San Francisco Police Shoot a Man in a Wheelchair

Submitted by: madest 6 years ago in

Unstable guy in a wheelchair weilds knife and gets shot in response.
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Male 411
Just because you`re in a wheelchair doesn`t mean you can`t kill someone with a knife. It also doesn`t mean you`re allowed to go around swinging your knife at cops.
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Male 42
Cops have carried guns for years, yet people STILL complain about getting shot. DERP if you are white, those guns will not be used on you, so you have nothing to worry about.

tl;dr - Stop being a minority.
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Female 14
My dad`s carried a Xacto blade around with him everywhere cause he uses it at work. Yes it`s dangerous. But depending on what the was in trouble for in the first place, he may have been just showing them his concealed weapon so he didn`t get into more trouble. ..It`s possible.
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Male 773
Cops have carried guns for years, yet people STILL complain about getting shot. DERP if you aren`t breaking any laws, those guns will not be used on you, so you have nothing to worry about.

tl;dr - Stop breaking laws.
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Male 3,076
drating ass hole!
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Male 358
@almightbob1 +1 internet for you
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Male 22
SF cops don`t carry Tasers, but they didn`t need to shoot him - they could have easily disarmed him with a nightstick. I think what happened was that one cop hit him with the beanbag, and the other one (hearing that shot) just shot him out of reflex.
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Male 4,290
[quote]So running around, threatening people with a knife is now some sort of civil liberty?[/quote]
I think you`ll find he wasn`t running around anywhere.
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Male 497
"This is what you get when you don`t pay attention to your civil liberties slipping away...and it gets worse from here."

So running around, threatening people with a knife is now some sort of civil liberty?
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Male 440
2 Unlimited. Wow that brings me back. :^)
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Male 440
I`m for equal rights. Wheelchair or no wheelchair the questions are "Was he a threat? Did he surrender peacefully? Were the police in danger?". If you answer Yes, No, Yes, to those questions then he deseved to be shot. If you answered Yes, Yes, Yes, you weren`t paying attension. Yes, No, No = huh? No, No, No was a bad Techno song from the 90s.
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Male 180
He stabbed a cop in the shoulder. They first used pepper spray, then a beanbag round. When the suspect threw the knife in the direction of the officers seem to have taken that as an attack. If he had other weapons, they didn`t know, he could have easily had more stowed in his chair and on his person.
Still, someone should have used a Taser before this point.
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Male 2,850
@SmilinSam

"fully armed/capable officers cannot disarm a handicapped man without shooting him?"

How can you be certain he is handicapped?

Anyone can sit in a wheelchair.

It wouldn`t be smart for the police to just assume. They deal with people who lie and cheat and con all the time; their default attitude should be to doubt and question everything.

ESPECIALLY when a weapon is involved.
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Male 2,850
@jamie76

"wow, so basically cops just shot anything and anyone now huh...we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it?"

Wave a knife around, get shot. Isn`t that the expected course of events?

Why does it matter if he`s in a wheelchair?

For one thing, a disibility shouldn`t and doesn`t get you special treatment. That`s what equality is folks; you get treated just the same as everyone else (or special treatment that allows you to effectively get treated like everyone else; wheelchair ramps, etc).

Also, how do the cops know he`s actually incapable of walking? I`m fully functional and capable of walking. Nothing is stopping me from sitting in a wheelchair and faking it. Making the assumption that wheelchair = harmless could be dangerous.
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Male 2,372
The most disturbing thing about this whole clip was the foul language from the potty-mouth recording the video.

C`mon, San Francisco Chronicle, clean up your act!
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Female 21
They should have just shot his tires out.....

But joking aside.... if those were nonlethal rounds then there is no news here. Wield a knife like a crazy guy then you`ve got it coming... wheelchair or not.
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Male 1,627
they did the right thing. a guy with a knife you shoot them with a non lethal round
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Male 2,402
@I-IS-BORED

Could you go over that again?
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Male 96
Not saying the cops were in the right. SF chronicle quotes a PD rep. saying that officers saw the knife being thrown at them instead of being discarded, then they fired. Bad situational awareness gets people needlessly shot.
That said, depending on the distance of someone with a knife from you, they can harm you before you have a chance to un-holster your weapon aim and fire. This is why police are supposed to maintain 20 ft in these circumstances, which these officers did not, and have weapons drawn. They probably all realized how close they were at once and freaked out, bam, horrifying events ensue.
If it were me as a civilian in the same situation, and I`d fired, I`d probably lose a lot of sleep over it, but I`d be pissed if anyone said I should be punished for defending myself. The guy had the intent and means to hurt people, and plenty of people have faked physical illnesses before.
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Male 2,419
@Cajun
how many times do i need to say this?
THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT! THEY ARE PETITIONING TO GET IT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING USED AS EVIDENCE OF THEIR NECESSITY!
and a taser hit anywhere CAN kill somebody, NON-LETHAL shots DON`T.

