America, This Is Why Your Kids Are Dumb #2 [Pic]

Submitted by: goog! 6 years ago in

The 2011 United States budget looks a little off, no?
There are 122 comments:
Male 94
the funny thing about calling it defense when you aren`t actually defending anything. Sure, you make up stuff to actually defend, but not after some very aggressive offense. epic USA is epic. maybe after increasing the education budget the next generation might actually start calling it `military operations`
0
Reply
Male 6
Let me see if I`ve got this right. We can`t reduce defense spending because there are people fighting those wars and we don`t want to cut their jobs. Aside from the frightening point that this also means we can`t ever stop fighting because the war sustains our need for the military jobs, it`s still a stupid ass argument.

You honestly don`t think we might be able to come up with a use for trained military personnel in a non-military fashion? Perhaps instead of blowing poo-tons of money blowing crap up in foreign lands, we can actually start reducing defense spending by re-assigning those personnel to domestic programs re-building our crumbling infrastructure.

Instead of turning federal dollars into bombs and bullets, how about turning them into roads and bridges?
0
Reply
Male 304
Reducing Defense to a Quarter of the budget, While only giving a little bit more room, Would be a significant boon to Education, Energy and Commerce, Three of America`s biggest current deficits.
Then again, I don`t pretend to think it`s that simple, Removing money from defense would put a number of people out of work, and leave the country under-defended in a precarious political time. With all of our troops and utilities spread across the world, we are somewhat naked in our own domain.
Back to the the first hand, if w e increased Education and Commerce, we wouldn`t have nearly so many enemy`s, and creating a steady energy alternative would bring in funds from neighboring and friendly country`s.
Well, this is certainly a deep hole we`ve dug ourselves into. But, If I know anything about people and time, We`ll find something more pressing to worry about in the next decade or so, and it will all pass quietly into memory.
0
Reply
Male 1,341
Public schools need help anyway. I went through my entire high school career just worrying about the party on Friday, what to do after school, and my job. Got kicked out of the house at 17 so I dropped out of high school to work full time then a few years later went back to discover I only had 2 credits remaining and they agreed to just give me a test to obtain my diploma. Glad I didn`t piss away an entire senior year when all it took was a test.

The military just crammed the French language into my head in 4 months and I can speak it fluently now... I have friends who took 4 years of it in high school and they can`t speak nearly as well as I can.
0
Reply
Male 1,341
Betardfooser... You`re an idiot. Yea, lets dismantle our military. I wonder what would happen if the world caught wind that we were doing away with our military hmmm.... Yea you`re probably right.. Nothing. <<Sarcasm
0
Reply
Male 558
@Batmanners: You think we were attacked by an outside entity, you`re so cute....
@phoneybone: I don`t care where it goes, it`s a piss-away either way. DISMANTLE THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!
0
Reply
Male 1,744
see, why don`t you people understand that there`s PEOPLE in the military not just tanks, planes, and machines in the military. A large (dunno how much, but a fair chunk) of that Defense budget is these poeple`s WAGES!!!!! not just more money for aircraft...although that too is budgeted. People think large defense budget just means more war, no!!! it means the young folks (I used to be one) working hard every day in our military get`s a PAY RAISE!!!! And who doesn`t like a pay raise? And before you bitch and yell, we`re not talking a biggie, we`re talking the lowest of the low (E-1, enlisted rank 1, i.e. Private) go from $1350/month to $1400/month. SO SHUT THE FCUK UP YOU STUPID FAGGOT LIBERALS WHO DON`T RESEARCH WHERE THE MONEY GOES!!!!
0
Reply
Male 4,004
"more like thats why no one attacks us."

Remember 9/11? Just a little example off the top o my head.
0
Reply
Male 531
nice
0
Reply
Male 541
more like thats why no one attacks us.
0
Reply
Male 684
@jedigoalie-I do not think you understand the correlation between technology and education. The money we spend on defense is mostly for super sophisticated hardware created by, you guessed it, highly educated people. Also, ignorance has caused the current economic catastrophe, and should be considered the enemy within...in a sense education is defense! But technically i do concede that you are indeed correct sir:)
0
Reply
Female 70
What/Who is the source of this graph?

Every power not Specifically granted to the Federal government is the domain of the individual state--including Education. By offering funding for education based on performance (No Child Left Behind) or withholding federal funds for lack of performance, the Fed is outside the Constitution and should be prosecuted for breach of Constitutional Law.

