3 Things About Islam Everyone Should Know

Submitted by: 5cats 6 years ago in

Educate yourself! ""World Peace"" means something different to Muslims than to you!
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Male 49
If a God existed, He wouldnt tell you to do what he says or youll be punished for eternity. That sounds a lot like a dictator.
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Male 229
I will break from the pact and say that that was quite interesting. I think I may actually read the Qur`an for myself.
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Male 2,422
Islam is a pig religion, and Muhammad is its prophet.
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Male 10,855
@CoolerThanMe

Muslims rape alleged female jew -> Qu`ran has intolerant passage -> Muslims think okay to rape Jews and suspected Jews.

Hasty generalization would you say?
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Male 98
@ Cajun247 How exactly are the facts being spun?
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Male 356
Say, since when did IAB become a place to induce fears and spread hatred?
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Female 3,001
I know were in the middle of a religion war

but thanks Yosuka :)
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Female 169
I didn`t realize that Islam and Scientology were so simular
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Male 10,855
[quote]It says in the Quaran that it`s OK to rape infidel women, which this gang of men did.[/quote]

Strawman argument.

[quote]Aren`t all that accurate.[/quote]

Says who? You?

[quote]It is NOT an isolated incident.[/quote]

Strawman argument, not isolated to the Muslim world anyway.

[quote]Muslims yell "Jew Jew" while raping a blonde American? Not newsworthy...[/quote]

You`re spinning the facts to make a straw man argument nonetheless. Which is why I don`t watch "MSM" or "Fox News" and rely on Stewart/Colbert to point out their collective BS.
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Male 40,739
It says that other opinions presented here: Muslims don`t hate Jews (much anyhow) and they don`t "take the Quaran literally" aren`t all that accurate. It says in the Quaran that it`s OK to rape infidel women, which this gang of men did. It is NOT an isolated incident. It says that they gang raped her in public and NO ONE stopped them until the Army arrived.

It actually says MORE about the MSM: the Tea Party allegedly yells a racial slur? Front page news! Dispite NOT ONE shred of evidence. (at least 5 cameras were rolling the whole time) Muslims yell "Jew Jew" while raping a blonde American? Not newsworthy...
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Male 10,855
And that says what about other Muslims 5Cats?
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Male 40,739
That reporter who was raped in Egypt?
They shouted "Jew! Jew!" while doing it The MSM isn`t discussing this part of the story of course...
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Male 10,338
Oh.

I thought the Turks just hated the Greeks lol.
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Male 10,855
[quote]condemned all Muslims[/quote]

CrakrJak made a straw man assertion at how the Turks were hostile towards Jews.
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Male 10,338
@cajun: I don`t think any one of us have condemned all Muslims. Just the leadership.
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Male 10,855
[quote]It`s their leadership we demonize, and rightly so.[/quote]

Good, now leave the masses out of it next time. Mmm-kay?
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Male 98
FYI...The Torah is the first five book of the Bible...
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Male 17,511
davymid: I`m sure there were nice people living in 1940`s Germany, 1950`s Russia, 1970`s Cambodia, and even now in Iran as well. It`s their leadership we demonize, and rightly so.
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Male 10,338
LOL Thanks Davy.

All I meant by that link was, that the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to get a foothold in Egypt. If they do so, then they (Egypt) is one step closer to Shari`a. That is baaaaaad. I equate it with Iran, because of the whole US Puppet Shah/Revolution take out the Shah/Imams takeover thingy that happened. This time, I see US Puppet Mubarak/Revolution take out Mubarak/Who knows what`s next?

I am hoping for the best for Eqypt. I really am. They are one of the first/great civilizations of the world, and I have tremendous respect for them as a country. I loved the movie Cleopatra ;). I just have fears and doubts like I`m sure they do.

Peace brother. Have a great night. Also, my wife is fixed. 4 kids was ENOUGH! lol.
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Male 12,138
You know who I would rather listen to? The guy on the ground, who`s been there, whether he be soldier, doctor, teacher, preacher, whatever. That guy`s been there and can report it first hand. Sure, not everyone can just up and go to one of these countries, but I trust their testimony much more than someone who climbs on a pedestal and tells it like it is, without any experience of what he or she is talking about. Would you trust an engineer who publicly opined on the structural integrity of the Eiffel Tower from what he read on the internet, without ever having been to Paris?

Alright, so I`m waffling now. AJ, d00d, I respect your opinion immensely, and you`ve made me change my mind about some things. You`ve had experiences that I haven`t had. I just ask the same in return.

Anyways, old thread is old. May the seed of your loin grow fruitful in the belly of your woman. Peace out, Davy.
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Male 12,138
Look, all I`m saying is that you shouldn`t demonize an entire group of people based on prejudice. And that`s all it is. Prejudice. And prejudice is ugly, and had led to some of the darkest chapters in human history.

Example, I can read all about life in Iraq or Afghanistan on the internet. Half will be about the great Satan that had ruined those countries by the illegal imperialistic invasion of the infidels, half will be about the noble humanitarian efforts put in by the west to improve their lot in life.
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Male 12,138
AJ, I presume, judging by your link, you meant Egypt rather than Iran?

See, this is exactly what I`m talking about. You`ve never been there (correct me if I`m wrong). Egypt is as different from Iran as Canada is from Peru. Yet you put them on the same plane (Freudian slip or otherwise). And conversely, don`t get me wrong, there are many Muslims around the world who have never been to America who think along the same lines. It`s a lack of understanding, on both parts, through not making the effort.
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Male 10,338
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Male 25
@davymid
I wouldn`t say the world is better of without religion. Religion, of any kind, can bring peace and ease to a heart.
But as always the loud mouths(extremists) are the ones being heard. This warps our view of religions/believes. If you hear about atheists in the news its because they did some crazy protest (like poster on a bus), breeding intolerance. You never hear about the atheist/muslim/christian that walks around going "hey, i dont care what you believe, as long as i can believe in my thing." It wouldn`t be interesting to hear about that. So on the news and in the papers they only show the people that blow themselves up.
It is a very one-sided and warped image.

If you would want to achieve world peace, it cant be without believe. Ironically, believe is what spawns extremists(and yes, not believing in a god/religion is also a believe). Hatred and intolerance kills the world, not religion/believe.
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Male 12,138
It makes me deeply troubled as to where we`re headed as a species. Just saying.
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Male 12,138
I find this post (and more disturbingly the comments following) to be kind of disgusting, but that`s just me. It strikes me that most of the people opining about how Muslims are evil, bad people, have never visited a Muslim country. Hell, best I can tell, most of them have never been outside of North America.

Sure, there`s nasty sh*t in the Koran. Just as there`s nasty sh*t in the Bible, the Torah, and all the rest.

Look, there`s bad people everywhere, and there`s good people everywhere. To judge an entire people based on what it happens to say in their particular flavour of bronze-age religious text, is, I think anyway, a bit disgusting.

It makes me uneasy. Maybe I`m being alarmist, but the last time there was similar rumblings against a major world religion was back in 1933-1939.

All this coming from a staunch anti-theist, who thinks the world would be better without any kind of religion in it.
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Male 25
@auburnjunky.

They are using democracy to change the law. Which is in all ways using our culture against us. Or rather, they are adjusting to our culture.

And yes, the more extrimists are trying to undermine the western way of living. But they are doing so by blowing themselves up. This method of making us fear them wont work.
If an extremist party, no matter the believe, would want to take over a western country all they would have to do is make sure that the majority in that country follows their believe.

There is no chipping away, there is only adjusting the western democratic system to fit the will of the people.
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Male 10,338
"But if that were true, then why isn`t they entire muslim world at war with the west?"

Silent war. Biding time. Chipping away at the foundation.

Just playing devil`s advocate here.
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Male 10,855
Male 25
And regarding the taking over part, Isn`t it the soul or democracy that the majority of a country gets to decide where we are going as a nation? So if the majority is islamic, then yes we are going to introduce the islamic law (if everybody wants that). So if in fact, and i am not saying it is so, muslims would be taking over the world they would just have to get a majority in any democratic country. They would use the use the system to convey their believes.
There is nothing wrong with that. That is like saying to a christian/atheist "no, you cant introduce your christian/atheist value`s into this country". Nobody in the western world would claim that. Okay, some hillbilly`s might.
The point is, if any believe is representing the majority in a country naturally the politics will follow, to some extend, the principles of that believe. Separating church from state is hard to do. Since most believes tell you how to act and what to do. So in someway they still influenc
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Male 10,855
Kudos Halfacookie!
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Male 25
I hate the fact that this most makes it seem that every muslim is following the qur`an to the letter. The experiences i have had with muslims so far, in egypt and in the Netherlands as well, have made me realize that yes, there are extremists, and yes, the qur`an has violent passages. But not every muslim follows them to the letter. Now one might counter this by saying "the qur`an tells them to lie". But if that were true, then why isn`t they entire muslim world at war with the west? If they are so convinced of their right they would start an all out war. But as with every believe (be it christian, islam or atheist) there are extremists. And yes, the western extremist don`t go about blowing themselves up, but they are just as intolerant. Fearing and hating everything that is not their believe. I do say extremists, be it christian, atheist or islamic, are the cause of the hatred.
Live and let live mate.
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Male 10,855
[quote]So much so that he supports the ground-zero mosque.[/quote]

Ron Paul`s not liberal and he supports it anyway.
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Male 17,511
thelonious: Actually the guy that runs LGF has swung wildly to the left since the 2008 election, So much so that he supports the ground-zero mosque.