Do you people actually expect the police to follow this mentally deranged man wielding a knife around town offering him flowers until he decides to stop stabbing people?
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Male 39,539
I still think it`s a bean bag gun,
but if it`s not "we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it? "

This is what you get when you don`t pay attention to your civil liberties slipping away...and it gets worse from here.
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Male 2,345
wow, so basically cops just shot anything and anyone now huh...we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it?
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Male 377
Well it seems he really is handi-capable!
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Male 662
"Bean Bag gun... he`s not hurt. " they tried that then real bullets
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Male 3,482
[quote]Doesn`t look like it. So they just chose to end his life.[/quote]
His injuries were NOT LIFE-THREATENING.

Excessive? Maybe. Murder? No. A good use of a bullet to prevent captain psycho from potentially breeding through some method? I think so.

[quote]If it were to no be removed you would eventually die from causes such as blood loss and/or anaerobic bacteria poisoning.[/quote]
Actually, initially, leaving the bullet in helps to stop blood loss. Taking the bullet OUT generally causes more blood loss than just leaving it in.

Also, as for "Anaerobic bacteria poisoning"... I could get a f*cking SPLINTER in my finger and end up with complications like that. As long as it`s well-treated at an adequately equipped medical facility, the only problems would be pure bad luck.
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Male 39,539
Bean Bag gun... he`s not hurt.
Not seriously anyway.

Made him drop the knife though, didn`t it.
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Male 2,402
@slothofdoom
If it were to no be removed you would eventually die from causes such as blood loss and/or anaerobic bacteria poisoning. Therefore eventual death. Thus life threatening.
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Male 2,441
They were threatened. Him or them? Easy choice.
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Male 2,579
Subvert the system
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Male 2,579
This is typical police work. I see nothing out of the ordinary.
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Male 10,855
Hell if not most other police forces in the world.
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Male 2,033
Yes, I am lucky it didn`t hit an artery. And since it didn`t it wasn`t life threatening. See how that works?

And yes, I had the slug removed.
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Male 10,855
@I-IS-BORED

Then the SFPD is a POORLY equipped police force. Did they have rubber bullets? Doesn`t look like it. So they just chose to end his life. As a matter a fact a taser is the weapon of choice for the Dallas Police Department when dealing with a knife wielding maniac wheelchair or not.
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Male 2,402
@SlothofDoom

You were just lucky it didn`t hit an artery. Second did you leave the slug inside or was it treated?
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Male 37
@SlothofDoom

Thats about the stupidest comment ive seen today. Have you heard of something called an artery? If that gets hit, youll bleed out in minutes. You just got lucky.
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Male 2,033
Not all gunshot wounds are life threatening. At least not in any real sense of the term. that is like saying any minor bump is life threatening because you could throw a clot into your lung.
I took a 9mm round to the left leg about 12 years ago from a 9m beretta from extreme range. I`m not saying it tickled, but it was about as life threatening as some of the skateboarding fails you see here daily.
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Male 544
So, the rule of thumb for police officers in the San Francisco area is this: if some dude is brandishing a knife, draw your hand gun. If the dude is brandishing the knife and is at least twenty feet away, you shoot him.
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Male 2,388
Youre all right all those fatalities caused by guns are really just the figments of youre imagination. stupidest thing ive ever heard.
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Male 2,419
He`s not physically disabled at all. He walked around on his own he just had the wheelchair for no dratin reason. Stop saying he was a cripple.