Cause we all know THAT`ll Happen when no one cares to read the Constitution or learn what it says...they just take the word of total strangers who post pie graphs to push their own agenda using statistics that could have come from anywhere. But then, that`s why America is so dumb...
0
Reply
Male 4
Education is a state and local matter, to be funded by state and local budgets. Providing for the common defense, on the other hand, is in fact one of the primary roles of the federal government, as stated in the Constitution.
0
Reply
Male 2,688
@neosophist

You, sir, win the whole damn Internet.....


0
Reply
Male 138
Eh. Everyones reading the chart wrong, its really a big zero. And the defense budget is worth more of nothing than education.
0
Reply
Female 1,048
Goodness - what a mixed up world we live in!
0
Reply
Male 265
"Yeah that`s a big problem. There`s too much money going to education. Schools should be treated more like a business. If schools aren`t doing their jobs properly, the students may transfer out. This will encourage teachers to be more on their toes, or they`ll be out of a job; like any job where you don`t do your job properly.
/rant"

Ok, give me 5 classes of algebra students who are not learning English for the first time nor are they dealing on the street-corner after school and we have a deal. Also, for the record nothing keeps you "on your toes" like random kids pulling knives in the classroom (guns are too expensive for many of these kids).
0
Reply
Male 4,004
Bitchin` about education. The entire concept of sending kids to school is a weird brainwash. There is a way to teach, but sending kids to school for 12 years and have them do 10% learning, 40% absolutely useless projects and 50% nothing (WASTE OF TIME) is not the best way to educate ANYBODY. Everybody learns differently...okay. I grasped additions and subtractions in grade 1. Grade 3, multiplications and divisions. Grade 8 begun algebra, which went through to grade 12 (all math derives somehow from algebra after grade 8). Somehow I believe that I could have learned all this stuff much faster had it been taught without the requirement for bullcrap in between. Bullcrap like Phys. Ed, Social Studies, History...many many many more. In elementary I didn`t need those classes, they taught nothing useful.

Teach faster, get these kids smart, then give them 2 years off, send them to college at 15yo, have them working at age 20... It`s possible and actually useful.
0
Reply
Female 3,562
Well, to be fair, having the best goddamn educated people in the world doesn`t mean poo if you don`t have a military to defend it.
0
Reply
Male 2,703
just realized that graph doesn`t show current percents....

current percents:
Corn 35%
Cotton 17%
Wheat 14%
rice <14% (don`t feel like looking it up again)
soybean <14% (don`t feel like looking it up again)
0
Reply
Male 2,703
@IisBored

no, the problem is the government tells everyone to eat lots of grain because they`re pouring out money to the farmers. the fast food industry would suffer just as much from the lack of wheat and corn.



35% to corn for production of ethanol, feed, and sadly HFCS; and wheat should not be the 3rd highest, just behind cotton...notice fruits/veggies don`t get any (little) subsidies
0
Reply
Male 228
Yeah that`s a big problem. There`s too much money going to defense. The Military should be treated more like a business. If the Military isn`t doing their jobs efficiently, the shouldn`t be rewarded with more money to squander. This will encourage the Military to spend their money with more wisdom and prudence, or they`ll lack funding; like any job where you don`t do your job properly.
/rant
0
Reply
Male 3,625
Yeah that`s a big problem. There`s too much money going to education. Schools should be treated more like a business. If schools aren`t doing their jobs properly, the students may transfer out. This will encourage teachers to be more on their toes, or they`ll be out of a job; like any job where you don`t do your job properly.
/rant
0
Reply
Male 2,419
@IkeRay
So cut funding to actual farms and increase the dependence on fast food? Ya, that will make people thinner.
0
Reply
Male 307
"What`s HHS?"

@godthaab - I would assume it is the Department of Health and Human Services... HHS oversees things like Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, Disability, Child Protective Services, etc. etc. etc.
0
Reply
Male 2,703
this graph would be better translated to:
"This is why you`re fat america"
and point out agriculture has a higher budget than education; protip: we don`t need that much wheat and corn (ie carbohydrates) in such a sedentary country (everyone has a deskjob)

split agriculture into this:
1 to agriculture, 2 to NASA, 1 to education
0
Reply
Male 2,144
Defense is so bloated with pork cuz it`s chockablock full of redundant systems. We`re at war (2 locations) and each branch (marines, navy, air force, army) demands their own weapons designs. Add to that contracting out field and security services to no-bid processes. Stop the wars, stop the insanity of belief that we can impose will on other countries by force.
0
Reply
Male 616
@ randomxnp....coming from Europe, I am indeed impressed! I applaud you.
0
Reply
Male 734
Without a strong defensive budget all the other issues are completely irrelevant. The point in this graph is really quite stupid. I suppose the author is a public school graduate though so that would explain it.
0
Reply
Male 28
@5Cats
Do I believe it? Hell no, I just thought it gave a better view of how that chunk of spending is actually broken up.
0
Reply
Male 220
What`s HHS?
0
Reply
Male 1,293
The fallacy is that education is poor due to low spending.