He`s either lost or kicked out most of the people that used to comment on his blog. So it`s very very doubtful he had anything to do with this video.

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Male 60
So...The clear religion of Islam, eh? Anything said in the Quran can be abrogated by something said later in the Quran. That`s the clearest religion I know!

Please God (Figure of speech only ha) everyone watch religulous.
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Male 958
People we are technically dealling with people who have not progressed intellegently in todays society to function with the modern world. Thus they are unfortionate and must face annialation.
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Male 3,310
Was this produced by "Little Green Footballs"? Because, that would make perfect sense.
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Male 1
This is why religions are like a opinions, everyone has one but everyone thinks everyone elses... you get the picture.
btw ruthless is cute ;-)
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Male 10,855
[quote]Hamas is the ruling POLITICAL PARTY in Palestine.[/quote]

Oh you`re right, then officially it`s only Palestine at the moment. Just one nation in the entire Arab League that`s hostile towards Israel.
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Male 10,855
From the same organisation 75% of Arabssupport a two-state solution. Now before you talk about the second half of the paragraph where you can find that snippet I say this. Rather than demonizing an entire group of people how about we try prove the doubters in that poll wrong. humm-kay?
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Male 10,338
"oh wait no it`s Hamas"

Hamas is the ruling POLITICAL PARTY in Palestine.

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Male 10,855
[quote]Yeah right, I`d support getting 100% of what I want, but failed to attain through invasion, too. Hey! I`d bet that number falls to >12% (closer to 2% I`d wager) for the modern borders, which means Israel gets the Golan Hieghts and West Bank, right? So what does THAT mean?[/quote]

Be that as it may, the nation(s) that have been openly hostile towards Israel is Palestine- oh wait no it`s Hamas. With no backing from the PLA whatsoever. So now the only entity that`s hostile towards Israel right now is a small terrorist organization.
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Male 40,739
[quote]We live with the new covenant now, not the old. That means what to me?[/quote]
It means he`s a Christian, not a Jew. Quoting Jewish text to him (even if it is "in the Bible") is pointless since he`s following Christ`s teachings. Heck, even Jews don`t follow that stuff! Except "ultra-orthodox" ones, who are few and far between, eh?

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Male 40,739
[quote]I assume this is after the Flotilla raid you justified where a bunch of civilians got shot.[/quote]
ARMED `civilians` @Baalth, or did you not see the video of them cutting the railings off the ship to use as clubs (the video? taken by an American on board, many hours before the interception). It was a planned attack BY the `peace activists`.

[quote]but Arabs are 88% in favour of full peaceful relations with Israel under the condition of a return to 1967 borders.[/quote]
Yeah right, I`d support getting 100% of what I want, but failed to attain through invasion, too. Hey! I`d bet that number falls to >12% (closer to 2% I`d wager) for the modern borders, which means Israel gets the Golan Hieghts and West Bank, right? So what does THAT mean?
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Male 1,008
keep trying to prove your point, all of you are footballs.
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Male 40,739
[quote]Every time I copy your argument...[/quote]
Noooo, @Baalth what you`re actually doing is "parody" not immitation. You`re saying @Crackr`s "oranges" are actually "ducks" and are miffed when he points out that ducks are not a fruit.
You get it?
He`s simply pointing out that the Z and N words have SPECIFIC racial connotations, while the l and c words DO NOT. In that context, he`s 100% correct. If YOU are offended when he points out your "liberal" (in HIS opinion) beliefs, that`s YOUR inference, not his implication.

The "Young Turks" are so full of crap! Each and every time I view their "work" I find it lacking "fact" and full of bigotry, bias and bull****. Plain and simple: they lie to make money.
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Male 342
k, so, 3 things i didn`t know about islam turn out to be the 3 most obvious and most worrying things we already knew about islam...
yes we are brutal, yes we hate and wish to strike down all those who disagree with us, and yes, we are infiltrating, and wish to overthrow, every faccet of the western world. love us and our `peaceful` religion while we tear down and poo on everything you hold dear.
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Male 10,855
That should say:

"on the matter regarding suicide bombing."
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Male 10,855
Ahh yes here`s a list of various Islamic scholars thoughts on the matter.
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Male 40,739
[quote]We include posts that are anti, and pro, every group.[/quote]
Well said @Baalth! And I totally support that too. This is a site to relieve boredom, and fire up your braincells occasionally. I DO understand that you, @madest, @davymid, @LionHart & all the rest are mostly impartial in posting topics (it`s @FancyLad who has final approval, right?) even if y`all can be highly opinionated on the topic involved.

Quick History Lesson: Myself and several others complained a few times about pro-this or anti-that dominating IAB. We were told "Well, suggest something else!" So I did! And others too. I truely think IAB is pretty well-balanced, overall. I certianly don`t expect `perfection` that would be crazy!
Back to reading, 8 pages to go...
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Male 10,855
Here`s a nice list showing reactions from various Muslim majority countries to 9/11.
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Male 40,739
Ah Baalth, just on page 2 of the comments and already the fail! At least you stayed on topic for this one :-)
[quote]I consistently refuted it with 9:6 which specifically states self defense is a necessity.[/quote]
So the recent judgement that suicide bombing civilian infidels is OK because it defends Islam is lost on you, eh? In practice, ANYTHING that is NOT Islam is "a threat" m-kay?

[quote]If you aren`t trying to convert the world you aren`t a good Christian.[/quote]
@kingpong you obviously know nothing about Christians. They ARE supposed to "shine the light of God" on the world! The best way to do it? Be a shining example of a GOOD person!

Anyhow, I fully expect the right-thinking folks to agree with these 3 things and the "usual suspects" to poo-poo them. Not trying to convert anyone using the IAB message boards! lolz!
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Male 10,855
[quote]know how modern Islam is run, not mistakenly think it`s "just the same" as Christianity or Judaeism, eh?[/quote]

Not my logic at all.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Under threat = infidel = anyone who is not Muslim = anyone who would stop Shari`a from becoming world law.[/quote]

Sweeping generalization


[quote]We live with the new covenant now, not the old.[/quote]

That means what to me?


[quote] This goes against all human nature though and is damn hard to live by I must admit.[/quote]

Thank you for making my point.
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Male 40,739
[quote]I don`t give two 5h175 about what a holy book says.[/quote]
Well, you`re NOT a Muslim are you? lolz! They DO give a poo, and rightfully so! It IS the foundation of their religion, duh! We western infedels should know how modern Islam is run, not mistakenly think it`s "just the same" as Christianity or Judaeism, eh?
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Male 169
I thought this was going to be some kind of "Don`t be intolerant to people and stereotype them" Kind of thing, but to be honest this seems more like it`s pro-war to me -.-
This won`t help the prejudice of innocent Muslim people, you know.
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Male 58
@aubrunjunky
"Under threat = infidel = anyone who is not Muslim = anyone who would stop Shari`a from becoming world law."
Stretching the words "under threat" a little far are we? Taqiyya is not seen as valid by the vast majority of Sunni Muslims. Sharia law is not adhered to in every Muslim country nor is it anywhere near unanimously supported in many the nations which it is present in.
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Male 10,338
@skruffer:

Under threat = infidel = anyone who is not Muslim = anyone who would stop Shari`a from becoming world law.
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Female 8
wikipedia as a source? really?
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Male 58
@auburnjunky
"Wikipedia entry for Taqiyya confirms the video."

I don`t know how you interpreted wikipedia`s explanation "Taqiyya is a practice in Shia Islam whereby adherents may conceal their faith when they feel that they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion "Taqiyya is a practice in Shia Islam whereby adherents may conceal their faith when they feel that they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion" as promoting the video. The entire entry listed multiple factions interpretations of Taqiyya all calling it a means to avoid persecution.
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Male 58
Muhammad didn`t even write the Qur`an nor was it even finished in his lifetime...morons -_- Even the "recent example" of the Islamic American Relief Agency giving money to terrorists is completely blown out of proportion. The agency does help a great many people through its services. The amount allegedly sent to terrorists was a paltry amount and while researching may find you more instances of aid funds going to terrorists, its called CORRUPTION. It happens everywhere, in some cases the corrupt individuals are siphoning off aid funds for terrorist activities. This is hardly a reason to demean Muslims everywhere.
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Male 10,338
@sheaSF:

That video you posted is an attempt to deceive us.

They are allowed to do that.

