Ohio Mom Jailed for Sending Kids To Better School

Submitted by: fancylad 6 years ago in

An Ohio mom"s attempt to provide her daughters with a better education has landed her in jail. Think it"s a race issue?
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Female 212
People do this all the time. My folks did it for me. Ef ya`ll who think she did something wrong. Lady got a FELONY for try to keep her kids ALIVE. I`m a mom, id do the same.
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Female 4
WOW- you people talking about "she stole taxpayer dollars"or talking about"my tax dollar"...WTF.? THIS WAS ABOUT doing what she had to for her children. Pretty sure SHE WOULD move up out of where she is IF SHE COULD AND IF IT WERE THAT EASY. NONE of you will GO BROKE over her kids going to "YOUR" school district on your fricken tax dollar. If times were bad for you and you were stuck living in a place with your children having to go to schools THAT SUCKED but saw an opportunity to send your child to a better school by using a fake address would you think about it being illegal and on other taxpayers dollars etc or would you take your chances, hope you dont get caught and get YOUR CHILD THE BEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE? ITS ABOUT THE CHILDREN... you should be ashamed. IF ITS THAT BIG OF A DEAL THEN WHY NOT FIX THE PROBLEM BY FIXING THE "GHETTO-FIED CRACK DEN" SCHOOLS?? WE are ALL STRUGGLING and WE NEED TO HELP OUT ONE ANOTHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.Greedy
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Female 258
oh why, oh why, oh why!
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Male 20
I live in the school district she sent her kids to, Copley High School on Ridgewood (lol, wood) road. This is not a race thing. This is a legal thing, kids from Akron city schools fake moving in with relatives that live in Copley to go to our schools because theirs are all ghetto-fied crack dens. Thats not racism, check crime rates and school reports for Akron Ohio and you will see what I mean. This woman, and the dozens more like her, falsified records to get her kid sent to my school district on my tax dollar. Many more like her did the same thing. Delan Carter? That semi-famous football guy that went to Syracuse? Same thing. The perpetrators of this particular crime happen to be black, thats not a reason to let them off the hook. Oh yeah, the charge was 2 counts of FELONY tampering with records. Unless it was a felony `eating fried chicken` it wasn`t a race thing. Criminals deserve prison time.
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Female 3,598
so why didn`t she just move in with her dad permanently and start paying the correct taxes to the correct district? problem solved?
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Female 1,101
"Bullpoo. drat those people for making them stop the pursuit of better education."

Yea, well what if I went and stole from someones home to finance my college education? It would be stealing right? Same thing. She broke the law and basically stole taxpayer dollars for her own child.

TO BAD SHE KNEW IT WAS ILLEGAL! She has the right to vote and the right to protest, but she doesn`t have the right to break the law, just like everyone else!
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Male 229
Bullpoo. drat those people for making them stop the pursuit of better education.
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Male 39,544
Zombunny - [quote]ridiculous thing to send someone to jail for. [/quote]

Well, we can`t let them be gettin above their station, now can we.
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Female 1,380
@divya110 wow the spammers are getting more and more sneaky
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Female 2,525
What a ridiculous thing to send someone to jail for. There are rapists and murderers on the street and this is what our tax money pays for?
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Male 5,189
@acthrellis

Signed!
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Female 999
Leave her alone! Let the crappy parents have the crappy schools. My kid`s on independent study right now to get him in a better school.
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Female 98
If anyone is interested, HERE is a link to sign a petition urging Gov. Kasich to pardon her. Thanks :)
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Male 3,631
The race issue is: you wouldn`t be asking that question if she was white.
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Male 15
caught her living in the wrong district? whaaaaaa?
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Male 532
Okay, here`s the thing... Her father lives in the district that she wants to send her kids to school in right? You pay school taxes regardless of whether you have kids or not, so he is actually paying money into that school district and therefore no crime was committed. This is an utter outrage. What I don`t agree with is bussing kids from failing schools into better schools because all you are doing is bringing down the average of the better school and doing nothing to improve the quality of the failing school.
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Female 211
Wait, they said they "caught her living in the wrong district" ... WTF.
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Male 1,548
@green_batman
For the end goal of anarcho-capitalism to work (a free society responsible for its own actions), it requires a socialist education system. If a schooling system were truly anarcho-capitalist, we would expect children to pay for their own schooling without parental aid, probably through loans. You can imagine the problems that would come from a 5-year old signing for loans.

One cannot make the responsible decisions necessary for anarcho-capitalism to work without being educated to do so. That education needs to be provided to everyone equally, regardless of the wealth of parents. You can only have fair and equal capitalist competition if you start on the same footing.

I`m an anarcho-capitalist myself, but Education, Defense, and some infrastructure (i.e. roads) are absolutely required to be government responsibilities for such a system to work.
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Male 600
Enter bureaucracy, the true death of the democtatic/republic system...
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Female 322
Poor lady she just wanted to help her kids. Plus her dad lived in the area so it`s not like it was a complete lie.
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Female 728
@Volsunga: I think we are regarding the issue from the perspectives of two different political systems. I think that anarcho-capitalism is the best system. In other words, every person is responsible for himself and you can`t really leech off of society. At the worst, you can leech off of your family under such a system.

