NASA`s Hubble Finds Most Distant Galaxy Ever

Submitted by: canusuck 6 years ago in Science
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/farthest-galaxy.html

Prepare to be humbled, this fact may contradict the 6,000 year-old universe creationists hold so dear....
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Female 570
this doesnt contradict religious people. theyll just tell you god did it to test their faith.
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Male 10,338
Oh and, hardliners at my church (there are very few) think that the whole "Light from x takes x long to reach us so the universe is x years old" is hogwash.

I just facepalm them and go my merry way. They are usually old.
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Male 10,338
@hobomoe:

I agree. They say our universe will end once it has expanded to a size larger than its capable mass. They call it "The Big Rip". Who`s to say that didn`t happen with a much much smaller universe resulting in our "Big Bang"?
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Male 515
@ auburnjunky
I`ve always wondered what their response would be when you tell them that these light waves took 10 millions years to reach us, and show them the simple math to prove how far the planet is and how fast light travels. I always feel like its such a simple disproving of the 6000 year thing.

Also in recent development, They think that the what preceded the universe was actually another universe. Eventually our universe will stop expanding(its actually decelerating in its increase by some estimates) and will slowly cave back into itself creating essentially big bang conditions.
I wish I had the book near me for names and references for this. but It all came from the book "The Science of Doctor Who".
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Male 15,510
Fascinating, this kind of things shows us we are practically cave man still, Cave man with computers
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Male 2,669
So much ignorance on the part of religious people. You lot should really read what we call a `book` sometime. It can be a very rewarding experience.
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Male 1,547
@quick1dunkno
I actually have my Astronomy 101 textbook right here and it says "Scientists do not know what preceded the Big Bang, or whether such a concept as `before` is even valid." - [quote]The Cosmic Perspective Sixth edition, Pearson[/quote]
My guess is that you are confusing the Big Bang, which is the start of the universe, with the Accretion Model of Stellar Formation, which explains how the Solar system formed. The latter is indeed a collapse of gasses.
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Male 1,360
@quickonedunkno, so we come from god`s fart?
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Male 10,338
I think the Christians who think Earth is 6,000 years old are just there for comic relief.
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Male 99
@Wariaman

no mate.. god was not created god has always been and always will be god.. theres no begining or end to god..
check up your high school textbooks.. acording to big bang it was all gases before.. so there WAS something present.. otherwise how did it explode? and even if there was nothing what caused it to explode.. infact how can nothing explode and produce matter.. your not making sense :/
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Male 2,034
"Jesus drating Christ. Leave it to IAB to turn a scientific finding into a relgion flame war. It is so old."

Leave it to IAB to plant the seeds for a religious flame war in the link`s caption...
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Male 146
Jesus drating Christ. Leave it to IAB to turn a scientific finding into a relgion flame war. It is so old.
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Male 1,547
@lilbroder cont...
As for pantheism, especially Spinozan pantheism, it follows scientific materialism. The only difference is the word used for the laws of the universe. If you want to avoid cutting out semantics, then this can of Sprite I`m drinking is God.
The whole point of words is to convey information based on the mutual understanding of their definition. The problem with pantheism is that it chooses instead to try to preserve the word by changing the definition. All it does is allow intellectually dishonest people to take advantage of equivocation fallacies to lie.

If you are seriously that butthurt about being called on your bullsh*t as to call it an "insult", then you probably don`t belong on the internet.
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Male 1,547
@lilbroder
I never said that you don`t understand those concepts because you are religious. You made the claim that they imply "intelligent design". I told you that you are wrong in saying that, which implies that you don`t understand them.
Further proof is your invocation of chaos theory when it isn`t even relevant.
Special relativity does nothing but set light as the standard of measurement for physics. That`s all it needs to do. Quantum Mechanics is more difficult, but is also nothing more than a model for understanding natural behaviors.

As for you being a "nuclear engineer", you must be lying about either that or your age. This isn`t Youtube where you can get away with making up credentials.

