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  1. Profile photo of fk
    fk Male 70 & Over
    953 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 6:48 am
    Link: Sure Conservatives Suck, But So Do Liberals - For every hardcore conservative telling gays not to marry, there`s a wacko liberal forcing their agenda on their kids.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 6:53 am
    this was a pretty week example of progressive craziness!
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 6:54 am
    and by week i mean weak!
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 6:54 am
    Unless thats a dwarf with dyslexia.
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    jfunkhsr Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 6:55 am
    yes encouraging acceptance and equality at a young age is definitely evil brainwashing

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    KPres Male 30-39
    309 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:14 am
    "yes encouraging acceptance and equality at a young age is definitely evil brainwashing."

    Correct, but we can`t stop with homosexuality and transvestites. Beastialitists need equal protection as well.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:18 am
    The poster:
    Male, 70 & Over, Africa
    Yep. It`s the Eat Da Poo Poo "Doctor"

    Oh no! Gayyyyysss. Shut your face doc.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:19 am
    Haha...the kid`s expression is priceless.

    Good example of progressive craziness.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:21 am


    What is it with nut-jobs always thinking gay marriage leads to `animal husbandry`? Remember when black people were considered cattle? Same thinking. It`s 2011 you disk-poo.

    If gay marriage makes you "uncomfortable", then don`t get gay married, ya jack-wagon.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:25 am
    I dont get it?
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    Captn Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:28 am
    "What is it with nut-jobs always thinking gay marriage leads to `animal husbandry`? Remember when black people were considered cattle? Same thinking. It`s 2011 you disk-poo."

    A man in Australia recently married his dog.
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    yepimbored Male 30-39
    131 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:34 am
    Kid has the expression like someone just splooged a load in his mouth. That`ll teach ya
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:35 am
    "Correct, but we can`t stop with homosexuality and transvestites. Beastialitists need equal protection as well."

    You`re taking it a little far here. The logical next step would be polygamists.

    And while I don`t subscribe to the slippery slope theory (gay marriage means we`ll automatically slide into polygamy), I do think that whenever you move the line you`ve drawn in the sand, you must consider how far to move it.

    In other words, if we`re looking to make gay marriage legal, before we pass that law, we should consider making other forms of non traditional marriage legal as well.

    Just because we make gay marriage legal, doesn`t mean we have to make polygamy legal. And just because we don`t want to make polygamy legal, doesn`t mean we can`t make gay marriage legal. It`s just that we can`t change the definition of marriage without considering ALL non-traditional marriages.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:36 am
    "Correct, but we can`t stop with homosexuality and transvestites. Beastialitists need equal protection as well."

    Don`t forget rapists and pedophiles. We need to learn to accept every walk of life. It isn`t a choice, they are born that way!
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:39 am


    A man marrying a dog is not like two humans marrying each other. Gay marriage did not lead HIM to marry a dog. A man in Japan married a video game character. Not the same thing. Saying that gay marriage leads to bestiality is like saying eating at several Mexican restaurants makes you black (Seinfeld). There is no logical connection between the two, that is, unless you are illogical.

    Two gay people marrying is still a decision between two consenting human adults. A marriage between a human and an animal involves the conscious consent of only one party, which is why it is logically wrong.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:44 am
    If the line on marriage can`t be drawn as 1 Man and 1 Woman, Then it can`t be drawn at all.

    That is what the liberals wanted, The destruction of the word marriage goes a long way toward destroying the words family, home, and normal as well.

    The freaks have their foot in the door now, It`s only a matter of time before it all goes to hell.
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    slugs Male 30-39
    357 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:46 am
    WTF, how do conservatives suck? I think you mean "republicans". Conservatism means small government that doesn`t interfere in your personal life. Liberalism means big government where the government controls everything. Freaking brainwashed morons, think for yourself, stop watching oprah. This is what is wrong with the US. People think that being liberal you get more freedoms. haha, wrong! Government owns yer ass.
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    emrsncptv Female 18-29
    52 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:47 am
    @Kegomatix: yes because beastiality, rape, and pedophilia are exactly the same as a sexual relationship between two CONSENTING human beings
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    Billy62 Male 18-29
    159 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:50 am
    Because you never see children at conservative rallies holding signs?
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:54 am
    I can`t stand parents who force these things on their kids. Your child is a person, not a billboard for your cause.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:55 am
    If the line on marriage can`t be drawn as 1 Man and 1 Woman, Then it can`t be drawn at all.
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    Sure it can. You`re not using logic for your argument. The constitution guarantees equality for all. If heterosexuals can marry than gays can marry. That slippery slope argument fails because polygamy is a crime, incest is a crime and besitality is a crime.
    If you`re stating that gay people are "freaks" then what the hell are you?
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:55 am
    @CrakrJak

    Yeah! Damn all those non-traditional families! Especially single mother families, single father families, families with kids living with grandparents or aunts and uncles, families with kids living with older siblings, families with adopted and foster children too.

    Yeah, and all those gay people wanting to get married also have some international conspiracy to destroy straight marriage! Cuz you know, NO STRAIGHT COUPLES EVER HAVE DIVORCE! Also, all those ABORTIONS gay couples will have! Cuz you know, NO STRAIGHT COUPLES HAVE EVER HAD AN ABORTION!

    And All those "Liberals" too! Anyone who`s gay or bi or colored MUST be a liberal, Cuz you know, THERE ARE NO GAY, COLORED, BI, TRANS, ETC Conservatives. Cuz you know, gays don`t want to start families, they want to destroy them! They only want to get married for all the butt-secks!
    No gay couple will use their married status to get health insurance for their spouse and children! Their GAY ABOR
  23. Profile photo of zombunny
    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:57 am
    "What is it with nut-jobs always thinking gay marriage leads to `animal husbandry`?"

    It will lead to animal husbandry! First you let the gays marry and the next thing you know they`ll be buying ranches and breeding cattle together!
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:57 am
    @slugs

    Hey slugs, I`m actually a Gay Republican and I would NEEEEEEVEEERRR associated myself with the "Conservative" movement, mainly because they`ve stemmed from the Republican party, then went all bat-poo crazy on us. There are still a few of us REAL Republicans around, but don`t get the two confused.

    Todays "Conservative" party has become a FAUX News billboard of craziness.
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
    271 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:58 am
    womens clothes = consent
    gays = consent
    polygamist = consent

    animals = no consent
    children = no censent

    it`s fairly easy to see that any argument like "if that happens, then this will follow" is totally devoid of understanding.

    people should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as all parties involved are totally responsible and culpable for thier actions.

    as an aside, that kids parents are lame. and his handwriting sucks. i`d work on the penmanship before i worked on sexual rights with him.
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    EntrE Male 18-29
    535 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:00 am
    @slugs
    omg, seriously? liberalism also stands for small government, it even has that idea in it`s name. liberalism stands for the liberty of the market => free market => small government. conservatism means conserving the old, sticking to the way things are. the opposite of conservative is progressive, not liberal!
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:00 am
    @zombunny

    .... DEAR G_D. YOU`RE RIGHT. The moment I laid eyes on my boyfriend and thought of proposing to him, all I could think of was starting and ALPACA FARM!

    MY G_D. The sweaters. The horrible. Horrible. Sweaters.

    ;)
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    DJDoubleb Male 30-39
    382 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:00 am
    Why can`t parent let kids be kids?

    Honestly this kid gives two poos about gay marriage.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:05 am
    @disoriented1

    I LOLed. So hard.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:05 am
    If the line on marriage can`t be drawn as 1 Man and 1 Woman, Then it can`t be drawn at all.

    That is what the liberals wanted, The destruction of the word marriage goes a long way toward destroying the words family, home, and normal as well.

    The freaks have their foot in the door now, It`s only a matter of time before it all goes to hell.
    Yes, Crakr, you`ve uncovered the secret plot: All we want to do is marry rocks and fish and fire and f*ck our brains out with them. You got us.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:07 am
    @zombunny

    I actually can`t stand alpacas, llamas, camels and the like. They stink to the deeps sh*ts of hell. And they have dumb faces. Like taylor lautner.

    Though a sweater made of panda fur . . .
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:08 am
    @Pooptart19

    For.the.win.
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    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:08 am
    LOL @ people arguing over two different kinds of liberalism. Classic liberalism was all about the free markets, keep government out, etc. What we call conservatives today adhere to many ideas from classic liberalism. Those we call liberals today, however, seem to want more welfare (different from entitlements, let`s not open that can of worms) and some market regulation. I think.... it`s been a couple weeks since the final so I kinda stopped caring.

