Dad On Trial This Week For Letting Son Shoot Uzi

Submitted by: fancylad 6 years ago in

Dr. Charles Bizilj wanted to record his 8-year-old son shoot an Uzi. The Uzi recoiled and the boy killed himself on tape
There are 142 comments:
Male 511
@Cats_Suck Does having a gun not make killing someone easier? Baseball bats don`t pose a danger from children, baseball bats can`t fire accidentally.
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Female 152
I agree with finepoint. I wanna see it too. No lie, it would make my day. The father was a f***ing retard for letting his child do this. But I personally don`t think he should go to jail. Perhaps getting his balls chopped off, making sure he won`t be able to reproduce ever again.
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Male 14,331
I myself have seen the footage of the boy shooting just before the death it`s his fathers arrogance that led up to this he thought his son could handle it against warning and obviously never showed him how to properly shoot he only had one hand supporting it and did not have the stock up to his shoulder.

Also Uzi....

vs.
Micro Uzi...
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Male 14,331
I guess the waver you sign at this event clearing the owners of your neglagence and stupidty hold no legality?
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Male 14,331
Welcome to Massachusetts backward logic on guns. They`re now trying to convict the sherrif of that county of mansluaghter or was it involuntary manslaughter when he had next to nothing to do with it. This "Dr." in all of his wisdom picked of all the things for his son to shoot a micro uzi which shoots insanley fast and climbs quickly after one of the rangemasters there specifically told him not to have his son shoot that for the reasons I just said. Plenty of mistakes were made that day but primarily by the parent and now the sherrif is unemployed and the sportsmans club it happened at is no longer in buissness beacuse of a parents stupidity.
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Male 57
Guns don`t kill people... Idiots do.
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Male 3,745
"whats wrong with Finepoint, i bet that 90% of the people who clicked on this link wanted to see a kid shoot himself,"

does this help?

"i just wanna see the kid shooting himself...why can`t anything good ever be shown on the internet?"

tbh i clicked the link to see what the comments were going to be like...i had no intention on watching the video...
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Male 734
I`m with Warlaman. Everybody who clicked this link was fully prepared to see that.
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Male 35
To see the full video of the kid with the Uzi go to tinyurl.com/KidVersusUzi
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Male 34
whats wrong with Finepoint, i bet that 90% of the people who clicked on this link wanted to see a kid shoot himself, you guys are just assuming that Finepoint thinks that it would be funny to see that he would die, maybe it was curiosity, to just see him die.. your a hypocrite if your gonna judge Finepoint..
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Female 4,086
@ finepoint

you are in need of serious help. i implore you to get that help as soon as possible. it is as fast and easy as picking up the phone and calling 911.

i sincerely hope that you take my advice and call for help TODAY.
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Male 1,548
@finepoint
your sick bastard ass is in luck, you can find it on ogrish. You have to do the job of finding it, though.
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Female 3,726
@ Finepoint

You need SERIOUS mental help!
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Male 3
To clarify, the father was not on trial. He was testifying in a trial against one of the event`s organizers for involuntary act manslaughter.

The father is not facing charges, he is laying out the facts for why another person (the event organizer) should be held responsible for his son`s death and go to jail.

Moderators please address some of the previous comments. They are beyond distasteful - what if the boy`s family should happen to read this?
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Male 12,138
[quote]They were at a shooting range event trying out a uzi. I don`t see a problem with taking your kids to the shooting range. I have to admit shooting guns is kinda fun. It`s like people getting mad at archery competitions because that`s all archery was designed to do--kill. [/quote]
What went down was, it was an Uzi sub machine gun. It has a helluva kick, and the kid pressed the trigger until the full-auto fire climbed and shot the kid through the chin, into his brain.

Again, I instate, shooting a bow and arrow (or for that matter a hunting rifle) is very different than shooting off an Uzi. The hunting rifle is meant to provide food for your family. The Uzi is meant to make people dead.