The voucher system doesn`t treat schools as buildings unless the parents do so. Parents would have the option to pick which school to send their children to, and that selection would almost certainly depend on the teachers at the school. I do agree with you that the teachers` union is a bad thing, though. Tenure needs to go and teachers need to be paid based on their abilities, not based on the number of degrees they have or on the bs standards of the union.
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Male 491
Well at least she got to wear some nice strippy pj`s to relax in for 10 days.:-)
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Male 14,331

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Male 1,548
@green_batman
How is it a problem that people without children pay into the education system? As individuals, they receive the same amount of societal benefit from an educated populace as a parent does. In the economic sense of the matter, the parent-child relationship is utterly irrelevant.
As a rule, I agree with you on not taking responsibility for the choices of others. Education is the exception. One cannot be allowed to be a leech on society due to ignorance.
The voucher system is utterly flawed because it acts as if schools are nothing but the buildings they occupy. What matters is the teachers, and what causes bad teachers is mostly unions.
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Female 728
And, before you question what my dad taught me, I have since done independent research and found what he taught true, while me teachers taught me some very slanted things.

I do realize that this may not always be possible for the poor. I still think that it is possible, that it simply requires motivation, but that many poor lack the motivation. While I do not generally think it is right to try to take responsibility for the choices of others, I think that the voucher system is a lesser evil that is acceptable, if not ideal. It still does not eliminate the problem of requiring those who do not have children to pay into the education system, or for that matter, the inequality among those with differing numbers of children, but it is better than the current system.
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Female 728
@auburnjunky: I wasn`t referring to the quality of education. I went to a quality public high school (though my middle and elementary schools were crap). I was referring to the fairness of the system. People should pay for what they get, but should also have the freedom to choose what to pay for. Private schools allow that, public schools do not.

@Volsunga: It is possible to be educated without going to school. Much of my education beyond the elementary school level has been through me reading and doing research on topics I am interested in on my own time. Much of my elementary education was my parents correcting the things my teachers were teaching to me the wrong way. My dad in particular is very much a history buff, so when my teachers tried to distort history to push an agenda, my dad taught me correctly.
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Male 155
this could have all been avoided with a change of address form. suddenly, the kids live with grandpa! do that FIRST and no one is the wiser and it`s legal. she is not in jail directly for trying to give her kids a better life: saying that is ridiculous and inflammatory. she`s in jail for what amounts to tax evasion.
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Male 1,929
Lol, cameras in the courtroom. Sorry, but drat no.
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Male 3,745
Volsunga i think YOU are the non-nice individual and since the mother cannot read this thread to cry on her own ill cry for her :`(
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Male 1,548
@collegebound
Yes, because she, and at least 30 other families ran away instead of trying to band together and fix the school. There are obviously enough people that give a damn, they are just idiots that try to bring down other districts instead of building up on their own.
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Male 1,548
@green_batman
The problem with the "private only" model is that it makes education as a whole a commodity. People can choose whether or not to go to school at all. Education is probably the only thing that needs to be socialized. It is necessary for a modern society that every single person be educated, ESPECIALLY the lower class (so they can dig themselves out of that class).
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Male 3,745
"Some, like this dumb b*tch, try to run away from them."

shes a dumb bitch because she realized that nobody in her community gives a damn about the school her child was supposed to go to?
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Female 376
I love how we`re supposed to feel `baaaad` for this woman. We live by laws (for the time being) We all want a better "something" that does not give us the right to lie in order to get it. Why, because shes African American we`re supposed to have this utter guilt. Spare me. I feel bad to some degree but not enough to say what was done was justified. We live by laws, deal with it. Liberal media is all this story amounts to.
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Male 10,338
"Private schools are the only good system."

I beg to differ. I send my kids to public school, and it`s a damn good one.

We were a part of the county school system, but the city formed it`s own Board Of Education. Since then, our test scores have come up, and tenure is way down. We have had National Teachers of the Year for the past 4 years, and our Elementary school is a blue ribbon award winner. Our football team has won the state championship 2 times and basketball once since we split from the county school system 7 years ago as well. I know that isn`t what we are talking about, but it just goes back to things improving as a whole.
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Male 1,548
@reptilia
How is "don`t falsify government documents" an unjust law? That`s the issue here, not her motivation for doing so.

The problem with the "bad inner city schools" is that people just accept that they are bad. Some, like this dumb b*tch, try to run away from them. What needs to be done is f*cking fix them. Your education shouldn`t be affected by where you live. Everyone in the community can help. All concerned parents should be obligated to help.
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Female 728
I will say, though, that this woman should have tried to send her children to private school in this case. It may not have been possible given her income, but even in a fair system with private schools, there is no guarantee that the school she sent her children to would be more affordable. She didn`t pay for the school she sent her children to, and that is a problem.
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Female 728
This is the problem with the public school system. People are required through taxation to pay into a school not of their choice. So she has to pay taxes that go toward the schools in her district, when she might have been able to use that money to get her kids into a better school elsewhere. Not to mention that people who don`t have kids also have to pay for schools. Private schools are the only good system. Private schools now are expensive, but that is because they have to limit the number of students they get and because public schools make them considered a luxury. If we had nothing but private schools, they would have to compete and the prices would lower on some private schools, and there would be more demand for private schools, so more would be created. This would allow people to pay for whatever school they feel is right for their children and within their means.
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Male 3,745
"and the liberal who constantly push for making classes easier for the minorities. "

they make the classes easier for the teachers...no one group of people is stupider than the other unless they are brought up that way in which case that can still be fixed...
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Male 10,338
@reptilia:

It isn`t an unjust law. What`s unjust is the teachers unions driving down the quality of our inner city schools, and the liberal who constantly push for making classes easier for the minorities.

If the standards were the same, and the teachers had motivation to teach, then eventually we would catch up. As it is now, once a teacher gets tenure, they cease to care, because they know it is very hard to fire them.
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Female 34
5cats, are you really that stupid? No one should be forced to submit themselves to an unjust law. I forget how the quote goes, but it`s our moral obligation to disobey unjust laws. It`s no secret that America sucks at education--we ranked 14th out of 34 countries for reading skills, 17th for science and 25th for math. That doesn`t just mean that our kids are stupid, it means the entire future of America is in the hands of a bunch of morons. So what should we do about the ones who dare to fight for their child`s education level to be above average? Lock them up. And send their kids back to the poor school where they belong? You`re clearly happy with the pooty education you`ve received, but that`s only because you`re too stupid to know better. The rest of us are either going to fight this broken system or try to fix it.
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Male 10,338
"but i think most of it comes from the system being mad that she made them look bad and wanted to make an example."