You are free to sort out your own cognitive dissonance with religion and science, just make sure you know what you`re talking about and don`t lie about things. There are people out there that do know and you`ll get called out on it.
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Male 5,194
Every science discovery = Religious argument somewhere on the internet.
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Male 54
hmmmm....What?
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Male 86
@Volsunga .... Bitch
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Male 86
@Volsunga I`m attempting to put it into layman`s term. I understand Einstein was using it as a poetic vice, but i`m just attempting to convey the idea that its not impossible for there to be a god or what have you. I actually tend to lean towards pantheism myself.

You cannot say that Pantheism is nearly atheism! The only similarity that the two have is that they don`t follow the traditional "supreme being" doctrine. But it most definitely is a religious philosophy, you can not cut semantics out of that, not even for the sake of argument.

As for my knowledge of special relativity, chaos theory and quantum mechanics, how dare you say I don`t understand them because I have a religious view. I`m actually quite proficient at the use of them, I have to be considering I`m a Nuclear Engineer.

You obviously did not read what I was saying and just want to argue just for the sake of argument. Please don`t insult me, especially if you don`t even know what you
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Male 1,547
@lilbroder
The idea for the theory is credited to a Catholic priest who dabbled in physics. What he did wasn`t that impressive, he just took the observation that the universe is expanding and concluded that if it was always expanding, it had to, at some point, been a singularity. No theological implications at all. Modern physicists actually work out how the big bang worked and it`s been shown to be following natural laws. When you have a creator god, this makes him unnecessary.
Einstein was a Spinozan Pantheist. Basically, he used the word "god" as a poetic metaphor for the natural laws of the universe. Cut out the semantics and he is no different from an atheist.

You obviously don`t understand special relativity, chaos theory or quantum mechanics because they actually imply just the opposite.

Saying there is a "why" implies intent without a good reason to do so. Just because a question is grammatically correct doesn`t mean it makes sense.
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Male 1,547
@kpres
That`s because the only reason people become "professional philosophers" is because they reject Scientific Materialism (scientists are not philosophical "realists", Realism implies a subjective view of the universe). If they accepted it, then they would be morally obligated to be scientists and not philosophers. Your data sample is biased.

@keith2
The answer has been found. There are a few details left that we don`t understand with the Big Bang, such as what the causal factor for gravity was (kind of a paradox because time itself is a function of gravity and causation is a function of time), but the data and math answers almost everything. The problem is that you can`t really explain the concepts involved in English, you have to understand the mathematics of it. Because of this, we try to make loose analogies that too often get misinterpreted by laymen.
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Male 86
@Kpres you`re making a giant assumption about the entire scientific community. Some of the most well respected physicist, the ones who come up with the big bang theory, believe in god. Even Albert Einstein said "God doesn`t play dice". Once you truly understand quantum mechanics, special relativity, and chaos theory it becomes apparent that it isnt out of the relm that there could be such thing as "intelligent design".

And anyways science just explains the "how", it doesn`t always explain the "why". That will always be up to interpretation. Personally I tend to think people who base there atheism off scientific reasoning are in-fact truly ignorant about what science actually says and just jumping on the atheist band wagon. You need to go learn stuff for yourself, don`t value anyones word with to much weight. Thats how you get yourself into trouble.
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Male 86
Thats freaking awesome! I learned about this in physics. The reason why the cluster of blue stars looks red is because the galaxy is moving away from us at a certain velocity. This slows the frequency of the light, and they can measure its velocity assuming the light is given off iat general constant. Its essentially the Doppler effect applied to light, its called Red Phase Shift.

@Kpres
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Male 116
As God chuckles and looks down on us he thinks, I call it a work week and they call it the big bang!
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Male 50
@Kpress, I read through your comment and found it to be nonsense. The scientific mind finds the religious world unintelligible because it requires a jump into the imaginary that can never be made. We don`t care about all the other useless junk, we only care about what is provable, and as a such the only thing that is provable is the real things. We can only prove what exist and unfortunately god and all other skybosses fall into the group of unprovable, and logically these can not exist. If however circumstances change this opinion will have to change, this is the major difference between science and religion, science has to change based on evidence, religion has never made that pretence.