    Not as if it really matters. If we keep trying to paint things black and white in the states, we`ll eventually end up floating in a pool of our own GRAY matter..... boom. end of civilization joke that was kinda science-y. I went there
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:11 am
    Dude, if you and your husband (er, sorry, CIVIL UNION LIFE PARTNER/ROOMMATE) start a panda farm I will be the first in line to buy a sweater.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:14 am
    @zombunny

    DONE!

    @krisley

    THANK.YOU.
    Also, you look like Rupert Grint ;)
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    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:15 am
    @disoriented I`m not exactly sure who that is, but I took it as a compliment, and instead of looking him up and being disheartened, I`ll just take it as such.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:20 am
    Actually, I think this is necessary. Morals are often passed down from their parents or other organizations. Look at religion. Religion is drating crazy. The concept is drating crazy. I am going to teach my children to accept homosexuals and that it is okay for them to marry. Also, that there is no invisible man in the sky. If not for the reason that it is the right thing to do, but because his/her IQ would be statistically higher because of it.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:20 am
    Krisley, all you need to know is that he is a sexy, sexy ginger.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:21 am
    @krisley

    He plays Ron Weasley in the Harry Potter movies
    (i think he`s gorgeous)
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    Golroc Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:22 am
    Extremism in this form is completely counterproductive. It shouldn`t matter where you stand, to employ children to make an "adult" point is just plain wrong. I see this, and I can easily see a young child at a Klan rally shouting things that he/she doesn`t understand.
  41. Profile photo of krisley
    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:26 am
    I`m compelled to reply to my admirers, but don`t want to stray TOO far from the topic at hand. So I`ll actually comment on the picture first :P

    Far as I can tell, arguing that homosexual marriage destroys families is baseless. Parents pass on their ideas to their children, whether adopted or biological, and all this picture does is prove that.

    `Kay now the important stuff. @my new found friends, does this mean I get to bone an Emma Watson look-alike? If so..... SCORE!
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:27 am


    Wildman knows that marriage is sacred bond between a man and a woman, never two dudes.
  43. Profile photo of disoriented1
    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:27 am
    @Golroc

    Very true. Although I believe in the issue, adults should be doing the rallying. Though, there is the issue that if he is part of a gay family, he should be there, but not holding a sign.

    But also, if a cause is there not to portray hate, then I believe it`s a little more ok for their kids to be there. Situations like the Westboro Baptist Hate Group are a different thing.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:29 am
    @krisley

    Superscore dude. She`s very pretty, for a girl.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:31 am
    @Kozy

    What about hot lesbians?
    Think about that double standard.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:32 am
    I agree with the sentiment on the card. I also agree that the kid is far too young to be there holding said card.

    A thought on the slippery slope argument; why start the slope beyond heterosexual marriage?

    "If we let those straight people marry, then it`s only a matter of time before gay people and bears are getting married! A line must be drawn!"

    Why do people always want to draw the line only after they personally have stepped past it?
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:34 am
    @CrakrJak
    If the line on marriage can`t be drawn as 1 Man and 1 Woman, Then it can`t be drawn at all.
    I may be a libertarian, but I still like you more than liberals.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:38 am
    @CrakrJak

    Are you single? Married? Divorced?

    It might seem a very personal question, but if you seem so happy about getting all up in other people`s personal lives, then I don`t see why you can complain about us getting all up in yours.

    So what about it CrakrJak? Want to tell us your personal situation, so you can practice what you preach?

    I want to be sure that:

    1: You`ve never had sex outside of wedlock.
    2: You`ve never got divorced.
    3: You`ve never cheated.
    4: And if it turns out you`re single, why? Marriage is for procreation, and you`re getting a bit old...you might miss the chance to do your duty.

    Going to care to share? To ensure we`re all aware that you`re preaching about other people`s marrital perversions from a standpoint of unassailable purity.
  49. Profile photo of zombunny
    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:39 am
    @CrakrJak

    Really? Because I thought drawing the line at "two consenting adults" would be just fine.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:40 am
    @Musuko42
    DAMN STRAIGHT! (pun intended)

    "If WE can`t get married, YOU can`t DIVORCE!"
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:42 am
    Kozy if your against gay marriage then you`re against the constitutions 14th amendment which means you`re not Libertarian. You`re a social conservative just like CrakrJak. You two should get a room.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:43 am
    @Link_Hiei
    Consider becoming an anarcho-capitalist.
    Image
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:50 am
    I`m sure that that kid has better things to do than be dragged to some sort of rally to support something that he doesnt really care about yet.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:51 am
    Gays deserve the right to be as miserable as the rest of us!
  55. Profile photo of disoriented1
    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:52 am
    Here`s the reality folks.

    Alot of "conservative" hate speakers have this fear that gay marriage might lead to gays running around having butt-secks in public and raping underage boys in the streets.

    NO.

    Many gay couple who want to get married are like "straight" couples. They want to raise a family. Get themselves a nice house with a white picket fence. Send their kids to good schools, excel in their careers, things like that. We don`t spend 24/7 promoting the gay life. We won`t "convert" you. (Notice is mostly straight people trying to convert gays "back" to the hetero-world?) And we are CERTAINLY not all pedophiles, we don`t assume all straight people are pedophiles (there are straight pedophiles, usually men who rape their daughters, statistically speaking).

    My plans for my life? Marry the man I love, adopt (most likely a girl, cuz their easier to raise, statistically speaking), buy a house, a dog, a new tru
  56. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:54 am
    @madest
    No, I am not against gay marriage. I simply stated that as a libertarian I prefer right wingers over left wingers. I am not saying that I am a right winger.

    Furthermore, not all libertarians are minarchists/constitutionalists. See my comment at "January 07, 2011 8:43:58 AM"

    I think you might remember me as AnarchistGod.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
    2525 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:54 am
    And a panda farm, disoriented1. Don`t forget the panda farm.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:56 am
    zombunny: I can`t stand parents who force these things on their kids. Your child is a person, not a billboard for your cause.

    zombunny gets it.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:57 am
    @zombunny

    I ran out of characters :D
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    austin1 Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:59 am
    Some Conservatives Suck, But all Liberals do.
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    Digital_Babu Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:00 am
    More like people in countries where civil rights aren`t equally distributed suck.

    In a secular society, civil union should be a matter of state. And if you want to marry go to your local church/temple.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:00 am
    Pssst, you guys are arguing with a God-bots. They wont listen unless you wrote it in the Bible 2,000 years ago.

    The sign does more damage than good. Saying boys can marry boys is saying not only that gays should be able to marry, but that they should be able to marry before the age of consent. That feeds the conservative arguments that after gay marriage you`ll have people marrying children, animals and bookshelves.

    As for the parents of this kid, too bad they are forcing their political views upon him before he has his own mind.
  63. Profile photo of disoriented1
    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:02 am
    Sorry, got cut off.

    ...truck, the American dream. Isn`t that all that we really want? To be happy people with a good life and the opportunity to raise a family?

    Isn`t making laws to prevent us from marrying, well, big government? What happend to "small government"? In the most direct sense of the term, the government would be dictating who I love and marry?

    Finally, when someone says I can`t marry the one I love, they invalidate our love for each other. How.Dare.You. Marriage-Nazi.
  64. Profile photo of Digital_Babu
    Digital_Babu Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:05 am
    When are you actually forcing something on your child? I mean you`re their parents for crying out loud. My parents were politically active so as a kid I sat in my pram during rallies.

    It is force if you leave no option open for your child to doubt your standards. On the other hand, it`s hardly doable to raise your child without any force or bias.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 9:08 am
    @NottaSpy

    I`m actually a G_D person. I`m a Gay-Republican-Catholic. The difference is, I`m not in denial, nor am I a hypocrite hiding in an airport bathroom (Larry Craig).

    Also, as a general note, there really aren`t "liberals" when you think hard about it. It`s "conservatives" and everyone they don`t agree with, you know, coloreds, gays, women, foreigners, non-pseudo-christians (conservatives aren`t true Christians, being that they tried to remove "liberal bias from the teachings of Christ"), people for progress, education, and logic.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:10 am
    #3 is real child abusehttp://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=55740
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:10 am
    While you Americans are still debating whether or not gay marriage should be legal, we`re discussing if the whole marriage concept is necessary at all.

    Good luck with that one in the future. I`ll make sure to bring my popcorn.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 9:12 am
    @austin1
    Some Conservatives Suck, But all Liberals do.
    That’s not fair. Almightybob1 and davymid are liberals and they don’t suck. They’re very open minded people.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:16 am
    Kozy, I`d ask Primetimekin about Davy. Ha. Speaking of Prime, has anyone seen him lately? Sorry, off topic.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:17 am
    @disoriented1

    "Many gay couple who want to get married are like "straight" couples. They want to raise a family. Get themselves a nice house with a white picket fence. Send their kids to good schools, excel in their careers, things like that."

