Navy Captain Busted For Videos He Made, Bad Taste?

Submitted by: madest 6 years ago in

Videos include anti-gay slurs and women showering together. Should he be fired or is this the military we need, I-A-B?
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Female 192
another reason my boyfriend needs to join the usaf, not the drating navy
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Male 1,744
a) why the F*CK is this in the games category
b) their sailors, why the hell do they bother to bleep out the F-bomb, seriously?
c) iono why this guy would come under fire, he`s attempting comedy, no big deal, laugh or don`t laugh, shuttup and quit being offended
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Male 11,740
OK madest, how in the name of drating sanity can this be categorized as a game??? Seriously, W T F ?????????
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Male 12,365
MattPrince:

There were Africans living just fine in Britain at least 2000 years ago, which is long before double glazing. No doubt they complained about the winters, but everyone here does that.

My argument is essentially that the slight tendencies towards differences between some groups aren`t enough to warrant seperate classification, especially as they are smaller than the variation between individuals within each group.

Even if they were, classifying people by laughably inaccurate descriptions of skin colour would still be irrational babbling.
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Male 405
What the hell happened in the comments here?
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Male 2,220
Angillion..

1) Any difference is significant as a survival trait. A 1mm change in length of a finches bill is significant. So I argue a small difference would be significant to our history, but not to our present (not since double glazing anyhow)

2) No agreed, I`d be surprised if someone with long ancestry from Greece was as comfortable with low temperatures as someone with long term ancestry from the Northern Cape of South Africa.

iii) and iv) Both No. However, I do suspect some political correctness has crept in here. In birds a subspecies can not be defined by a single characteristic. Usually its defined by a suite of characteristics many of which will overlap to some extent at the boundaries of population.

The "official" take on it is - one subspecies, one `race`.

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Male 551
[quote]iv) That cold response is such a defining feature of a person that people should be classified by their cold response and it should be considered to describe who they are.[/quote] You are taking just 1 characteristic and trying to get us thinking that that`s what it takes to define a group, or race, you haven`t taken ANYTHING else and that`s what we have to do... Study the generality and not just particular characteristics. Let alone the background to those characteristics

[quote]Unless you believe all 4, then you don`t believe cold response is a race.[/quote]
Says who? You? I don`t have to believe all 4 of those arbitrary statements you just gave as if they were irrefutable, god-given or even consistent.
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Male 551
[quote]ii) That this is true for ALL Africans and ALL Europeans.[/quote] I just explained that on the other post.

[quote]iii) That the difference is greater than differences in cold response between different Africans and different Britons[/quote] Again, I explained it... There are less differences between African people to cold weather, or Briton people to that same conditions, that between each other group. You could find variances, but that`s just the way evolution and adaptations works, read a little and try to understand it.

You can have an African and a Briton with similar weather responses, depending on how and where their ancestors lived, but you will find more similarities among their own "races" than between each other. Taking into account what I mentioned about generations before these two were even born and had their genes passed on
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Male 551
I`ll answer this too:
[quote]Can you prove all of the following? Do you even believe them all? If you don`t, then you`ve negated your own point.[/quote] That`s not necessarily true just because you say so and can`t think something better to disprove a point

[quote]i) There is a significant difference in average cold response between an African and a Briton? [/quote]Yes, between a white Briton that has generations living in a cold weather and an African that has generations behind him living in warm weather, there is a significant difference. What you can`t even try to understand is that if the African is the 5th generation living in a cold weather, there will be small changes that would make him a little more resistant to cold weather. Without even talking about how the skin color has pros and cons confronting that same situation of cold and warm weathers, and also muscle/fat proportions
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Male 551
...accept that you could be wrong and think different
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Male 551
[quote]Thank you for making it so obvious that you`re talking rubbish. It saves me having to waste my time reading your posts.