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Male 98
This video really comes across as hysterical anti-Muslim propaganda. If you really want to inform yourself, here`s a good response.Click here.
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Male 10,338
@qwyrwhateveritsays:

Wikipedia entry for Taqiyya confirms the video.
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Male 73
Once I started looking up a few of the mentioned topics, esp. Taqiyya, it became clear that the writer is spinning falsehoods, taking a concept and stretching it to extremes not generally supported. Sorry, but I`ll trust Wikipedia over joe random video any day.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: [quote]Christians protect themselves as CHRISTIANS[/quote]

Actually the bible says, "Turn the other cheek" and "Love thine enemies". This goes against all human nature though and is damn hard to live by I must admit.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: As I have said before the old testament was Jewish law, history, stories, parables and prophecy. It describes God`s first covenant (contract) with mankind. God was to be feared and respected, but even his own chosen people the Israelites did not always honor him or believe in him. God exacted some rather harsh punishments on those that offended him and his prophets, it makes clear under no uncertain terms that "The wages of sin are death".

God`s plan was to simplify the whole thing, To do so he would need to pay the debt of sin for the whole world. He gave us his son, Jesus Christ, and sacrificed him to save us. Why ? Because God loves us. This new covenant changed and simplified everything, It gave us a perfect example of how to behave toward one another and in return for our love he`s paid our debt of sin.

We live with the new covenant now, not the old.
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Male 10,338
@apj311:

But now that you know that any Muslim, at any point, could be deceiving you because you are not Muslim, can you honestly say that you KNOW that most Muslims are not terrorists?
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Male 748
I thought that this would be a sensible, balanced video about Islam. It wasn`t. It was just a video that is one-sided and scare-mongering. Regardless of what the Qur`an says, most Muslims are not terrorists. Like with the Bible, most people don`t take everything literally (even if they are meant to) and so quoting the Qur`an isn`t very useful. Shari`a law may be present in a minor amount, but it`s not going to end up being a major part of non-Muslim countries.

I would have been more accepting of this video had it been more sensible and methodical. I can`t take it seriously because it`s just a couple of Qur`an quotes followed by a lot of scare-mongering stuff.

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Male 10,855
continued:

(much to the chagrin of the Shi`a majority)
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Male 10,855
[quote">if 10 guys write 10 different chapters of a book, there`s bound to be some confusion & contradiction. If ONE guy writes the whole 10 chapters, it should be a lot clearer. AND it even says if there IS a contradiction, take the LATER verse as correct.[/quote">

I don`t give two 5h175 about what a holy book says. I`m not judging a religion or members thereof based on what it says. As Baal pointed out repeatedly before there is going to be a LOT disagreement on the matter.

[quote">Islam HAS NO "seperation of church and state" the state exists only as an arm of the church, and must follow sharia law.[/quote">

Hmm funny thing is there has been a movement going on in several muslim majority countries for a secular government. Hell Saddam Hussein himself had a secular government (much t
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Male 10,855
[quote]in order to someday conquer them.[/quote]

Fine, I simply don`t believe that is their goal.
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Male 1,008
sooo if you are all footballs IAB must be the monkey!!!! LMAO
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Male 10,338
@mcgovern:

Lamb Of God = My favorite.
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Male 2,552
I have a sneaking suspicion that this was made by someone who doesn`t like people not from his country or region, specifically people who don`t share his beliefs.

In whichever case, I know for a fact that there are factions of Islam that encourage interpretation of the Qu`ran.

Other than that, I shall do as my country has done the past 200 years: stay neutral.
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Male 14,331
Pray for blood
Pray for the cleansing
Pray for the flood
Pray for end of this nightmare
This lie of a life can as quickly as it came dissolve

We seek only reprieve
And welcome the darkness
The myth of a meaning, so lost and forgotten

Take hold of my hand
For you are no longer alone
Walk with me in hell

Pray for solace
Pray for resolve
Pray for a savior
Pray for deliverance
Some kind of purpose, a glimpse of a light in this void of existence

Oh...
Now witness the end of an age
Hope dies in hands of believers
Who seek the truth in the liar`s eyes

Take hold of my hand
For you are no longer alone
Walk with me in hell

Walk with me in hell
Walk with me in hell
Walk with me in hell
Walk with me in hell
Walk with me in hell

Take hold of my hand
For you are no longer alone
Walk with me in hell
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Female 3,001
I`ve read the Qur`an, its a very long book, and its boring, i wouldn`t advise it.
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Male 3
.................love thy neighbour! (unles he`s drunk, a gambler, a fornicator, DOESN`T beat his wife,etc)wow......just,...wow.
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Male 190
Wow I hope that people watch it to the end so they can see the sources.

It took all that information from a blog discussion bored. This is no more fact then what 4 chan produces each day. a load of crap
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Male 40,739
Yikes! 257 comments and zero time to read them, I`ll be back!
@Chojiro: if 10 guys write 10 different chapters of a book, there`s bound to be some confusion & contradiction. If ONE guy writes the whole 10 chapters, it should be a lot clearer. AND it even says if there IS a contradiction, take the LATER verse as correct. The Bible says no such thing.

Islam HAS NO "seperation of church and state" the state exists only as an arm of the church, and must follow sharia law. Get it?
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Male 48
Zach82 -
Stop confusing criticism of a religious ideology for bigotry.

The first 45 seconds of this video was aimed directly at you, play it again and listen close.

Don`t watch the video though, the word jumble is annoying and distracting.
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Male 129
This is a very well done PROPAGANDA video which promotes religious intolerance.
Each of the 3 points has been effectively debunked (see MuhaddithDotOrg`s response video).
The scary thing is that because i was uneducated in the matter, this video had me convinced until i did a bit more research.
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Male 10,338
"They are full of lies and all they are interested in is world domination."

Ehhhhh. Can`t agree with this.
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Male 809
this is just another reason all religions must die out. They are full of lies and all they are interested in is world domination.
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Female 2,525
...and?

This hasn`t changed my opinion about Islam. I still don`t think it`s really any different from other religions. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims, good Christians and bad Christians, good Satanists and bad Satanists. And yes, despite what their holy books say, different people CAN and DO have different interpretations of the religions they participate in.
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Male 53
I thought this was I-am-bored, not I-am-interested in politically ideologies of religious groups and how they secretly plan to take over the world.
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Male 10,338
@Cajun: I get it man, but I would never denounce myself or my religion to protect myself against other religions, in order to someday conquer them.

Anyway, peace out.
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Male 10,338
I`m gonna go ahead and agree with Cajun.

I mean. I am judging the Koran, not Muslims. I have known peaceful Muslims.

The thing is, since I learned about taqiyya, I have become skeptical is all.

Love all individuals until they give you reason not to, and hopefully that reason is not that they killed you. ;)
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Male 10,855
Christians protect themselves as CHRISTIANS.

Isn`t that fair?
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Male 10,855
[quote]It calls for protecting ones self as a MUSLIM.[/quote]

Weren`t the Jews trying to do the same thing during the Spanish Inquistion?

You know protect themselves as JEWS.

Wasn`t that the case during the Holocaust too?

[quote]Also, if you are going to say Christianity is violent (kougaiji), find something in the New Testament please.[/quote]

This is a shining example as to why no one should judge others based on what their holy book says.
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Male 10,338
N-M. Moving on.
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Male 10,338
It calls for protecting ones self as a MUSLIM.

I meant read between the lines of what I wrote.

Also, if you are going to say Christianity is violent (kougaiji), find something in the New Testament please. The Old Testament is just a collection of parables, lessons, and history. Jesus said to change the old ways and accept the new.
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Male 1,008
it dost not matter who ist thyne monkey and who ist thyne football it is thyne manner of attempted fonrnication between them that shall bring a smile to the face of the Lord! lol :D
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Male 604
Also politics and religious argument aside, this video is old as donkeyballs and is pretty much pure hate-speech. I know I-A-B LOVES clicks and comments because that means more ad revenue, but this is unjustified hate speech that should not be spread to ignorant folk who know no better.
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For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death

Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer.

And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

In Numbers 25:10-13 God rewards Phineas with everlasting priesthood for slaying an interracial couple

Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.

a small selection from: skepticsannotatedbible.com count how many shall die by sword or stone
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Male 1,678
@ auburnjunky "Read between the lines" is just a fancy way of saying "see something thats not there". Anyway, with the Qu`ran it is impossible to read between the lines, as according to this video, "it is meant to be taken literally".
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Male 10,855
[quote]You`re inability to read between the lines is staggering.[/quote]

You`re sidestepping the argument. Plus I`ve read your quote it advocates lying to protect oneself not to advance the goals of the relion.
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Male 10,338
@paddy:

You`re inability to read between the lines is staggering.

There is no hope for you.

I`d rather just think that you are set on a path, and you will never believe a different opinion.
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Male 1,678
"Yes they are, but that is not the point.
The Torah and the Bible regard those things you mentioned as bad. The Koran regards lying to deceive non-believers as a good thing if it furthers the religion of Islam and the spread of Shari`a.

See the difference?"

The point was that just because something is written in a holy book doesn`t mean that people will actually follow what it says.
Your quote of Taqiyya has nothing to do with anything in my post. What you`ve done is take 2 separate points made by 2 separate people and argued against them as if they were 1 point made by the same person. Anyway, the quote you gave does not say anything about it being OK to lie to decieve non-belivers, "unless it be to protect yourself against them". Unless you interpret "protect yourself" to mean "spread the word of Islam", in which case you seriously need to invest in a dictionary.
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Male 39,902
CALM DOWN PEOPLE!!!

