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  1. Profile photo of Johnny_Blaze
    Johnny_Blaze Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    Link: Iraqi Father Killed His Daughter In Honor Killing - When does religion take it too far?
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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    I am going to start calling my dates Honor Rapings.
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    HamilTaco Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Tradition, not religion.
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    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    Man, Islam is the worst religion ever. It`s supposedly the "religion of peace," yet how many people have been ruthlessly murdered in the name of Allah? I think muslims need to wake up. You can call them extremists, but the extremists make up the majority, it seems! With no unifying leadership, who`s to say that the extremists aren`t practicing the true faith, and the american born pacifist muslims are just dissidents?
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    These are common in the middle east, why should you be surprised its hitting here too? (Or starting to get noticed)
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    Aeladil Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    Unfortunately, it is not just Muslims who perform so-called "honor killings", they happen in various other faiths as well. Trajic but it helps to remember that just because SOME members of a faith participate in them, does not mean ALL members of the faith condone those actions.
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    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Unfortunately, only the muslim killings seem to be getting coverage on the news... oh right, that`s because it happens on a regular basis.
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    Darkhumour Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    well according to the muslim faith apostatsy is punishable by death how ever she didn`t forsake her religion.
  9. Profile photo of RPGillespie
    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    Oh, and just to preempt all the counter-attackers, yes, I know the Catholic church killed a lot of people in the name of God as well during the cursades. And guess what? They were the worst religion of their time as well. They were dissidents. Effectively, they were the church of Satan, happily carrying out his bidding of murder and plunder.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    Always?

    No I`m just kidding.

    Sometimes...obviously this is a cherrypicked example.


    Christian Church donates $ X to "Insert Charity Program"
    When does religion take it too far?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    I don`t get it.

    The dumb asses escape from the ghetto of their home land and do everything they can to drag that ghetto with them here.

    He doesn`t want a wersternized daughter so he chooses to raise her in the western world.... dur
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    And I`d like to point out that the Crusades happened in the 13th drating century.
    Christianity has changed a lot since then.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm
    "Becoming too Westernized? Then why the hell did he move his family here? What did he think was going to happen? Hope he rides the lightning.
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    Dagaz20 Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:30 pm
    bored
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    but the extremists make up the majority, it seems!

    No, that is definitely not true. If it was, I`d change my career to weapons development.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    this is not news, happens often here in sweden.
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    sum33 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    lol he looks kinda like zach galafanakis
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    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    @catbarf....sooooo do i still seem conservative to you? just cuz i`m a leftist doesn`t mean i cream at the thought of equal rights for everyone, muslims are DRATTING stupid and they refuse to get with the times.

    other than that, this is old news, read this in my local weekly like 6 months ago.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    Old news.
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    evanstonian8 Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    So striking the mother of his daughter`s lover was a two-fer?? I can`t think of a better place for this remorseless murderer.
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    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    @RPGillespie:
    the muslims in america act peaceful and docile because their population is under 1%, you have to wait until the get to 5% before their antics get a bit more *ahem* tactful.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    This what religious "values" do to weak minded people.
  23. Profile photo of RPGillespie
    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    @darklord - amen, brother. amen.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    "This what religious `values` do to weak minded people."

    From what I understand, "honor killings" are part of the Middle East culture, and NOT part of Islam. But, I could be wrong on that.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    Well, he kept his honor. I guess.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    All cultures are equal. Who are we to condemn his culture and say our way is superior? At least that`s what the liberals tell me.
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    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    @Rick - newsflash - the middle eastern culture is defined by Islam!
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    quick1dunkno Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm
    this has nothing to do with islam.. rather its contradictory... nor does it have to do with culture either it only has to do with some people being super crackpots.. as can be seen all over the world
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    quick1dunkno Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm
    an, Islam is the worst religion ever. It`s supposedly the "religion of peace," yet how many people have been ruthlessly murdered in the name of Allah? I think muslims need to wake up. You can call them extremists, but the extremists make up the majority, it seems! With no unifying leadership, who`s to say that the extremists aren`t practicing the true faith, and the american born pacifist muslims are just dissidents?

    typical retard.. islam condones such actions as done by this man.. infact the command to not kill your daughters were one of the earliest commands islam gave to mankind , although it was due to pagan traditions ( nothing to do with honor ) but the command applies either way
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    kingpong Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    This is a map that shows where some form of Islam is dominant.