Shame if you had any points.[/quote]
Actually, that sentence you are referring to isn`t wrong, but most importantly it has nothing
to do with my point, that I`m sure you read, you just didn`t like the fact that I said that

If you can`t answer to the points I made then say so, don`t just blame it on something that you
took personal, and was meant to be that way anyway, but that doesn`t disprove my point

Shame you can`t argue with anybody, you just want to come here and dictate what ever the hell
you want to say and don`t even considerate that other people might be right and you could learn
something, if you think of yourself as an intelligent person (Which by your arrogance I think you do)
then you would take what people say into account and, if that was the case, accept that you could
be wrong and think di
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Female 3,598
god drat realtime player bullpoo stupid GAH!!! WHY DON`T YOU JUST dratING LOAD ALREADY!!!
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Male 12,365
[quote]@Angillion - I`d be surprised if there isn`t quite marked differences in cold response between you and a native African. More than that between you and I. Does that make me a racist?[/quote]

Can you prove all of the following? Do you even believe them all? If you don`t, then you`ve negated your own point.

i) There is a significant difference in average cold response between an African and a Briton?

ii) That this is true for ALL Africans and ALL Europeans.

iii) That the difference is greater than differences in cold response between different Africans and different Britons.

iv) That cold response is such a defining feature of a person that people should be classified by their cold response and it should be considered to describe who they are.

Unless you believe all 4, then you don`t believe cold response is a race.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Can`t really say I`m surprised, finding a post on IAB that doesn`t have a single comment from you is really hard[/quote]

Thank you for making it so obvious that you`re talking rubbish. It saves me having to waste my time reading your posts.

Shame if you had any points.
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Male 551
@MattPrince
Yeah, that was kinda my point, Thanks for the concept
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Male 2,593
this guys just annoying
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Male 1,360
he`s gay
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Male 25,416
meh...
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Male 2,220
@iceblack - you could do with knowing the difference between race and species, races of a species can freely interbreed, species cannot (using the simplest species definition).

@Angillion - I`d be surprised if there isn`t quite marked differences in cold response between you and a native African. More than that between you and I. Does that make me a racist?

As for learned behaviour, such as driving - don`t think race has anything to do with it.

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Male 7,378
[quote]@Angilion In other words, you drink the koolaid as well.[/quote]
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You`re implying that he`s pretending not to be racist like you?
We all fall into a trap when we use racist or homophobic slogans or words because we`re not condemning one person you`re labeling an entire swath of people who you had no beef with in the first place. That guy that you`re calling a faggot may just be the guy you need to save your heterosexual ass one day. This XO will lose command of The Enterprise but I don`t think he should be kicked out of the military. Perhaps a few classes on how to be mature would be in order.
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Male 551
[quote]In other words, race doesn`t exist[/quote]
Biologically... Well, there are two things here.
If we were entirely different races we wouldn`t be able to procreate between groups. But there`s a different
concept of "race" that defines each race as being different from each other but still being able to procreate,
such as some dogs for example.

Now... Culturally, no doubt there are, and they all have psychical and psychological differences
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Male 551
[quote]Since the differences between individuals within each group are so very much larger than the very small tendencies towards differences between the groups, it does not make sense to treat those groups as defining characteristics of people.[/quote]
I agree that those characteristics aren`t defining, but those characteristics have a huge role on how
people act and think about specific situations, people from different ethnics have different abilities and tendencies.

[quote]It`s arguably wrong to treat those groups as being groups at all, let alone groups that define everyone.[/quote]
As groups it isn`t wrong. Defining everybody because of their group, partly, individuals can be a little different, but
they have their ancestors` genes, common behavior becomes a genetic characteristic when it`s being reproduced for enough generations
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Male 551
[quote]Unsurprisingly, I can argue with that and I do.[/quote]
Can`t really say I`m surprised, finding a post on IAB that doesn`t have a single comment from you is really hard

[quote]There are some minor tendencies towards differences in certain groups of people[/quote]
Agree, I never actually said there were huge differences, did I?