    That`s EXACTLY what I want to do, and am working towards.

    Most aren`t doing it to bring the "gay scene" to marriage. Most are doing it to leave, or retire from, the "gay scene" and settle down...

    ...just like almost EVERY person who grows up from their wild youth of parties and no responsibility, finds a loved one, and settles down.

    Just because gay people have a reputation for having more lively parties, doesn`t mean many of them aren`t wanting to follow the same sort of track as everyone else.

    Myself, I`m a flesh and blood example of this.
  71. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:19 am
    @austin1

    "Some Conservatives Suck, But all Liberals do."

    You`re just jealous because nobody wants to suck Conservatives. :P
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:23 am
    @ disoriented1
    Im a little confused about your assertions that you are gay, catholic, and republican. My question is this, why would you choose to be part of a group that publicly thinks your sexual orientation is wrong? I am not really sure who is more homophobic, the catholic church, or the republican party, as the church discriminates, and the republicans actively try to pass laws to inconvenience the gay community . Im not trying to bash you or any one else, just curious on a personal level of the reasons for your affiliations.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 9:27 am
    >>#3 is real child abuse

    LOL! I agree. Call child protective services, get the baby away from the Juggalo`s.
  74. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 9:29 am
    @disoriented1, I worked with a gay Republican Christian, he is a good guy, but his views confused me. He was even featured in a movie made about gay Republicans. I felt bad for him then since his own party wanted nothing to do with him. Just as I feel bad for most Republicans (the moderates and liberal ones) who are getting pushed out of their own party by a band of crazy conservatives.

    I did not make my stance clear in my previous post. I`m all for gay marriage, but not for those who are underage.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7614 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:04 am
    So, most of us agree that two people who love each other can get legally married. Some churches would also be free to refuse to marry a couple if that went against their beliefs. I assume we all understand that a catholic church would not wish to marry a fiercely protestant couple, and may also not wish to marry a same sex couple. However a JP would marry any couple who were in a position to legally marry. Motion seems to be carried?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:12 am
    @madduck

    What you describe there is EXACTLY what same-sex marriage supporters are asking for.
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    danthew Male 18-29
    2122 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:23 am
    Lol, you don`t need to tell British people that Conservatives and Liberals suck...
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:25 am
    @danthew

    "Lol, you don`t need to tell British people that Conservatives and Liberals suck..."

    Hehe! Do you think they even know we`re now ruled by a Conservative-Liberal alliance?
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    gingerlad95 Male 13-17
    67 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:29 am
    the only reason im for gay marriage is so that way i dont have to hear it on the news anymore. let them have their way so that way more important information can be reported. I mean it just gets annoying to turn on the news only to hear the stories on westboro baptist or the ninth circuit. let them have their way so we can move on in society.
  80. Profile photo of Kodyo
    Kodyo Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:36 am
    Hey! This is what every religion does on a daily basis. Nothing to see here, move along
  81. Profile photo of disoriented1
    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:39 am
    @chimmeychang

    Thanks for the question. Actually, I`m for the ORIGINAL Republican party which started wwaaaaay back when, when they were established to bring down slavery. As for Catholicism, most people actually don`t know this, including MANY Catholics, but the official, documented (onpaper!) stance of the Catholic church is:

    Persons of LGBT background are so at birth and not through fault of personal decision.

    The church took this position back in 1966. Now, they still don`t do marriages for the gay community, but, in the whole technical sense, the Church accepts you for being gay due to, and this may shock some people, scientific evidence that homosexuality is inherent. I read this in a book I got as a present, The Cathecism of the Catholic Church, revised after the second Holy See in 1966. I was surprised too. Also, my family is Catholic, and, I do, honestly and truly believe in Jesus Christ, and being that St Peter established the church after Christ, it
  82. Profile photo of disoriented1
    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:42 am
    (continued) seemed logical.
    If in the future I marry and adopt, I will raise my kid(s) Catholic. It`s my personal belief and I`m satisfied with it. I believe that G_D cares enough about me to let me marry someone I love.

    That`s the problem with many other religious people I see. They focus too much on the rules and not the heart of their faith. It`s a sad thing to see.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:49 am
    @Kodyo, stay on topic please
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Yes Musuko- and I cannot for the life of me see why people get their knickers in such a twist. If you, as a church, do not think it is right, then you do not have to marry anyone- but two consenting, loving adults have a right to make a legal commitment to each other.
  85. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Obviously `boys` age 12 and under can get married to other boys, and adult males too! THAT is the real drive behind `gay marriage` to legalize man-boy love. Remember folks: 8 is too late!

    Step 1: `normalize` homosexuality (not a bad thing actually)
    Step 2: `normalize` children`s sexuality (a VERY bad thing! Supported by the UN already)
    Step 3: Man-Boy Love is Legalized!
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
    76 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 10:55 am
    @5Cats

    That`s yet again another illogical fear driven - eeewwww gayss - set of thinking.
    We`re talking about CONSENTING ADULTS getting married.
  87. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:59 am
    madest: Sure it can. You`re not using logic for your argument. The constitution guarantees equality for all. If heterosexuals can marry than gays can marry. That slippery slope argument fails because polygamy is a crime, incest is a crime and bestiality is a crime.

    Sodomy was a crime as well, still is in some states. It didn`t stop gay marriage from creeping in did it ?

    Btw, I had to correct your spelling of bestiality.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:59 am
    5Cats, you are an idiot.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:59 am
    5cats - I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic. If you honestly believe that then I am actually quite worried.
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:06 am
    @CrakrJak

    Yeah. Just how like blacks being called humans used to be taboo. Down the street from Palm Beach near where I currently live, blacks couldn`t walk down the street there. Didn`t stop black-to-white marriage from creeping in.

    BTW, I had to correct your logic.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:14 am
    I love reading 5Cats arguments. He is the greatest source of entertainment on i-a-b.
    In one second I feel anger, fear, and sorrow which all combine for an intense adrenaline rush.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:19 am
    In the words of Louis C.K.

    Umad, bro?

    TL;DR- "I never understood anger towards gay people, because a person being gay doesn`t affect your life. So it`s weird to me that people are just in their homes, going `Oh, people are gay. Dammit.` "
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    mamba Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:19 am
    I`m not sure but i think 5cays was saying it should be men van marry men, not boys can marry boys...
    just saijin
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:31 am
    wrong
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    disoriented1 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:38 am
    @DrProfessor

    -Like.
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    margot138 Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:53 am
    Maybe he wants to marry his friend?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Sodomy was a crime as well, still is in some states. It didn`t stop gay marriage from creeping in did it?
    -------
    Sodomy was illegal until it was overturned by the Supreme Court in Lawrence v Texas. Which means Sodomy is now legal all over America (yes in all 50 states). I don`t know how to spell the word for having sex with animals (you do ironically) yet I know how our judicial system works which you don`t apparently.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    madest: Apparently you are well read on sodomy, but have no clue when it comes to unintended consequences. Polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia, and other disgusting acts have had the door to acceptance opened by `gay rights`.

    That`s the problem with liberals like Madest, They can`t see the consequences of their actions.

    These changes were never voted on, they were never legislated, they were decided by nine unelected people. The legislating of law should be left to the congress and the state legislatures, not the judiciary.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    I wish they were more focused into teaching the children how to write properly
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7614 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    Hold on Crakr, polygamy is not the same a bestiality or paedophilia. It is down ( as someone ellse has said) to consent. I am not sure, but I think that polygamy is a legal rather than a moral issue. Before people start getting so upset they need to think about exactly why they find things wrong. It is clear to me that the defining feature of whether something of this nature is wrong is that issue of informed consent.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    The unintended consequences of equality seems to be angry republicans. Other than that there`s never been an unintended consequence of any consequence.
    Obviously you can`t separate legal activities from illegal activities so arguing with you over this is of no consequence. Times are changing, you`re gonna live in my world whether you like it or not.
    These are not changes. Their the reflection of living up to what our founding fathers envisioned. Afterall, they wrote the document your party read aloud yesterday.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    God I really, really, really loathe politics.
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    Theyoyoguy Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    Y`s do not look like field goal posts. Somebody needs to spank this kid and hire a damn tutor.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    @Crackr normally I would be the first to point out the flaws in Madest`s logic (there are usually quite a few), but do you seriously believe that accepting people`s right to be homosexual will lead to "polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia, and other disgusting acts"?

    Bull poo. You can`t have sex with animals or children because neither can consent. That has nothing to do with whether or not two CONSENTING ADULT men or women do the deed. Polygamy? We`re not talking about 5 gay people or 10 gay people, we`re talking about two gay people who want the rights that are granted to every other American citizen. They pay taxes they should have rights!