    If you`ll notice most of it isn`t the Middle East. There are huge differences between Middle Eastern culture and all of those other places` cultures, just as there are huge differences between North and South America even though we`re both predominantly Christian. And if most Muslims were terrorists we`d all be dead. 9/11 had roughly a 20:3000 death ratio. It doesn`t take John Nash to figure out this math.
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    kingpong Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    And why would you bring your daughter away from the Middle East to America if you want her to stay Middle-Eastern and not Westernized?
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    sparklezthek Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    "this has nothing to do with islam.. rather its contradictory... nor does it have to do with culture either it only has to do with some people being super crackpots.. as can be seen all over the world"


    amen.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm
    I vote that we put his balls in a vice until they pop, and then keep going. Then we find a way to (without actually killing anybody innocent) kill someone/thing that looks significantly like his wife in front of him and then drown him. Sounds about fair. Stupid bastard. (again, not actually kill somebody in front of him, perhaps convince him it is his wife somehow and use special effects to shoot an actor or something)
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    @quick1dunkno
    Are you kidding me? People like this make up an extremely small minority in Islam. That`s like hearing one story about some Christians who prayed to God to keep their daughter healthy (who later died) and saying all Christians are like that.
    Besides, there are many places in the Bible which also allow you to kill if someone doesn`t follow your religion. You son is gay? Kill him, God doesn`t like that sh*t. Don`t generalize a religion because of a few separated instances.
  35. Profile photo of RPGillespie
    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    Spartakitty - Islam seems to be the biggest problem causer on the entire planet. In theory, it`s a religion of peace, just like in theory, communism is the answer to any struggling society. In both cases, Satan is trying to enslave humans through social engineering.
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    Thank you SpartaKitty! The problem with these horrible, negative stories getting so much press is that people believe all the stereotypes and don`t want to actually learn about the culture, religion and people in general. It`s so much easier to say "oh he`s a crazy woman hating Muslim" than it is to actually do some research and or talk to people of the Muslim faith to try to understand their way of life. This doesn`t just apply to Islam of course.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm
    Some crazy people in the world!
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    kingpong Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    RPG, well seeing as how heart disease, stroke, and respiratory infections are the top three causes of death in the world and that traffic accidents account for more deaths than violence of any sort, I`d say that Islam isn`t really that much of a problem. And I always thought the devil tried to enslave us through musical challenges.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    @ kingpong

    Nice map.
    Now I suggest all those "peacefull" muslims in the green area do something about the Red area because they are giving them a really bad name. And doing nothing is a `silent endorsement`.

    They need to step up to the plate or get wiped away with the rest of them.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:52 pm
    SPARTAKITTY: I can give you link to a list of hundreds of women that have been victims of `Honor killings`, Some of them have happened right here in the USA. There are also many more attempted honor killings and maimings. This is not an "extremely small minority in Islam".

    I`m not saying it`s representative of the majority of islam either, but it is a significant portion. Permission of honor killings are written in the koran, It`s much more than just cultural.
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    Actually Honor killing happened before the creation of the Islamic religion. Is there any way to prevent honor killing.
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    kingpong Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    @Gerry, The red and green are actually just Shia and Sunni distributions. But yeah, everyone needs to step up, even though it`s hard. I try to do the same thing by pointing out every chance I get that Richard Dawkins is a douche and not representative of the atheist community. But it`s hard to get press coverage when you are a reasonable/rational human being.
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    wow
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    The bible gives justification to kill your children over a number of circumstances. He was just following his faith...

    Stupid religions.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    "she was acting against Iraqi and Muslim values"


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    shappy Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    kind of weird how i was watching Dexter as i read this
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    You can stone your wife for adultery according to the bible.
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    FoSchizle Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    @TheShgn2

    Bull crap. Try reading the New Testament once in awhile.