[quote]but they are far smaller than the differences between individuals within those groups. I`m not talking about
socialised differences here, but actual differences.[/quote]
Such as? Any difference that is not psychical is a "socialized" difference, innate or not, still social
and developed through specific conditions those people had to live in. You might want to read something
about "Historical particularism", mainly exposed by Franz Boas
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Male 69
It`s called satire folks...get over it. You can`t please everyone, and I`d say that if it`s been 4 years since these were made, and there are only now complaints coming out, someone has an agenda. It`s easy to sit at home and point fingers from your lounge chair with your high-speed internet and unlimited TV channels, but until you have actually been on a months long deployment with not much to do but eat, work, and sleep your opinion means nothing to me. It can get very monotonous, and you have to be creative in your entertainment or you will go nuts.
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Male 1
I was on board the Enterprise while Capt Honors was XO. And I have to say, the productions he made were great. After working 12+ hours a day (and I had A/C at least) in 100+ degree heat, it was nice to watch something new and funny. Just like an episode that you had never watched before, it was something unique and different.

Crew morale was high because of these videos, and for the most part, a lot of us enjoyed them. The warnings at the beginning told you to leave if you didn`t want to watch since you could be offended. Obviously, a few were disgruntled because they couldn`t make a choice.

As usual, the media took its on slanted, biased look at it and played the "most offensive" video. The others that have been posted show Capt Honors as a fun guy who made light of a stressful situation. My theory on why these videos were brought out 4 YEARS after they were made was due to someone not liking Honors or someone not wanting to go on cruise.
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Male 99
@Angilion In other words, you drink the koolaid as well.
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Male 12,365
[quote]You can`t argue with that, c`mon. A black, white, yellow or brown person
don`t act very much alike the others, there are innate differences, and
that`s not a bad thing, is just the way it is.[/quote]

Unsurprisingly, I can argue with that and I do.

There are some minor tendencies towards differences in certain groups of people, but they are far smaller than the differences between individuals within those groups. I`m not talking about socialised differences here, but actual differences.

Since the differences between individuals within each group are so very much larger than the very small tendencies towards differences between the groups, it does not make sense to treat those groups as defining characteristics of people. It`s arguably wrong to treat those groups as being groups at all, let alone groups that define everyone.

In other words, race doesn`t exist.
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Male 602
I`m torn on this one. He obviously knew that what he was doing was risky enough that he had to absolve the captain of any culpability.

But these guys are working under incredible conditions. 6000 people working in an iron box in the middle of the endless ocean, months at a time, in some of the most dangerous jobs that you can have. (Night carrier flight operations by themselves induce more stress than actual combat to the pilot).

If these people aren`t adult enough to hear the same kind of jokes that you hear on TV all the time, or in popular movies and online, then they need to grow the hell up. It is pretty clear that he knows it is risky, and has warned people of that. It connects with his sailors, and grants visibility of leadership, which will translate well in combat.

If he is just making jokes, big deal. Come find me if you find him actually treating his subordinates based on their whatever.
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Female 1,515
Meh. It`s supposed to be a comedic video I`m assuming? As long as they`re not treating anyone improperly or not performing their job to expectations I don`t see why this should affect their job security.
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Male 551
@Gerry1of1

Agree with you entirely, I`m sick of the politically correctness
we have to live in, and it`s even bigger and more hypocritical among
people in my career.

But that aside. I do think that we all have certain psychical and
psychological qualities that makes us different from other people,
and not in an individual way, but as a whole, as skin color or ethnic.

You can`t argue with that, c`mon. A black, white, yellow or brown person
don`t act very much alike the others, there are innate differences, and
that`s not a bad thing, is just the way it is.
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Female 336
"...is this the military we need, I-A-B?"