Can`t we all just get along?

What? You say we can`t just get along?

Well then just shoot the bastards.
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Male 10,338
The crusades were a mistake. It was conducted under false pretenses by Kings who took there own interpretation of the bible and ran with it. Same goes for the current extreme Christians who bomb abortion clinics, and those crazy Westboro Baptist fools.

The bible never says "Lie, deceive, and destroy non believers." The Koran does.
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Male 10,338
No Volsunga.

Nowhere in the Bible or the Torah does it say do bad to help the spread of the religion.
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Male 1,547
@AuburnJunky
By that argument, the Christian and Jewish texts support Genocide if it furthers the religion.
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Male 10,338
"So no Christians or Jews are lazy, jealous of other peoples possessions, horny for other mens wives etc? Presumably they aren`t because that would be against the holy book of their religion."

Yes they are, but that is not the point.

The Torah and the Bible regard those things you mentioned as bad. The Koran regards lying to deceive non-believers as a good thing if it furthers the religion of Islam and the spread of Shari`a.

See the difference?
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Male 247
Too bad the principles and purpose mentioned in this video the Qur`arn serves is based on flawed logic. Even if it is written by one man then it does not mean it is different from other religeous books. This video is totally pointless tbh.
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Male 1,678
""Just because a book says something doesn`t mean that people will actually do it."

It does when that book is the holy book of a religion."

So no Christians or Jews are lazy, jealous of other peoples possessions, horny for other mens wives etc? Presumably they aren`t because that would be against the holy book of their religion.
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Male 309
">>Liberal mindset:
1. Religious people are neither wonderful nor enlightened.

Fixed."


That`s what you say when your hypocrisy is called out. But 5 minutes in any IAB post about something weird that Christians do tells otherwise.
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Male 309
Kingpong, a better example would be:




So your point is we shouldn`t be focusing on Muslims, we should be focusing on Mexican immigrants and "extreme left-wing groups"?

Gotcha.
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Male 10,338
"Just because a book says something doesn`t mean that people will actually do it."

It does when that book is the holy book of a religion.

"Thats BS. Muslims cannot lie."

Actually what the video said about permission to deceive non-muslims was true. It says it in the Koran plain as day.

Taqiyya

Q 3:28: "Let not the believers take those who deny the truth for their allies in preference to the believers – since he who does this cuts himself off from God in everything – unless it be to protect yourself against them in this way…"
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Male 219
THAT was a very good a informative video. To ridicule it is to bury your head in the sand. To ignore the message is suicide.
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Male 5,194
>>Liberal mindset:
>>
>>1. Religious people are neither wonderful nor enlightened.


Fixed.
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Male 39,902
gee. all this muslim bashing and I`m not in the middle of it. Can ya believe it? not like me at all.
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Male 1,093
This is a stupid video that only shows one side of islam, and on top of that has a huge contradiction. "#3 Muslims can decieve non-muslims if it helps islam." Thats BS. Muslims cannot lie. Liars are even worst than murderers and theives. The only exception in which you can lie are: to make one feel better about themselves (like saying no you do not look fat or such), and to protect yourself or loved ones from harm.
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Male 309
Liberal mindset:

1. Muslims are wonderful, enlightened people.
2. Christians are evil.

I read a poll somewhere that said only 7% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism. Pretty good right? Until you realize that 7% = 85 million people.
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Male 541
Ahh don`t we all love propaganda, and mindless hating?
"Be afraid, be very afraid. Obama will eat your children".
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Male 215
Bigoted propaganda or not, you can`t deny that accent is epic.
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Male 3,369
Belunan said: "I just want to express my gratitude to Muslims. Every time a Muslim blows up a bunch of people, screams for the death of a cartoonist because they drew a picture of Mohamed or burns my nation`s flag because our millions of dollars in disaster relief took 4 days instead of 3 to arrive, there`s always another Muslim nearby to help me remember that Islam is a religion of peace."

Yup, but you won`t hear that on Fox "news".
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Male 1,678
Wow, its amazing how many non-muslims who visit IAB seem to have read the entire Qu`ran, because, you know, that is the ONLY possible way you could have a valid opinion on what is said in this video. Even in the unlikely event that this video isn`t just biased propaganda and is 100% true, then what exactly does it prove? Just because a book says something doesn`t mean that people will actually do it. Video`s like this just spread ignorant hatred.

Its incredible how so many people can form such strong opinions about things they know so little about.
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Male 605
who cares about the muslims... not me!
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Male 309
"Batmanners: Derps ? Really, that`s the best you could come up with ? Pffft."

You expected something creative from these people?
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Male 309
"The fact is, peaceful, democratic Muslims exist and use the Koran to justify their beliefs regardless of what later suras say, just like peaceful, democratic Christians exist regardless of what violent verses in the Bible say. This video`s assertion that every Muslim is a violent, deceitful savage is profoundly bigoted."

Ummm...they mentioned both violent and peaceful Muslims. But I guess you didn`t notice because you heard what you wanted to hear. Typical liberal.

No doubt the next video that shows up with Christians PEACEFULLY protesting abortion or something you`ll come along saying how ALL Christians are nutjobs.

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Male 970
1) Its also written in the bible/Torah that you shouldn`t change a single word in it. They still do it, why shouldn`t muslims?
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Male 10,338
NickG = Newfag.
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Male 239
The internet: allowing people to argue from thousands of miles away about stuff they didn`t know they cared about until someone they don`t know pointed out a different view to theirs
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Male 3,646
World peace is an idiot`s dream anyways.
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Male 10,855
@belunan

You should pay more attention to the Muslims who frown on such behavoir. They make an overwhelming majority of that entire demographic.

[quote]Cajun: I believe most people can make the distinction between people living in muslim nations and their theological leadership.[/quote]

Glad you think so. But I must remind you: saying someone who has an unfavorable view of someone else that he is hostile towards said person is a straw man argument. No civility in such a claim.
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Male 573
I hate all religions, I don`t care about your pathetic desert scribblings and no amount of `preaching` to me is going to change that. You might as well not bother, again I`ve NO interest in some medieval or bronze age superstition.
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Male 296
So in others words Islam is a cancer that is spreading and we must act now to eradicate it.
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Male 812
Zach82: You just made my day by showing wisdom and intelligence. Thank you.

On another note, why are people like Crakr roaming free and not in some kind of institutions?
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Male 741
Ok, here`s the 3 things I learned:
1) Islam is stupid.
2) All religions are stupid.
3) Anybody who makes videos with nothing but random sized text turning randomly on the screen is stupid.
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Male 319
What disgusting, offensive, reactionary tripe! The fact is, peaceful, democratic Muslims exist and use the Koran to justify their beliefs regardless of what later suras say, just like peaceful, democratic Christians exist regardless of what violent verses in the Bible say. This video`s assertion that every Muslim is a violent, deceitful savage is profoundly bigoted.
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Male 505
Bankvole:

I-am-usersubmitted.com
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Male 3,915
i`m with fatninja on this one....it takes 8 minutes to explain 3 things?

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Male 959
i-am-blatantpropaganda.com
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Male 49
Taqiyya is NOT a permission to "lie to infidels for the benefit of islam". It is a permission to conceal your Islamic faith if it saves your life.

It is also a Shi`ite law. Bin Laden, for example, is not Shi`ite.
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Male 25,416
3 things in 8 minutes. really?
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Male 1,360
And I proclame a fatwua against Crakjakass.
He must have sex with 100`s of virgins so maybe that will give him some sense in his life.
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Female 2,026
what the drat accent is that
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Male 987
Wow, that made me more biased AGAINST Muslims. Was that what they were trying to do? I`m not even sure anymore. All I know is that the whole video seemed bipolar; He stated facts and opinions that seemed to inherently make you never want to talk to a Muslim, then others that make you want to invite them over for dinner.

It`s 4:30 here and I`m drating confused now.
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Male 1,360
if muslims were happy(not invaded by westerners, not under the rulership of dictators who are sometimes friends of westerners) they wouldn`t listen so carefully to imams shouting in favor of sharia or jihad.
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Male 3,619
i live in norway and know some nice muslim people they can`t be trusted oh holly poo im surrounded by the enemy this is so surreal holy poo what do i do im going to die
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Male 772
Oh god, I had to stop that halfway through, his accent was so bloody annoying. And I hate it when people think that that`s typography in the same way the Pulp Fiction one was. This is just words in different places on the screen; the Pulp Fiction one (the best one) had the words change and move according to what was happening in the audio. Much cooler.
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Male 17,511
Batmanners: Derps ? Really, that`s the best you could come up with ? Pffft.
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Male 4,004
"Everyone please stop taking CrakrJak seriously because he is a bigot and a Derp-a-derp. Never a good combination. That is all. "

I believe you`re being a bigot against CrakrJak. you`re inciting people not to listen to him, or even acknowledge him. You`re also discriminating against the proud DERPs....how could you?
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Male 4,004
Islam sounds pretty bad-ass. Don`t get all high and mighty because the catholic Bible "isn`t as violent". It`s just as full of insane stuff most Catholics opt to completely ignore, at least the Qu`Ran, Islamic Muslims follow the rules in their holy book.
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Male 9
Everyone please stop taking CrakrJak seriously because he is a bigot and a Derp-a-derp. Never a good combination. That is all.
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Male 12,365

Area B is very different. Making a formal accusation is risky without very strong evidence because it often leads to social disapproval and can lead to conviction of adultery and being tortured to death.