    "Let you who is without sin cast the first stone."
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:48 pm
    Dear Immigrant, Check your Baggage at the Door.

    You are an AMERICAN now. Not an Iraqi American, not an Indian American, Not an Asian American.

    Just American.

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 7:49 pm
    Put him in Prison with all the convicted guards from Abu Ghraib.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    so let me get this straight. He moved his family from iraq (an eastern country) to the USA (a western country) and worried his daughter was becoming too westernized? Didnt he westernize them when he brought them here?

    I wish i could get on that jury.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2011 at 8:39 pm
    Freaking mentality of people. It`s just like in Hawaii. People come here because they want to embellish living in Polynesian paradise, and like the old way. Then what do they do! They want to make changes to how it was, and bring their cultural ways and change it.

    Your coming from your old world to a new world for a reason. If you can`t adapt to the new ways get the freak out. Give him to me. We`ll take him shark fishing.
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    hopeislost Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm
    @spartakitty....Your absolutely right...and people forget or just ignore the millions of deaths that christianity is repsonsible for...so easy to overlook that though isn`t it? How bout the ridiculous amount of kids that are killed by a parent every year that aren`t connected to islam at all. What the hell does it matter what religion people are or what country they live in...there`s people killing their kids everywhere but no...lets put the spotlight on religion and the Islamic father who killed his kid...killing your kid is f###ed no matter where you live or what religion you follow...f###ing bulls##t
  54. Profile photo of RPGillespie
    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    Yeah, but the funny thing is that somehow I knew this dude was going to be Islamic before even clicking the link. I was like "what, some crazy dude `honor` killed his daughter? Only muslims are that extreme."
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    Religion. Sh*t it, in all its forms. We needed it centuries ago. We`ve grown up since.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    Actually it`s only called an "honor killing" when Muslims do it.

    When a Muslims kills his wife for cheating. "Honor killing". Do people kill their wives for cheating otherwise? *Hell yes*.

    Where are the epidemics of this kind of thing?

    #1 Admittedly Pakistan.
    #2 India, most prevalent in non Muslim districts like Haryana (96% non Muslim).
    #3 Brazil.

    I`d also like to point out to the guy who "knew he was Muslim". Did you go "oh, hey, I was wrong about my preconceptions, and have been a complete dumbass" when you read this story?

    Somehow I doubt it.
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    lukeforv123 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    Too Westernized? Then get the hell outta America
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    Since there is a link between some(albeit distorted) interpretations of Islam and honour killings, I don`t think it should be ignored because it seem unpleasant to do so.

    It also doesn`t help to respond with, "Oh yeah? Well what about (insert historic atrocity here)?!" That`s just a diversion and it doesn`t make the problem being addressed less disturbing.

    As a world community, stuff like this needs to be addressed, and I think it should be addressed with open eyes.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:54 pm
    Westernized? When did being an American against being a Muslim. If this is true, then get out. Simple. You may call it an honor killing, we call it murder. I hope your soul belongs to Allah cause your ass belongs to your new roomate.

    So now go bend over and find east.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Also as always I disagree with Crakr, which should come as no surprise as he disagrees with himself, and even uses *my* arguments defending the Quran, when he defends the Bible.

    You see, he agrees with them all, just not when it`s inconvenient.

    Isn`t that right Crakr?

    (This is the point where you run to a random Islamic hate site and post a list of something I`ve already refuted).

    Maybe a list of 8 quotes from a single source?
    Maybe a list of honor killings that conveniently leave out all the killings in Christian Majority South America? drat, Brazil only outlawed the idea of "killing for honor" in 1991.

    I`ve never called anyone anything this heinous, but... you`re a Conservapedia reader arent you?
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    jbwhite Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:58 pm
    Meh, world is f*cked, what ya gonna do? Me, imma inhale some burning plants.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 10:59 pm
    Manorrd:

    A distraction would be say focusing on Black Murderers rather than Murder.