    Look at some of the middle eastern countries with their extremely conservative laws, did their laws stop all `disgusting acts` from happening? Of course not. In fact I bet that they`re worse because not only will criminals still comit obscene crimes but they will feel empowered to commit more crimes against the legally d
  105. Profile photo of thesandwich
    thesandwich Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    CakrJak:
    One of the duties of the judicial branch is to determine whether or not laws are constitutional. What the nine did was nothing out of the scope of their power.

    Now whether or not you agree with the ruling is a different matter, but striking down a law that they found unconstitutional is not out of their power. That`s what the checks and balance of the three branches depends on when one screws up.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    (continued)... disadvantaged minority. Think,
    "I sure hate gays, but I love raping men" type scenario.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    January 7, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    maan, i feel sorry for that kid. Good luck with all the bullying you`ll get for the next 10 or so years.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    true... extremists are annoying no matter where they are coming from. life needs balance.
  109. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    NotTHATbored: You can`t seriously use the middle-east as an example, and I`ll tell you why.

    The Ayatollah Komeni of Iran wrote a book on the rules of having sex with children and animals. This along with the fact that Mohammed himself married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9, is not a good example to go by.

    Madest: Yeah sure, there has never been an unintended consequence of a bad supreme court decision. </sarcasm>

    Might I refer you to: Dred Scott v. Sandford; Korematsu v. United States; Plessy v. Ferguson; Buck v. Bell and others. All of those decisions were pushed through by democrats, I might add.

    The way liberals get their way is via the court system via liberal judges. They can`t pass their agendas through by popular vote, and very rarely ever get them through the congress.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    Name one instance CrakrJak where the majority got to vote on the rights of a minority. You talk up the constitution all the time, point to me the article that allows such nonsense. While your at it point to the part where your sensibilities are constitutionally protected.

    You`re well aware that the time between the civil war and the election of Nixon Republicans became democrats and vice-versa. You know better than to historically claim Lincoln as republican in philosophy.
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm
    I think the big problem with gay marriage is the impact on religious organizations. Let`s say the Catholic church is hiring a person for office duties. As an employer, the Church may decide to offer the employee insurance. If the person is gay and married, the Church would then be confronted with a quandary: let this person go based upon his/her sexual preference, or continue to employ them and thereby recognize same sex unions. Since the Church is against same sex marriage, in keeping with their doctrine, they would have to fire the person. This could then lead to a discrimination lawsuit where the First Amendment (no law respecting establishment of religion) is challenged. I think that is the one of the more problematic legal ramifications of gay marriage. Otherwise, I really don`t care whether a gay person marries.
  113. Profile photo of green_batman
    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    @CrakrJak: It has already been pointed out to you that your slippery slope argument is ridiculous. Gay marriage would still fall within the general moral guidelines our society has regarding sex: it must be consensual. The examples you bring up, save for polygamy (which I don`t think is a problem, either), involve non-consensual sex. Because it is ridiculous to argue that gay marriage leads to the rape of children and animals, I can only assume that you prescribe to the notion that marriage is purely a religious ceremony, probably in your eyes, an Abrahamic ceremony. This is not the case. Marriage in some form or another exists in every culture, whether the culture is Christian or some other religion, and even when the culture isn`t particularly religious.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    Further, why must the act of declaring yourself to be joined to another person be a religious thing? Atheists can fall in love, too. They make grand gestures of love just like Christians do. And do you really consider marriage to be centered around your religion? Assuming you have married, did you think more of God on your wedding day or your wife on your wedding day?

    So why must marriage be considered a religious thing? And, if it can`t be argued that it is purely religious, what right do people have to restrict gay marriage on religious grounds?
  115. Profile photo of mvangild
    mvangild Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    @Madest: you could start with the 14th and 15th Amendments, then you could look at the civil rights legislation that was passed back in the 50s-70s. Of course, that`s in cases where the majority was granting equal rights to minorities. If you`re looking for the reverse, you could google Jim Crow laws.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    Catholic views evolve. Just yesterday the Pope said God was responsible for the Big-Bang. That`s significant because it`s in direct conflict with what the Bible says. If they can modify their views on that they can certainly modify their views on homosexuality.
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    Levyn Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    Talking sense on iab is like trying to understand the mind of a conservative. <.< It just doesn`t work.
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    hamisgood Male 13-17
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    January 7, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    Speaking against liberals? On IAB? Blasphemy!
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    that poor kid, all he wants to do is be home playing video games a chugging coc...i mean, playing video games
  120. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    mvangild: Thank you for pointing those out, Madest has a very myopic view of history. He also is under the delusion that Lincoln wasn`t a republican, When in fact he was the first republican.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:11 pm


    So many people were taking stabs at CrakrJak I`d thought I`d hop on the bandwagon. I just want to be cool.

    Also, just so everyone knows, I am all for gun ownership and gay marriage.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:43 pm
    @CrakrJak

    Now you`re just trolling.

    Honestly, I thought you were better than this.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    @CrakrJak.

    PS: You also seemed to have ignored my request to tell us all about your own marital status and personal life.

    You`re all about telling everyone else who they can and cannot love; so why don`t you tell us who you love? Fair`s fair, right?

    Come on, CrakrJak, tell us who you love.
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    turbopuppy Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    you suck IAB
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    CrakrJak is the smartest poster on IAB and FatNinja is the funniest
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm
    lmao, I hate politics.
  127. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    We`re talking about CONSENTING ADULTS getting married.
    Sorry, @disoriented1 and @madduck, but the reality is there exists a large group of persons who wish to have man-boy love both legal and open. The UN already says (in it`s "Rights of the Child" manefesto) that interfering with a child`s `sexual choices` shouldn`t be allowed.
    vv @premierwondr - um, thanks? lolz!
    vv @mamba - Hooray! Someone gets it! (go look up his posting, lazy peoples!)
  128. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33131 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    "What the nine did was nothing out of the scope of their power."
    Well @thesandwich - what`s to stop them from stiking down anti-polygamay laws? Lowering the Age of Concent (AoC) to 14? Like it was recently in Canada? Or to 12? or lower?
    Answer: nothing can stop them, eh?

    @NotTHATbored & others: educate yourself with reality: Folsom Street Fair, NSFW!

    @Cracr - love the `liberal brain`, lolz!
  129. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm
    It has already been pointed out to you that your slippery slope argument is ridiculous.
    Oh fer sure @greenbatman! No such thing, eh?
    Take "abortion rights" here in Canada. First it was 1)`medical life saving` only, then 2)lifestyle saving - but only in first trimester, then 3)later term abortions and finally 4) NO LAW WHATSOEVER against any abortion.

    Nope! No `slippery slopes` here@!
    Yes it went from banned to free for all (literally!) in one generation.
  130. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    @5Cats

    Same question to you, 5Cats: who do you love?
  131. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    @5Cats.

    Regards the street fair; are you saying that the activities of those gay men should be the basis for deciding what I, also a gay man, should or should not be allowed to do?

    In that case, I hereby ban you from EVER having sex with ANYONE. Because you are (presumably) a heterosexual man, and there are many, many heterosexual men in the world who are rapists.

    So, despite knowing nothing about you except for your gender and (presumed) heterosexuality, I am going to decide your rights and generally suggest you might be a rapist, based on the actions of other people whose only link of commonality with you is their sexuality.

    For pity`s sake, those men in those pictures are as similar to me as you are to Osama Bin Laden. Same gender, same sexuality...but that`s it.
  132. Profile photo of sylphies
    sylphies Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    5Cats please please PLEASE do not bring up abortion unless you yourself have given birth. It is very painful, babies are expensive, and there are enough children without parents as is.

    Sure babies that have a chance of survival outside of the womb should not be aborted, at that point, just pop the kid and give it up for adoption.

    Furthermore, and this is just a dumb american speaking here, but when they lowered the age of consent in Canada, they probably weren`t doing it for all the creepy 40 year olds to have sex with little boys, it was probably for dumb little girls to have sex with dumb little boys, etc, without getting the statuatory rape consequense.

    And about Folsom Street Fair: Things this lewd and public are planned out months or even years in advance, and it`s advertised a lot so that anyone who doesn`t want to see it can steer clear of it. And to top it off, some people that go to those things aren`t even gay, either. Gays are gonna marry, it`s in
  133. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    I`m not commenting on the abortion issue @sylphies, I`m showing a very clear "slippery slope" to refute @greenbatman`s claim that such things `never happen`. They do! Often! I totally agree that `adoption` should be option #1, but pro-abortionists have absolutely refused to even allow the mention of the "a-word" eh?