There are 400 reports, all with very strong evidence. There are 300 arrests and 200 convictions - 50%.

Does that mean B is 5 times better than A?
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Male 12,365
Area A has strong systems in place to support people making a formal accusation of rape. They will be assumed to be victims and given help by specialists. There are no risks involved in making a formal accusation. Lots of police resources are assigned to finding rapists. Arrests and trials will take place on minimal evidence, much less than would be required for other crimes.

There are 5000 formal accusations of rape, most of which are genuine and most of which have little evidence.

There are 3000 arrests - no ID could be made in the other 2000 cases.

A has a legal system that presumes innocence and requires the prosecution to prove guilt. Since rape is usally very hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt (one person`s word isn`t enough to convict), there are only 300 convictions - 10%.
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Male 12,365
[quote]When I say America is bad, you can look at one specific stat (The USA convicts only 15% of its rapists) and call upon the horrors of America, but it makes no drating sense to do it out of context (15% isn`t only average, it`s *high* for the rest of the world. It`s just the world happens to be terrible.)[/quote]

You`re missing very important parts of the context.

The figures quoted are for the conviction rate of people accused of rape after a formal accusation. They aren`t what you claimed they are. They`re a mix of different factors: the number of rapists, what %age of victims make a formal accusation, the chance of an arrest and the standard of evidence required for a conviction.

I`ll illustrate with 2 scenarios.

Areas A and B both have 10,000 rapes by 10,000 rapists.
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Male 1,360
looking at these comments, i must ask myself, did most of you actually watch the video or did you misinterpret it.
"there`s always another Muslim nearby to help me remember that Islam is a religion of peace."

yeah they`ll slaughter anyone who isn`t a muslim until the world reaches a absolute islamic population.then there will be peace, but alas at the cost of diversity. there`s your religion of peace.

the only reason so many americans see muslims as "peaceful" is because their population remains at <1 here in the US. places with higher populations (france, uk, sweden, etc) ask for equal rights which are far excessive to their population percentage.
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Male 1,265
This is why I despise religions.
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Male 2,690
Learned a lot, great video.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: I believe most people can make the distinction between people living in muslim nations and their theological leadership.

Even I (though some think I`m a ideologue) support the Iranian people in their efforts to seek freedom from their oppressive and radical leadership.
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Male 17,511
belunan: Well said sir.
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Male 1,505
I just want to express my gratitude to Muslims. Every time a Muslim blows up a bunch of people, screams for the death of a cartoonist because they drew a picture of Mohamed or burns my nation`s flag because our millions of dollars in disaster relief took 4 days instead of 3 to arrive, there`s always another Muslim nearby to help me remember that Islam is a religion of peace.
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Male 10,440
lol @ baal and Crackr... It is mesmerizing how two fundamentalist nuts can ramble on for so long about absolutely nothing.

It is like watching boxxy... there is absolutely nothing to see, yet you can`t look away.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Aaaand I need to actually go to work.[/quote]

Hehe funny thing I actually need to go to bed.
CYA!
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Male 12,138
I was about to interject something tremendously incisive and witty, buy then I realised that I`m horribly drunk on free liquor from the airport lounge.

So instead, I`m going to do the sensible thing and shut up and let y`all have at it. Carry on.
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Male 985
I thought this was going to be about the good side of Islam because the intro seems unbiased, as it went on, im really freaked out.
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Male 10,855
In any case my question to Crakr is this:

Are you really willing to argue that if a majority within a nation has an unfavorable view towards a demographic that they are openly hostile to said group? I know you definitely have a negative view of Muslims does that really make you openly hostile towards them I don`t think so. It`s a straw man argument.
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Male 4,546
Cajun:
I dunno about Turks, but Arabs are 88% in favour of full peaceful relations with Israel under the condition of a return to 1967 borders.

Zogby/Maryland poll 2010.

Aaaand I need to actually go to work.
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Male 10,855
Where are the state mandated executions for those view Jews positively?
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Male 4,546
I think you mean "post", but nevermind, not sure why the jump then.

I tell you what, next time I go to Turkey I`ll encourage people to like Jews more.

Again however, I would posit that your modus operandi, is looking for things that are bad, (which they are), and pretending that this is a Muslim phenomenon. Which it is not.

Otherwise you wouldn`t have 78% of Israelis doing the exact same thing 76% of Turkish are.

You will consistently find horrendous stats, but the difference is, you isolate them.

When I say America is bad, you can look at one specific stat (The USA convicts only 15% of its rapists) and call upon the horrors of America, but it makes no drating sense to do it out of context (15% isn`t only average, it`s *high* for the rest of the world. It`s just the world happens to be terrible.)
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Male 10,855
If anything they`re simply upset at Israel do they want to go to war? I doubt that very much. At worst they`ll just sever ties. If your original assertion is true then where are the death threats for those who don`t have a negative view? Don`t give me fatwas those are non-binding decisions.
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Male 798
Yeah that does sound like a bad set of beliefs. Good thing none of those same commands are in the Bib.....oh....
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Male 10,855
Still I say cum hoc ergo propter hoc
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Male 10,855
Now that 78% I know no reason why THAT attitude would be justified.
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Male 10,855
@Baal

Actually no the survey was 2008. The flotilla raid happened in 2010. That is an odd jump.
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Male 4,546
76 is a big jump from 49, I assume this is after the Flotilla raid you justified where a bunch of civilians got shot.

Either way, this bodes well. I`m glad to see you find those kind of numbers disgusting.

Here`s some for the USA:
53% have a negative view of Muslims.

Feel free to be outraged and do some serious work to change US opinion.

Also, reading to page 2 of your article... Israelis are 78% against the Turkish too....
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Male 10,855
Okay so what were the questions asked?
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Male 2,004
i find it hard to take his accent seriously.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: A 2008 Pew survey on European attitudes toward Jews and Muslims found that 76 percent of Turks had a negative view of Jews, up from 49 percent in 2004. A study on hate speech in Turkey’s national press by the Hrant Dink Foundation this past fall found that Jews were the third-most targeted group, falling just behind Kurds and Armenians. Source
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Male 10,855
[quote]If the question was asked "Do you like Israel ?" You would`ve seen a much higher percentage.[/quote]

Again still speculation: I may not like my neighbor for filing noise complaints but that doesn`t mean I want to kill him/her.
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Male 10,338
Also, who actually voted?

If you polled 1000 Republicans on whether or not Obama is doing a good job, I bet that number would be astronomical.

Or polled people in a red state.

Or polled people in a church, etc.
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Male 10,338
Okay. I actually read it.

So 43% hate the US, and 24% hate Israel.

Basically what it boils down to, is 67% were torn on who to vote for lol.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Note that same poll said 43% said the US was the biggest threat. The question was worded with the phrase `Who is the Biggest Threat` among several different answers. That does not equate to how unpopular Israel is there. If the question was asked "Do you like Israel ?" You would`ve seen a much higher percentage.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Is it a cross section, or is it 24% do not like Israel 76% did not vote?[/quote]

If that`s Crakr`s argument then it`s pure speculation nonetheless.
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Male 181
This thread is on its way to becoming the poster child for sophistry.
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Male 10,338
"since when is 24% a majority"

Is it a cross section, or is it 24% do not like Israel 76% did not vote?
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Male 10,855
[quote">The majority of Turkey`s populace is not friendly toward Israel, It`s leadership tolerates them because Turkey is an ally of the US.[/quote">

What??? Since when is 24% a majority? That`s the most stupid I`ve ever heard all day.
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Male 4,546
Pfft. Every time I point out your standards you say "That`s stupid". Every time I copy your argument "That`s stupid".

No poo sherlock. The standards you apply, and the arguments you make are not valid, constructive, well put together, fair, balanced, or logical.

They fail by every measure, they are inconsistent with the real world and even internally inconsistent within themselves.

What is shocking is you still haven`t been able to recognize when I quote you, that it`s *you* making it.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: The majority of Turkey`s populace is not friendly toward Israel, It`s leadership tolerates them because Turkey is an ally of the US. They happen to hate the Russians more than they do Israel. Of course they hate the Greeks as well, but keep the peace with them too.
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Male 4,546
He`s spouting bullpoo and hoping I don`t have time to refute it all. He`s exaggerating, lying, applying double standards.

Seriously Crack, write up your standards without actively including the words specific to one group.

Every drating week I give you a perfectly reasonable way of defeating my arguments and every week you sidestep them.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: You damn well know that both the N-word and `Zionist` have racial connections that the words liberal and conservative do not. They are not equal, not by a long shot. But keep making yourself look like a derisive fool, I don`t continue to care anymore.
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Male 1,583
meh... i liked the typography.
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Male 4,546
Seriously.

according to you, if the term is still in use. It isn`t a slur.

The n word is self used.
The z word is self used.
The l word is self used.

