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41 Responses to Truth Behind Valentine`s Day

  1. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2011 at 11:48 am
    Link: Truth Behind Valentine`s Day - Do you know what your really celebrating today?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 8:09 am
    I can tell you are single cobrakiller lol
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2011 at 8:20 am
    Didn`t watch the vid, but I know who St Valentine was. Roman soldiers were not permitted to marry. Valentine performed marriage ceremonies for them illegally, and was jailed for it. Not sure if he was executed since I got this from a children`s book.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 8:39 am
    lando, yes he was. he is considered a martyr.

    angelmassb, yes i am, but not a bitter one. I just thought this was funny.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 14, 2011 at 9:10 am
    according to Wikipedia...

    "Saint Valentine (in Latin, Valentinus) is the name of several (14 in all) martyred saints of ancient Rome. The name "Valentine", derived from valens (worthy, strong, powerful), was popular in Late Antiquity. Of the Saint Valentine whose feast is on February 14, nothing is known except his name and that he was buried at the Via Flaminia north of Rome on February 14. It is even uncertain whether the feast of that day celebrates only one saint or more saints of the same name. For this reason this liturgical commemoration was not kept in the Catholic calendar of saints for universal liturgical veneration as revised in 1969. But "Martyr Valentinus the Presbyter and those with him at Rome" remains in the list of saints proposed for veneration by all Catholics."
    A long winded way of saying "Phuck if I know"
  6. Profile photo of sidewyz8
    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 9:39 am
    I love those little chalky hearts
  7. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 10:32 am
    According to wiki: "The day first became associated with romantic love in the circle of Geoffrey Chaucer in the High Middle Ages, when the tradition of courtly love flourished."

    So it`s been around longer than 1963.
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2011 at 10:37 am
    I`mm with sidewyz8. In fact, i think we need a whole week to celebrate those chalky stale hearts!
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    scoomanchoo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 11:27 am
    CrakrJak you stupid idiot, nobody quotes wikipedia
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    scoomanchoo Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 11:28 am
    Also, sorry for calling you a stupid idiot
  11. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    The "goat sacrifices" referred to was Lupercalia, which wasn`t about goat sacrifices (although a goat was sacrificed at the beginning of it). It was a Roman fertility ritual for the beginning of spring, held between the 13th and 15th of February. Given that usurpring and corrupting the holy days of existing religions, especially Roman ones, was a key policy of the early Christian church, it`s certainly plausible that they did it against Lupercalia as well. Lupercalia was a big thing in Rome itself. It was ancient then, a link to the very origins of Rome at a time when Rome was changing rapidly and had been changed by external cultural influences.

    It might just be coincidence, but I doubt it.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    That wasnt funny
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    very true-citing Wikipedia is a big No-No
  14. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    Once again Angilion spouts some more Christian conspiracy theory. He believes Christians have `stolen` everything from other cultures and is conspiring to convert everyone.
  15. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    @Crackrjak

    Just in case, I`m sorry if we have accounts of events that predate Christianity as well as written letters of several Catholic bishops confirming the policy of co-opting established pagan traditions to promote ease of transition to Christianity. Facts are such offensive things aren`t they? We should ban them.
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    lol-ish
  17. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    Volsunga: Catholicism does not encompass all of Christianity, so your argument is moot.

    That`s exactly what Angilion tries to do, blame all Christians based on what a pope or a few bishops may have done several hundred years ago.
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    lizbian_2 Female 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    *you`re
  19. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    @CrackrJak
    I never claimed Catholicism did encompass all of Christianity. It is irrelevant which denomination did the deed of assimilating the pagan holidays. If you celebrate that holiday, you are "guilty" (not that I`m making a moral judgment of it being wrong to `steal` a holiday). It doesn`t make you `evil` to celebrate a holiday based on pagan traditions, all it does is make you unoriginal.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    February 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm
    Yes the everyday commercialism of further propagating of the manufacturing and service industry to make money.
  21. Profile photo of polybius
    polybius Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 7:36 pm
    I thought this was something people already knew.
  22. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm
    Volsunga: Catholicism does not encompass all of Christianity, so your argument is moot.

    It did back then, though.

    You can do as much as you like to create a false history. You`ll probably have at least some degree of success with your revisionist propaganda.

    But you can`t change what was actually true. You can`t say I`m wrong, because I can prove I`m right. All you can do is make some more propaganda.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    Once again Angilion spouts some more Christian conspiracy theory. He believes Christians have `stolen` everything from other cultures and is conspiring to convert everyone.

    There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy.

    I haven`t said that Christians have stolen everything from other cultures. You`re just saying that because you can`t counter what I`m actually written.

    There`s a difference between conspiring to convert everyone and stating proven truths.

    I don`t want people to just believe me and accept me as all-knowing. I do want people to check things for themselves and not just accept what they`re told by people who want to create a false history to promote their ideology.
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    5ofclubs Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    The first 10 seconds of that video is hilarious
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    `There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy."

    Nice lie, Angilion.

    "You can`t say I`m wrong, because I can prove I`m right. "

    And yet, Angilion relies on verbal abuse instead of evidence.
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    BoredIAm Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2011 at 11:53 pm
    Where do I apply to get my four minutes back?
  27. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:08 am
    Angilion: It did back then, though.

    No, Not really. Eastern Orthodoxy and African Christianity were separate from Catholicism even then.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:22 am
    No, Not really. Eastern Orthodoxy and African Christianity were separate from Catholicism even then.

    The policy started at least as far back as the early 2nd century, although it didn`t gain much ground until well into the 3rd. There were regional differences, but it`s debateable whether they could be considered seperate that far back.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:27 am
    `There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy."

    Nice lie, Angilion.