    The distraction is focusing on about 50% of the problem (Muslim Honor killings), rather than the whole problem (Honor Killings).

    Seriously. Look up the rates in South America. By terming it a Muslim problem, you ignore a huge swathe of the actual problem.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:05 pm
    This is so terribly sad. He was on suicide watch? Let him off himself and save us- and the judicial system a whole lot of grief. I can`t look at my father and imagine him driving his vehicle into me because I had `shamed him`. Religious pressures aside- there is something WRONG with you when you can bring yourself to do that.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:10 pm
    damn I`m almost empty for hope in mankind.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:16 pm
    This is as much cultural as religious, from the sound of it the chap has mental health issues.
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    RPGillespie Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    @Baalthazaq -- Of course not. As soon as I saw the word "German," I instantly knew he was not muslim, because the majority of germans are good upstanding and non-violent citizens. The keyword in this article is "Iraqi" which instantly means that the person is muslim.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    @Baalthazaq

    My point is that I don`t think it`s helpful to avoid, say, in your example, the problem of "black murders" by ignoring the issue (in the US, many black community members have tried to address this specific issue, without worrying about addressing "murders" in generalities).

    I further disagree with lumping "murders" into one, big, inclusive category, because it`s more comfortable to do so.

    I never said that honour killings was solely a Muslim problem, but I`m not going to ignore the problem within Islam and its connection to honour killings because it`s uncomfortable. That doesn`t mean that it`s not a problem in S.A. or India, or wherever.

    Some of the proud people of the Inuit community, years ago, would cast the elderly out on ice flows to die. They addressed the issue, and don`t do this anymore. To ignore the issue by saying "people kill each other all the time in other parts of the world...this i
  68. Profile photo of manorrd
    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    continued...

    ...To ignore the issue by saying "people kill each other all the time in other parts of the world...this is being racist..whatever" is not an honest approach.
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    jombre Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:27 pm
    This is not exactly related, but it sure does suck being an atheist.

    When religion does something nice, such as a church donating a large sum of money to a charitable cause or a theist doing something altruistic, people like to comment: "Aren`t theists such nice people?", "Religion can really bring smiles and wonder to the world.".

    When religion causes something terrible like wars or incidents like this, theists can casually side-step the issue. "He was mentally ill.", "He wasn`t a true !"

    Atheists have it bad on both sides. When an atheistic organisation or individual does something good, you can`t comment: "They did it completely out of the goods of their hearts, without the promise of heaven!"

    When an atheist does something terrible, people blame the atheism. (Even though it`s a non-belief) "Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist, typical atheist scum!".
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm
    ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    Silly people
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    Lol @ baal... looks like yet again he`s trying to worm his way out admitting that honor killings are another thing very wrong about islam.

    The article is clear.

    Honor killings occur in different places and can be a result of a religion other than islam, but when it comes down to it it`s murder as mandated by a dogma and thus it can be immediately rejected.

    You might kill someone who slept with your spouse (if you`re crazy), but you`re told to do it by a book then you`re more likely to commit that murder. (That`s not what this is anyway)

    The only justification for murder is as an absolute last resort to prevent other murders.

    The extremist musilim middle east wonders if it will ever catch up to the west in development and thus hates it. It will never do so long as it maintains its perpetual dark age rejecting the most basic human values.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    One of the risks you take when you immigrate into a new country is that your family may adopt the culture. Another one of the risks you take is that you, yourself, may not.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 12:13 am
    Honor killings happen i many cultures. The western as well as the middle eastern. There are many examples of honor killings in white- protestant groups. Our honor is connected to material things, more than spiritual - white male feel their honor is violated when they are in debt, loose their job or their wives leave them. Hence the killing of collegues as well as spouses and children. The honor is lost, and killing takes place - honor killing. We only value honor in other material things than the islamic/protestant/catholic supression of women, because money is our "new religion" but the male "pride" mechanisms connected to rage are the same.
  75. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 12:19 am
    I`m not going to pretend Manorrd that your statement rings true.

    The result of concentrating on Black crime rather than crime is quite clear.