Come on people. This isn`t rocket science here.
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Female 1,515
I really don`t like guns but some people are so annoying about this. They were at a shooting range event trying out a uzi. I don`t see a problem with taking your kids to the shooting range. I have to admit shooting guns is kinda fun. It`s like people getting mad at archery competitions because that`s all archery was designed to do--kill. It seems from the news articles that the gun misfired somehow? I don`t really understand how it all went down, seems bizarre to me.
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Male 400
@FinePoint

You really want to see an 8 year old child shoot himself? Kind of messed up aren`t you.
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Male 161
i just wanna see the kid shooting himself...why can`t anything good ever be shown on the internet? anyways...the dad shouldn`t be going to jail for this...it wasn`t like it was his intention to have his son accidentally shoot himself. not to mention he`s prolly suffering enough at the loss of his son.
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Male 39,614
Kids spoil everything.
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Male 258
Why the hell can anyone get a hold of an uzi in the first place? It`s an uzi.
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Male 496
The line of questioning from the prosecutor leads me to believe that the dad is not the one on trial, but in fact the guys that let his son shoot the gun are. He mentions a "flyer" about an "event" that colleagues had been to and said it was "well run", this would be the shooting event. If this was a shooting event, then it stands to reason that it`s the range getting prosecuted, not the father, for failing to protect the childs life.
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Female 34
@CodeJockey: yes, dude. For real.
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Male 181
Hate to gum up the arguments with facts, but apparently the kid`s father is NOT on trial, he`s made a killing with a book and settlement money. The organizers of the event are up on involuntary manslaughter charges.

Here`s just one story on this case.
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Male 313
Madhole.... you are full of lefty hate.
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Male 5,189
"he made a mistake his son died, he`s already sad enough."

I agree. But no 8 year old should be playing with an uzi. Touchy situation here. :|
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Male 5,189
Humanity is slipping again.
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Male 5,624
How is that guy not in jail already?

F*cking US.
Guy gets caught with some weed: Pokey for five years.
Guy gets caught with CARTOON pedo: Pokey for eleven years.
Guy responsible for the death of an actual human being: Meh. So, you wrote a book and didn`t take responsibility for handing a frail minor a loaded weapon, a weapon known for jams and continuous misfire until empty, the version of that weapon with the heaviest recoil, right?
Hell, you only made about $1M off of his death. We`ll chat about this again after a year or two. Maybe in that time, some lawyers and prosecutors can make some money off of his death too after you bump that Mill up a couple-o-hundred G`s... for your foundation...
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Male 163
ffs give the dude a break, he shot his song his fault but why put him in jail, im pretty sure he`s already depressed enough as of now
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Male 590
this guy was a moron and should definitely go to jail, but since when did society get so weak? what`s with this whole every life is a precious snowflake and we should rearrange society to protect the weakest and dumbest 5%? regardless of gun laws or drinking ages or medical advances the eventual mortality rate of any individual is still 100%
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Male 590
auburn: anyone can own a fully automatic weapon if they have the right permit, which is very costly, difficult to obtain and maintain, and the BATFE can come search your place and examine your weapon any time they choose... i`ve known people that had these permits and stopped renewing them because they`re so much trouble.... sort of like what owning a BB Gun in England must be like
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Male 3,745
"the dad seemed to have taken safety precautions"

if he had really taken safety precautions he would have had someone help the kid with the recoil or better yet not even let his kid hold the drating gun...
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Male 3,745
" "One more weak link out of the gene pool."

the kid died...not the dad...douche

If the dad is that stupid and poo rolls down hill. The stupidity will not cintinue to breed."

you can he was at a young enough age where you can still teach about the rights and wrongs in the world...stupidity isnt something that can be bread its something to be learned...

skypirate idk wtf you are getting at...but guns, no matter what they are used for, are used for death...thats why they are called "hunting" rifles...and i can guarantee that if you DO give everyone in the USA an assault rifle the crime rate (that is already the highest in the world thank you...) will only get higher...

" "Tools for what?"

Self Defense, Recreation, Food gathering."

all of which require the death of a second party...

"the dad seemed to have taken safety precautions"

if he had REALL
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Male 91
He didn`t actually get the shooting on film, it was just his brother. But he did record him looking for his son on the firing range, but no luck. He was lying on the ground, dead. So the video won`t be anything special.
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Male 10,338
"But really nobody should be allowed to purchase a fully automatic weapon. Our gun laws are insane and this tragic incident proves it."

We aren`t allowed to own them. He was probably renting it from whoever owns the shooting range. I know that sounds weird right? "Why does the guy that owns the shooting range get to own one?" I think there`s a loophole that means while private citizens cannot own a fully auto weapon, or modify a semi auto to achieve full auto, a business can with the right permits.

Don`t forget, the dad is not on trial. The owners of the shooting range are.
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Male 218
i cant be the only one who wants to see the full video. anyone know where the full video is at?
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Male 491
"One more weak link out of the gene pool."

the kid died...not the dad...douche

If the dad is that stupid and poo rolls down hill. The stupidity will not cintinue to breed.
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Male 7,378
@TriDick, That was about the dumbest statement ever from you and there have been some doozies. The government should take your computer because you have no right to own it.