    @musuko42: het-men rape, het-women rape, homosexuals (all 7 kinds!) rape, animals rape; what`s your point?
    MY point (and @Crackr`s too I suspect, but I don`t mean to speak for him) is that the Government should stay OUT of marriage entirely! It`s currently 1 male + 1 female (adults only!) lets keep it that way, ok? Because once group B gets in, groups C - R will stampede the door also demanding their `rights` too!
  134. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:28 pm
    all the creepy 40 year olds to have sex with little boys
    Nope, our famous Gay politician, Sven Robinson, with the NDP party (lefty unionist party) wanted to lower the AoC to 12!!! Why? He didn`t say. The NDP allowed him to remain in the party so they, as a political party, must agree with that.
    It would mean that I, as a creepy 45+ male, could show up on your son/daughter`s 12TH birthday and have sex with him/her. Legally! AND if you as a parent tried to stop it, YOU would face arrest! I`m not kidding!

    As it was, 14 was perfectly legal (unless you were in a position of athority) BUT no pictures! No booze! No exchange of money.
    Strangely, giving him/her pot for sex WAS legal...

    Thankfully the Conservative Party raised the AoC to 16. Not before the Liberal Party Senate blocked this for 9 months. Why? They didn`t say...
  135. Profile photo of pocketmoron
    pocketmoron Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Parents brainwash their children. It`s been happening since the dawn of sentience. This isn`t really a new occurrence...
  136. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    5cats claims:
    "Nope, our famous Gay politician, Sven Robinson, with the NDP party (lefty unionist party) wanted to lower the AoC to 12!!! Why? He didn`t say. "

    wikipedia, http://tinyurl.com/2ahw5bz , makes no mention of such a thing.

    5cats is fibbing to support its prejudice.

    "homosexuals (all 7 kinds!) " Nice fantasy. However, the majority of all rape is committed by heterosexual men.

    The assertion that the government should stay out of marriage would mean that the Government could not limit marriage to one male and one female.

    "Because once group B gets in," If we allow a man to marry one woman, he`ll want two, or three, or hundred, because bigamy is an ancient and traditional form of heterosexual marriage, and child brides are traditional, after all, 97% of all pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual.
  137. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 11:39 pm
    "but the reality is there exists a large group of persons who wish to have man-boy love both legal and open" Nice myth, but "large" is relative, and really is it fair to bring the Catholic Church into this?

    Crakrjck is simply a lying bigot. Polygamy is a traditional form of heterosexual marriage, the majority of all pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual - and stunning, a disproportionate percentage of people who accuse gay men of being pedophiles, get caught sexually assaulting someone. Anyone who equates same-sex marriage with bestiality is unfit to participate in public, and should be barred from pet stores, zoos, farms and other places where animals are kept.
  138. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    January 7, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    crakrjak writes:
    "That`s the problem with liberals like Madest, They can`t see the consequences of their actions. "

    Having equated same-sex marriage and homosexuality with polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia. But, his hate speech about homosexuals absolutely causes hate crimes against GLBTQ people, and hets perceived as gay, and drives GLBTQ youth to suicide.

    The consequences of the hate CrakrJak spews up are death and violence, have been well-documented, and yet, he ignores those consequences to put more people`s lives at risk to appease his fragile sense of masculinity, and sociopathic hunger for superiority at the expense of others.

    why not just clean house and ban this hate mongerer before incites a crime or causes a suicide? There are too many teens here to risk their well-being for his ego.
  139. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 12:05 am
    One last point.

    Conservatives in the U.S. believe that control and authority is only possible when it is from an external and superior source - religion, legal authority, the government, and that people cannot control their own behavior at all. Conservatives work to control what everyone does, for example sexually, because they feel that they cannot control their own impulses (as if often the case) and so try to create a society that will enforce on them the control they lack.

    It is not a coincidence that the people who most constantly argue for limiting civil rights, and create restrictive laws about sex, are the ones most commonly caught in adultery, sexual predation, graft and corruption, or on the down-low. A stunning percentage of anti-gay leaders have been caught seeking or having gay sex on the side, or cheating on their wives, or abusing kids.

    If conservatives could control their own desires, they wouldn`t be so obsessed with what anyone else is doi
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33131 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 12:44 am
    @Heureux: wikipedia, http://tinyurl.com/2ahw5bz , makes no mention of such a thing.
    5cats is fibbing to support its prejudice.
    You are so full of poop it`s SAD!
    OF COURSE WIKI doesn`t "mention this" because it`s WIKI!
    DUH!
    Look up the facts for yourself you lazy bugger!
    The rest of your posts are trez stupid, sorry, not worthy of comment...
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    Selous Male 30-39
    1197 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 1:36 am
    @Heureux QFT, you paint a brush as wide as half the western world, if you know so much perhaps you should try to run it rather than post your junk on some half arsed entertainment website (no offence fellow IABers, but im here cause im wasting time and not here to change the world)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 3:31 am
    @5Cats

    "what`s your point?"

    I thought the point I made was very clear; why do you want to punish me, personally, by restricting my rights, because of what people who I`ve never met and have nothing to do with me are doing?

    "Government should stay OUT of marriage entirely!"

    Hospital visitation rights. Legal affairs. Inheritence. Taxation. Etc.

    Government is in marriage because marriage has implications for all these other things that Government is into.

    "Because once group B gets in, groups C - R will stampede the door also demanding their `rights` too!"

    What about group A (the heterosexuals)? Why are they allowed in? Surely they shouldn`t be allowed in, because then B and C and the rest will want in?

    If you want to deny ME my rights because others might want them too, then how about YOU give up YOURS for the same reason?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 3:36 am
    @CrakrJak
    @5Cats

    Neither of you have yet answered my question: "Who do you love?"

    Can I assume, then, that neither of you have a love in your life at all?

    Did all us mean gayers take away all your wimmin folk, did we? :( :( :(

    Or maybe I`m thinking the wrong end of the scale. We`ve got a couple of guys in their 40s, both ranting about the sanctity of marriage...methinks we have a couple of bitter middle-aged divorcees on our hands! Why, yessireebob, I do.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7614 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 3:51 am
    good Lord- I go to bed, . %cats- informed consent is something ethicists have to define afresh daily. They do it for all sorts of people when decisions have to be made regardind things like health care. Sexual activity betwen an adult and a child is dangerous for the child, not just mentally ( which could be argued) but physically. No ethicist would say that a grown man having intercourse with a child was in the childs interest. However- children grow into adult, sexual beings over time, not overnight. THAT is the process that should be respected- and some of those children will be gay.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 5:19 am
    5Cats loves his cats. He`s the founding member of the man cat love association.

    CrakrJak is in love with his government sponsored healthcare that he wants to revoke to the rest of the nation because FoxNews says so.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 6:51 am
    There`s really no point not letting gay people getting married. It`s not like they`re forcing people to be gay.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2011 at 7:08 am
    madest: Well what a surprise, you`re trying to change the subject again.
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    Wizensilver Male 13-17
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    January 8, 2011 at 7:36 am
    Forcing their agenda?
    Forcing equality?
    Sorry, but what the hell. No. Children need to know that everyone should be treated the same. It`s not `forcing` anything on them if the message is equality.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    January 8, 2011 at 7:38 am
    Crakrjak You`re are a hilarious fellow who provides much amusement.

    But lets all Dance
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    METALLICAROX Male 18-29
    324 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 7:50 am
    Someone needs to go to a gay pride parade and start throwing Skittles and then yell "Taste The Rainbow!" I did that once and got a mixture of hilarious and pretty damned enraged reactions, but it was still fun as hell.
  151. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 8:33 am
    @CrakrJak

    "madest: Well what a surprise, you`re trying to change the subject again."

    No worse than you repeatedly ignoring questions posed to you because you`re too embarrassed to provide the answer.

    Who do you love, CrakrJak?
  152. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2011 at 9:03 am
    Musuko42: Your question about `Who do I love` is irrelevant to the conversation and I won`t indulge your fishing expedition into my personal life.
  153. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 9:14 am
    @Crackr I`m not studied up on my middle eastern philosophy or religious texts so I guess I`ll take your word for it, although since its you giving me these facts I am a bit reluctant to do so...

    My point was however that they are a very sexually conservative society today what with the legislation against hand holding, mandatory body coverings, homosexuals should be killed attitude, which certainly has not stoped `disgusting acts` from happening.

    If you want a better example then look at the US. We had laws against homosexuality and laws against child molestation, but that sure didn`t stop priests in the Catholic Church did it? Of course not, because those people were sick and twisted people who were going to do what they did not matter what. People are either molestors or not. It has nothing to do with whether gay marriage between consenting adults is legalized.