    Results in certain cases are that Blacks can commit a crime less than whites, and be arrested 13 times more.

    They then go on the news 13 times more, and the stereotype is reinforced.

    So spare me the importance of focusing. What it means is that the problem is not dealt with adequately. This is far from the only example.

    Now. Would you like to move on to why they`re called crimes of passion when they`re not Muslim?

    Please explain why this is helpful. (Lazyme can explain the same thing while he`s at it. P.S. Good luck terming crimes of passion a result of dogma).
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    cheezcake117 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 12:45 am
    All religions are detrimental to the progress of humanity, yes usually its only the extremists who cause problems but the thing is that there will always be extremists as long as religion exists, the only way to rid the world of religious extremists is to rid the world of religion. And the only way i see that as possible is the encouragement of atheism or at least agnosticism in younger generations until it dies out
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 1:01 am
    @Baalthazaq Once again another diversion to distract from the topic at hand.

    Based on your link, it seems that black people in the U.S. smoke less pot but get arrested more.

    This now proves that we`re merely being mislead by stereotypes regarding honour killings within the Muslim community :-/

    Forget the fact that Islamic people within the Arab, Pakistani, etc. community, have addressed the issue themselves, and appealed to the world community for help.

    I maintain that the problem is not dealt with adequately if you let some fear of stereotyping ignore the existence of the problem.

    For instance, many people and many cultures discriminate against homosexuals. But gay bashing has also been justified by certain Christian fundamentalists. I am not prepared to ignore the specific, f*cked up, well documented cases of gay bashing within this group. It exists, and it should not be whitewashed.

    Same with honour killings within Islam.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 1:53 am
    @manorrd "Based on your link, it seems that black people in the U.S. smoke less pot but get arrested more."

    Are you sure that there are not other factors contributing to this? For instance that in the US minorities tend to live in more urbanized areas witch typically have larger police forces that specifically target pot smoking?

    I mean if you compare an African American smoking pot in the city to a Causain man smoking pot in the back hills of Virgina who do you think is more likely to get caught? The African American is much more likely to have dealings with law enforcement just because of location alone. Then add into the mix that there are more people around to report you.

    Not that I`m saying discrimination doesn`t ever happen, I just think that people might not take other factors in to account which makes it look worse.
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    Jaedon Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 2:08 am
    Cheezcake117 Said it better than I ever could. Though I`d add that it should be illegal to teach religion to anyone untill 18.. when they can make up their own minds.. `till then it`s just brain washing. =/
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 2:24 am
    Baalthazaq: I see you`re still deflecting, distorting and disingenuous. You can`t deny that honor killing is in the koran, You can`t deny that it`s a rampant problem, So you make claims against other peoples to somehow make islam look not as bad. You did forget that honor killings not only go on in Pakistan and India, but forget to mention Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Bangladesh, and Morocco.

    The view of women as property with no rights of their own is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, and when they move to a new country they don`t leave those beliefs behind them.

    Not some random hate site
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    cheezcake117 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:05 am
    @CrakrJak Yes, there are some violent passages in the Koran. Just like there are violent passages in the bible. Yes honour killings are a rampant problem, so are Christian extremists trying to bomb abortion clinics and sending death threats to doctors and nurses as well as kidnapping, arson and anthrax threats. All religions breed hate in a number of individuals, it may not be everyone who follows the faith. But as long as religion exists there will always be a nutcase warping it for their own agenda and a number of idiots ready to follow them.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:25 am
    cheezcake117: I bet you couldn`t name a handful of `bombed abortion clinics` in the past 5 years.

    On the other hand there were over 5000 incidents of `Honor Killing` just last year, according to Amnesty International.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:32 am
    All religions are moronic bronze age superstitions. I`ve no `respect` for any of them.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 4:36 am
    @Jaedon finally some one with a really solution!
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 4:40 am
    I (kind of) read through the article and just didn`t feel anything. Partly because I saw this happen on Law & Order SVU (love that show), but mostly because I`ve just lost my faith in humanity. I have a hard time believing in things that happened in the bible, but there really need to be another "Noah`s Ark" type flood.
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    Chaos_Bard Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 4:43 am
    I`m going to honor kill all of you for not respectin` the values, yo.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 5:39 am
    @Crakr
    July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.