US educational spending is often ridiculously high (US$25,000 a year??? Insane). Some of the most expensive public education is also some of the worst. The problem is union power (schools run to employ teachers, not to teach children), poor teaching practices advanced by ignorant socialist education "experts" and lack of individual freedom. Where voucher schemes or similar are in place education improves even in the ordinary public schools, as they have competition for pupils and the resources that follow the pupils.
0
Reply
Male 397
"I would rather be stupid than dead.."
Thats what HHS is for.
0
Reply
Male 2,306
Disavowed, that is the single most dumbest thing i`ve ever heard.
0
Reply
Male 662
Come on this post is ridiculous... defense budget is top priority in every country....
0
Reply
Male 537
Building tanks and assembling the strongest, most technologically advanced military in the world requires a little more money than teaching kids. Besides, does this include military education? What about the millions and millions worth of donations going to colleges every year?

/trolled.
0
Reply
Male 626
I would rather be stupid than dead..
0
Reply
Male 1,021
So HHS is the problem?
0
Reply
Female 1
Speaking of dumb: if you actually believe the entire (or even good portion of the) defense budget makes it into military operations / personnel costs, you`re kind of an idiot.
0
Reply
Male 24
If they would abolish the Departments of HHS, Labor, Commerce, Social Security, Education, and demand that each state take it upon themselves to protect and educate their citizens (instead of everyone waiting for the liberals in Big Government to just hand them things they haven`t earned) this country would begin to move in the right direction.
0
Reply
Male 72
@Wtfidklol

Those brown people want to kill you for a reason
0
Reply
Male 17
You might not realize that defense spending is a US obligation to allies such as Japan, S. Korea and NATO countries who are either too small to have militaries or for other diplomatic reasons. I`d blame the culture for education failures considering education spending has been increasing ever since education performance has been decreasing.
0
Reply
Male 759
if you believe this graph then THAT is why you`re dumb. HHS is the largest chunk, not defense. And of course the defense budget is big, think of all the people in the army alone, who do you think pays those people? It`s not like their living well either, a lot of enlisted families are on wellfare. So, yes it`s a big portion of the budget, but it also employs millions of people.
0
Reply
Male 136
divide that defense budget in 3 equal parts.

keep one for defense, add one to education, and add one to NASA, and you are set with a good budget :)
0
Reply
Male 193
You guys, we can`t focus on our children`s education.

NOT WHEN BROWN PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET WANT TO KILL US!
D=
0
Reply
Male 3,477
HHS- Dept. of Health and Human Services
0
Reply
Male 3,477
This must be Cali.
0
Reply
Male 3,477
HHS- Dept. of Health and Human Services
0
Reply
Male 10,855
0
Reply
Male 39,619
Schools and universities are funded by the states and counties. NOT the federal budget.

The Education Section of the federal budget goes
for things like a few grants, equal access to
schools funding school nutrition programs
{ie feeding poor kids} etc.
0
Reply
Male 40,406
@comuser59 "Obama`s proposed budget" is bullsh*t! Dear ghod you actually believe it?
@HtF Thank you!
[quote]that wasn`t an invasion...[/quote]
It was an act of war, same difference, eh?
[quote]I dare say this drastically misses AND oversimplifies the issue.[/quote]
I totally agree @Cajun! Since it leaves out debt payments, which (iirc) are larger than what is spent on the military ATM...
0
Reply
Male 2,344
HHS?
0
Reply
Male 24
Spending on defense is something people will continually whine about until the one time we don`t spend enough. I for one would always rather error on the side of caution. Teachers are constantly wanting more pay and benefits; here`s a fun fact: if you got a job during the summer neither would be an issue.
0
Reply
Male 5,094
MrHyde: +1.
0
Reply
Male 2,384
and republicans blame democratic "socialism" eh?
0
Reply
Male 464
Wait, whats wrong with this?
0
Reply
Male 2,402
@LandoGriffin

No basically education is not funded by the states. It comes from federal tax revenue and distributed to the states who in turn distribute among their districts. Over half the income that states get is from the feds.
0
Reply
Male 1,471
I`m with MrHyde on this one..
0
Reply
Male 10,855
[quote]The Democrats and the Conservatives are both too conservative.[/quote]

Is that your summary or assertion?
0
Reply
Male 10,855
[quote]Health & Human services isn`t either[/quote]

Well hold on now, isn`t the government supposed to "promote the general welfare"?
0
Reply
Male 494
Lol @ political arguments.