But really nobody should be allowed to purchase a fully automatic weapon. Our gun laws are insane and this tragic incident proves it.
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Male 313
A country of free people.
This is a very sad story. He is paying for his poor decision.

We should at least register if not ban video cameras. Without the presence of a video camera this accident could have been avoided. Owning a video cameras is not a right.
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Male 155
The dudes son died and they are prosecuting him? Don`t you think hes had enough already?
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Male 426
i feel really bad for this guy.
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Male 1,153
What kind of a country allows people to have items made for the sole purpose of killing?
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Female 2,674
This is so sad. I can`t begin to imagine the heartbreak and regret that this man and everyone connected to the accident feels.
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Male 125
This is a horrible accident, but it`s just that...an accident. Reading some of the reports on the incident and the footage indicates proper safety was maintained and enforced. I feel bad for the man, and I hope that he is not put through to much more emotional trauma from the lawyers.
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Female 1,101
Now the people running the show should have known better..
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Female 1,101
I`m with Zombunny on this. He made a mistake, a very stupid mistake yes, but he doesn`t deserve to go to jail.

The kid was even wearing protective glasses which shows that the Dad was trying to be responsible, not reckless. Accidents happen. Heck this Dad could have just as easily been a rock climbing enthusiast and the kid could have falled to his death even though he had protective gear on. It`s really much different.
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Male 118
Happened two years ago, trial happening now. Police chief coordinating the event is on trial and his staff. NOT THE FATHER.
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Male 2,868
This guy isn`t an idiot for wanting to shoot an Uzi himself. He IS an idiot, and should be held entirely responsible for the consequences, for allowing someone as young as that to shoot an Uzi.
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Male 309
"the dad seemed to have taken safety precautions so i hope he doesn`t get punished or at least gets off easy. it was just a very unfortunate accident."

^ This. Some people just can`t accept that life carries with it some inherent risk and won`t be happy until we all forced to live in bubbles. I guarantee you that a greater percentage of people kill themselves with their car than with their gun. Still tragic, though.
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Male 351
the idiotic part was that the man did not know that the boy is nowhere near strong enough to wield that much power yet. and now never will be, good, 1 less crazy bastard to shoot me at some point for no good reason other then him being a complete drattard(like his dad).
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Male 93
He should have had steady aim on...
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Male 10,338
"the dad should be jailed for trying to train his son to be as idiotic as he is"

The dad letting the kid shoot the gun aside, which was a stupid decision, are you saying the guy is idiotic for wanting to shoot a gun?

What`s idiotic about that? It`s quite fun and empowering.
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Male 10,338
"Tools for what?"

Self Defense, Recreation, Food gathering.
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Male 7,378
Horrible parenting has been a theme these last few days. Gun organizer or not the dad should be jailed for trying to train his son to be as idiotic as he is apparently.
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Male 638
By the way way to screw up again I-A-B, you couldn`t be more wrong, the Dad is not on trial the gun fair coordinators are.
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Male 638
Penn and Teller had a kid on their show Bullpoo fire a gun, send them to jail.
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Female 1,784
I am bored makes me sad
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Male 770
If the father made the decision to let his son fire the gun. Then I think the guys in charge of the event are not the ones resposible. Especially if they warned the father that this was a bad idea.
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Male 997
@jore13 finally someone else knows and repeats what I said at the beginning the father is not on trial. He`s trying to blame the show organisers.

To add to your pretty accurate round up, the father signed a waiver to the effect that the gun show was not responsible for among other things illness or `DEATH` resulting from the firing of weapons. Fun fact of American legal system its very easy to sign away that liability unlike in UK we have the Unfair Contract Terms Act which would mean that waiver would be torn up as invalid.
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Male 5
If you would like to read more about the trial, you can go here:
Masslive
The story is all over that site because it is the local newspaper company.
On a side note, a friend of mine was at that gun show the week before and shot that same gun. My friend is a grown man and he had a hard time shooting it because of it`s kick. If a grown man, with experience shooing weapons, can`t handle this weapon, what makes a father think his son can handle it.
My feelings, the wrong man is on trial. The father is NOT on trial, but SHOULD be. The prosecutors are just putting anyone on trial because they don`t want to hold the father responsible for his own actions.
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Female 2,525
How awful. Yes, letting children play with guns is a bad idea and he clearly made an irresponsible decision, but there`s absolutely no reason for him to go to prison for it. He`s not a danger to the public. He made a terrible mistake and lost his son. He clearly feels remorse for what he did. As others said, that`s punishment enough.
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Male 5
Ok everybody, I`ll try to clear this up for you because I actually live in the area and know what is going on. The dad is not on trial, one of the men in charge of the event is on trial, for manslaughter. The other two will have their trials after this one. Here is a quote from a state police officer about the video "Crane said that because Christopher, as seen in the video shot by his father, did not have the shoulder stock firm against his body, the light, short weapon twisted as he fired and he was shot in the head." Also, the guy in the video shown helping the kid shoot the gun also turned to the kids father twice to inform him that it may not be such a good idea for the young kid to shoot the gun. the father was so adament that both of his sons, the 8 year old(the dead one) and his 11 year old shoot automatic guns and that he gets video and pictures of it that he wasn`t worried about problems that could happen.
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Male 4,745
The recoil sort of flipped the gun up and shot him, vertically, in the head.