What exactly do you consider the difference other than your personal exaggeration?
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Male 10,855
[quote]If you support Israel in anyway you`re deemed to be the enemy of islam and thus deserve death.[/quote]

Oh yeah because Turkey`s been pro-Israel since 1949. Egypt`s military has also decided to honor their peace treaty.
Seriously where do you get this crap from?
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Male 737
Oh my God... this was impossible to watch because of the weird flashing text.
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Male 4,546
Ya know what, in that case, drat it. I guess zionist isn`t a slur then either. I`ve already pointed out the similarities.

You`ve already made points that effectively claim the n word isn`t a slur, AND claimed zionist is being used like the n word.

Whatever your standards, write them up, and we`ll judge.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Also, The clip they used was not from Fox News, it is clearly labeled "CBS" in the left corner.

I guess you believe that it was Fox News because of your bias against them.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Evidently you didn`t read my earlier response. I don`t use the word `liberal` as a derogatory term, Nor do I consider anyone calling me `conservative` as derogatory.

I don`t care if they call themselves progressive, liberal, socialist, democrat, or whatever.

The intent of slurring someone is not there, In the case of the word liberal.

Zionist however is now being used as a derogatory term toward not only Israelis but Americans, Britains, and others as well. If you support Israel in anyway you`re deemed to be the enemy of islam and thus deserve death.
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Male 4,546
Wriggle wriggle wriggle.

:)

Quite frankly, I think your criticism of TYT is the same criticism you levy against anyone who posts anything you disagree with, but carry on, there are real points to discuss.
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Male 1,021
Best thing I-A-B ever posted.
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Male 1,219
Liberal is a slur? News to me.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Young Turks is well known for taking clips out of context and turning them into something they aren`t, it`s like a game to them.[/quote]

Except that wasn`t a Young Turks clip. That was the original video unedited.
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Male 4,546
Yeah the ideologies is partially my fault.

You can skip the Republicans bringing in shariah law, however, whether you like it or not, liberal is used as a slur, and thus, my argument stands.

Well, it doesn`t, it fails, but that`s because it`s an imitation of yours crak, which fails alongside it.

Zionists called themselves zionist too. They stopped using the term when it became unfavoured.

Liberals called themselves liberals too. They stopped using it (now retermed progressive by many) because it became unfavoured.

Conservatives now use it more than Liberals. Negatively.

Arabs now use it more than Israeli supporters.
Negatively.

The difference is, you hate one group, so are pretending this is unforgivable, alien and new, when it is unfortunate, commonplace, and pretty standard fare.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Young Turks is well known for taking clips out of context and turning them into something they aren`t, it`s like a game to them.

It`s as if they say to themselves, "Let`s see just how far we can spin some clip to the verge of becoming absurd and get away with it".
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Male 1,547
@wsmithpa
That depends, are you a Muslim? ;)
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Male 4,546
Kingpong:

I`ve done it for 15 pages.

I`m pretty much done taking him seriously at this stage.
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Male 87
no matter what you say baalthazaq, this video told me your lying. hehe i am a troll.... or am i?
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Male 10,855
This has gone from an argument about Muslims to political ideologies.
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Male 17,511
Altaru: As you well know the N-word has a racial connection that is very derogatory. The words liberal and conservative are not similarly derogatory.

I don`t call people liberals as an attack, insult or slur, nor do I consider some one calling me a conservative an attack, insult or slur.
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Male 4,546
Also, are you suggesting the videoclip they posted from Fox is also too biased?

Come on Crakr, have a little fun. :)
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Male 639
Phuck it, I`m leaving, there`s no point trying to have a discussion with Crakr, it`s like arguing with one of those pull-string dolls with only 5 pre-programmed phrases. At least Furbies could learn new things to say.
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Male 3,482
[quote]As long as liberals call themselves liberals and conservatives call themselves conservatives, they are not slurs.[/quote]
So... By this logic, n*gga isn`t a slur?

After all, I`ve heard plenty of blacks call each other such.

Besides, what about the times you start slinging around "liberal" as an insult when we go at it on these very forums? Especially considering that I`m not even liberal...

(I was gonna stay out of this completely, and this is likely going to be my only post, but it got to the point I was losing too much blood from biting my tongue (fingers?). Crakr`s just trying to argue semantics here, honestly, and I would say stop feeding the troll, except that we all know he honestly believes the bullsh*t he spews...)
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Male 4,546
Kingpong, a better example would be:


From FBI.org`s terrorist stats, graphic I think made by loonwatch though, which has a good refutation of some followup arguments.

Point being, the argument that terrorism went up 1200% in the Mid East after 2 invasions is not a coincidence cannot be supported by ridiculous assertions that Islam is a 2003 phenomenon there.

The idea that this is entirely religious is absurd.
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Male 17,511
kingpong: It was later found that only a few of those guys out of the whole `militia` they arrested ever mentioned doing anything violent and even then it was predicated on American society falling into ruin because of the economy.

In other words, It was bullsh|t "What if" talk among some red necks with guns, There was no real `plan` it was all a supposition taken out of context.
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Male 76
That is just as brave as it is accurate. Thanks for the post.
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Male 639
and the N-word is okay since black people use it too.
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@Baalthazaq
You need to at least be fair. CrackrJak doesn`t call it Sharia, he calls it Deuteronomy.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: As long as liberals call themselves liberals and conservatives call themselves conservatives, they are not slurs. They are simply descriptive terms with definitions that are not derogatory.

I call myself a conservative, are you suggesting i`ve made a slur against myself ? You`re ridiculous.
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Male 10,855
[quote]You have a habit of declaring victory even in defeat.[/quote]

Tu quoque
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Male 85
baalthazag so, to use what im constantly ridiculed for: "All republicans are bad" we need to stop putting labels on people and classing them up like the sheeple they are. that`s fascist Marxist poo. and its communistic to work to the means to no end. Liberty trumps all, every time.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: The link you gave quotes using an adjective along with the word `liberal`, and even then they are no more slurs than when the word conservative is bandied about in a similar fashion.

You have a habit of declaring victory even in defeat.

Also, posting a link to a video of `The Young Turks` is no better than linking to Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews, they are just as biased.
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Male 171
Ba na, na nana na na na TAQQIYA!!! Heh. So Islamic people really ARE evil! Much like many other people and religions. But they take their poo to the extreme! But nothing is extreme as AMERICA! drat YEAH!
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Male 4,546
Cajun:
I know. ;)
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Male 4,546
Incidentally Crakr, I wanted your opinion on the following.

You see, Republicans are bringing shariah law to the US, and I was just wondering about your take on that.

After all, you raised a big fuss when AIG offered fixed rate asset sharing schemes because they`re Shariah compliant alongside compound interest loans.

That`s one of the examples of "creeping Shariah law". Note: This is not the Shariah law you talk about. This is the Shariah law almost all Muslims actually agree with and support.

The Republicans on the other hand want fewer people in the military, because of shariah law. (And in this case, it`s the dirty kind of Shariah law that hates gays).

Opinion?
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Male 10,855
@Baalthazaaq

BTW Americans don`t know what the Hell thy`re talking when they say liberal/conservative.
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Male 10,855
In Iran? Sure it happens, but the populace there are getting fed up with it.
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Male 10,855
Not UAE, not Oman, not Morocco.
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Male 4,546
Crakr:

So a repeat of your earlier argument and a lie about liberal not being used derogatorily?

Ok, excellent. Want to try again? Or should we just consider your point defeated and move on?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Whole countries do[/quote]
Not Turkey, not Jordan, not Indonesia. Just Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. So quit your damn Muzzie bashing.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Muslims use the word "Zionist" as a slur on a regular basis[/quote]

Who? Crakr. Who?

I`ve paid attention to the situation in Egypt to know this is simply not the case. All I hear are higher ups uttering this nonsense. Is it the consensus of all Muslims? I doubt that very much. There`s anti-Zionism in EVERY culture around the world and 90% of the time (exaggeration, but you get the point) it is a fringe element even in Muslim countries.

Honor killings you say? That actually happens in Texas a LOT and in an overwhelming majority of the time it doesn`t involve a single Muslim.
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Male 217
Best video i-a-b has posted in a long time. I`m glad I finally know the truth about Islam - why there are seemingly 2 different factions, the extremists and the pacifists. Now I see. Now I understand.
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Male 181
So the author of this video shares his interpretation of the Koran with the Taliban. I`m shocked. I suppose he would be surprised to learn that long ago, Baghdad was the scientific center of the world and that the Islamic nations were prosperous, diverse and peaceful, when Christian Europe was filled with brutal, savage ignoramuses.

These were believers using the same books available to us today. Obviously, the factors which go into a region`s level of violence or attitudes toward outsiders is more complicated than its religion alone.

Luckily, I don`t need some bigot on YouTube to tell me how to feel about my Muslim friends and neighbors.
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Male 626
Oh, you silly people, still believeing in a big man in the sky who nobody can see.
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Male 1,547
@ShamaziaV2
His sources are Qur`an and Hadith passages (his own interpretation of them) and an anti-Islam website that masquerades as being actually Muslim.