No, it comes from she broke the law. Period.
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Female 219
@5cats how is she going to pay them $30,000 when she said she was poor....
I no she broke the law and should accept the consequences but i think most of it comes from the system being mad that she made them look bad and wanted to make an example. I dont think its a race issue however. As far as punishments go 10 days in jail isn`t so bad, whats worse tho is now her kids have to go back to the school and she might loose her chance to teach. I think after she serves her time the damn school should let it go, but thats never going to happen.
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Male 1,931
I`m divided. But charging her 30 grand? And inditing her? Ruining her career? drat.
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Male 452
"Say thanks to your liberal politicians for this one. Conservatives have been pushing for vouchers forever."

Aye, that they have.
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Male 40,293
vv But Mom WASN`T `willing to do the work` she tried to CHEAT her way into the better school, m-kay?
It DID cost the school money since her kids were attending (which costs money) but she wasn`t paying taxes to support the school. Her dad was, but hey, that`s not the point here.
Break the law = pay the price, that`s how it oughta work! She could have avoided jail by paying the fines & stuff, but SHE chose to make it a `race` issue & lost.
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Male 833
i certainly understand why she felt she needed to get out of her district. but if her father lives in the other district why didnt she just move in with him? im sure he wouldnt mind being closer to his daughter and grandkids, especially if it keeps them safer and gives them a better education. yes the school district thing is a big issue, but as it pertains to this woman specifically, there must have been a smarter way to handle the situation
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Male 3,745
"You`re an non-nice individual. That school DID have an impact. I went from having a 60 in multiple classes in a bad high school, to having only As at that high school. I made spelling errors because I was angry and in a hurry. To your information, I am a straight A college student, new student representative of my university`s honors program, a presidential scholar and have MORE than a full ride. In fact, I get money LEFT OVER from academic scholarships, so take your negativity, and shove it up your ass."

wuht? how am i a non-nice individual? all im saying is that nobody should have to do such stupid things to send their children to better schools...

i happen to live in the worst city with the worst school system in the entire US...my mom wanted to choose the lesser of 2 evils for my sake...

YOU sir are a non nice individual...
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Male 10,338
@boredhero:

She could have been heard without martyring herself.
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Male 108
It says at the end that she was the only one who fought the school system which is why they went to court and it is here that she was found guilty. I can agree that it`s dumb as f-u-c-k that people can be thrown in jail over what school your child goes to, but if you fight the system without the proper support you`re going to lose. But please what`s with the constant American bashing by most of you who claim to be an American? The beauty of our country is that if you don`t like the current system, you can get off your lazy ass and try to get into politics to change it (and you won`t get imprisoned for it.) The squeaky wheel gets the oil only when it`s loud enough to be heard.
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Male 10,338
"yes this is why we must never approve school choice or vouchers. we have to keep those poor black people out of the high class white schools."

Say thanks to your liberal politicians for this one. Conservatives have been pushing for vouchers forever.
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Male 770
yes this is why we must never approve school choice or vouchers. we have to keep those poor black people out of the high class white schools. oops i`m sorry i forgot its not a race issue its a separation of church and state issue because someone might decide to go to a catholic school with their voucher.
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Male 10,338
"if he found a dozen or more - yeah, prosecute."

They found 30 kids who were not in the right district. She was the only one who refused to pay/lave after her kid was caught.
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Male 10,338
"Or that it`s wrong for cancer patients to use marijuana to treat their nausea because it`s against federal law?"

It`s not against the law to use. It`s against the law to possess.

Yes I also believe blacks were wrong in breaking segregation laws. I don`t think the laws were right, but they were still laws, and they should be abided by until they are changed. The bus boycott would have done the same job without Rosa Parks not moving.
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Male 5,194
"...the district hired a private investigator to follow her."

Wait - WHAT? Let me get this straight: Some jackhole on the school board get a bug up his ass and SPENDS SCHOOL MONEY ON A DETECTIVE to have them follow some kids around? And they found what - ONE family? ONE?

If he found a dozen or more - yeah, prosecute. ONE? Don`t prosecute and shut the hell up about it because you probably spent more hiring the detective than that one woman`s kids are costing the district.
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Female 20
Is it any wonder why America has less than 5% of the world`s population and 23.4% of the world`s prison population? I keep reading all these comments saying oh she broke the law and the law is the law you can`t break it and such. Well I think the statistics prove something needs to be done to reform our criminal justice system, whether it be changing these ridiculous laws or otherwise.
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Male 2
Race is not the issue here, she is stealing from the taxpayers of the neighboring school district. I live in an area where the school taxes are the highest in the state(ny), but we have the best teachers and school buildings. If someone from outside the district wants their little welfare gangbangers to go to our school that we pay through the nose to create and maintain they need to pay the tuition.

P.S. The laws are not broken... you get what you pay for
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Male 382
God Bless that Mom.
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Male 2,868
"Breaking laws is NEVER the answer."