Here`s how it goes:

The Democrats and the Conservatives are both too conservative.

The solution:
Canada.
0
Reply
Male 3,842
um....so what?

Education is mosty funded by states, defense is all funded nationally.
0
Reply
Male 10,338
Ginger are you freaking crazy?

Education is not the Government`s responsibility. Health & Human services isn`t either, but Definitely not education.
0
Reply
Male 379
@Madest You mean gotta keep the masses stupid so they will have to rely on HHS so they will keep voting Democrat and the Dem`s can make us a totally socialist country.
0
Reply
Male 113
That is very misleading, as the majority of school`s budget come from STATE funds, not federal.
0
Reply
Male 67
i think we spend too much on hhs and epa. lets just cut from them and put the money from that into the education budget
0
Reply
Female 53
@SvampeBob - Yes. I am saying socialism has a negative impact on society.
0
Reply
Male 740
Also misleading because these don`t show numbers. Sure, it looks like a small piece of the pie, but we spend more on education than other nations. Numbers show a lot. For example, the US GDP is MUCH higher than Kuwait`s, but Per Capita they`re just about they`re not that far apart.
0
Reply
Male 2,402
Yep thoroughly agree.
0
Reply
Male 15,510
We all could have guessed that without the need of a pie chart, just get online and youll see
0
Reply
Male 1,548
@MCMXCIII
It wasn`t just the billionaires, it was everyone who understood the market. Think now if the general populace was educated enough to do the same, the "financial crisis" would not be such a crisis.
0
Reply
Male 114
Nah, I don`t believe that for a moment that this is the reason...there are many reasons and #1 is that education is a for-profit industry in the USA unlike the leading countries of the world in education. #2 is Unions.
0
Reply
Male 426
"ten years ago this September"

That was because someone took over a plane. A bomb or a knife may be easy to take, but they don;t have intention detectors. Sure we got Intel stating that something was about to go down, but there is only so much you can do.
0
Reply
Male 605
I laughed so much at that. epic caption
0
Reply
Male 3,076
@elderban99, shaboinkin and HtF are you guys saying that sosialism is negative???
0
Reply
Male 356
Woa woa what, get rid of HHS? Hold on a minute. Yes you`ll do alright if the economy is doing fine, but in troubled times (which are guaranteed to happen, because it`s economic) you`ll be thankful that you have those programs. Only the filthily rich need not to worry about financial crises (during the peak of the recent crisis, most billionaires on Fortune 400 list had their fortune increased), but then again they are like what? 1% of the population. It`s national security and it`s much needed.
0
Reply
Male 2,085
More money and government intrusion does not equal better education. The reason they are so dumb is because they are not taught to think things out and work things through. Why teach why something works when you can just show them on a computer.
0
Reply
Male 6,694
HHS . Looks like the place to be.
0
Reply
Male 10,338
"no child is supposed to be left behind."

One of the biggest mistakes we ever made.

Do we educate our kids, or do we dumb down the curriculum so everyone can pass? Hmmmmmmm.
0
Reply
Male 10,855
I dare say this drastically misses AND oversimplifies the issue.
0
Reply
Male 7,378
[quote]In the first place, states are responsible for educating their citizens, not the Federal Government[/quote]
--------------
What country do you live in? I live in the USA. A country with national stardardized testing where no child is supposed to be left behind. Where inbred god fearing hillbillies from the south are not allowed to change the curricullum to reflect their "beliefs". These are the things that most Americans should be grateful for.
0
Reply
Male 1,548
Misleading graph since most of the American education system is funded on the state level. Federal education funding works like this: Congress passes a bill to make some national regulation on education (like "No Child Left Behind" for example), since education is delegated to the states, the way that regulation is enforced is by offering federal money to states that comply (it`s technically optional).