    I also think it`s rather offensive that you make this association between homosexuals and chil
  154. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 9:17 am
    @CrakrJak

    "Musuko42: Your question about `Who do I love` is irrelevant to the conversation and I won`t indulge your fishing expedition into my personal life."

    If you don`t like me meddling in your personal life, why do you insist in meddling in everyone else`s?

    Either you let us inspect your personal life to make sure it`s respecting the sanctity of marriage, or you shut the hell up about other people`s personal lives and their marriages.
  155. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 9:18 am
    (continued..) child molestors. I took a course called abnormal psychology where we had to read a very uncomfortable chapter about them. The very large majority of phedophiles ONLY have sex with children NOT any adults. The exception to this is NOT with homosexuals but with incesteous molestors (think mormons). So lay off the queers!
  156. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 9:19 am
    If they want to marry any adult man then statistics say they are not after your kids!
  157. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Musuko42: I figured that was the direction you where heading toward. The old `If you aren`t perfect, then shut up` defense. By that standard there is no wrong or right and you can excuse any behavior you want.

    What you are arguing is called moral relativism: The position that, as there is no universal moral standard by which to judge others, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when it runs counter to our personal or cultural moral standards.

    It`s typical liberal bullsh|t, like this, that is screwing up the world and destroying our culture.
  158. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2011 at 10:07 am
    NotTHATbored: That doesn`t mean we make it easier for those `sick and twisted people` to get away with their crimes. When you change where you draw the line, then others start screaming about why the line doesn`t cover them as well.

    We`ve incrementally allowed gays more and more `rights` in this country until now their behavior is not only tolerated, but they demand that their behavior be considered `morally normal` as well.

    What makes you believe this same process, over time, won`t happen with other groups like pedophiles, polygamists, and bestialitors ?
  159. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 10:23 am
    Because those things are REALLY abnormal. Homosexuals by contrast are NOT REALLY abnormal and 99.9% of them would be against all of the things that you just mentioned too.

    Also there is nothing actually morally wrong with homosexuality unless you look at it from a religious perspective by contrast there are MANY ethical/moral dilemas associated with the other all of the other things that you have mentioned!

    No one gets hurt when two men or women marry each other! On the contrast it will make it easier to know who is more normal and partnered with people people (not animals) their own age!
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    paddyboom Male 13-17
    203 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    we`re gonna run out of homophobes by 2050 at this point :(
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    Cracrjak may have a point homosexuality was deemed natural in ancient times. Look at the greeks they also thought sex with young boys was alright. Now we have gays with all their rights your getting people campaigning for Pedophilic relationships. If only we would have stopped those immoral fags and read the bible ey.

    Whats right and wrong moral and not changes over time and with respect to the society you are in. It can go either way. 100 years down the line who knows polygamous orgies could be the standard. Or artificial insemination as the process of coitus could be seen as immoral. Todays moral code is that homosexuality is A OK its the majority opinion live with it, heck aint you conservatives always barking on that your the land of freedom from persecution.
  162. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    NotTHATbored: That same argument `it doesn`t hurt anybody` has been used to justify prostitution and drug use as well. It`s a falsehood repeated by those with a liberal myopic view.
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
    185 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    CrakrJak just can`t stop smokin` the rock pipe, I see. For those who may yet be unclear on the concept, pedophilia, polygamy and bestiality are morally wrong because the relationships are predatory in nature, with one partner (or set of partners) being unable to give consent without duress. That is morally wrong, as is using populist bigotry to force yourself on others, as CrakrJak believes he has the right to do.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    I`m not really going to get involved here, because there`s nothing to argue except that 5BrainCells and Crakr are bigots (but I think everyone already knew that).

    The UN already says (in it`s "Rights of the Child" manefesto) that interfering with a child`s `sexual choices` shouldn`t be allowed.
    However, I would like some proof of this. Having read the document, I see nothing about a child`s "sexual choices." The closest I see is that the child shall be protected from abuse or exploitation, including sexual.
  165. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    "Musuko42: I figured that was the direction you where heading toward. The old `If you aren`t perfect, then shut up` defense. By that standard there is no wrong or right and you can excuse any behavior you want."

    No, it`s called "practice what you preach".

    Do you have nobody to love, CrakrJak?
  166. Profile photo of tstyblucryns
    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    CrakrJak: The more I read your posts comparing gays to pedophiles, the more I realize you seem to be more into trolling than actually making a point. Even still I feel the need to comment--gays don`t "demand that their behavior be considered `morally normal`"...I think most people accept that some leopards will never change their shorts. I think the only "demand" is to be treated with respect. God gave humans the choice to sin and also gave them repercussions for doing them, if it is in fact a sin to be in a gay relationship then why don`t you let God decide what to do with those people in the afterlife? And don`t give me the `you can say the same about pedophiles and prostitutes` bit because that is a laughable argument at best. Prostitution has multiple victims if not the prostitutes themselves (when forced at a young age), or the partners of the cheaters, or the future partners who get STDs. The list could go on about prostitutes. I hope you understand who gets
  167. Profile photo of tstyblucryns
    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    *who gets hurt in pedophilia*
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    @tstyblucryns
    No one ever gets hurt by pedophilia. I challenge anyone (left or right) to watch this video in its entirety.
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    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
    496 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    @Kozy

    I`m assuming that you are posting that for a reductio ad absurdum argument. The difference here being that a child is too young to make adult decisions. This is agreed on both sides so the point is moot.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    @tstyblucryns
    Why are you bringing up "adult" decisions? I was talking about pedophilia.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    @tstyblucryns
    Prostitution has multiple victims if not the prostitutes themselves (when forced at a young age), or the partners of the cheaters, or the future partners who get STDs. The list could go on about prostitutes.
    Prostitution has no victims. It is simply a voluntary business transaction. If you’re going to claim that X might lead to Y then why not ban alcohol? After all, alcohol might lead to drunk driving and prostitution might lead to STDs.
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    Wtfidklol Male 13-17
    193 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    YEAH, STUPID LIBERALS, TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN TO BE TOLERANT OF OTHER PEOPLE`S DIFFERENCES.
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    Sonsglow Male 18-29
    201 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    It`s not an agenda, dumbdrat. It`s the same as teaching your kids that two heterosexual people who are in love can get married. You have to go the extra step and tell them it`s okay for two homosexual people to get married too, because so much of society is going to be yelling about fire and brimstone telling them the opposite.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 8:53 pm
    @CrakrJak
    we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when it runs counter to our personal or cultural moral standards.
    Well, we could have a "cultural moral standard" against Christianity. But does the fact that we have such a standard give us the right to ban Christianity like the Soviets did? No it does not.

    Just because many people in the US have a "cultural moral standard" against gay marriage does not mean it should be banned for the same reason if many people had "cultural moral standard" against Christianity, it should also not be banned.

    Here is my rule of thumb. If whatever is at question is victimless, then don`t ban it. This includes prostitution, pedophilia, gay marriage, and Christianity.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    @Wtfidklol
    YEAH, STUPID LIBERALS, TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN TO BE TOLERANT OF OTHER PEOPLE`S DIFFERENCES.
    I KNOW RIGHT! THOSE F*CKING LIBERALS DON`T UNDERSTAND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS! IF WE LET THE BLACKS MARRY WHITES THEN THE THERE WILL BE MEN MARRYING OTHER MEN! THEN THERE WILL BE PEOPLE MARRYING ANIMALS! WE CAN`T LET THAT HAPPEN!
  176. Profile photo of CallofKtulu
    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    @Kozy

    Of course, and then they say "Oh, but I *am* being victimized! They`re destroying/corrupting an institution that I love/something I`m currently comfortable with(I actually just think gay dudes are weird and I don`t want to have to deal with that poo on a daily basis)."

    Of course that`s a vast exaggeration for the most part, but probable for the worst case. It`ll basically come to the point where they won`t tolerate your intolerance of their intolerance. I figure we`ll look back on this kind of stuff in half a century and laugh at how silly all the bickering was.
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    Viralshade Male 18-29
    45 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    @Kozy

    Did you seriously just endorse pedophilia? Are you personally banned from coming within 500 feet of an elementary school? If not, you should be.
  178. Profile photo of CallofKtulu
    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
    245 posts
    January 8, 2011 at 11:54 pm
    @CrakrJack

    You say that with Gay rights will come rights for pedophilia, polygamy and bestiality, which I think is fairly valid. We`ll eventually see it as more acceptable, assuming we continue down a more liberal path, but NotTHATbored should have worded her response differently than just "Because those things are REALLY abnormal." I`d point to centuries ago when "sodomy" (homosexuality) was punishable with horrific things, but it was generally accepted that a good portion of the male population (See: Renaissance Florence) had numerous gay experiences, often a consistent lover. Now this is going off of what I remember from high school history/art class and some light googling, but I don`t feel the numbers matter so much as the point; homosexuality is very prevalent in human history. The fact that the middle-eastern religions even have to mention it kind of says something. Do they say much about any of the three that you mentioned? I`m not well-read in
  179. Profile photo of CallofKtulu
    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
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    January 9, 2011 at 12:04 am
    (Continued...)
    such fields, but it really wouldn`t matter if they were, because I severely doubt they`re mentioned nearly as much as homosexuality. I mean it`s not like the public opinion is what`s stopping them from doing it, considering how prevalent homosexuality was before, I feel like it`s a general dissatisfaction with the practice.