@auburnjunky-
Not that I`m in any way comparing her actions to genuine civil disobedience (since she tried not to get caught), but never is a strong word. Are you saying that it was wrong for black people to disobey segregation laws in the 60`s? Or that it`s wrong for cancer patients to use marijuana to treat their nausea because it`s against federal law?
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Female 4,086
this is quite common in the state i live in however the small difference is that the children usually DO live with the grandparents or the appropriate family members, at least five days per week. not having had any kids i can`t really comment other than thinking that the punishment seems a bit harsh.
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Male 997
So her children are no all alone...
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Female 386
@collegebound

You`re an non-nice individual. That school DID have an impact. I went from having a 60 in multiple classes in a bad high school, to having only As at that high school. I made spelling errors because I was angry and in a hurry. To your information, I am a straight A college student, new student representative of my university`s honors program, a presidential scholar and have MORE than a full ride. In fact, I get money LEFT OVER from academic scholarships, so take your negativity, and shove it up your ass.
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Male 2,868
It`s not a race issue, it`s a poverty issue. Brown Vs. Education struck down the racial segregation of schools based on the idea that when schools are segregated by race, they are inherently unequal- and that children, being unable to choose what race they are born- deserve equal access to education.

But children can`t choose how much money their parents have any more than they can choose their race, and schools ARE economically segregated, since school funding is largely based upon property taxes in most areas. So kids born to low-income parents not only have a disadvantage because they have to go to school in high-crime neighborhoods, but they also have to go to inadequately funded schools.
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Male 1,678
The people in the area that pays higher taxes, pay the higher taxes so their children can get the best possible education, not so other people can leech off it. I have sympathy for her wanting to get her children a better education, but blatantly and knowingly breaking the law isn`t the way to do it and she deserves punished. What i don`t understand here is that if she`s so close to becoming a qualified teacher herself, why doesn`t she just give her kids a bit of extra home schooling?

Whats with the "race issue" poo in the description? I`m pretty sure poor white people have to go to worse schools than well off black people too. Stop trolling.
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Male 213
The message is clear: If you want your kids to be stupid, live in Ohio. Oughta put that on a sign on the interstate as you cross the state line. This disgusts me to no end.
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Male 2,390
she broke the law, plain and simple. It`s not whether it`s right or wrong, it`s still the law. Same thing were I live. You want your child to go to a better school you lie. Get a PO Box and lie, but get caught and be prepared to pay for it. They`ve done it in the past when someone was caught living out of district and lying about it. Oh yeah, and they were white. No this is not a race issue. For once can we just say, someone broke the law, the LAW is broken, and fix the laws to better the people instead of lying behind some bullpoo statement of race being the issue.
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Male 10
Ohio is extremely strict about all the wrong things, its like living in fat central w all these fugley, corn fed, inbreeds. even Michigan lets you choose any district you want to send your kids to for schooling. meanwhile, in ohio, a chick just got caught chaining her kids in their rooms and guess where her kids still live....
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Male 3,076
this is what making us think you are a drated up country! poor lady didn`t do any thin wrong!
message to those who think this is ok: drat YOU!
she didn`t bother,hurt or killed anybody by sending her to prison you are wasting tax money! and area code??? WTF is wrong with you?
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Male 901
@volsunga

That is, of course, what I meant. It might be unavoidable that there are both poorer and richer districts, but why should the children in poor families suffer because of their parents` class?
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Male 1,129
complete and utter trash... poor lady
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Male 385
Ogen falsification of government (public school) documents is a felony.
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Female 779
They have school districts in the US? Weird... In Canada you can go where ever you want and the school fees are all under $100... Unless you`re going to a fancy private school in which case its under $1000.
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Male 441
Convicted of a felony? 10 days in jail? Not a felony... that`s a misdemeanor.

Also, why shouldn`t her girls go to a better school if their mom is willing to do all the work to get them there. Someone does live in the area, it isn`t like she had no one near there living there.

Seems like bullpoo to me.
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Male 2
If She was white would race have been brought up? give me break
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Male 721
why do blacks always play the race card. you cant bend the law just like the rest of us. c*nts
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Male 493
She broke the law, she went to jail.
There`s no race issue, she broke the law.
This shouldn`t even be a hot-button issue.
She could have moved or paid, problem solved.
America, you gotta settle down. From: Canada
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Male 2,586
well, at least I know I`ll have good gums from now on :-)
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Male 734
Just remember folks, the Democrats and teachers unions don`t want parental choice in schools. You want to blame someone for this, blame them.
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Male 1,548
@Hansbo
no, not really a segregation issue, unless you are referring to segregation by where you live and pay taxes.
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Male 2,388
meh she did good ten days in jail isn`t bad lets get on with our lives
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Male 10,338
@rukia:

Or she could move to a better school district, or she could pay the fee for her kids to cross district lines. Or she could do something pro-active to change the system from within.

Breaking laws is NEVER the answer.
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Male 10,338
@Wenn:

Okay. Let me put it this way.

Yes, most low income/poor parents wouldn`t drive their kids the extra distance to school. The reason is, there is no point.

Now if the schools were open districts as you say, then that would totally be thrown out the window.

Here`s an example. I live in Birmingham, Alabama. We have some piss poor schools, but we also have some really, really good ones. One of our good ones is the Mountain Brook City school system. Mountain Brook is directly adjacent to one of the worst school systems in the state, Birmingham City Schools. If our lawmakers just up and said "You can go wherever you want", Mountain Brook would be OVERRUN by EVERYONE living withing a 15 mile radius. Mountain Brook High School already has about 5,000 students. With all the kids from the south and east side of Birmingham flocking in, That`s probably about 20,000 EXTRA children or more. Think about it.
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Female 40
its not her fault that that school is crap and she has higher hopes for her kids. what a load of $h!t. maybe instead of putting her in jail they should fix their education problem. or just F off n die
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Male 901
Well, it`s a segregation issue, isn`t it? Putting poor children in poor schools is a great way to keep them in the ghettos.

And really. Jail?