    September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women`s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.

    April 25, 2007: A package left at a women`s health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.

    May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 8, 2011 at 5:42 am
    Perhaps making the difference between Islam as a religion and islamic cultures would help? I know that forced marriage ( not the same as arranged marriage) is another problem, that is cultural not religious. I am no fan of any religion, but I hate to see them demonised as I do not think it helps at all. All religions have fundamental, murderous idiots, just as they all have people who showcase the best in their religion.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 5:43 am
    (continued)

    December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov roostertail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.

    December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd`s clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.

    January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.

    And that`s only bombings/arson/large property damage of the last 5 years, we could also go into murders, attempted murders, kidnappings, assault, and an anthrax scare.
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    GHudston Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 5:58 am
    "When does religion take it too far?"

    When doesn`t it?
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    DGbME Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 6:38 am
    If you don`t want your child to become "westernized" then DON`T bring them to the West to be raised! duh
    I say let him commit suicide and save the taxpayers a bunch of money while he burns in Hell.
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 7:16 am
    lol @ I IS BORED "Molotov roostertail
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 7:29 am
    Yes this is horrible and so on... But Honor killings are more of a cultural phenomenon than a religious one.. it`s inherent in the name "Honor killing".. Honor is a cultural concept, not a religious one.. So please don`t bash Muslims for poo they didn`t do?..
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 7:31 am
    Tie him up let a dog sodomize him, execute him then wrap him in pig skin and bury him. Then announce anyone who wants to kill in the name of allah this is what happens.
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    Helgarin Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 7:39 am
    Pfft, why not look into the Sunni side of things! :D
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 7:52 am
    He needs some eye for an eye.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:02 am
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:03 am
    Religion? I don`t see Christians killing their own daughters over something like this.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:06 am
    "All religions are detrimental to the progress of humanity, yes usually its only the extremists who cause problems but the thing is that there will always be extremists as long as religion exists,"


    Not religion...ideology. Over the past century, Communism`s done more harm than religion
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    WorldOfJames Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:11 am
    anyone who can kill their own flesh and blood for religion is seriously damaged in the head.
  101. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:15 am
    Not religion...ideology. Over the past century, Communism`s done more harm than religion

    I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:35 am
    Why do you move to America, or any western country if you don`t want your children to become Westernized? Seriously move back to where you came from then.
  103. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:37 am
    @Crakr

    The problem isn`t religion it`s ideology, most Muslims do not agree with the practice.
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    jombre Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 8:44 am
    @Cajun247

    Where does said ideology come from?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 9:00 am
    I really don`t believe that cases like this are limited to Islam.. and I really don`t believe that `shaming Islam` is the real motive....It`s basically a father being a complete control freak and not wanting to be seen as the father who can`t control his children...who they dare to disobey.

    how the drat any father can do this sort of thing is way beyond my understanding or reasoning abilities. When you`re a dad, especially a dad to a little girl, you just want them to be happy and feel loved.

    Some people...of all faiths, social status, and abilities are just animals...like someone else said before, we`re only going to scratch the surface of the real problem whilst there is an ignorance about how this can happen in all walks of life, and not just focus on the times it happens within muslim families.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 9:07 am
    @crakrjak

    "You can`t deny that honor killing is in the koran"


    Is it this bit?


    " If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. "


    Yes, I think that pretty much fits the description of an honor killing doesn`t it? oh, but that`s not the Koran at all is it....
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    handeman77 Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 9:16 am
    When I was working in Iraq, this happened to one of my interpreters, dad killed her for talking to Americans
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 9:30 am
    Just shoot him.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2011 at 9:34 am
    why call it an "honor" killing, should call it " I`m an effing moron and believe the spaghetti monster told me to kill my kids and if i dont then the other guys who believe in the spaghetti monster wont let me play spaghetti monster games with them and i wont get my extra sauce in the afterlife" killing
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    jombre Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 10:34 am
    Another reason why people need to stop believing this stuff.