@CrackrJak
The problem is that you disown people as Christian if they do something immoral despite their claims be Christian (which is all that matters). Then, if that fails, you`ll distance yourself from them by some excuse (which you don`t matter anyways, you are claiming to defend Christianity as a whole). Then you`ll split hairs by saying that they didn`t say the exact phrase: "Praise God!". I know this because I`ve given you this list before on several occasions. Refer yourself to an earlier flame war because I`m too lazy tonight to post reference links.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Whole countries do, it`s not just a few individuals.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Also, there is nothing peaceful about beating women, stoning `fornicators`, eye for an eye, honor killings, or chopping people`s hands off.[/quote]

...and how many Muslims ACTUALLY engage in such behavoir?
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Muslims use the word "Zionist" as a slur on a regular basis, they equate it with fascism, which is really quite sick since Jews were the victims of fascism during WWII.

It`s akin to calling a black man a white supremacist.
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Male 58
I liked how they proclaimed themselves as "White Roses"... a little bit too much don`t you think?

Oh great war heros!!

I cannot take anyone seriously, if at the same time they use name of a former real non-violent resistance group to spread an important message.

In sum, I don`t like people that uses others name to sign their "propaganda".
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Male 236
Why interject in a religious debate with a comment saying "f" religion or ATHEISTS FTW? we get it, youre superior because science. cool.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: And I knew you would re-iterate the falsehood that the word `liberal` is used as a slur.

If you wanted to be truthful maybe the words `moonbat` or `tree hugger` are sometimes used, but the words liberal and conservative are not.
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Male 3,477
"F" All Religion
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Male 17,511
Volsunga: I`ve yet to hear of a Christian that commits murder yelling `Praise God!` afterward. Maybe there has been an isolated case, but I`ve never heard of it happening.
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Crakr:
I knew you`d miss the point instantly.

So. Lets see.

Them saying zionist as a slur makes Muslims as a group bad.

My refutation was "You use liberal as a slur".

These are identical arguments.

So. You are left with:
1) "Well gosh, I didn`t see it that way, I guess we`re bad". (Following your argument)
2) "Well gosh, I didn`t see it that way, I guess that`s a bad argument". (Following mine)

You can add all the people you want to the list of people who are bad, but this isn`t a new argument disconnected from the old.

It is a single cohesive argument, which you`re ignoring. You know this.

So, is using it as a slur (as you do) "sickening", or not?

Now personally, I think the people who do it are disgusting. I also don`t think they are representative.
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Male 17,511
YungureKage: You could easily have clicked the `View on Youtube` button and that would`ve directed you Here for sources.

The quran says explicitly that`s text are not free to abrogate, People in the west only believe so because the bible is quite frequently interpreted differently. The two are not alike.

The quran and sharia are a whole way of life, `moderate muslims` or `secular muslims` are viewed as being just as bad as non-muslims to those that are devout. Valentines Day is banned in several muslim countries, it`s viewed as a corruption.
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Male 113
man, what a load of bullshiit
well, haters gonna hate
if i have the time i will make a similar video full of rebuttals of these ridiculous accusations
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Male 1,547
@CrackrJak
Of course theft isn`t equal to mass murder. What you should be comparing is when a Christian commits mass murder versus a Muslim committing mass murder. Both do it only in the name of their respective deities. Conversely, when a Christian robs a bank or a Muslim robs a bank, neither does so in the name of a god.
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Male 2,402
@ShamaziaV2

I did. Click on the link I provided. The Quran is interpretive and not literal.
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Male 236
@yugure, he states his sources at the end of the video.
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Male 236
all the people who disagree with the video, show your evidence. guy makes a convincing argument, and has his sources to back it up. everyone who is bashing it just because its against a religion other than christianity, maybe listen really hard, and think about it and realize perhaps he`s right. if you still disagree, show evidence.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Usually when a muslim commits an atrocity, like firebombing a Coptic church, It comes along with shouts of "Allah Akbar!".
You seem to believe that if a Christian goes out and robs a bank, that the two crimes are somehow equal in nature.
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Female 1,203
This seems extremely biased. I want to know who this person is who made this, what his education is (rather how qualified he claims to be to talk on this matter) and where he has pulled his arguments from. It is true that the Qu`ran was written my Mohammad in his life time, and it does have angry passages, but that does not mean that it is free from interpretation like the bible. Any religious fanatic that takes their religious book literally will of course do insane things! These books are pretty crazy and should interpreted at least on some level. I am good friends with some Muslims, I took a course here at college about the history of Islam with a very well read scholar, and I the most important thing to know about Islam is this:

1. It is a religion. Therefore, it has a wide range of follows from the non-practicing to the fanatic. Just like any other religion.
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Male 639
Well, Baal of course you`d use that argument about the taqiyya because that`s what the taqiyya says to do. Clearly Crakr has you by the shorthairs on this one.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Perhaps you should admonish your liberal allies on using the term `tea bagger` as a slur first. The words liberal and conservative are not slurs, and not used as such.

Weak straw man argument there Baal, I`ve come to expect so much better from you.
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Male 4,546
Look, Crakr, I`m happy to play along with all of your petty games.

At the end of the day, you`ll say when a Muslim does it, it`s an atrocity, and completely because of Islam. When a Christian does it, you`ll claim either, that it`s justified, or nothing to do with religion.

That`s your modus operandi.

I on the other hand consistently defend my religion and your own, with the same arguments for both.
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Male 4,546
Also, I`d take the comment about "Zionist used as a slur" more seriously if you and your ilk didn`t use "Liberal" as a slur.

Would you care to take this time to admonish your fellow Republicans or is that with-held until they convert to Islam?
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Male 4,546
Crakr:
Ah, you missed the part where I (and many others) addressed the Taqiyya argument. (Not that refuting it numerous times before did any good).

Is this the part where I call you a cryptochristian who shouldn`t be trusted, or will you not afford me the same respect you demand for yourself?
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Male 66
Wow, don`t be fooled by the non-American accent! (Really, I almost was.) This videos is just jingoistic crap that treats the Koran entirely literally, which, like all religious texts, is entirely impossible to do.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: I`ve seen countless examples on video of different imams and clerics repeating Komeni`s `Great Satan` quote. They use the word `Zionist` like the KKK use the N-word, as a slur. It`s sickening.

But go on, keep denying that fact. Continue on with your taqiyya.
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Male 2,402
What a bunch of ironic BS diatribe. Many Muslims don`t even realize that it`s rewritten such as the oldest Quran found in Yemen which does not even have any dots over letters to give expressed meanings to words. It`s words if mis-punctuated can have up toward 30 different meanings on the same word or phrase. Also the passages are just as interpretive by Imams and their revelations. That`s why they have the Hadith. It`s no different than Christians and their revelations and interpretations of the bible.

CFR on the oldest Quran:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc

Oh but of course it`s being handle by an infidel. He couldn`t be possibly correct could he?
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Male 506
I have known this sort of thing beforehand. I remember being given leaflets from the now disbanded `Islam4UK` and how they believe and enforce that Islam, I literally quote `Islam is the (bold)only solution(bold) for every injustice` - that sentence is one the leaflet I am holding right now.

It shocks and saddens me how a religous group, or any religous group strives to take control in place of government and power. Believe what you want, pray to who ever, but DON`T put `faith in God` in a place of human progression.

GRRRRR. It frustrates me just reading this leaflet.

`God (Allah) created mankind and also knows what is best for mankind`

`Oppression and injustices have been coined with the British History. Islam is the system that is void of any injustice because it is the path chosen by Allah.`

I am picking sentences but believe me, if you read through the entire text - you will understand where I am debating from.
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Male 138
whatever, F you Mohammad, come and kill me now.
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Male 1,547
@uplink
define the difference.
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Male 4,546
Crakr:

You too make an poignant point calling America the Great Satan. I didn`t think you thought of your home country as the single primary source of evil, but I guess with your years of experience there you must know what you`re talking about.

Now are we quite done manipulating others arguments to suit our own needs, and putting falsehoods in their mouths on their behalf?

I really hope we are.
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Male 541
What I learned: It looks like this Islam stuff is a bunch of BS for them to take over the world. Seems less like a religion and more like a cult to me.
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Male 639
Thanks Baal, I`ll take your word on it and go back to not caring again.
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Male 10,440
[quote] the problem of religion (any religion) is that it creates unity. [/quote]

Religion (any religion), quite clearly has more problems than that.
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Male 4,546
Hi kingpong.

I personally don`t think it is all that different except how we identify ourselves.

That`s kindof my point.

Technically I`m a Hanafist, but *nobody* calls themselves a Hanafist like you would call yourself a Lutheran or whatever.

If you`re a Hanafist, you`re Sunni. End of.

Practically though, no, I don`t see a major difference. I consider them denominations.
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Male 418
this is why i don`t trust muslims, well that and 911
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Male 17,511
Volsunga: You pointed out a very poignant argument there, with your experience. Sunni, Shia, Sufi all despise one another and although do come together briefly at times to fight the `Great Satan` (aka America) they are not at peace with one another and likely never will be.

Saying that islam is a religion of peace belies the tension boiling underneath it`s exterior. Also, there is nothing peaceful about beating women, stoning `fornicators`, eye for an eye, honor killings, or chopping people`s hands off.
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Male 4,546
Cman:

I`d advise this which gives the three most common translations.