The fact that colored people are more poor in America (like how middle-eastern people are more poor in Sweden) is another, also important, issue, which increases the likelihood of colored people being in these situations, but still an issue very unrelated to this one.
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Male 5
While the law is the law, I still entirely agree with her decision to do this. They claim that they lost tax money from her doing this, however, from this, it is assumed that she was poor, so really, how much money would she have actually added??? Not much. There is no reason someone should not be allowed to do this, districts should be open, as few families these days are willing to drive to take their kids farther from there home...OMG ten extra people in the district that shouldnt be...big whoop...if you want to solver poverty and low education, allow the few people who want to give their children a better life, the chance to. I went to one of the top rated wealthiest schools in the USA and I certainly agree with her decision to do this. I know how bad it is, since I went to a West Virginia school at one point too...what has the world come to...this woman did nothing wrong...kthxbye
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Male 176
Living in the wrong district? Is this how America decides which school a child is supposed to attend? Wow, news to me. Here in Australia ya send ya kids to whatever school ya want, public or private if ya got the money.
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Male 25,417
Thats just dumb...
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Male 40,293
[quote]In a sense she was stealing tax money.[/quote]
I totally agree @goaliejerry! (What? It`s happened before! lolz!)
[quote]So, actually, it IS a race issue...[/quote]
Well, that was quick!
NO! There are MORE poor white people in the USA than poor blacks. HEr house looks pretty nice to me, so she got broken into, boo hoo! I live in a rough neighborhood too, that`s life!

For all you bleeding hearts who think she should "Get Out Of Jail Free" just because she was "trying to help her kids" consider this:
She`s teaching her own children that lieing, cheating and stealing are OK! Nice? Not!

[quote]someone will say something thats literally nonsensical, like nick12684 below?[/quote]
Astute observation @goaliejerry, his post(s) struck me as bat-poo crazy as well.
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Male 10,440
[quote] Now the whole damn system is screwed up. [/quote]

Yep. Enjoy your screwed up system there.
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Female 582
@GosuPaul

This is also a poo education system issue.
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Male 311
TEN DAYS!? Dear god, someone get this woman a cup of soup and a warm blanket
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Male 325
So there you go... She committed fraud. she UNLIKE the others WHO PAID she decided she WASN`T gonna pay.. And the OTHERS PROVED they where not breaking the LAW.. BOO HOO pay the tuition like others or move in with your FATHER and let your kids go to the better school.. SHE BROKE THE LAW AND NOW SHE IS IN JAIL.. bottom line
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Male 516
"No, its a rich / poor issue. And black people are (demographically) more likely to be poor. So, actually, it IS a race issue..."

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise I have to add that since black people are demographically more likely to be poor and poor people are demographically more likely to lack degrees and people lacking degrees are demographically more likely to lack jobs and people lacking jobs are demographically more likely to be poor, it`s actually a rich/poor issue.
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Female 1,101
@goaliejerry

"The law is to prevent the non-resident student from diluting the rich-kids school`s money pool. You understand that, right?"

What`s wrong with "rich" people wanting to protect their kids education and give them the best? A lot of people bust their butts to give their kids the best and it`s not fair for those people to have to pay for 300 more non-resident students or to have less of an education for their own kids!

The whole thing is stupid. She had a bad lawyer. Why risk the felony charge? She did something illegal and she got caught. She should have just plead guilty. It shouldn`t have been some lawyers "civil rights" case to make him some money or a name.
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Male 17,512
jtrebowski: Before there were teachers unions and tenure, Our schools were a hell of a lot better.
The teachers unions started pushing a liberal curriculum instead of the tried and true methods of teaching, Now the whole damn system is screwed up.
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Male 787
Slanted title, slanted reporting, slanted everything. She committed fraud. Oh well.
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Male 161
I live in a village in a suburb of Milwaukee, we have the 220 program. Something I pay taxes for, and support. And mind you we have a nick name for the place, Whitefolks Bay, we bus in every day inner city kids (read black) and we are better for it. I learned a long time ago that racism is still rampant and is hard to cure. As a person I have found that as I meet more and more people, I can`t be racist, I hate everyone equally. If you are dumb you are dumb, if not don`t bug me.
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Female 803
What about the several college kids I personally know that moved in with their poor grandparents for 6 months so they can get way more financial aid than the kids that actually deserve it? One kid I know told me that his mom is an attorney and his dad is a police chief. Clearly they were making too much money for him to go to school for free.
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Male 10,338
@jerry:

No problem brutha. I love healthy, civil debate!

Also, congrats on 3200.

Democrat congress man. lol
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Male 4,014
"The true intent of the law is for kids to go to school where their parents money goes."

Yes, maybe we misunderstood each other.
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Male 4,014
"Who bailed out GM"

Well, actually, Bush did on his own....Link
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

The true intent of the law is for kids to go to school where their parents money goes.

I can`t speak on the "back door" intention.
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Male 307
Obviously pixiechick is one of those poor kids sneaking into the school district.
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Male 4,014
You`re fun Auburn, haven`t bull$hitted with you in awhile. I got to hit the hay, but stay conservative!
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Male 10,338
"selfish cons who lovingly approve of their taxes going towards corporate welfare"

Who bailed out GM and Citibank, among others with taxpayer dollars? Liberals (in congress). Conservatives said let them fail, capitalism at work, etc....

Who constantly blocks raising of property taxes to fund schools? Liberals. Conservatives want higher property taxes across the board to fund education, but liberals want to hand funding out through general funding bills.
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Male 29
really? is it the poor peoples fault for being poor? or is it the the system keeping everyone down that isn`t already poor!
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Male 4,014
"The law is to protect the poor, crappy school, and it`s wrong.

That being said, a law is a law."

Lol, you completely have it backwards. The poor, crappy school IS getting this woman`s tax dollars - it is in fact better off by her doing this as it has one less student and the same amount of money.