@ukulelemike, SI units exist for a reason... and I`m pretty sure that in the absense of a "bajillion" unit, the light year will do perfectly
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Male 34
@Quick1dunkno Theres something you should understand, Matter is another form of energy, energy and time created when the big bang occured, so the stuff that we see today didnt exist before the big bang, saying that its impossible to understand big bang without belief in god is stupid cuz im guessing that your saying that God is the one who created the big bang, then what your sayign (which got no proof or even a theory with research) is true, then who created god? its a circle that wont end cuz at this moment, we do not know how time and energy came into existence...

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Male 2,591
linkage phailure. anyway i can`t help but throw my 2 cents into yall lil big bang conversation. just let it be for now. let it remain a mystery until the answer is really found. stop trying to tag god or strange physics to it because we don`t know the answer. forget "ohh it must be this, or that" why make assumptions about something like that?
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Male 309
"If God is necessary to understand the Big Bang, then why are all the cosmological physicists and quantum physicists who understand it better than any other human being atheists, or at the most, pantheists?"


Scientists, almost by definition, are Material Realists. That means that Material Realism is the epistemology they subscribe to. The reason for this is because Material Realism is the only metaphysical theory under which the idea of scientific truth is possible. However, this leads to scientists making certain assumptions (mainly, that the universe is knowable and objective) which are not at all consensus positions among professional philosophers.

My point is that the question of God is not something that scientists, as a consequence of their chosen trade, have any particular special knowledge about. In fact, they assume away the idea of God before they even get started. They have to.
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Male 1,547
@quick1dunkno
Please take a physics class. You don`t understand what the Big Bang theory actually says. You are trying to apply Newtonian physics to an event where you need to understand special relativity and a good deal of quantum mechanics to describe.

If God is necessary to understand the Big Bang, then why are all the cosmological physicists and quantum physicists who understand it better than any other human being atheists, or at the most, pantheists?
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Male 309
".. there was no `before` because with the big bang not only the universe came into existence but time itself."

This is correct. Beyond the Plank length, the laws of physics break down. Concepts like "matter", "energy" and "time" no longer have any meaning. It`s simply a mystery at this point.
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Male 371
Another win for the trolls. All they have to do is mention creationist/religion in the OP and you all run like goddamn lemmings off a freaking cliff. The OP`s handle is "canusuck" for christsake! How can you all keep falling for this?
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Male 205
@quick1dunkno: "
there WAS something there before big bang..
according to big bang theory "

.. there was no `before` because with the big bang not only the universe came into existence but time itself.
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Male 309
(continued from below...)

Just because the idea of God seems obscure and unscientific, doesn`t mean it`s false. There`s possibly an infinite amount of knowledge out there that scientists don`t know, and even small pieces can have profound effects. In the 19th century, physicists believed they`d pretty much figured out the whole world. There was just this one little problem with Newtonian Mechanics. How does gravity act at a distance? Scientists didn`t know, but they thought they`d figure it out soon enough, and everything would be wrapped up.

Then along comes Einstein, who explained it. But the effects of that explanation were profound. All of the sudden, our whole view of the universe was turned upside down. All of the sudden, something as absurd as time travel was possible.

If you could go back in time and tell a physicist of that era that time travel was a reality, he`d scoff at you as some superstitous quack, much like we scoff at religious people
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Male 309
"Anything is possible. But if matter exists in a "new form we ... could aptly call "God"? ", you`re suggesting that God comes after us? "

Nah, I just misquoted you. Unfortunately no edit button on I-A-B. You`re point was that some "substance" always exists in some form or another. I don`t disagree. Since we know that time is relative, talking about this underlying substance in terms of "before", "after", "eternity", etc is ultimately senseless. My point is, it`s possible that one day we`ll find out something about this underlying substance which could lead, for all intents and purposes, to calling it God.