Terribly sad.
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Male 1,083
the dad seemed to have taken safety precautions so i hope he doesn`t get punished or at least gets off easy. it was just a very unfortunate accident.
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Male 812
I`m not terribly saddened. Anyone ever thought that guns might be dangerous and not fricking toys? Anyone ever thought what the gun would do to whatever is shot with it, huh?!
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Female 833
did the kid shoot himself or did he die because the uzi recoiled in his face?
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Female 8,001
Poor poor man, what a terrible price to pay for an idiotic mistake. I truly feel for him.
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Male 1,929
I must admit I`m having a little trouble imagining how it shot him in the head with that massive butt on it. It must have been way out of whack and he just kept a tight grip. He`s only 8 so even if he was repeatedly warned beforehand to let go if it went wrong, he might have panicked.

But why give an 8-year old lots of bullets????? Must have taken quite a few (>5) to recoil into his face. You don`t just give a kid an uzi with a full clip and think "well, I hope nothing goes wrong in the next 5 seconds! lets have a see."

No logical reason to give the dad anything more than a token sentence though if you find him guilty.
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Male 705
That`s sad.
Really, really sad.
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Male 2,419
"every person is required to server in the military"<- this being the difference between an Israeli citizen and an American citizen makes it likely cause for differences in population statistics

All your cases of "this is already illegal" don`t help your cause, you wanted all guns legal so anybody can have any gun. I make the point that giving certain people certain guns is a bad idea and you dismiss it as already illegal. You wanted to legalize it.
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2,767
`All you did was prove that a responsible and properly trained individual can be trusted with a firearm`

actually i used the statements `for what ever reason` and `come up with your own conclusions`. i know the difference between cause and correlation, thank you very much!

your first post was to a video of kids. kids are not allowed to own firearms, so if they did they would be breaking the law. do you really think more laws would stop them?

the second video was of people firing various uzis at targets. ya, i guess you`re scared of these people, im not. most people, believe it or not, have good intentions.

the last picture was of an ar-15 modified (legally) to accept 9mm (which will penetrate less then the standard .233). i dont see the point. any one who will pull this on a person and use it as a weapon is breaking the law...get it? changing the law doesn`t effect people who disregard it in the first place.
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Male 2,419
@skypirate
The average citizen does not have military training. All you did was prove that a responsible and properly trained individual can be trusted with a firearm. Put an assault rifle in the hands of these people and turn your back, go ahead.

This is not a weapon intended to subdue an intruder, it is made to kill.

This will use any standard 9mm ammunition, what do you think your intention is when you pull it on somebody in the dark?
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2,767
`Tools for what?

Foolish`

You were looking for a noun or verb, not an adjective. Such as, I (noun) will (verb) to (verb) the second amendment.
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2,767
A gun that has no recreational purpose- seriously? you dont think you`d like to shoot one at a range? well i cant say i own one but they are fun to shoot.

is clearly intended to be a weapon used on people- well it was developed by Israel so i guess you know more then they do. ha ha, but seriously theres a reason they develop CIVILIAN VERSIONS of fire arms.

and an Uzi is NOT a weapon for protecting your house- OMG, an uzi comes in either .22, 9mm (9x19 parabellum) or .45 acp.... those are the most common self defense rounds.