Defense isn`t the problem, HHS is (looks like this might be an ancient graph because Social Security and Medicare are apparently still under it). Some parts of defense need to be cut, true, but the real burden on taxpayers is the entitlement programs. If all of America had a good enough education, we wouldn`t need those programs because people would be able to afford private alternatives. The problem is, now that they`re there, there are people who depend on them and you can`t just take that away without causing more problems.
0
Reply
Male 456
@elderban99

Agreed to extent.
We (the US) are a combination of socialism in case you haven`t noticed. I feel that they should cut back on a lot of stuff, but at the same time, that is stuff that the government has long promised for quite a few years.
0
Reply
Male 10,338
Get rid of half of HHS, Education, Labor, Energy, & EPA. The we will talk America. Until then you are doing it wrong.
0
Reply
Male 180
And no one seems to notice that HHS (which includes social security, welfare, unemployment and other similar programs) is bigger than defense and education combined.
0
Reply
Male 237
@duffytoler

Mr. Toler.....what you`ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
0
Reply
Female 53
There, I fixed it for you.
0
Reply
Male 60
In the first place, states are responsible for educating their citizens, not the Federal Government, although they kick in a small percentage, with a lot (and I mean a lot) of conditions. Most states need all the money they can get, so they do what the Feds want to get it. What we really need, and what most other industrialized countries have, is National Standards, so that a child in the poorest district in Alabama has the same access and opportunity, and receives the same level of education as a child in the richest district of Massachusetts, something that currently doesn`t happen.
0
Reply
Male 590
the government is SUPPOSED to be responsible for the military and NOT education! We`d probably be better off if that wedge was even smaller!
0
Reply
Male 25,417
meh...
0
Reply
Male 5,194
If we were any smarter you would all be dead.
0
Reply
Male 126
"Ten years ago this september"

that wasn`t an invasion...
0
Reply
Male 10,338
"Ten years ago this September."

Seconded.
0
Reply
Female 728
It`s sad how small NASA is on that graph. I mean, I`m all in favor of a much smaller federal government, but if it`s going to spend boatloads of money, it might as well spend a decent portion of it on science, which improves the quality of life.
0
Reply
Male 1,610
"Ten years ago this September."

Thank god our massive military came to the rescue. Oh, wait.
0
Reply
Male 264
"Well to be fair, when was the last time America was invaded?"

Ten years ago this September.
0
Reply
Male 363
Well to be fair, when was the last time America was invaded? They`re clearly defending it pretty good!
0
Reply
Male 145
I can`t trust a pie graph that has absolutely no references.
0
Reply
Male 304
kids not dumb...kids didnt learn yet...

PARENTS ARE DUMB, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FAIL TEACHING KIDS
0
Reply
Male 10,338
Nope. The fed`s should be spending NOTHING on education. Leave it up to the states.
0
Reply
Male 4,290
For comparison, here is the UK`s.
0
Reply
Male 226
The graph has no key. This can be highly misleading. Though I still say wtf, too much funding for defense.
0
Reply
Male 749
Defense is rightfully a function of the federal government. Education should stay the responsibility of state and local government. There is no mandate in the Constitution for federal funding of education. It worries me that `Mericans aren`t smart enough to understand their own Constitution well enough to realize this.
0
Reply
Male 28
Here`s a better way to look at it:
NY Times Budget Overview
It shows what is growing or shrinking, and by how much. Slightly more informative than your standard pie graph.
0
Reply
Male 426
whats the overall budget? Because there could still be8 or 9 figures for schools. defense costs a lot. schools don`t.
0
Reply
Female 1
english get much more on gaming than education...especially my boyf
0
Reply
Male 216
screw NASA!!
0
Reply
Male 2,893
Huh, It`s just a f*cking graph that someone could have pulled out of their ass..........
0
Reply
Male 40,406
No mention of "intrest on the debt"? Totally bogus chart is bogus!
0
Reply
Male 377
Yes, defense is the problem. Because preventing enemies of the state to possibly kill those dumb ass kids is better.
0
Reply
Male 166
and more money doesn`t always = smarter kids. good teachers, and resources makes smarter kids.
0
Reply
Male 322
more funding for NASA!
0
Reply
Female 8,043
@kribbe
hhs stands for United States Department of "Health and Human Services"
0
Reply
Male 166
@madest
It`s cute how you think that the parties are different... at all. They are just illusions.
0
Reply
Male 1,610
dumb people make better consumers
0
Reply
Female 131
why isn`t more money going into renewable energy and education? politics are drating stupid.
0
Reply
Male 2,004
what does hhs stand for, i try google it but i end up at handelshögskolan (a swedish university).

an education system cant be judged by the budget, but the fact that you spend more money on a military that ruins life for many people in foreign countries, is f*cked up
0
Reply
Male 39
wow
0
Reply
Male 81
can`t help but notice adding nasa and the epa to education would be an extra 50%...
0
Reply
Male 51
Agreed. Though I`m not sure how I feel about cutting military spending.
0
Reply
Male 7,378
Gotta keep the masses stupid so they vote republican.
0
Reply
Male 320
Link: America, This Is Why Your Kids Are Dumb #2 [Pic] [Rate Link] - The 2011 United States budget looks a little off, no?
0
Reply