(continued above...)
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Male 39,958
KPres - [quote]therein lies the rub. "In one form or another." How do you know that the new form we discover won`t be something we`d could aptly call "God"? [/quote]

Anything is possible. But if matter exists in a "new form we ... could aptly call "God"? ", you`re suggesting that God comes after us?

Reverse Creationism. Interesting theory. We should teach that in schools.
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Male 309
"It will be here in the future. {in one form or another} "


Yeah, but therein lies the rub. "In one form or another." How do you know that the new form we discover won`t be something we`d could aptly call "God"?

Granted, it won`t be the Grey Haired Guy In the Sky, but that`s just imagery, and isn`t central to any definition of God.
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Male 5,194
Want to know what`s REALLY weird? Since the universe expanded outward from a point, the light from that galaxy took 13.2 billion years to travel just a fraction of an inch to the detector.
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Male 39,958
quick1dunkno - [quote] its impossible to understand big bang without belief in god.[/quote]

WOW! I am doing the impossible!

Look at me everybody! I`m superhuman!

seriously, OF COURSE the stuff was there before it went POP!... It`d be "miraculous" if it wasn`t there before the big bang and just spontaneously came into existance. But that`s not the case.

It was there then.
It is here now.
It will be here in the future. {in one form or another}

Now let`s all join hands and sing `The Circle of Life`.
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Male 99
@zlatan

there WAS something there before big bang..
according to big bang theory all these gases were already in this universe till they collapsed or sumthing due to gravity inbetween them and then it exploded and expanded the universe.. its impossible to understand big bang without belief in god..
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Male 99
@DamienLike

your comment was a boom headshot payback avenger afterlife buzz kill multi kill double kill and a dratin tactical nuke to your own brain/intelligence...
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Male 99
@Volsunga

umad? ofcoruse there was gas and other elements there .. just roaming around minding its own business.. that is according to big bang theory.. otherwise you are implying that there was 0 matter.. and sumhow this 0 matter exploded and produced the known gases / elemenets in this universe... so there WAS a before the big bang..
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Male 705
Boom! Headshoot to religion.
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Male 2,332
I guess that was quite...`hubbling`? Ohohohoh

TY
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Male 12,138
[quote](After Big Bang)
i stopped reading after that. the big bang is the (Science)way of describing Religion. so everything was nothing, till it exploded and became something. ok im going to go out back and use a stick of dynamite to create a scientist who knows wtf he is talkin about[/quote]
Funky thing is (as a professional scientist) I read your comment which you typed on your keyboard, which was then coded into photons, which travelled down fibre-optic cables at the speed of light, to be decrypted on my end through my liquid crystal display screen, on my laptop.

Dude, just cause you don`t understand it doesn`t make it less real. I`m sure early humans didn`t understand why the sun rose in the east each day.
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Male 359
Super cool thread. Not sure why the cheap shot a Christians though. Dosnt that ever get old? Look, I dont know if there is a God but IAB seems to sort of be dickish to the Christians at every turn.

Its sort of a turn-off.
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Male 450
"I still want to know how they measure the age of light."

Light travels at a set constant of 186,000 miles per second. So, if you know the distance between two objects, you can calculate the amount of time it takes light to travel between them.(i.e. a beam of light takes one year to travel 5.87849981 ×10 miles to the power of 12)that`s where we get the term "light year".
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Male 1,505
[sarcasm]It`s not real. It`s Jesus` trick to test the faithful[/sarcasm]
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Male 129
Ah yes, Scientists can declare absolutely what`s going on a bajillion miles away, and yet still get shocked at what we find in our own seas!
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Male 25,416
how do u know its not a smudge on the lens :)
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Female 255
""All those bright dots... and there`s supposed to be only one of them with life on it? ha"

Actually none of them have life. Those dots are stars."

Actually they`re galaxies :)
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Male 1,164
Fascinating.