    Honestly, thinking about it, if the religions really hated it that much, why didn`t they just allow it but look down upon it? I mean it`s not exactly the most procreating practice. Forcing those with suppressed homosexual urges to procreate may have only spread it. Now, with science in the condition it is, it`s far too late for that kind of thing. Bad play on the part of the church.
  180. Profile photo of CallofKtulu
    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
    245 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 12:16 am
    @Kozy

    Pedophilia never hurt anyone? Even the guy in the video says pedophilia can hurt if you do anal to the child, which is one of the few options for boys. If you do something that hurts, the child will not want it done, which would eventually make it rape. Yes, rape obviously exists in non-pedophilic relationships, but I think one of the problems with pedophilia is that rape is a greater factor. It`s MUCH easier to rape a child than an adult, which brings the "adult decisions" thing into perspective. It`s often said that adults are mentally prepared for making sexual decisions, but I think part of it is that they`re greater prepared to enforce those decisions. They`ve lived long enough and had enough bad experiences to know what they do and don`t want. Pedophilia can be one of those bad experiences that helps them grow, but while still a child, what can they do to prevent more of it? Threats from an uncle can trump any child`s will.
  181. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 12:16 am
    @Viralshade
    Did you seriously just endorse pedophilia?
    No, I did not endorse pedophilia, nor do I ever intend to. I also don`t endorse heterosexuality. I do however acknowledge their existence and the fact that they are both victimless which is why I do not have a problem with heterosexuality and pedophilia.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 9, 2011 at 12:34 am
    @CallofKtulu
    Even the guy in the video says pedophilia can hurt if you do anal to the child, which is one of the few options for boys.
    Pedophilia is not a sex act. It is only an attraction to children. Some people cannot help being attracted to children, for the same reason homosexuals can`t help being attracted to the same sex. It is very possible for a pedophile to live a normal life without ever trying to have a sexual relationship with a child. Saying that pedophilia can hurt someone is as absurd as saying homosexuality can hurt someone.
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    SwayzeCrazy4 Male 13-17
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    January 9, 2011 at 4:13 am
    Damn straight, little guy!
  184. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 7:49 am
    @Crackr there are many ethical/moral dilemas associated with prostitution that have NOTHING to do with religion. Now give me one reason why homosexuality is wrong or dangerous that doesn`t have to do with religion.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 7:55 am
    @Kozy you are disgusting. You are the type of weirdo I would never let around my family. You should be locked away from normal people.
  186. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 8:05 am
    Kozy your exactly the type of weirdo that people need to keep an eye on and keep their kids away from, not normal homosexuals who just want to marry another man. People like you who think looking at kids is ok.
  187. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 12:42 pm
    @NotTHATbored
    you are disgusting. You are the type of weirdo I would never let around my family. You should be locked away from normal people.
    I am disgusting because I do not think that we should fault people for what they cannot control?

    your exactly the type of weirdo that people need to keep an eye on and keep their kids away from, not normal homosexuals who just want to marry another man.
    Well first of all honey, it’s “you’re” not “your.” Second of all, you did not actually address anything I said.

  188. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    @NotTHATbored
    People like you who think looking at kids is ok.
    I never said it was ok to look at children. I only said that pedophilia does not hurt anyone. Pedophilia is not the act of looking at children. It is only an attraction to children. It is possible for a one to still be a pedophile without ever looking at children for the same reason it is possible for a heterosexual man to still be a heterosexual without looking at women.

    When responding to me, try to only use logos and try to avoid using pathos or ethos.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    @NotTHATbored

    I have to admit, I think you`re kinda cute. Your comments were filled with so much rage and so much emotion. I thought it was absolutely adorable.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    @CrakrJak
    Reply
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    FrigginMo Male 18-29
    266 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 5:48 pm
    What is being shown in this pic is done by everyone who is obsessed with politics. That sign might as well say "My mommy and daddy are MAN and WIFE." It`s all stupid, no matter the side. All of you stop sucking.
  192. Profile photo of CallofKtulu
    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
    245 posts
    January 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm
    @Kozy

    So you live in a world where desires aren`t acted upon? That`s like claiming procreation is mere accident, that man`s common attraction to women has nothing to do with why they have sex. You tend to take a very small bit of what someone has to say out of context and then just pretend you`re right. I said pedophilia is dangerous, or at least more risky than other kinds of attractions. Why would you even point to that video if he treats pedophilia like the sexual act when your argument is otherwise? I feel like you`re making your argument up as you go along. Though not quite name-calling, I would classify you as a liberal hipster troll just to make sense of what you`re saying, in that you take a position you know to be extreme, but rationalize it to a enough of an extent so that you feel more of an accepting and worldly person, when in fact you`re just kind of pulling it out of your ass. I`ll play environmentalist and say trolls need food too. Eat up. I`m raging.
  193. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2011 at 5:47 am
    @CallofKtulu

    Reply
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 10, 2011 at 2:17 pm
    @Kozy not filled with rage just using your disgusting comment to make a point. YOU are the type of person who should not be allowed around children, not homosexuals. It is wrong to be attracted to kids and it doesn`t matter if you can "help it", "act on it", or not.

    Why don`t you go troll somewhere else? If you`re the type of person who feels the need to pick fights online with your premise being that pedophilia is harmless then I doubt you have a girlfriend, boyfriend, real friends, or any meaningful life worth talking about. Go eat somemore chips and wank of to underaged girls. No one here cares.
  195. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 10, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    By the way you really don`t impress me and I highly doubt you`ve impressed anyone else here either. Just disgusted.

    You probably do that to people in real life too which is why you feel the need to come on here and harrass people when they are trying to have a decent conversation and ruin it with your stupid hypotheticals about why child attraction isn`t wrong.

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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    @NotTHATbored

    Reply

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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:45 am
    WE GET IT YOU TWO.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    January 11, 2011 at 7:46 am
    so I`m confused, is Kozy Dendrophilian???
  199. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 11, 2011 at 9:11 am
    @chimmeychang
    is Kozy Dendrophilian???
    I am not Dendrophilian.
  200. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    January 11, 2011 at 9:15 am
    @Kozy like I said I don`t care. I`m not going to click your links either. I refuse to have an actual debate with you about perverts or your life style. It`s not worth my time to debate with you when 99.9% of the population would agree with me. You`re not going to bait me either. I just don`t care. Have a happy day trolling.
  201. Profile photo of Kozy
    Kozy Male 18-29
    118 posts
    January 11, 2011 at 10:06 am
    @NotTHATbored
    like I said I don`t care. I`m not going to click your links either. I refuse to have an actual debate with you about perverts or your life style.
    I think there`s a word for people like you. I think it`s called bigot. By the way I`m not a pedophile, or at least not anymore than the average person. I think you should click on my link, but if you don`t want to then that`s okay.

    It`s not worth my time to debate with you when 99.9% of the population would agree with me.
    Well now you are using ad populum. Besides, if 99.9% of the population agrees with you, then 99.9% of the population is wrong.

    You`re not going to bait me either. I just don`t care. Have a happy day trolling.
    If you don`t want to click on the link you don`t have to. Again, I`m not trolling. It was a pleasure talking to you. :-)
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    @KOZY
    shame on you for baiting people;p
    I`m not sure how the conversation mutated from gay marriage, to the difference between pedophilia(sexual attraction to children) and child rape(actual sex with a child)
    My question to you KOZY is do you think the actual act of sex with children is acceptable?
    And my question to NotTHATBored is, do you think people should be punished for thoughts or feelings they don`t act on.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    @Kozy yes me and 99.9% of the population are bigots for hating pedos! LMFAO. You`re a real genius with your finger on the pulse of what`s important in society now, pedos rights!

    @Chimmeychang any chance that you`re Kozy on another account? You look as creepy as Kozy sounds that`s why I ask...