Quran.com is another, but only gives a single translation.

If you want the worst just set out and labelled for you, you can always go with the Skeptic`s Annotated Quran. The translation they use though is the same as one of the 3 from the CMJE.
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Male 639
Baal, how is the Sunni vs. Shiia thing any different than Protestant vs. Catholics? In both cases there are different schools under each group, yet in the Christian group, especially the Protestants, they are considered different denominations. And there is the third group in each that doesn`t match up with the other two, Eastern Orthodox and Sufi. I`m not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I genuinely want to know and I don`t want to look it up myself. Right now I don`t see why it`s any different but I`ve heard from a lot of different sources that it is and never bothered to think about it.
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Male 39,902
What I got from this...

quoran and bible both start one way, then change at the end.

Islam and Christians bot "go forth to spread the word"

Islam and Christians want to use their faith to judge the world.



GO ATHIESTS!
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Male 617
dammit IAB, now I have to know...where`re my keys, i gotta go buy me a qur`an somewhere...(fuuu-)
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Male 2,591
they ever try to convert me or put that sharia law garbage on me i got somethin for `em. an oscar meyer 1lb of bacon, bxtches
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Female 781
What I got from this:

1. Forget all that stuff you heard about Islam being tolerant and non-violent.
2. Muslims want to impose their evil, bloodthirsty government all around the world.
3. They will lie about these sinister ambitions.

So basically the creators of this video want us to feel blanket hatred for Islam and all its followers. Somehow I am suspicious of this motive and, therefore, their arguments.
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Male 541
Stop moving the text around!!
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Male 1,547
Another thing to point out here on the "Later Qur`an" vs the "Early Qur`an". The early Qur`an, refers to the time when Muhammad lived and preached in Mecca. This section is mostly claims of divine knowledge as well as "corrections" to the Christian and Jewish texts. Muhammad`s following was a hated minority in Mecca (which was pagan at that time) and the texts reflect pandering to the lower classes to gain influence, which gives you a lot of the "peaceful" messages. The "Later period" refers to after Muhammad took over Medina. Most of this part is source for Sharia because basically the townspeople would bitch about their problems to Muhammad and ask for a moral judgment, then he`d go "pray for answers" and get a "divine revelation" to be written as law. The claim that the latter supersedes the former isn`t in the Qur`an, It`s in a hadith, which acceptance among Muslims isn`t universal.
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Male 4,546
Though I do agree Vol, that that kind of talk does possibly cause problems.

Think of it this way.
I find a quote of Lincoln saying the US is united.
I find a quote of some nutjob wanting to "Turn the middle east to glass".

I then claim you`re some homogenous mindless evil who "EVEN BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION" agree on all things.

It`s silly but that doesn`t mean Lincoln was silly when he talked of American unity.

I`ve always said, the problem of religion (any religion) is that it creates unity. It is the oldenday version of "Mutually Assured Destruction".

"If you touch me I`m part of a group of a billion... so don`t".

This creates peace/harmony, until someone is dumb enough to force the billion to move. Worse if that idiot is part of another billion.
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Male 4,546
Well, the only difference is I think what you refer to as denominations.

The Muslims accept and discuss the various schools, but they ultimately fall under one of two subsections.

Sunni and Shiia.

Sufi is far enough removed from Islam that it is considered another religion all together.

Are you talking about something other than that, because that`s half my point when discussing Shariah law, and the lack of a single perspective ruling it.

I also think you`re looking at Muslim unity wrong. The point isn`t "there`s one branch" any more than American unity suggests there`s only one party there.
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Male 266
All religions are stupid and dangerous, and moderate religious people unwittingly act as the silk glove for the extremists. This is true, specially both for catholicism and islam.
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Male 1,547
...explains something completely irrelevant from what I`ve asked.

@KannaLilly
The thing with Muslims is, they claim to be that single-minded force. Of course they aren`t, but that doesn`t stop both the extremists and the anti-Muslim propaganda from using that proclamation to their advantage.
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Male 260
Convert now... or fall forever.
Sounds like an UNDERverse thing to me.
Count me out.
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Male 39,902
JoeYC - [quote]"when is the world going to wake up and realise that all religion`s are just superstitious bulls***."[/quote]

Two things.

1 - Religion isn`t the reason, it`s the excuse. People would fight over economic systems like capitalism vs communism. Or just power struggles unrelated to faith as seen in the african nations.

2 - If that`s you in the avatar you`re really cute! ;-)
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@Baal
The rest of my post is ..."not radical".


Basically, from what I`ve learned, there are almost as many "denominations" of Muslims as there are Christians, but they will only ever admit two. At my university, I attended a debate between a Catholic, Orthodox Jew, Lutheran, Sunni and Shi`a on women`s role in religion. Half the debate was taken up by the two Muslims, as well as several Muslims in the audience arguing over what the correct interpretation of the Qur`an is for both denominations as if they were talking about facts, not opinions. The Catholic and the Jew didn`t even really get a chance to talk aside from their opening statements (which was the only part of the debate that was on topic). Now that I have a class on Islam and watching speeches of several imams, I can see that this theme is universal. When I try to ask my professor (a retired theologian from a Turkish Islamic Seminary), he doesn`t even understand what I`m asking and expla
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Female 635
I`m not sure I believe all this. No religious group - indeed, no group of people at all - has only single minded, unanimously good or evil people.
My step father is a Muslim, and recently he`s accepted me as both an atheist and a lesbian. True, he had issues with it at first, and tired very hard to convert me or `save me` or whatever, but he isn`t violent to my mother or myself. He actually admires Catholics (as Christians, Jews, and Muslims share the same god via different prophets).
As the video says - for every opinion, there are facts that prove and facts that disprove. The person who made this video seems to forget that that applies to him, also.
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Male 1,610
The Intelligence Squared debate on whether or not Islam is a religion of peace was much better. The fact that the most qualified people they could get to defend Islam in the presence of Ayaan Hirsi Ali was an ex-extremest and a young and inexperienced orator said more than anything else in that debate.
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Male 4,546
Hatface.

Well, let me put it another way. Would you want the IAB mods censoring stuff based on their opinion of whether it is right or wrong?

More specifically, would you want *me* blocking content like this? I don`t think so.

Though, I do agree with you about this being misinformation, I`d rather argue my case publicly than block it privately.
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Male 721
when is the world going to wake up and realise that all religion`s are just superstitious bulls***.
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Male 551
So... Basically...
Islam is what the catholic church wants to be but can`t?

The bible is meant to be taken literally too, but because
it was being attacked so much, so easily and so hard, the
church "permitted" people to "interpret" it

All religions are stupid, brain washing nonsense, contradictory
and based on the ideology of a world conquered by them
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Male 394
So I guess the message to us Non Muslims, is convert or die. and also don`t trust Muslims preaching peace.

Gee thanks hate mongers...
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Male 51
All religions are dangerous, even if they don`t include violence in their doctrine. The act of magical thinking is the inherent danger in believing something fantastical.
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Male 605
*I don`t think that helps anyone
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Male 605
@Baal, sure IAB post anti and pro, which is commendable. But from the evidence you`ve given, a majority of this video is misinformation. I don`t that helps anyone.
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Male 4,546
matasomethin

"This is ignorant.. I-A-B, i`ve lost respect for you and your community".

Speaking as a Moderator and a Muslim: IAB tries to incorporate a lot of stuff. That includes stuff many of us disagree with.

Like this video. I could have probably put it straight in the trash pile as soon as it came in, but I know that by doing so I`m applying my own biases to it.

As such, I don`t block Muslim material, good or bad, irrespective of content (Including pictures of Mohammed). Nor do I block/ban people for anti-Islamic comments. If it`s really over the top I`ll inform the other moderators for their judgement.

It is important however is that our opinion as a group does not impact the opinion of the site as a whole.

We include posts that are anti, and pro, every group.
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Male 10,855
I`m sorry but the people pushing the Muslim conspiracy is starting to make moon-landing conspiracy theorists look like mild elevator music players.
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Male 10,855
Then what, we`ll stop giving money to the IARA (can`t their defunct now). Regardless they`ll know NOT to give money to terrorists behind our backs.
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Male 4,546
Also, Volsunga, I`m interested in the rest of your post if you`d care to finish it.
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Male 5,314
8 mins. for 3 points? tl;dw
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Male 10,855
Considering the situation in Egypt, Iran, and Turkey?

I dare say: not a lot.
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Male 10,855
Okay how many Muslims actually take these commandments seriously?

70% of the Turkish population drinks alcohol (a big no-no so I`ve heard).
Hell even in Iran there was a reporter who saw alcohol being exchanged between cars.

I don`t care what you say I`m not going to judge someone based on what their holy book says.
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Male 76
Wow that is a loooooong video just to say "Islam is bad"
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Male 1,587
It would be nice to know if he was Muslim... going back to the whole taqiyya thing...
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Male 3,431
"...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,` thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

Religion should exist between an individual and their God, not an individual and their Government.

Religion is a fire. It can either save your from the cold or burn you to death.

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Male 740
Posted by a Canadian.
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