you clearly dont understand the subject you are commenting on. this is an official request for you to stop, as you will only cause more confusion.
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Male 40,375
"I grew up in Northern Ireland during the "troubles". With all due respect, you have no idea what the f*ck you`re talking about"
Yes, those were bad times.
HOWEVER:
#1 I live NOW in the "North End" of Winnipeg, the hotbed of racial warfare! Plus my personal property has been attacked MANY TIMES by racists (ie: aborigionals, "Indians" for you outsiders.)
#2 That has NO connection WHATSOEVER to the topic of bullets = nuclear bombs.
Try again, feel free! It`s still a free country, until Obama says it`s not...
Wee wee wee! My Irish peoples gots the worst suffering! (Look up Holodomor if y`all want to "compate suffering". Yes that is MY PEOPLE who lost MILLIONS due to socialist greed...)
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2,767
give the masses assault rifles and some serious poo will happen-

in Israel (where the uzi was invented) every person is required to server in the military and encouraged to keep there rifle (assault rifle by US definition) and there is lower crime for what ever reason then there is in the us (where, by definition `assault` rifles or select fire firearms are illegal). so, most houses in Israel have assault rifles, most houses in the US do not. compare the crime rates and come up with your own conclusion.
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Male 606
poor guy..he loses his son and is now on trial, hello he was wearing the goggles and safety glasses, all the times ive shot guns ive never worn that stupid shyt.. stupid liberals arguing over gun control...in the words of Charlton Heston " from my cold dead hands"... kid should have been a better shot.
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Male 36
Guns are not weapons until we weaponize them.
Until that point, they are tools.

Tools for what?

Foolish
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2,767
A gun that has no recreational purpose- seriously? you dont think you`d like to shoot one at a range? well i cant say i own one but they are fun to shoot.

is clearly intended to be a weapon used on people- well it was developed by Israel so i guess you know more then they do. ha ha, but seriously theres a reason they develop CIVILIAN VERSIONS of fire arms.

and an Uzi is NOT a weapon for protecting your house- OMG, an uzi comes in either .22, 9mm (9x19 parabellum) or .45 acp.... those are the most common self defense rounds.

you clearly dont understand the subject you are commenting on. this is an official request for you to stop, as you will only cause more confusion.
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Male 2,419
@skypirate
an individual doesn`t reflect the entire population, give the masses assault rifles and some serious poo will happen
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Male 12,138
[quote]Guns are not weapons until we weaponize them. Until that point, they are tools. [/quote]
Wait, what the f*ck? Uzi`s are tools? What, are you using them as screwdrivers? They are made to spit bullets at the enemy, hopefully rendering them dead in the process.

Dear Americans, I have to sign out out now. Best of luck. Try not to kill each other.
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2,767
`you have no idea what the f*ck you`re talking about.`

actually, i do. i know what i do and do not use my firearms for. if you need specifics on models please request. but i will say all are 100% legal and are not select fire.
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Male 10,338
Guns are not weapons until we weaponize them.

Until that point, they are tools.

This guy already served his punishment for his stupidity. 8 years old is too young for something that small. Maybe a rifle/something that can`t recoil in his face.
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Male 2,419
"Who controls nukes @davymid? You`re free to build one if you like..."

No you aren`t.

And Uzi =/= Hunting Rifle, an Uzi is designed for shooting at people. An Uzi is a weapon just like Anthrax is a weapon. Do you really believe that John Doe should be allowed to have this set up on a window facing the street with live ammunition loaded and ready?



A gun that has no recreational purpose is clearly intended to be a weapon used on people and an Uzi is NOT a weapon for protecting your house unless the zombies rise up.
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Male 1,178
As much as I don`t agree with him allowing an 8 year old to shoot an Uzi, I hope he got away with it. I`m sure he didn`t intend for his son to be killed, and that`s punishment enough...
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Male 12,138
[quote]vv @skypirate =
While davymid = chicken-poop.[/quote]
Cats, a moment of seriousness, if you will. I grew up in Northern Ireland during the "troubles". With all due respect, you have no idea what the f*ck you`re talking about.
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Male 40,375
vv @skypirate = :-)
While davymid = chicken-poop.
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Male 40,375
vv @davymid you`re the one cheapening things here. If you`ll read my posts I clearly state my opinion.
YOU are the one trying to take things "to extremes" by equating firearms with nuclear weapons, m-kay?
So drat you, if you can`t take the heat, get your *ss out of the intelectual kitchen...
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2,767
`Uzis are a weapon`

wrong. that`s where the disconnect is. i have an ak-47, ar 15, many pistols and shotguns and a few deer rifles (or `sniper` rifle in your head), i have never ever, not even once, though of using those firearms on people as a `weapon`. a gun is not always a weapon, just as a knife, rock, crowbar or fist is not always a weapon.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Weird how a few grams of explosives = MEGATONS OF TNT in the mind of the liberal... [/quote]
If you`re going to cheapen this conversation into a political thing of liberal vs. whateverthef*ckyouare, then I`m done. I was simply stating a personal opinion.
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Male 242
I-Want-Depression dot cawwwwwwwwm
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Male 12,138
Meh, this conversation is getting cheap now, when a dad`s son died.