@Handys
Plenty of gun shot wounds aren`t life threatening because they`ll clot before you bleed out enough.
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Male 2,402
WTF! A gun shot wound that is not life threatening? What planet are people on. Any gunshot causes severe bleeding, and all severe wounds are life threatening. What a bunch of f*cking idiots.
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Female 3,598
watch fatty run @ 1:24 HAHAHA

fully armed/capable officers cannot disarm a handicapped man without shooting him? i thought guns were supposed to be a last resort type thing for police officers... they should have just run up behind him and tipped his wheelchair over... sheesh.
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Male 109
lol not "OMG gun shots!" its "That was unnecessary" It`s just self-defense; i`d have shot him if i felt in danger of being stabbed...
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Male 255
Maybe they shot on his wheels, so he can not escape.
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Male 199
LINK

"He was shot in the groin and is expected to survive"

Shooting guys in the D***
Male 3,431
I don`t understand why that had to shoot him, they could have used the Jedi Mind Trick and he would have dropped the knife...ohh wait, this is the REAL WORLD. I don`t know the whole damned story. I am making a judgment from the comfort of my chair rather than in the middle of a confrontation with someone that MIGHT KILL ME. Anyone that wants to whinge and cry about it should STFU and VOLUNTEER for a Police Ride Along. Until you`ve spent a few frantic moments in their shoes, do not presume to be wiser.
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Male 176
meh I saw his leg move, he could have probably stood up and took em all out.
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Male 2,033
@ElMustache

They DID pepper spray him and as already stated the SFPD doesn`t have tasers.

Any other bright ideas? Maybe a beanbag gun? Oh wait they did that too.


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Male 1,625
Pepper spray? Tazer? They had to shoot him?! seriously?
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Male 533
It was quite clearly a beanbag gun....
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Male 4,004
Also tazers are known to kill. They don`t do it all the time, but every once in a while...dead.

While a gun won`t kill you if the person shoots in a non-lethal location.
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Male 2,033
Also, for everyone whining about how they should have used tasers, maybe you should spend three seconds on google to discover that the SFPD aren`t allowed to carry them. Kind of hard to use equipment on someone when your own government won`t allow you to have it.
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Male 3,482
I think the full story needs posted again:

Full Story, as initially posted by TopperHey.

Guy wasn`t "wheelchair-bound" he got up and walked around at one point. Not only that, but he`s mentally unstable and has a record of going there and causing problems.

That said... A tazer probably would have done the job sufficiently, without blowing the dude`s balls off in the process...
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Male 2,033
So ....f they had shot some fully functional crackhead it would be ok, but not a guy in a wheelchair?

What kind of bullpoo logic is that? A knife is dangerous no matter who wields it. As someone that spent two years in a wheelchair, believe me when I say that a guy like this could easily mess up a few cops before they took him down.

Let`s not even mention the facts that the knife could be thrown, or that the guy might not even be crippled and could lunge out of the chair (probably not the case here, but would YOUtake that chance if you were the cops?
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Male 4,004
We give these cripples all the awesome parking spots, in return, I want them to get shot if they misbehave.
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Male 4,004
I love how many of you are talking against cops while it`s one of the few cases where they did not discriminate against him and treated him as an equal.
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Male 4,004
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Male 551
Even if the man stabbed or even killed somebody else, he threw the knife
away, aren`t cops trained enough to realize that they could take him down
with their own hands already and not using a gun?

You people are defending the cops because this guy stabbed one of them, and
I agree, except that he was unarmed already when they shotted him again

There goes more money to the medical treatment, well done
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Male 490
Yup, he stabbed an officer. The police were right to shoot him in a non-vital area.
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Male 4,004
Had he not been in a wheelchair it would have been ok to shoot at him then? drat that you disobey police while being a visible threat you get shot. I have no problem with this. I don`t want to be stabbed by an unstable guy in a wheelchair anymore than I want to be stabbed by a guy without a wheelchair.
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Male 15,510
Wow America wow, scary
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Male 101
@gorgack2000
exactly. Also, armchair anarchist, I love it!
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Male 2,419
@Crakr
because they don`t have them, it`s SF

@Cajun
See above & he wasn`t wheelchair bound, he just happened to be sitting in a wheelchair.
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Female 798
Eh this isn`t as bad as what happened at my college. A grad student lost it and had a nervous breakdown in his apartment, police were called because he was screaming, and then they broke into the guy`s house and shot him in the face with an assault rifle after they claimed he charged at them wielding a pipe. Somehow he lived but he was in the hospital for a long time. Oh, and did I mention he had polio as a child so he had to walk with a cane and walked extremely slow at that?
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Male 217
Quote from USAToday:
"San Francisco`s police chief is renewing his call for Tasers after officers shot an agitated man in a wheelchair who allegedly stabbed one cop in the shoulder and slashed tires on city cars, the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting. The confrontation, which involved four officers yesterday morning, was captured by a phone camera.

Both the suspect and officer suffered wounds that are not life-threatening, police said. The suspect, who was armed with a knife and a chunk of concrete, was shot in the groin while seated in his chair, though he had left it earlier and walked around."