    It`s a shame some people do terrible things motivated by religious reasons or how some people manage to convince others to do evil through religion.

    We`ve got to weigh the pros and cons. Religion doesn`t offer that many pros and it has way too many cons. So do we really need religion?

    It`s like saying believing in alchemy is okay. It may not hurt people initially, but it can lead to people getting hurt. That`s the word: it CAN lead to pain and suffering.

    Honestly, weigh the pros and cons again. I think that if people stopped believing in a religion a chunk of violence and bigotry in the world would disappear. Not all of it, because religion does not create stupidity; stupidity flocks to religion.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 11:27 am
    KPres: "Religion? I don`t see Christians killing their own daughters over something like this."

    Nah. Just their own sons.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    @jombre

    Are you seriously saying that we should condemn an entire group of people just because of the ideology held by a small portion of it`s members?
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    strange. Where is all the "You need to respect their culture" comments?
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    "You can`t deny that honor killing is in the koran"
    You can`t deny that it`s in the bible, along with slavery, not cutting your hair, not making shirts from blends of cotton AND polyester (:O BLASPHEMY!!), and a lot of other retarded poo
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    If she was too "westernized", then he was too "middle-easternized"
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    jombre Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    @Cajun247

    I`m dismissing an ideology that I find it harmful and brings little to no good. In my argument, just forget about what the religion teaches, who practices it, etc. My argument is not related to those.

    Yes, religion does more harm than good. If you look at the middle east, Christian Africa, Ireland, parts of the US religion brings much sadness. What kindness can religion bring that a lack of religion cannot?

    So it comes to my conclusion that while not all theist are as cruel as the father in this article, I feel that if religion itself is scrapped a lot of people could be saved.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    @jombre


    Religion is a mere victim by those who take advantage of it (i.e. Osama bin Laden, various popes, David Koresh). If we really want to change minds then we shouldn`t insist on changing them over night. That only demonizes them and make them view poorly of us.
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    jombre Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    I suppose you can put it that way. Religion is a hammer that can hammer nails in, but it damages a lot of wood surrounding the nail and it also hurts the hand holding the nail. In other words, it`s a tool that brings more trouble than good.

    You`ve got to look back, how did religion start? It started in a much simpler time when people didn`t understand how many things worked. Religion simply offered them a reason how and why. It`s like cargo cults or volcano-worshiping tribes. When there`s no answer people like to go to religion.

    Fortunately we live in an age where many questions are answered. Religion has outlived it`s usefulness. We do not need it`s moral teachings, (some are questionable like the old testament supporting slavery) and we definitely don`t need it`s "answers".

    I`m no iconoclast, but if the world really wants to keep growing we need to abandon religion. It`s an old-age tradition that brings more problems that it can solve.
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    cheezcake117 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    "Not religion...ideology. Over the past century, Communism`s done more harm than religion"
    I agree, but that doesn`t mean religion isn`t a problem either
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    Jofferwry Female 18-29
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    February 9, 2011 at 7:04 am
    why the hell did he bring his daughter up in america if he didn`t want her to be too `westernised`?
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2011 at 8:44 pm
    "I suppose you can put it that way. Religion is a hammer that can hammer nails in, but it damages a lot of wood surrounding the nail and it also hurts the hand holding the nail. In other words, it`s a tool that brings more trouble than good."

    Am I the only one who did a double-take on this?
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2011 at 2:20 am
    Where does it say he is a muslim. Just curious.
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    myusernamee Male 13-17
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    February 13, 2011 at 9:39 am
    @akabane
    "Almaleki said he was angry at his daughter for becoming "too Westernized" and believed she was acting against Iraqi and Muslim values"

    pretty much says it there.
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    adia1228 Female 30-39
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    February 13, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Sooo, that should be legal, right? Praise alah.
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    nikki_noo Female 18-29
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    February 15, 2011 at 12:54 am
    I agree with Jofferwry. What did he think was gonna happen.

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