It`s the military we`ve got and have had for many years!
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Male 2,422
These kinds of shows have been embedded in Navy culture for years and the mainstream only notices in times of institutional policy changes. For instance, during the 80s it was about how they depicted women because women were just then starting to enter the Navy in force and flying combat aircraft. Today, the focus is on the homosexual aspect because of the recent dismantling of DADT.
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Male 1,627
XO? hugs and kisses?
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Male 7,378
[quote]Then explain why Asians can`t drive?[/quote]
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Not all stereotypes are racist. There are whites blacks and Canadians who can`t drive.
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Male 2,402
Meh. This kind of talk is frequent in the Armed Forces. PC is only when your a subordinate addressing a superior officer. Mentally though your cussing him out. Most try to break the monotony of the SOP and interject their humor as crude as it may be.. Even Officers get bored. If you get upset at this lifestyle then don`t enlist. One day that captain may be the USCINCPAC.
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Male 98
I have the identical Parrot
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Male 79
fake
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Male 191
well, that was long and otherwise stupid
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Male 38,481
Angilion: [quote]Race doesn`t even exist. It`s insanely ludicrous to define and judge people by obviously inaccurate descriptions of the colour of their skin.[/quote]

Then explain why Asians can`t drive?

Seriously... I am a racist. I think there are differances in the races... NOT making one better than another, just differances. If not, explain the NFL roster.

I say enjoy the differances! Have a good laugh. But don`t take yourself so seriously. God knows we don`t take you serious.
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Male 12,365
[quote]white people...as much as you think you should be allowed to make as much fun of other groups as you want...it really isnt okay.

google white privilege...read the article..no no, read it before you get your over privileged panties in a bunch, then try to understand what it means to be made fun of all the time...everyday. every hour by the majority culture. [/quote]

I`m going to offend you now:

I don`t give a damn about your racist hypocrisy. Since I have no respect for you (or other racist burblers), I`m not going to feel ashamed because you think my skin`s the wrong colour.

We have something in common, though:

You view me as inferior because of your silly ideas about race.

I view you as inferior because of your silly ideas about race.

Race doesn`t even exist. It`s insanely ludicrous to define and judge people by obviously inaccurate descriptions of the colour of their skin. Seriously, it`s so irrational that it
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Male 229
lol heres an idea, maybe these videos wernt spos to hit the civilian streets. It looks like it was made just for his crew on the ship to boost moral. Seems everyone in the video enjoyed it... and not everyone was white either.
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Male 96
Wow, I didn`t see anything wrong with this video. At times they made a gay joke, so what of it. Obviously it wasn`t hate filled because they were using themselves as the subjects. It all seemed like something to lighten the mood in a stress filled environment.

@jamie76
Holy poo, settle down. I cant stand your hateful stereotyping of us white people. Stop making fun of us because some white people are idiotic bigots. My over-privileged panties have bunched up (must be because I did not read the white privilege article). And I am sure that every hour of every day a white person is pooting in your salad at the restaurant and making sweeping generalizations about you, or making your life miserable in some other racist hate filled way.
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Male 1
Spineless Navy NCO`s sitting around with their thumbs in their asses while the officers act like stupid kids
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Male 551
Am I the only one that thinks these three guys here
must have the GREATEST threesome ever? I mean, look
at their faces and body language around each other

Believe me, nothing straight going on with them
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Male 1,540
Since he`s in uniform while he`s in the videos, he represents the Navy, so therefor they`re going to bring down the banhammer on him.

However, from a personal stand point, he made a mistake with the video and no real harm was done because of it. I don`t think he should have any serious form of punishment. Not near as bad as he`s going to get it. Also, from a civilian stand point, nobody should be freaking out about it since there`s this funny little thing called freedom of speech and that right shouldn`t be infringed upon just because it`s generally disagreed with.
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Male 7,378
[quote]So... an officer having a sense of humor and playing on the Navy`s stereotype of gay sailors is worth a court martial?[/quote]
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Don`t be an ass. It is possible to have a sense of humor without making fun of people. Look we dropped the N-word and before that we dropped the jokes.
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Male 253
Sure, squid are a goofy lot, but fired? He`s in touch with his shipmates.
Some here are confused about what is company time versus personal time. Just because he`s on a boat 24/7 for six months straight doesn`t mean he can`t have an hour or two of his own to squeeze in a little foolishness.
So, if you haven`t served in the military, or don`t have the fortitude to do so, STFU.
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Male 770
Being offended seems to have become a cottage industry in this country. all you have to do is pick something to be offended at and sue over it. Its a phukin gold mine. Have you ever worked in a place where the rules of political correctness were continuously enforced? I did for about six months. Employee morale was dead zero. No one wanted to go to the bar after work just for the hell of it. Absenteeism was rampant. there was someone fired at least once a month for some stupid thing no one but the PC Police cared about. Add to that one person quitting per month just because they could not stand the place any more. I hit a point where the choice between putting a gun in my mouth and pulling the trigger or going to work in the morning was a very difficult choice to make.

