectful to promise them one thing then do this.[/quote]

I have no quarrel with the community center that`s fine. This "remains" arrangement on the other hand is completely unethical.
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Male 17,512
The families wanted something like the Tomb of the unknowns in D.C., and they were promised that.

Now many months later, after it was changed and without consulting the families, it is revealed the remains will be seven stories underground in a museum that you will likely have to pay to get into. It`s extremely disrespectful to promise them one thing then do this.
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Male 2,034
OK, first things first: This was supposedly after the premiere of the documentary "Ground Zero Mosque: Second Wave of 9/11 Attacks" So we can tell right off the bat which side of the fence these people are on.

Secondly: 16,000 human remains? Didn`t know 16,000 people died on 9/11. Try about 3,000. 16,000 separate pieces? Is that what you meant? And do you have any idea how hard it would be to identify the remains and get them back to the families?

Lastly, I think these people need to understand that the victims` families weren`t the only people whose lives were changed that day. This memorial isn`t for you. It`s for everybody.
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Male 321
Aren`t the dead supposed to be buried? Seems like a fitting memorial to me.
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Female 614
i guess i can understand why they wouldn`t want to have the remains in a museum, but i think if they were identified as family members that they could get a free pass or something. it seems a bit weird for the hijackers to be portrayed outside and above ground. is this really legit?
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Male 257
lol why you so stupid america
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Male 98
@Entre Much like yours.
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Male 2,033
I love it. "There is nothing to remind you of 9/11" then 2 seconds later "You see all the horror of 9/11"


`merica.
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Male 1,627
know what will be a good memorial to 9-11? REBUILDING THE TWIN TOWERS EXACTLY HOW THEY WERE OR BETTER YET TALLER THEN THEY WERE!
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Male 535
"we`re lucky if there is one american flag there" what would it be good for anyway?! why would you need more than one or any flag after all? i thought it was about the victims, not flags and poo. what are your priorities? americans just should stop debating over all. sorry but no matter what they are talking about, most of the time their points just aren`t thought through.
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Male 132
Holy crap...at 5:35 I swear I saw a border collie.
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Male 4,793
"Victims Outraged About Memorial"

Well, I don`t think the victims actually care, you know, since they are dead and all. Courtesy of the US Govt.
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Female 16
Barely made it two minutes into the video. Couldn`t get past them talking over each other and not knowing what they wanted to say. d:
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Female 2,525
Using the deaths of the 9/11 victims to discriminate against a religion is a bigger atrocity, in my opinion. If your children were "loving, open people," they probably wouldn`t want you to preach hate and intolerance in their names.
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Male 605
@cajun I wouldn`t take this as fact, from what I`ve seen and heard, a lot of this is exaggerated. Refer to my first comment.
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Male 2,855
its underground so planes cant hit it beeyotch
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Male 3,577
who cares that was 10yaers ago Charlie Sheen is the big thingh now /Sarcasm
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Male 37,888

It beats the hell out of that TACKY commemorative coin
rendered in `glorious 3D`


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Male 587
The only thing that disturbs me is they talked about displaying profiles of the hijackers. These are the men that should be forgotten. I am against any sort of display or acknowledgement of who they were. Remembering them in any way makes them a martyrs for future terrorists to idolize.
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Male 10,845
So I guess I`m still with Park51.
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Male 10,845
[quote]These are the unidentifiable bits.[/quote]

Regardless those should be cremated and buried elsewhere.

I have nothing against Park51 this Memorial on the other hand concerns me.
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Male 10,845
Well I was with Park51 for a while now. It was their property before 9/11, they should be able to do whatever they want with it.

On the other they do NOT have the right to messs with the remains other people PERIOD.