The law is to prevent the non-resident student from diluting the rich-kids school`s money pool. You understand that, right?
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Male 10,338
Stop scaring me Goaliejerry lol.

You are so right though.
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Male 4,014
"So you are saying all black people are poor?"

No, hence the qualifier "demographically." Yes, as a race, black people (more technically black "families") have a median income below white people.
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Male 3,369
CrakrJak: Closing schools isn`t the answer. As it is, because of a lack of funding, kids are being taught in portables, and teachers are having to buy supplies for underpriveleged kids using there own meager salaries. It`s amazing how cons point to unions when we both know that if it weren`t for them, teachers would make even less than they do now, and they wouldn`t have as much voice fighting stingy selfish cons who lovingly approve of their taxes going towards corporate welfare, but despise the idea of any of their taxes going to educate kids who don`t go their particular private school. Give me a freakin break.
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Male 4,014
Want to know whats crazy? You know how sometimes on these boards someone will say something thats literally nonsensical, like nick12684 below? Its sort of a strung together stream of irrational conciousness....

That recent Arizona shooter guy did that - he`d rant online about things like the gold standard and whatever - lots of incoherent things. And he was literally insane.

Honestly, we may confront literally insane people on the internet and not even realize how unstable and dangerous they are. Scary.
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Male 10,338
"And black people are (demographically) more likely to be poor. So, actually, it IS a race issue..."

So you are saying all black people are poor?

Do we even know if the school she was trying to get her kids in have any black kids in it. If it does, then no, it`s not a race issue.
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Male 10,338
Thanks for your opinion JT.

Got anything to add?
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Male 21
Well... thats a bunch of bull. I open enrolled into a bigger school from a tiny school district of about 80 kids, but that was in rural Iowa so no one cared. A public school hiring private investigators? Wasting money to keep your school reputation up... I feel sorry for this family...
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Male 4,014
"It`s not a drating race issue, Jesus Christ. Not everything bad that happens to black people happens because they`re drating black."

No, its a rich / poor issue. And black people are (demographically) more likely to be poor. So, actually, it IS a race issue...
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Male 3,369
@auburnjunkie: That is the most ignorant,asinine statement I have ever heard. There is no evidence to support your cynical viewpoint. It`s simply based on tired right-wing talking points, and takes into no account all the other factors into what makes up a posite educational experience, and what makes up a bad one.
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Male 4,014
Meh - she was convicted of FALSIFYING GOVERNMENT RECORDS, and the jury hung on the count of grand theft.

Property taxes pay for schools in most states. In a sense she was stealing tax money.

Now if you want to debate the problems of property tax based school systems - the reason rich kids have nice public schools and poor kids have horrible schools - thats another issue.

THIS WAS LIKE FAKING AN ILLNESS TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY. I would have convicted on grand theft.
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Male 10,338
We don`t want Yahoo Messenger Sweata.
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Male 213
I think the U.S. has a problem here. Surely poorer neighbourhoods need better schools...a system that ensures minimal funding for schools in poorer areas is inherently flawed. I suppose its the poor peoples fault for being poor.
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Male 10,338
"the other schools wouldnt suck if people just sacked up and payed a bit more taxes."

Money isn`t the problem. It`s the teachers.

If you notice, the good schools hardly ever have old, tenured teachers. They always get shipped off by the board to the poorer schools by the teachers unions to try to make those schools better, but the teachers realize "Hey. I`m tenured. These kids suck. I will just dick off and do the bare minimum, get a raise every year, and the board won`t do crap". The new, hot, fresh teachers who give a damn get to teach in the good schools. Then after 5-10 years, the cycle repeats itself.
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Male 3,745
Jak22 if we could PAY those taxes we wouldnt be trying to spend the gas money to get kids to other schools now would we...

my junior and senior year in highschool i had to get up at 4am with my mother, drive 8 miles, then stay awake for 3.5 hours so i wouldnt miss the buss...nobody wants to do that poo...
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Male 3,745
"HOLY poo, my spelling XD hahaha ignore all those errors, I was kinda pissed writing that lol..."

maybe that mother will be glad to know that even the "better" schools still dont teach poo to anybody...
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Female 838
DFWBrysco

Stick that book up you ass
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Male 154
this happens a ton in at my school. i go to a highschool that is ranked one of the best in the nation, so we get a ton of kids who lie to get in. the other schools wouldnt suck if people just sacked up and payed a bit more taxes. i actually think conservatives are trying to make america dumber.
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Female 386
HOLY poo, my spelling XD hahaha ignore all those errors, I was kinda pissed writing that lol...
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Female 386
I went to a nationally ranked high school in Georgia. There was one bus that drove all the way to Atlanta to pick up some kicks that went to my school that were out of the district and still has special rights to go to my school.... they would catch the bus at like 5am to get to school in time... There are legal ways around this, yes. But when all else fails, all mothers want success for their kids ya know... And I think that she had the right idea but the wrong approach.

I mean, as a poor person, even though I LIVED in the district, I was still harassed and talked about....
The parents said they didnt want their children mingling with, and I quote, "APARTMENT KIDS"... They built a new top notch high school (like, marble floors and golden railing top notch... it`s like a mansion inside it), then they arranged the district in a way that all the rich neighborhoods in the area went to it, while the "apartment kids" stayed at the old high school... poo lik
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Male 3,745
"And no, I don`t have strong feelings about this."

im not going to post your whole rage article because obviously you do...
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Female 54
And in five-ten years when her kids are going to the crappy school in her own district and possibly getting involved with the wrong type of crowd, then everyone is going to call her a bad mother for not controlling her kids if they get into trouble. I hope people think back to this attempt of hers to at least give her kids a fighting chance if they end up screwed up.
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Female 399
It`s not a drating race issue, Jesus Christ. Not everything bad that happens to black people happens because they`re drating black.
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Male 307
Throw the book at her.