All I`m saying is, Uzi sub machine guns are not the same as a f*cking bmx, or motorcycle, or car, or a frigging horse.

Uzis are a weapon, designed to kill other people. They have no other purpose. I`m not about to disclaim this dad who let who let his kid shoot off an Uzi, no more than I am going to let my kid shoot off an Uzi tomorrow.
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Male 40,375
@davymid - are nukes = guns? In your mind?
Weird how a few grams of explosives = MEGATONS OF TNT in the mind of the liberal...
Megaton
Megaton Man
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Male 40,375
TSK! Non-Proliferation Treaty Linky
Amatures! lolz!
Ireland and Finland the first to sign it? LMAO!!
Cross-posting city, eh?
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Male 321
""@Davymid. You are retarded, no offense."

Oh, none taken. I know nukes are controlled. I was simply asking, why control nukes when nukes don`t kill people, people kill people. Apparently. "

Still, completely different subjects.
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Male 12,138
[quote]@Davymid. You are retarded, no offense. [/quote]
Oh, none taken. I know nukes are controlled. I was simply asking, why control nukes when nukes don`t kill people, people kill people. Apparently.
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Male 321
"@Davymid. You are retarded, no offense.

Oh, none taken. "
Good, because you are usually quite an interesting commenter.
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Male 321
@Davymid

You are retarded, no offense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
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Male 40,375
Who controls nukes @davymid? You`re free to build one if you like... you got about 1 billion to spend, go for it!
You know what kills people? Cars + cigarettes! The fourth leading cause of car crashes (well, before cell phones) is smokes! I was lighting my smoke... I dropped my cigarette on my lap...
I was getting my smokes out of my purse...
The first three causes?
Unsafe speed for road conditions
Alcohol
Just plain accidents - no one is actually `at fault.`

As for guns: an unloaded gun is a lousey weapon. It takes a human to load a gun, eh? Here in Canada knives continue to be the #1 weapon used in murders...
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Male 12,138
[quote]Guns do NOT kill people. I have yet to see a gun jump up off the table, load itself and go on a shooting rampage[/quote]
Never seen a nuclear missile do that either. Why then do we control nukes?
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Male 174
I hope he gets a few years in jail. Everytime someone will ask him why he`s there, he`ll have to tell them "I`m here because I killed my son."
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Male 1,051
Guns are just one of those things that have few positive purposes in a human`s life.
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Male 40,375
@davymid: the answer is Horses! The other 3 involve humans, eh? Humans make motorcycles and guns, and footballs for that matter.
Oh yeah: lolz! (just yanking your chain bro!)
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Male 40,375
Many mothers have killed their children through criminal neglect, but few are even charged, let alone jailed! It is ALWAYS ASSUMED that the mother "feels so sad about the loss of her child" that no further court action is neccessary.
Here we see the double standard: fathers are almost always charged and frequently convicted.

True but sad.

This father seems to have been using reasonable caution, however it seems (to me) a STUPID thing to do in the first place, eh?

Guns do NOT kill people. I have yet to see a gun jump up off the table, load itself and go on a shooting rampage; floating in the air like the Invisible Man was weilding it...
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Male 101
@Gerry10f1 and so it is said all of those activities can also result in the death of others...or permanent injury. Yet people put an 8 year old on a horse...I have been thrown twice from a horse, luckily I was not injured. I know two people that have been severely injured riding horses, and more than a few severely injured from football. I know only one person who has ever been injured from a firearm...in the foot.
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Male 101
I am a major advocate of gun rights and support repealing many, many bullpoo gun laws. However...even I will agree, 8 years old is a bit young for an Uzi...but I agree, losing your son is enough punishment.
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Female 3,562
A lot of you don`t realize that letting a kid use a machine gun AT ALL is completely illegal. As it should be. It`s worse than letting the kid drive a car.
So yeah, I guess he deserves to be legally punished for doing something illegal in the same way a man who kills his own son by drunk driving or purposely burning down the house should be.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Some people are into motorcycles.
Some are into horses.
Some are into football.
Some are into guns. [/quote]
*Breaks into Sesame Street song*: "One of these things is not like others, one of these things is not the same"
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Male 96
@antagonizer

what you said
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Male 39,614
[quote]This is why I`ll never understand Americans, as much as I love them as individuals. [/quote]


Some people are into motorcycles.
Some are into horses.
Some are into football.
Some are into guns.