Personally I thought that video was halarious. And I bet crew morale was pretty good after watching it too.
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Male 15,510
Well what else could you expect
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Male 2,345
white people...as much as you think you should be allowed to make as much fun of other groups as you want...it really isnt okay.

google white privilege...read the article..no no, read it before you get your over privileged panties in a bunch, then try to understand what it means to be made fun of all the time...everyday. every hour by the majority culture.

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Female 2,525
Meh. I can do without the gay slurs, but other than that it seems like just a bunch of bored soldiers with a childish sense of humor. Not a big deal. They`ve got to entertain themselves somehow.
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Male 114
Well, I most certainly couldn`t sit through the entire video as it was just characteristically stupid and silly. However, I would like to say that these guys are on-the-job (uniformed and representing) playing howard stern on company time. I`m curious as to why these guys thought it`d be ok to do this while in uniform. I guess they only look at picture (magazines) and can`t read. I guess I`d be ok knowing if this was for internal use as a distraction of the stress surrounding their deployment (eg: Good Morning Vietanm) but I`d not be one to tune in. But publicly, seems just wrong. There needs to be disclaimers, they should be dressed like clowns (not in uniform).


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Male 1,548
So... an officer having a sense of humor and playing on the Navy`s stereotype of gay sailors is worth a court martial? Just because homosexuality recently became ok to the general American populace doesn`t mean we should retroactively go after people who make fun of it in honest jest. Next thing you know, making fun of gays will be like making fun of Muhammad.
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Male 5,194
Was that Glenn Close?
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Male 426
it`s just annoying. that`s all it is.
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Male 37
Looks like business as usual in the US military. Those are your tax dollars hard at work, America.
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Male 37,783
_W_ nothing here to get court-martialed over, it`s supposed to be zany and irreverant, eh?
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Male 2,388
i want to loin the navy :)
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Male 7,378
I think if you`re a seamen you need to go overboard to prove you`re not a homosexual.
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Male 42
Absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just a bunch of guys having fun on there time off. I can think of a lot of worse things they could be doing...
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Male 96
IMHO, it may have been a little insensitive to potential LGBT folks under his command, but there was very little vitriol to the tongue-in-cheek gay slurs(it seemed as if it was almost a send-up of machismo the way his alter-egos fought about it) and the shower shots were obviously consenting. If this is the worst of it, maybe teach him a few different, but equally racy tropes to use in place of gay slurs now and then, but otherwise, I see an XO doing a lot of work to reach out to men and women under his command, whereas, some wouldn`t even try. I`d say, it`s a good impulse, maybe just slightly poorly executed.
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Male 5,413
I thought it was funny XD
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Male 10,339
"respect and good moral are very important to both troops and their leadership."

^this

The video was not of them acting in the line of duty. This is definitely one of those "If you don`t like it, don`t watch it" type things.
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Male 594
lol wow

Too long on a boat I`d say.
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Male 138
I am going to have to watch his videos now, they look awesome.
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Male 2,050
20 minutes? no thanks.
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Male 34
commanders who have fun with their troops get the most respect, and those troops tend to have the highest moral. respect and good moral are very important to both troops and their leadership. HOOYAH!
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Female 307
If he`s easily replacable and not a genius at it, yeah, fire him.. But he should get punished some way, if not.
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Male 7,378
Link: Navy Captain Busted For Videos He Made, Bad Taste? [Rate Link] - Videos include anti-gay slurs and women showering together. Should he be fired or is this the military we need, I-A-B?
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