I still want to know how they measure the age of light.
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Female 1,380
@lordtyusa
"why do you hate on Christians so much? Does it really bother you that much to allow them to live their lives with hope of a reward for living a good life? If so, why?"

they make fun of all religions on here, even Athiests...get over it your religion is no better than anyone elses` if they`re going to make fun of everything but christanity that wouldn`t be cool.
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Male 483
"All those bright dots... and there`s supposed to be only one of them with life on it? ha"

Actually none of them have life. Those dots are stars. Stars = enormous fireballs. There is however a possibility of one of those stars having their own orbiting planets much like our very own solar system. It sounds stupid but play Spore. Once you hit the space stage it`ll really give you an idea of how small humans are.
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Male 34
All those bright dots... and there`s supposed to be only one of them with life on it? ha
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Male 2,309
Nothing blew up. The big bang is actual the expansion, and the creation of space-time and all the fundamental forces. It`s easier to explain it to a layman [i.e. idiot] as a big bang.
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Male 1,547
@quick1dunkno
1. learn what a fallacy is. Your comment is accusing me of incorrect data, not flawed reasoning.
2. I never made the claim that "nothing blew up and produced gazillion tons of all the elements and formed planets". All I said is that saying something (or "nothing" for that matter) is "before the big bang" is not logical because of what the Big Bang model is. You are applying a concept from a static universe model to a model that contradicts the static universe. Of course it isn`t going to fit.
3. The Big Bang theory does not say that everything was "already there" because that implies a "before". Learn some cosmological macro-scale geometry.
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Male 292
@quick1dunko: so youre saying the big bang just exploded into existence? im not religious but doesn`t it just make sense that there had to be something "before" the big bang? even if it`s nothing. god all this poo is hard to wrap my mind around
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Male 2,309
The big bang isn`t some guess that scientists made. It`s identified by the fact of cosmic radiation, hubble`s constant, etc.
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Male 99
@fleaman1797
You`re kidding right? Please take a 100 level physics class. The concept "before the big bang" is the same as "south of the south pole". It`s a geometric absurdity. The "Big Bang" is a model with predictive capability, all of those predictions have been discovered as accurate.
Comparing it to religion is fallacious

your comment is a fallacy .. so are you saying nothing blew up and produced gazillion tons of all the elements and formed planets :S ? ( or did you forget that according to big bang theory everything was already there just not blowing up )
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Male 99
@samenamegame
u probably wont see this.. but

DOES IT dratING MATTER.. are they bothering you? are they usurping your land making outrageous claims such as their god gave them that land? ( yes i am refering to drating jews and screw u iab i wrote drating myself no need for your censor)
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Male 1,547
@fleaman1797
You`re kidding right? Please take a 100 level physics class. The concept "before the big bang" is the same as "south of the south pole". It`s a geometric absurdity. The "Big Bang" is a model with predictive capability, all of those predictions have been discovered as accurate.
Comparing it to religion is fallacious.
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Male 718
(After Big Bang)
i stopped reading after that. the big bang is the (Science)way of describing Religion. so everything was nothing, till it exploded and became something. ok im going to go out back and use a stick of dynamite to create a scientist who knows wtf he is talkin about
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Male 1,547
@MrPeabody
That article puts everything in layman`s terms, which when dealing with science often leads to misinterpretations like the one you`re making. Here is the actual experiment.

Put simply, light travels at 300,000 km/s, Except when Kilometers and seconds change due to gravity and quantum forces (like in that experiment). That`s why we refer to the constant as the speed in a vacuum.

The problem is that our brains think in a space/time centric manner, it`s hard to grasp that light is the unchanging foundation. The thing is, the math is easier with light as the constant. You could rewrite all the physics equations (making them obnoxiously complex) to favor space/time centric and you`d get the same answer, just in a different notation. Just like you can make a working geocentric model of the solar system. Ockham`s ra
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Male 1,015
" "The tiny, dim object is a compact galaxy of blue stars that existed 480 million years after the big bang." And they know this how? "

Sorry but : "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." And you know this how ???

Scientific method, telescopes, spectrography, etc etc etc...