You could get killed in any of those activities, or you could have a close bonding moment with Dad.

Life has risks and sometimes it really sucks.

No, that doesn`t make sense and it`s not "fair" but that also why life sometimes sucks. Life doesn`t always make sense and it`s not always fair.

It just is. But we don`t have to villify other people in the middle of their own personal torment.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Dad should`ve known a SMG with that much kick was a bit too much for his kid, But he lost his kid, I believe that`s punishment enough.[/quote]
Agreed Crakr. Flame-Wars on gun control aside, this dad made a really, really silly mistake. He`s lost a son over it and is clearly remorseful. Let`s not go all witch-hunt on the guy.
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Male 17,512
Dad should`ve known a SMG with that much kick was a bit too much for his kid, But he lost his kid, I believe that`s punishment enough.
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Male 10,440
[quote] There are Rapists, Murderers, and Theives IN OUR MIDST RIGHT NOW[/quote]

Ahh yes. I know that reaction all too well. Enjoy your life of paranoia. I will bask in the contentment that even a system as corrupt as yours still works. Sort of.

[quote] designed for the sole purpose of murdering other people. [/quote]

Not so davymid! I for one partake in the little known sport of hunting grizzly bears with miniguns. I sell the bear pelts to make a living.
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Male 10,440
so.... let me get this strait, instead of actually watching the video, we get a small clip of it and 4 minutes of grainy low-quality court proceedings. Right. How boring.

... I`d be willing to bet that it exists somewhere online.

Anyway... dad was to blame. One could comment on how retarded the relationship is between Americans and guns, but all that has already been said. Since we were shown the court video, are we supposed to pass judgment or something?

Give the man... I don`t know... whatever the sentence is for negligence resulting in accidental death.
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Male 3,745
"I learned to shoot a gun at 6. It`s a parental bonding experience. Why deprive a child of a learning experience?"

its ok as a bonding experience but use a gun better suited for that...

"yo johnny wanna go shoot the uzi today?"
"sure thing dad!"
"alright champ ill get the robitussin!"
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Male 3,745
"you guys are being too critical. yeah it was a bad idea to bring his 8year old son to a shooting range but not illegal."

that isnt the problem. the problem is the fact that he let his kid shoot the uzi and that he was killed...he was 8 years old and it was an uzi...8 year old + kick from uzi = bad idea

"With that logic, if your kid dies in a car wreck, the parent is an idiot for letting them ride in one. Sometimes, tragic accidents happen and NO ONE is at fault."

that isnt the same thing at all >.> if you take your kid to a gun show and he gets shot by a gun someone else is holding THEN that would be the same logic. this man not only let his kid hold the gun but also fire it. thats letting your 8 year old kid drive the car while not only cant he see of the damned dashboard but he cant even reach the pedal/brake...

"I learned to shoot a gun at 6. It`s a parental bonding experience. Why deprive a child of a learning exp
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Male 25
I feel for the guy. I wish this on no man.
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Male 12,138
[quote]With that logic, if your kid dies in a car wreck, the parent is an idiot for letting them ride in one. Sometimes, tragic accidents happen and NO ONE is at fault. [/quote]
This is why I`ll never understand Americans, as much as I love them as individuals.

A car is designed to get people from A to B. Sometimes they have the unfortunate side effect of killing people.

An Uzi is designed to kill people. Seriously, that`s it`s only purpose.

So the dad let a kid play with a gun designed to kill people, and he got killed. That`s worlds away from letting your kid ride in the back seat of your car, and he got killed.

And no, not slinging any blame here at the dad or anyone else. Just pointing out that guns are dangerous, and are (at least sub-machine-guns, not all guns) designed for the sole purpose of murdering other people.
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Male 1,548
@sylphies
I learned to shoot a gun at 6. It`s a parental bonding experience. Why deprive a child of a learning experience?
Guns aren`t some big, evil thing. What happened here was an accident caused by inexperience on the part of both the kid and the father. There is nobody who should be blamed here.
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Male 1,598
Letting an 8 year old shoot an uzi is pretty retarded, but I don`t think he should be on trial... I`d say the death of his son is enough punishment :/
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Male 39,614
[quote]his dad deserves to be put on trial for letting his kid touch the gun in the first place. [/quote]

With that logic, if your kid dies in a car wreck, the parent is an idiot for letting them ride in one. Sometimes, tragic accidents happen and NO ONE is at fault.