    Ah, so now you`re arguing that Christians were lying and all the Christian holy days that are on the same days as the holy days of the religions Christianity was trying to replace were just strange coincidences.

    Your argument is not compelling, especially as the only evidence you have for it is that you want it to be true.

    "You can`t say I`m wrong, because I can prove I`m right. "

    And yet, Angilion relies on verbal abuse instead of evidence.

    That`s not verbal abuse outside of your deluded little mind.

    *That`s* verbal abuse. Get someone to explain the difference to you.

    Once again, you are making stuff up to suit yourself and ignoring reality.

    You have no evidence backing you up - that`s why you didn`t even try to prove me wrong.
  30. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:32 am
    Here`s a challenge:

    Name a significant Christian holy day that definitely wasn`t made as a replacement for a holy day for a religion that Christianity was trying to replace at the time that the Christian holy day was put into place.

    There must be some. At least 1 or 2. Surely at least 1.
  31. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:43 am
    Angilion: Paul`s letters at the time to the Ephesians, Colossians, Romans, Thessalonians, Galatians, Phillipians, Corinthians and the others all point to different churches from the very beginning. Yes, Some joined together and eventually came to be known as Catholicism, Others joined and became Eastern Orthodox, etc.

    Seriously, If you are going to debate Christianity at least know the bible man.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:51 am
    Angilion: Easter, Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Ascension Day, Pentecost.

    Need I give more ?

    And before you try and tell me Easter usurped some pagan spring ritual, might I remind you that Easter is concurrent with the the Jewish holiday of Passover which pre-dates any Roman holiday you care to list.
  33. Profile photo of fuzzgrimly
    fuzzgrimly Male 13-17
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    February 15, 2011 at 1:43 am
    Lol @ CrackrJak who believes that paganism started with the Romans. What a dumb douche.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 2:26 am
    fuzzgrimly: Paganism - It is primarily used in a historical context, referring to Greco-Roman polytheism as well as the polytheistic traditions of Europe.

    The root word of Paganism is from Latin paganus.

    Sure there were other polytheistic religions before the Romans, but `Paganism` certainly does belong to Greco-Roman times.

    I`ll accept your apology anytime.
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    February 15, 2011 at 3:41 am
    Anyone point out how ugly chicky-doodle is?
  36. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    February 15, 2011 at 6:07 am
    @CrackrJak
    Easter is the most pagan holiday (aside from Halloween) that is still celebrated. I challenge you to find a Christian etymology for the name and traditions. OEster was a Celtic fertility goddess who was worshiped around the spring equinox and whose symbols were rabbits, chickens, and eggs. There are no passover traditions present in modern Easter celebration except a special sermon or mass when you attend church.

    Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and Palm Sunday are all Christian assimilation of Passover and the preparation thereof.

    As for "Paganism", by your argument, there is also no such thing as the Greeks before the Romans, because the word comes from Latin. Greeks call themselves Hellenes. Concepts can exist before the language is invented. "Pagan" (which literally means peasant) is used to describe any number of pre-Christian (and non Abrahamic) religions regardless of era or location.
  37. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    Volsunga: Did I not state the term Greco-Roman ? Latin comes from the region we now know as Italy, aka `Roman`. The root word for `Pagan` did not exist before then.

    As for `Easter` it was known as `Resurrection Day` in the early church. The pagan celebrated the first day of spring March 21st, But Easter is celebrated with the timing of Passover after the first day of spring.

    The bunnies, eggs, etc.. all that is really a secularism of Easter to sell things. Much the same as Christmas and Valentines Day has been secularized.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    And before you try and tell me Easter usurped some pagan spring ritual, might I remind you that Easter is concurrent with the the Jewish holiday of Passover which pre-dates any Roman holiday you care to list.

    And I remind you that Easter was the name of a pre-Christian fertility festival at the same time of the year, particularly associated with fertility symbols such as rabbits(*) and eggs, named after a god associated with fertility. She was female, hence the emphasis on eggs as a symbol of fertility.

    She wasn`t a Roman god. Further north in Europe in this case. Christianity didn`t *only* take over Roman religious days. That was just the main target in the earliest days because that`s where the main power was.

    * It was originally hares, but the same point applies.
  39. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Regarding the regional churches, I think my original statement is valid:

    There were regional differences, but it`s debateable whether they could be considered seperate that far back.

    Seriously, If you are going to debate Christianity at least know the bible man.

    Care to address the words I actually wrote?

    You don`t even know where your holy days came from, so you`re in no position to be making statements like that.
  40. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 15, 2011 at 9:40 pm
    Angilion: And as I stated before it was known as Easter it was called `Resurrection Day`. You seem to be equating things that were pre-Catholic as pre-Christian and that is simply not the same.

    Also, I`ll reiterate that Easter, as we know it, is celebrated weeks to more than a month later than March 21st. depending on the lunar cycle. In fact this year it`s on April 24th.
  41. Profile photo of Samsquanch
    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    February 17, 2011 at 4:13 am
    Merph...I`m CrakrJak, I`m pissing on teh interwebs!

    Dude, relax. Yes, human civilization has been around for about 4000 years longer than Christianity. Yes, human deity worship has been around for about 198,000 years longer than Christianity. We gets it.

    The Christian Feast of the Resurrection happens to coincide with the Jewish Passover. Jewish Passover happens to take place on the first Sabbath after the first full moon after the vernal equinox (as the Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar, and the solar-lunar cycle is fairly constant of about 13-odd lunar cycles to 1 solar cycle, they fall at about the same time every year).

    The feast of Oestra, the goddess of fertility, happens to fall on the first full moon of the vernal equinox.

    Cadbury decided to cash in on the fact that many people spent time together for the Christian feast, and the Jewish feast (encompassing about 98% of North Americans), that they decided to sell more candies.

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