So I say ignore Park51 but down with the Memorial.
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Female 833
to all those who say families should have the remains: the point is these are the UNIDENTIFIED remains, they CAN`T be released so why not have a dignified place to put them?!
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Male 105
because no one gives a poo!
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Male 1,958
I`m sorry, I find this hard to believe with Pamella Gellar being involved. She`s a bigot. I`m going to assume that the man next to her is Robert Spencer (since it looks a little like him) and he`s a bigot as well. I`m sure the victims families aren`t getting the awareness they need about the memorial, but they don`t need the help from two bigots that want all Muslims gone.
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Male 605
And like what Gerry1of1 said, all identified remains were returned to families. There not holding onto them simply to create a memorial out of them.
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Male 605
I can`t find a single article on this. There`s also a lot of contradictions. They talk of a lack of reference to the 9/11 attacks above ground, then a caption mentions there will be "Lavish profiles (above ground) of the 9/11 hijackers". I also highly doubt the profiles, wherever they are, will be "Lavish". Also, on the virtual guide of the memorial and museum, I can`t find a single reference to some soft of catacomb-like bone museum.
Also, they couldn`t sift through the entire pile of rubble moved to Staten Island, there was thousands of tonnes of rubble. It can only be expected, logically that some remains would end up there.
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Male 37,888
the "Human Remains" are mostly blood stained chunks of building material.
It`s not like they are keeping whole bodies.

When it was possible to identify a body part it was give to families for burial
These are the unidentifiable bits.
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Male 1,455
"If a family wants the remains they should be released to the family....period."

I`m pretty sure it would be a bigger outrage if they decided to randomly hand out unidentified remains...
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Male 37,888

blaming "the politicians" blah blah blah
It`s whiners like this that have complicated the whole thing.
All we needed was a damn statue.
"We want sensitivity..." They mean they want control.

They were gonna do a cool statue of the 3 firefighters raising the flag,
but the stupid liberals said it wasn`t racially diverse enough and got that
cancelled. Yeah, they dragged race into it... idiots.

Meanwhile a guy did build the firefighter statue, but the gov`ment seized it for tax reasons and is trying to sell it. 9/11 Statue


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Male 734
The family should have the remains.
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Male 3,364
Meh. There was only a small handful of 9/11 victims families objected to that old design. See, this is old news. The design has already been changed.
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Male 161
What? I skipped through it and now I`m just confused...
"Our rights as parents and relatives are being removed" by another religion building a mosque? Wth?

Then they talked about the mosque *at* ground zero while showing images of people jumping out of the WTC on 9/11 and hitting the ground.

I feel like this was more disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 that their deaths can be used in such a manner.
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Male 1,122
If a family wants the remains they should be released to the family....period.
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Male 773
They mad?
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Male 1,455
And on their next meeting they`ll make sure that the innocent civilians killed in the middle east by american troops get a proper burial too.
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Female 196
This is the kind of stuff the media would have a field day with...but it`s kind of up to these women to contact the media. I honestly believe they should.

This is disgusting! Human remains don`t really belong in a museum when there are loved ones who want to give these people a proper burial.
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Male 2,796
"Victims"?? It`s ridiculous when I come across people who believe they are the only people affected by 9/11 and that they should get special treatment.

What about all the service members who have been wounded or killed as a result of war propagated by 9/11? What about all the families affected by that? What about all the people/civilians killed by the aforementioned wars?

What about all the huge life changes and policy and laws that were brought on because of 9/11? How about fuel prices?

Screw the goddamn memorial. We don`t need another statue. All I saw were a bunch of cackling hens bitching and moaning about nothing.

If a few are victims, we all are.
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Male 102
the government doesn`t want you to remember
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Male 3,745
people are still angry about this stuff? who cares just build w/e you are going to build and be done with it. its a MEMORIAL its not like the planes are the reason the towers fell anyway. getting angry at putting a mosque there is unreasonable and if anything you should be more upset about the TOWERS being rebuilt...we did kill our own people...
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Male 1,291
blah blah blah, "I`m outraged" blah blah blah. ...can somebody please summarize?
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Female 3,001
i dunno, i thought it sounded al-right. maybe id feel different if one of my family members was one of the victims though, im not sure
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Female 2,027
i dont get it, i think the waterfalls and trees is nice
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Male 17,512
Link: 9/11 Victims Outraged About Memorial [Rate Link] - Why is the media not covering these details ?
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