That`s my main problem with Americans. This Blame Game we play. Always point the finger at someone...as long as it isn`t ourselves.
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Male 1,627
you guys are being too critical. yeah it was a bad idea to bring his 8year old son to a shooting range but not illegal.

think of it from the dads eyes. he very very much loves his sons and he wants to spend time with them. maybe the dad is a gun nut or he just figured his sons would be intrested in something like this and would be all happy and poo with him and go back home feeling like they had a good time with their dad
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Male 125
While technically criminal, this is more of a horrible accident. The father is doomed to a life of regret few of us can even comprehend.

I`d be happy with a suspended sentence and a lifetime ban on owning or handling firearms.

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Male 25,417
Thats just sad....
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Male 418
from just what i have seen here, this man does not deserve to be on trial. he has lost his son in a terrible accident. but that`s all it was, a horribly devastating accident.
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Female 247
username3415, I laughed at that...that`s a ticket to hell for sure, right?
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Female 6
@EntreE
ha. you don`t know poo.
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Female 282
his dad deserves to be put on trial for letting his kid touch the gun in the first place.

I don`t give a dratdamn what the rest of you think, WHY THE HELL DOES AN EIGHT YEAR OLD BOY NEED TO SHOOT A GUN.
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Male 535
`merica.
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Female 3,562
I certainly think you should be punished for doing something stupid and illegal, but I also agree that loosing your kid is punishment enough. This is much like how they rescue people who jump off bridges to kill themselves then they arrest them. It`s like arresting a person for trespassing AFTER you shoot them.
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Male 3,745
"One more weak link out of the gene pool."

the kid died...not the dad...douche

"He was a newb, at an event where he was told it was supervised and safe. His son is dead because of his ignorance. He`s suffered enough."

anyone involved with this kid even HOLDING the UZI let alone FIRE it needs to be charged with involuntary manslaughter...its a drating uzi...you only see black guys and mexicans in MOVIES with those...get the drat back to reality and do something other than put your child in harms way...
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Male 362
Son of a Gun....
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Male 997
Dad`s not on trial its Edward Fleury (the event sponsor), Carl Guiffre and Domenico Spano all for involuntary manslaughter which holds a sentence of 20 years. People who were involved in organising the event. Typical of society find someone else to blame for your mistake, letting a kid use a Uzi and dismissing the warnings against it.

@daninicki he wasnt teaching his son how to use a gun, he wanted to catch his son on film firing a gun. What about this a Mother shot dead by 10 year old son Yup training a kid how to use a firearm is very smart move.
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Male 3,431
What purpose is there in putting this man on trial? He is more a victim than anyone except perhaps the child`s mother. This is an insult to the notion of justice. He is on an emotional torture rack and the goddamn prosecutor may as well be using a hot iron. I will bet that the defendant would prefer such treatment.

WHAT THE drat.

What purpose does this SERVE!? What`s the reason? Is he a criminal because of an entirely unintentional result of the situation!? He is not guilty of anything and he should be dismissed immediately. There are Rapists, Murderers, and Theives IN OUR MIDST RIGHT NOW and we`re busy clotting the justice system with this!? It`s a travesty.
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Male 2,033
`merica.
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Male 199
Well... this is sad.
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Male 508
"One more weak link out of the gene pool."

Congratulations a perfect 10 on the douche meter.

He was a newb, at an event where he was told it was supervised and safe. His son is dead because of his ignorance. He`s suffered enough.
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Male 1,021
I think the dead son and guilt and loss is punishnment enough.
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Female 185
He wasn`t "playing" with weapons. He was teaching his son how to shoot a gun. My 3yr old has shot a gun. What`s more dangerous? A child who knows what a gun is capable of; or a child who`s only knowledge of guns is his toy? What do you think that ignorant child will do when he finds a real one?
This was a tragic accident. I feel so sorry for this man having to go through this after he`s just lost his child.
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Male 257
what possible purpose could charging this man with anythign serve? he made a mistake his son died, he`s already sad enough. what is sending him to jail going to do but waste tax money. the legal system in north america is retarded
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Male 1,765
Dr.? How the drat does a guy that let his son play with weapons manage to get an MD or PhD?
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Male 491
One more weak link out of the gene pool.
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Male 20,829
Link: Dad On Trial This Week For Letting Son Shoot Uzi [Rate Link] - Dr. Charles Bizilj wanted to record his 8-year-old son shoot an Uzi. The Uzi recoiled and the boy killed himself on tape
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