Faith, believeing blindly in things you`re told.
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Male 1,015
a constant paradox ? religion has no place at all
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Male 1,920
@SvampeBob

I never said the Earth is 6000 years old, and I said God never said it is either. I said God created the Universe in the beginning, and did not put a date on it. Science agrees the Universe had a beginning. As this is a civil discussion I will refrain from insulting you as you did me.
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Male 1,920
@Volsunga

"Light, which normally travels the 240,000 miles from the Moon to Earth in less than two seconds, has been slowed to the speed of a minivan in rush-hour traffic -- 38 miles an hour."

-HAVARD UNIVERSITY GAZETTE

Read the article, I did not misinterpret anything.
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Male 531
i could walk there in no time
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Male 196
...it`s just a constant paradox. Religion has no place in science. Science has no place in religion. There, I said it. Can we all just get along now and have a beer?
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Male 196
I love it how creationists get so defensisive when it comes to science, and especially quantum mechanics. Religion to me doesn`t need to be disproven as it is all a fallacy to me. I think having faith shows excellent character, and power to those who believe but PROVE to me that ANY god in ANY religion actually exists...
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Male 3,076
@MrPeabody I bet you still believe the earth is only 6000 years old, you poor ignorent bastard XD
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Male 335
Pandabee, you win!
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Male 196
@inter237....you called it there man...it`s truly amazing how insignificant we are on the grand scale of things, whether you believe in a god or not, the universe and the wonders within when pondered from a scientific point of view are absolutely mind blowing.
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Male 1,547
@MrPeabody
You are seriously misinterpreting the conclusions of that experiment. Light itself was not slowed, it just slowed relative to us because of the gravitational lensing of the dense particle field it was traveling through. It`s the same thing when light travels through a prism and scatters colors, albeit on a grander scale.

Those scientists proposing that light used to be faster are hacks. They are taking advantage of the problem of perspective in relativity and trying to sound revolutionary. The reality is that they are just treating space/time as constant instead, which opens up several problems.

Because there is no legitimate point of reference in the universe, we have to start somewhere. Einstein chose to measure everything by light, so that`s what we use. It`s simpler to think of space/time as variable than light due to quantum theory.
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Male 49
@ Minitimm

Object age can be measured by the light that reaches the earth. The color of the light is determined by how long it takes to reach us or something like that. Just go to you tube and do a search for universe age, tons of neat videos with pictures that simplify a complicated math.
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Female 856
Can we have your liver then?
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Male 1,920
(Drat char limit)

fast light travels today would be a fallacy.



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Male 1,920
1. God said he created everything in the Beginning, he didn`t put a date on it.

2. If God did create everything, He probably was smart enough to create it fully formed, and would have put everything in it`s intended place. How old was Adam when God created him?

3. The speed of light has been proven to not be a constant and has been slowed down in a laboratory.
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It is also theorized that light may have traveled faster in the early universe.
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If light is not constant then to say something is a certain age based on
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Female 839
omg it says creationists not scientists, drat it i am tired - let the flaming commence
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Female 839
6,000 year old? erm, surely they estimated it at being a little older than that..maybe there are some zero`s missing
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Male 82
"The tiny, dim object is a compact galaxy of blue stars that existed 480 million years after the big bang." And they know this how?
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Male 244
@danthew

There are also other neat techniques, such as observing belts such as our own kuiper belt, and noticing that they have areas that are somewhat swept out. The talk was quite a while ago so I don`t quite remember how it works, but it`s not terribly dissimilar from gaps in Saturn`s rings. The difference being rather than a circular gap there is a kind of missing chunk.
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Male 2,150
Starbucks Coming Soon
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Male 1,547
On this scale, distance is a useless concept due to the expansion of space itself. It`d be more accurate to say that this is the oldest (or youngest, depending on perspective) galaxy we`ve seen. Time is a much easier concept to relate to light (the constant by which we measure everything) than space. Unless you subscribe to the theory that time is "expanding" just like space, then you get into a complete clustef*ck of relationships.

in short:


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Male 2,121
I was told of this a couple months ago before it got all the media attention (it helps if you do Physics at university and your tutor is a astronomy researcher), this is really on the edge of being accepted. The data does seem to suggest there`s something there, but only just. It`s close enough that it`s open to interpretation. But still, I think it probably is a galaxy, rather than random noise.