This is crap - if I paid taxes in that district, I sure as hell wouldn`t want to have to pay for all the poor people to sneak their kids in.

She wants to give her kids a better education? Then work with her own school district to improve the conditions there. Hell, she is a teacher`s aide and only 12 credits away from being a teacher? Tutor the hell out of them so that they can get a scholarship to a private school.

This woman was wrong and needs to pay the price. She`s lucky she isn`t serving time *and* paying the debt.

And no, I don`t have strong feelings about this.
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Male 3,745
"If she was poor and white the race issue question would never be brought up."

if she was poor and white this would never have made the news /)_-

like i said earlier this barely even counts as news and i dont the any reason it needed to be posted here...this whole thing was a completely effective waste of time though...OHHH! IGIDDITNAOW THANKS IAB
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Male 10,338
"If i were a principle, the kids going to my school wouldnt bother me...im not losing money, im getting the same salary, and they are getting a better education."

The law is to protect the poor, crappy school, and it`s wrong.

That being said, a law is a law.
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Male 85
@auburnjunky if you dont understand. your fighting on the wrong side.
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Male 1,249
If she was poor and white the race issue question would never be brought up.
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Male 20
its not the time she`s spending, its how this iditment will ruin her career. I think its bull that she has all of these fines, they should have just expelled her children instead of making her pay all that money and then she fights it. She lives part time with her father, and she always sees her kids off at the school. If i were a principle, the kids going to my school wouldnt bother me...im not losing money, im getting the same salary, and they are getting a better education.
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Male 10,338
@nick:

Wait. What?

I don`t even.....
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Male 85
Yup i`ll take your money. and force you to do the things i feel is best for you. if you dont like it or do something different. we`ll rob you more, to pay for the tyranny of enforcement with the barrel of a gun and steel bars. i guess this though, is the will of society?
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Male 2,988
"Why they chose this particular young lady and no one else..."
"I think they wanted me to be an example"
"A hundred other families where investigated, 3 agreeed to stay and pay tuition, the other either proved they were residents of the district or admitted guilt. Only Bowler faught the district."

Theres your answer people. A dumbass cheats and then challenges the authority, damn right you will be called out and be made an example of. Want a better school district? drating move there. She could have moved in with her father (in the good district) instead of just pretending to.
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Male 2,402
@JUGGALETTExO
Welcome to my twisted mind.
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Male 40,293
Well, you `game the system` and lose, you goto jail, eh? 10 DAYS! ZOMG! How will she survive `inside` for that long?
She was `singled out` because she fought against the side that was right! Too bad for her, I hope they take her kids away, really I do. Perhaps they could go live with their Grandpa, then they could legally go to that school! Ironic eh? lolz!
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Male 97
Exactly. Maybe if our schools didn`t suck so bad in the first place there wouldn`t be any need for sending kids into neighbouring districts.
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Male 5
Only ten days? wow thats not even prison
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Male 612
good lord is the title of this post misleading.
this site is really getting obnoxious with mislabeled titles to cause forum drama!
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Male 10,338
"It wasn`t their father, it was hers. The grandfather of the kids."

Same thing. If the mom would have made sure that they caught the bus at his house, they (probably) wouldn`t have pried any farther.
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Female 1,380
@drprofessor she wasn`t punished for trying to do right by her kids, she was punished for falsifying documents.
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Male 17,512
jtrebowski: Failing schools need to be closed and new schools and teachers hired. Vouchers would ensure this would happen, it`s already being done in some areas and has been successful. The SEIU and NEA are holding schools hostage to their unions, It`s time for that to end.
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Male 2,796
A great example of `good initiative, bad judgment`.

I do, however, think this is indicative of our outright FAILURE as a nation to wrestle our public education system to the ground and get it under some drating control. (both fiscally and disciplinary) She shouldn`t have to make these decisions.
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Female 1,380
@handys003 lol how do you get monkey outta honey? lol
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Male 8,422
jib-"sure it`s illegal but what a-hole hunted her down from such a stupid charge?!"

A little background. That particular school system has a serious problem with out-of-district students. This lady was one of 30-40 families during a two-year period that were caught. The others paid-up and/or quit breaking the law. So she wasn`t singled out.

THIS lady was `speacial` and decided the rules didn`t apply. Bad decision.
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Male 240
OK, I want the names of the school board trustees, as I am a trustee, this is crap, and I will yell at them.
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Male 313
If she had just used his address, and taken them to their dad`s every morning to catch the bus, then none of this would have happened.

It wasn`t their father, it was hers. The grandfather of the kids.
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Male 625
Well kids, this is known as "spin".
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Female 1,743
How DARE she want a better education for her kids! OUTRAGE!
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Female 452
Breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of the intentions behind it.
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Male 10,338
"You punish her for trying to do right by her kids? We need more parents with her dedication."

What about poor moms who steal food and clothing for the family. Is that okay?

Nope. It`s a crime, just like this was. She could have found other ways around this one though. See my earlier posts.
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Female 192
I`m SO proud of my state...
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Male 10,338
"If her father pays the higher taxes for that area, can`t the kids go?"

No, because she has custody.

If she had just used his address, and taken them to their dad`s every morning to catch the bus, then none of this would have happened.
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Male 3,894
Furthermore... why would you do that? You find a parent that actually cares about their children`s future. One that doesn`t just ignore them and let them turn out wrong... and you punish her?

You punish her for trying to do right by her kids? We need more parents with her dedication.
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Female 160
If her father pays the higher taxes for that area, can`t the kids go?
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Male 3,894
Thoughts:
Is she really wearing an old timey black and white striped prisoner outfit?