    Anyway I`m done with this conversation now. It`s just to rapey. Creeps me out. Makes me uncomfortable. I hope you are ostrasized from society Kozy, we have every right to do it, and I`ll do my part by ignoring you on IAB from now on.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    I`m way late on this, but on the matter of the slippery slope:

    "Oh fer sure @greenbatman! No such thing, eh?
    Take "abortion rights" here in Canada. First it was 1)`medical life saving` only, then 2)lifestyle saving - but only in first trimester, then 3)later term abortions and finally 4) NO LAW WHATSOEVER against any abortion.

    Nope! No `slippery slopes` here@!
    Yes it went from banned to free for all (literally!) in one generation."

    I don`t think this has anything to do with slippery slopes. As much as I am opposed to abortion, it is a philosophically ambiguous area. I am opposed to the needless destruction of any life, which is why I oppose abortion (except for cases where the well-being of the mother is concerned or in cases of high likelihood of extreme birth defects), but some people think that only a rational being is worthy of regard.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    (continued) A fetus, while a critical stage in the path leading to a rational being, is not in itself a rational being. Others think that it is best to maximize pleasure and minimize pain, which leads one to regard the pleasure and pain of the mother over the pleasure and pain of a fetus lacking sensation. In fact, this last argument, utilitarianism, is an extremely commonly held ethical belief system. I have encountered it very frequently both in studying philosophy and in talking about philosophy with others, including non-philosophers. So removing laws against abortion may very well have been a case of the laws changing to reflect commonly held belief.

    I have to ask as well why you think that the law need be the final arbiter of the practice of abortion. Just because partial birth abortion may now be legal, does not mean you can necessarily find a medical professional willing to perform one.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    (continued) Personally, my politics lean toward anarcho-capitalism. I don’t think we need a government of any sort. If you think that abortion is wrong, you shouldn’t need a government to tell you so. You should be able to act in accordance with your beliefs without some big brother government telling you what to do. It’s tragic that other people might perform abortions under such a political climate, but when was the last time you donned your costume and performed vigilante justice on muggers? When was the last time you traveled to Africa to free diamond mine slaves? When did you go to China to stop partial birth abortions? Usually you (I mean a general ‘you’) go about your business only really acting on things that impact you. That’s all you can realistically do. I’m drifting a little off-topic here though.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    (continued) I’ll end on this point: you are giving people very little credit the way you talk about the slippery slope. You are a rational being capable of weighing right and wrong; so is (almost) everyone else. Others will use their personal philosophical judgments to come to whatever conclusion they will come to. They won’t simply follow along like lemmings, allowing more and more permissive behavior. The vast majority of people have some point at which they will say “that’s wrong”.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    @Kozy: On the topic of pedophilia and child molestation, the video you posted has some logical merit, but it fails to take into account the fact that children lack the same reasoning ability that adults have and, therefore, are not as capable of decision-making. The parents are responsible for a child until that child is capable of making decisions. Other adults would not be permitted to perform sex acts with a child without the consent of the parent in such circumstances. Further, while parents must make certain decisions for their children, it is ideal to allow a child to develop his/her own opinions and preferences, particularly in areas in which it is unnecessary to impose a particular choice. Some children may eventually come to the decision that they do not want to have sex until some set of circumstances is fulfilled. Deciding that the child may have sex before he/she can come to that decision on his/her own is robbing that child of personal freedom.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    (continued) It is akin to tattooing a child before it can give informed consent. It is an unnecessary and permanent negation of that child`s ability to make a choice on the matter.
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    Kozy Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2011 at 11:00 pm
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    I thought I was the only one on IAB that knew what anarcho-capitalism even was.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 12:43 am
    @Kozy: Actually, it is technically illegal for the mentally handicapped to have sex. It is considered statutory rape because the parties involved are considered to be unable to give consent. There are some who argue that this should not be illegal (in fact I recently read an article on it, in which someone who works with the mentally handicapped talked about issues of consent and leaned toward allowing the mentally handicapped to have mutual sexual encounters). I think it is somewhat different with children, though. Mentally handicapped adults are still adults and adults might actually have sexual urges and seek out sexual congress. Children, in general, do not.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 12:44 am
    I noticed that he made the argument that it doesn’t matter if the child doesn’t mind, but I don’t think this is a good argument. Since we seem to have similar political leanings, I’ll use this example: if people never stop to think that maybe government is screwing them over, they don’t “mind” government, so does that make government right? I have a moral opposition to involuntary government. I think it restricts personal freedom and that there is no legitimacy to a body that does so. I don’t know if you think the same, but I think that it is wrong to force people to take part in a government not of their choosing, whether they are conscious of the wrong of it or not. The fact that the child is not aware of what is being done to him/her does not give legitimacy to the act.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 12:45 am
    It simply means that the child might not feel all of the emotional damage that might come with non-consensual sex, though I am skeptical of the idea of the child never feeling any shame or wrongness at the act. I think that, once the child is older and has a better understanding of sex, he/she might feel wronged for having no control over such an intimate thing. As much as society may try to pass it off as a casual thing, sex is generally not casual. It tends to walk hand in hand with powerful emotions. It isn’t just a matter of social training that makes many people want to wait to have sex until they fall in love. Some people are simply hardwired that way. Yes, there are people who are hardwired to attach little to no emotion to sex, but can you really gamble on such a psychologically weighted issue when it is something that is completely unnecessary for a child to experience? Further, consent to sex is not assumed, it must be attained.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 12:45 am
    When someone is drugged for the purpose of sex, it is called rape. The person does not object to it, but the person was not able to object to it. The same argument can be applied to children.

    I agree with you that pedophilia is not, in itself, wrong. It is simply the way some people are wired. However, being wired that way does not entitle them to fulfillment of their fantasies. An individual has every right to do what they will so long as it has no impact on the freedoms of others, but, once another becomes involved, the other must consent to the activity, or else it is an infringement of personal freedoms. As a child cannot consent, it is, in every case, an infringement on personal freedoms to have sex with a child.
  215. Profile photo of green_batman
    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 12:45 am
    Now, I don’t define childhood the same way the law does. Everyone is different when it comes to maturity and sexuality. There may be some 12-year-olds who are capable of making an informed decision to have sex. There may be some 20-year-olds who aren’t. Responsibility and consent are tricky things, but they are absolutely necessary if one is to act rightly.

    Ultimately, in what I would consider an ideal society, there would be no government to enforce laws regarding sex crimes. I am speaking normatively, rather than practically, because I realize that some amount of child molestation will happen in any society. What I am arguing, though, is that the moral high ground is in not indulging in sex with children, and that having sex with children is actually morally wrong.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2011 at 7:41 am
    @KOZY
    I`m pretty sure most Western Nations have an age of consent...If you are under that age, your consent is not recognized, thus its rape. Sex without consent is rape, your whole argument is based on the meaning of words, you cant just flip to a double standard when its convenient especially when that`s what you fault people for.I`m not arguing the validity of the age of consent, however i will point out that its very unlikely that that children that have not experienced puberty would actually enjoy sex, other than being able to spend time with an adult.I am no expert, and I`m pretty sure that in some cases that some children enjoy it.I was interested in sex at an early age, and probably would have been happy to be with a woman before my age of consent.The problem is, it is illegal, so the only people that actually have sex with children are so driven sexually that they are willing to risk prison to fulfill their lust...and therefore are not thinking rationally in the first plac
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2011 at 7:48 am
    @ green batman
    if there were no laws, you would be raped and eaten...
    not that i disagree with you philosophically, its just well look around you, if there were no laws, there would be no immigration laws. That would open the door for groups like the Taliban, the south American drug cartels, and the child armies of Africa.Until our species develops a little more, we need us some Laws up in here.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2011 at 7:51 am
    @green batman
    i would love to live in your government free world were things different:)
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    January 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    @chimneychang: Society would develop a kind of order. Think about it: government is really just a construct of man. What gives it its power? People do. Our society is the real power that keeps us in line. We don`t need a government because individuals protecting their rights would be just as quick, if not quicker, to shut you down when you infringe on them. Government takes away our freedom and makes us complacent, believing that it will step in and solve our problems for us. We would be much better off without it.
  220. Profile photo of chimmeychang
    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    January 13, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    that is assuming that humans are rational beings. As much as i would like for you to be right, I think humans have expressed far to much interest in control and domination(as seen by said governments)for anarchy to work yet. The U.S. Government itself is supposed to be a body of the people, by the people, for the people...as it turns out it is all of those, only it is strongly influenced by a small number of people unequal proportionately to the population. When humans are truly ready for self government, it will happen...until then we have what we have.When there is no more need for laws against rape, exploitation, and human trafficking, until there are no more willing to profit regardless of the suffering they cause others, we will need government.

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