Also, @kribbe, scientists are looking for close hospitable planets. It`s just that they`re incredibly hard to find. It`s like seeing a speck of dust pass in front of a light bulb simply by noticing that the light got slightly dimmer. So far we can only really find massive planets several time the size of Jupiter, though we`re getting closer.
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Male 1,793
The bible is a fictional story like Lord of the Rings, but Lord of the Rings has a better story line and much better characters...
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Male 807
Please do enjoy the article, i thought it was remarkable specifically for the zoom portion through space to that object that has taken billions of years for the light to reach the lens on the Hubble
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Male 807
OK, I chose the tag to yes, drive up views, incite conversation but to really do what SJNOU02 said, no offense intended to christians merely a jab at creationism and the fact people hold this as truth
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Male 1,299
You know what i`m sick of? People whining about "flame wars."

A.) Most of the stuff you guys cry over are BARELY arguments, let alone flame wars.

B.) There is no rule AGAINST arguments- if anything; incendiary topics are specifically posted to SPARK debate.

C.) If you don`t like it- you don`t have to read it.

D.) You`re more annoying than any of the people participating in the "flame war." At least they`re saying interesting things. You`re just bawwing.
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Female 728
Inter237: I actually find that I feel less insignificant when I hear about the universe. We are all part of the universe, made up of "star stuff" as Carl Sagan would put it. Whenever I hear new research that expands our knowledge of the universe, it makes me feel like we`ve come closer to a better understanding of the universe. I don`t know if we can ever have perfect knowledge of the universe (I`d like to think so, but it seems unlikely, given certain metaphysical uncertainties), but I think that we become something greater the greater our knowledge of the universe.
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Male 2,229
!3.7 billion...What to say that the universe is yet older still? Since that number is derived from farthest visible part that we have yet seen of this universe. Who`s to say that there more that haven`t seen?

And with the age of the earth, creationist miss one little point; How long is a `day`? How did the writers of Genesis determine what a day is? For this can be anywhere for modern hours to years/seasons in length? What`s to say that a bible day is equal to...oh let`s say 100,000 years by current measurement.

The thing with measuring Time, it`s all relativity to to position of the observation. Since time, as with space are influenced by gravitational distortions. Examples of which are stars, black holes, and massive planets (Jupiter comes to mind). These change how we see the universe and as well as how we measure it.

Damn, this sounding like a lecture...F this, on to something else...
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Male 586
Way to go IAB. Alienating your members is definitely a step in the right direction. Couldn`t have the caption been something a little less trollish?

Side note: Not all Christians are creationists and the Bible doesn`t say that the universe was created 6 or 7 *literal* days.
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Male 483
The point of god is to instill hope.
The point of religion is to start wars
Modern hospitals/research = no need for god
Modern political leaders = no need for religion
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Male 639
I love how the article doesn`t even mention the 6k creation but the tag does, do we really have to make everything a debate here or could we just maybe focus on the awesomeness of this discovery?
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Male 351
@Rick_S: This. I don`t believe the 6000 year old theory, but it just seems like the posts are here are so stupid in their attempt to disprove religion. The problem is, they fail to understand it at all and thus cannot make any valid arguments.
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Female 243
tear down the cross in my house*
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Female 243
i agree with Ska Machine though- im tired of the flame wars. its so dumb. nobody is going to drop everything and say "DAMN IT YOUR RIGHT! I`M GOING TO GO TEAR THE CROSS IN MY HOUSE/GO TO CHURCH AND START BEING AN ATHIEST/CHRISTIAN." Its just dumb. Everyone needs to stop focusing on the stupid tiny details of stuff and just enjoy life. Almost every culture and civilization is 99 percent alike. With the same morals and values. How/where you get those morals and values from is no reason to start blowing each other up. But obviously the world has been doing this wrong for a while now. The point of the game is to survive without intentionally screwing anybody over. And we`re doing a crappy job so far.
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Male 661
@Spider_sol There is a little more to the estimation than just guessing. Redshift, the constant speed of light, background radiation and other things are used. Astrophysicists and astronomers will all admit that they are estimates anyway.