If that dude stabbed an officer, he needs to be put in his place, I`m sorry. We can`t just have knife-wielding maniacs stabbing the law-enforcement, now can we? Plus, he didn`t suffer any severe injuries. Stop blowing it out of proportion.
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Male 4,680
And yet again, armchair anarchists take a clip completely out of context and try to use it as proof that the USA must be a dystopia.

Stop whining about how you`re being `oppressed`, stop crying about crap that isn`t happening and realise how lucky you are to live in the world`s richest country. Also shave that neckbeard and get a job.
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Male 17,512
Why didn`t they use a taser ? My God!
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Male 1,744
police need to shoot people more often, we`re not afraid of them enough
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Male 10,855
I agree with madest on this one. If it was a guy on two legs wielding a knife I`d be on the cops side. But it was a mentally unstable, wheelchair bound person it would`ve been better if they`ve used their tasers instead.
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Male 2,506
If they didn`t shoot him, they`d be treating him differently
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Male 136
gcghost,

America is the land of the free? I haven`t heard a good joke in a while, thanks for that.
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Male 238
@RoniC - ever heard of bit.ly?
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Male 880
Should have shot him in the chest, one less person to worry about.
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Female 148
From the Examinor (url to long to post, sorry)

Quote:

...surrounding the man and attempting to subdue him with a beanbag gun...

Quote:

...the man had stabbed a police officer in the shoulder after cops were called to a mental health services center.
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Male 7,378
San Francisco Police motto: Never use a taser when you have a gun instead!
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Male 92
I don`t know the whole story, but the guy in the video said "shot him with a shotgun"... may have just been one of those pepper slugs or whatever that stuns/incapacitates and not kills.

@steve17... so he should be free to harm himself or others, cause accidents or stab someone?
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Male 25,417
In all fairness, they refused to drop it, thus if police approached they could get stabbed, but they could have come in and tried to negotiate
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Male 168
@steve17: It`s "land of the free" not "land of the free to roll up and stab somebody"
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Male 10,338
The guy threw the knife at the cop. That`s assault.

Unload your weapons in his face!
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Male 55
Huh, I used to work right at that intersection, less than half a block away from that spot; recognized the buildings I had to walk past every day. Makes me feel safe.
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Male 9
The shot to the groin may have been excessive, but I sympathize with the cops. The guy is clearly nuts to bring a knife to a gunfight with a half-dozen cops. Although, it is in SF so the guy may lose his badge (the one with the handgun, not the beanbag gun).
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Male 99
typical americans...
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Male 155
this is why i just can`t accept any American saying `land of the free`
your country is messed up
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Male 237
I`m not sorry for the guy who decided to go Rambo. Would`ve been worse with the guy being able to stab someone else, with the police all around not doing anything to stop him.
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Male 2,700
So a cop cant approach him from behind and just wheel his punk ass outta there? Dude has a knife....A goddamn knife.....A cowboy and a lasso could have done aa better job than these trigger happy tax leeches
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Male 303
TopperHey

Yeah, an unstable guy stabs a policeman so its OK to shoot him at POINT BLANK...

"In the video, one of the officers shoots the suspect using a beanbag gun, and the suspect appears to throw the knife aside. A split second later the suspect is shot in the groin with a handgun."

Sure, i kinda understand the reaction and all, still not cool.
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Male 2,419
Th-th-hey di wha? They di wha? Whu they do?
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Male 112
I taught he a handycap, dat man aint no handycap, shhiit.
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Male 683
@TopperHey

Sounds like his balls got shot off in the "full story" xD
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Male 25
"I want to make sure we put the video in context," Police Chief George Gascón said at a news conference after releasing the video. "We have an individual acting violently. He had a knife. One of the officers has been stabbed."
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Male 96
Heil USA!
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Male 303
Wait... what?
seriously?
They did what? they did what?
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Male 997
"Police first used pepper spray to subdue the suspect, who at one point got out of his chair and walked around, Gascón said. While trying to control the suspect, one of the plainclothes officers who initially responded to the call was stabbed, police said. It was several minutes later before more police arrived at the scene.
Read more:
Man wasn`t a cripple
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Male 1,929
Full story. All sounds very reasonable to me. (Except for the twat in the wheelchair of course)
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Male 98
What? We can`t afford tasers in this city?!
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Male 7,378
Link: San Francisco Police Shoot a Man in a Wheelchair [Rate Link] - Unstable guy in a wheelchair weilds knife and gets shot in response.
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