"those dollars need to stay home with our students."
First off: schools are generally funded through property taxes. Her father lives within the district. Her father is paying "the right taxes" to fund her children. Now, all she would have to have done is given her father legal custody of the children, have them live with him, and they`d be able to legally attend the school. She still wouldn`t be paying those taxes, the district wouldn`t be getting any more revenue, and her kids would STILL GO THERE. But instead, she wanted to keep her children with her. Big deal.

Second: Up until around the Reagan administration, the US had a policy where funding from all the districts would be pooled, and then divided out based on which schools needed it the most. The money wouldn`t have "stayed at home with our students" and actively worked to prevent this kin
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Male 10,338
"What about kids who don`t have parents with enough guidance to give a crap about their kids education?"

If schools were giving out vouchers, then the crappy schools would work harder to get better, so they don`t lose their students/money from government.

In the end though, if the teachers unions would stop giving tenure contracts, then we could get some teachers in there that give a crap about educating the kids, and not getting a paycheck. Teachers should be given pay based on performance, not seniority.
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Male 3,327
PS: She isn`t jailed for sending her kids to a better school. She`s jailed for falsifying documents.
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Male 3,327
"Think it`s a race issue?"

No. She falsified documents and got caught. I`d say put her in jail regardless of her race.

Was what she did noble, and best for her kids? Probably, but she still broke the law.
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Male 10,338
She violated the law, and needs to serve her sentence.

She should either pay to send her kids to a different district, (here in Alabama it`s $1,000 a year or some such) OR move into that district somehow.

THAT BEING SAID I believe we need vouchers, so kids THAT DESERVE IT can go to better schools.
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Male 3,369
@CrakrJak: Vouchers sound good on the surface, but they do nothing to address the problems our public schools in poorer areas face. What about kids who don`t have parents with enough guidance to give a crap about their kids education?
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Male 776
"since nobody wants to go to the crap school, and better schools that actually perform are given more money because people actually WANT to go there."

which leads to the good schools getting extremely overcrowded due to the huge influx of students. There is no way to relieve the pressure though because the crappy schools end up being worse and worse since they don`t get money.

I wish more ppl in the 13-17 bracket didn`t try to solve all of the world`s problems with their stupid ideas.
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Male 10
The real crime is that there is that much difference in public schools in the same city.
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Male 3,745
"there`s nothing I can say that won`t get me banned.

zipping mouth.
turning key
throwing key over shoulder"

now i wanna know what you were gonna say D:
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Male 2,402
@JUGGALETTEx0

oops! Sorry HoneyPunch
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Male 314
sure it`s illegal but what a-hole hunted her down from such a stupid charge?!

It`s like hunting down for people who litter, it`s stupid
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Male 3,431
The fact that this is national news is going to cause a lot of people in Akron to lose a lot of sleep. I don`t know the whole scope of the story, but I`ll say that the school district is going to hear about this for a very *very* long time.
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Male 17,512
This is why we need to have school vouchers.
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2,767
cheating- yes
justified- no
deserves jail time- not really
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Female 1,380
@handys003 who the drat is monkeypunch?
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Male 64
School funding needs to be reformed. It is one of the last great bastions of racism.
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Female 1,101
She knew what she was doing was illegal and she took the risk anyway. Sucks that some schools are bad enough for her to feel like she had to do that. She shouldn`t have fought the school district though. She should have tried to settle out of court.
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Male 2,402
@MonkeyPunch

You heard of GWB`s "No Child left behind` program?
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Male 39,544
there`s nothing I can say that won`t get me banned.

zipping mouth.
turning key
throwing key over shoulder
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Male 3,745
misleading caption is misleading...

this barely even qualifies as news...
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Male 2,402
@Lionhart2

I doubt the kids are going to the better school. They are back in the original school district.
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Male 914
If she didn`t know any better and accidentally sent them to the wrong school, I could understand. However, she fought the rules and forged documents just because she thought her own kids were more important than other people`s kids. She deserves no sympathy.
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Female 124
I say we should do this: make public, private, and whatever other schools (art, magnet, schools for kids with disabilities, etc) all have a xyz number of dollar fee to enter, and that the government gives every kid a xyz dollar coupon thing to go to these schools, and that`s how the schools earn their money: by just having more students "pay" to go to their school. That way, crappy schools that have teachers who don`t actually do their jobs will get too little students to actually make money, since nobody wants to go to the crap school, and better schools that actually perform are given more money because people actually WANT to go there.
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Male 222
Only 10 days for fraud? And she was given the opportunity to do the right thing and pay up.
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Female 1,380
I really wish we could "like" comments on here.
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Male 3,842
The headline is so misleading. She got ten days in jail for falsifying residency documents. Her reasons for doing so are irrelevant.
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Male 8,302
4 years quality education instead of a crap one, for 10 days behind bars? Sounds like a bargain to me. Do 20 days lady, and they can go to University as well. I`d do it in a flash if I lived there.
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Female 1,380
Well it`s really not fair that her kids are so much better than everyone else`s and can have a better education that the people in the school in their district. I`m sure the parents of the other district want their kids to have a better education as well so if she can do it, it wouldn`t be fair to the others.
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Female 723
"Those dollars need to stay at home with out students." WTF!!! You hired a private investigator
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Male 288
Black women are so dramatic.
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Male 3,477
Her grandmother hated the idea of bussing.
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Male 2,229
Looks a lot like population control to me.
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Male 20,826
Link: Ohio Mom Jailed for Sending Kids To Better School [Rate Link] - An Ohio mom`s attempt to provide her daughters with a better education has landed her in jail. Think it`s a race issue?
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