I personally find it really cool that the further out into the universe, the further back in time you are seeing.
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Male 2,441
Pretty cool to realize how insignificant we really are in this massive universe. I also agree that there is no need for a flame-war on this post. Just enjoy the cool article.
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Female 131
@quick1dunkno - i feel like most of them are living their lives with the fear of hell being held over their heads if they`re bad more so than the promise of a reward if they`re good.
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Male 16
Non one is attacking Christianity... It`s merely a commentary on Creationism. It is possible to be a Christian and believe in science. However, if you asked a Creationist how old the universe is, they would probably tell you that according to the bible it is about 6,000 years old. Christian or not, anyone interested in science should be offended by creationism.

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Female 243
@lordtyusa obviously when they said "creationist" and mentioned 6,000 years they were talking about the creationists that take the Bible literally and believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that the theory of the earth being billions of years old is a lie. but typing that in the description line would obviously be pointless. so they said "creationist". and idk if you are asking I-A-B or the person that posted this why they hate Christians. but nobody hates you. the people that post these just think that the certain scientific theories of Christianity are ridiculous and share when they find something that seems to counter it. I-A-B also has many posts countering Athiests and other non believers too.
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Male 3,332
If you believe in God, and you believe he created the universe 6,000 years ago, what`s to stop you from believing that he created the light that would have been traveling from this galaxy to our Earth all along a path from the galaxy to a point 6,000 light-years away?
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Male 99
Does it really bother you that much to allow them to live their lives with hope of a reward for living a good life? If so, why?

BRAVO brilliant question.. btw im not christian and my previous post was purely for the lulz :/
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Male 259
Not all creationists hold so dearly to the 6,000 year theory. I-A-B, you`re starting to piss off a lot of your viewers with your incessant attacks against people who choose to believe in something you deem ridiculous.
This is a fantastic article about something that could be (notice that the theory is not yet validated by peers). Yet again you`ve turned something amazing, wonderful and majestic into a mere flame-war for simpletons. Congratulations.
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Male 99
this is a conspiracy .. THE WORLD IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD .. THE ICE AGE WAS ONLY 10 YEARS LONG NOT 10000 YEARS.. THIS IS PART OF AN ATHIEST CONSPIRACY
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Male 301
6,000 years old you say? I wonder which creationists you are referring to. I prefer to believe that God created the universe, but I have no problem in assuming that He did so billions of years ago (if not longer). Not to mention that any scientist with half a brain will tell you that time is relative (especially in regards to space). But again I ask the never answered question: why do you hate on Christians so much? Does it really bother you that much to allow them to live their lives with hope of a reward for living a good life? If so, why?
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Male 573
Good, intresting post.
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Male 2,004
why are they looking for the most distant star? focus on finding a closest hospitable planet and to somehow get us there really fast
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Female 8,058
I read somewhere that it resembles the tea that gets spilt in a saucer- just sloshing around! I read it here time articlewhich was slightly less dry.
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Male 153
why did you have to mention creationism in the description... *holds flame sheild*
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Male 16
A red dot. That was pretty freakin` impressive.
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Male 1,451
I`ve always had a little qualm with them finding a galaxy 13.2 billion light years away and then getting to the "assumption" that the universe is 13.7 billion years old. All that means is that 13.2 billion years ago that galaxy was where you now see it. If anything the universe would be roughly twice as old as that galaxy is far away.
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Male 506
Immense.
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Male 263
Wow, 480 Million years after the big bang. That`s a blink of an eye for star or galaxy formation.
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Male 807
Link: NASA`s Hubble Finds Most Distant Galaxy Ever [Rate Link] - Prepare to be humbled, this fact may contradict the 6,000 year-old universe creationists hold so dear....
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