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140 Responses to Boy Gets Gun For Birthday And Kills Whole Family

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:26 am
    Link: Boy Gets Gun For Birthday And Kills Whole Family - Well that`s gratitude for you.
  2. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:31 am
    I think it`s wrong to try children as adults.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:32 am
    LET THE GUN LAW ARGUMENT... BEGIN!!!
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    That1Guy124 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:37 am
    and everyone is going to blame it on the gun.
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    That1Guy124 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:39 am
    well if his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult. his dad treated him like he knew better, why shouldn`t everyone else?
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    laxdef36 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:40 am
    Stupid, stupid people... Why would you give a gun to a 7th grader?
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    Forplay2k Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:42 am
    There was something going on there, for him to snap like that.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:47 am
    "well if his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult. his dad treated him like he knew better, why shouldn`t everyone else?"

    because common sence should tell you that giving a gun to a kid is a stupid idea...you are practically ASKING and/or MAKING him use it on someone...if he hadn`t used it on his family he would have used it on another kid at school or something...IAB needs a "America this is why you are stupid" section....
  9. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:54 am
    Yes, giving children weapons is the smart thing to do.

    I mean, what if WWIII started tomorrow and snot nosed emotionally unstable junior is the only one who can save us by skillfully using his rifle.

    I do not feel any pity for that family. They chose to give their son a rifle and ammo at an age that obviously isn`t ready for the responsiblity of a weapon.

    Idiots.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:58 am
    I got a .22 when I was 10. I didn`t kill anyone.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:58 am
    Only in America
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:02 am
    Sonofab|tch...that`s South Carolina for you. I live maybe an hour away from Spartanburg.
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    kingpong Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:12 am
    In case anyone couldn`t figure it out, South Carolina. GO roosterS!!!
  14. Profile photo of kingpong
    kingpong Male 18-29
    639 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 8:15 am
    South Carolinians should be allowed to say c()ck. It`s our mascot.
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:18 am
    Most of these comments here reveal people`s ignorance of the issue of gun ownership. You folks just go on and hide from "bad people with guns", and wait for the authorities to protect you. Be sure to hide under the bed or the desk.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:19 am
    @Angelmassb

    Last time I checked you also lived in an America. One that allows drug cartels to be more armed than it`s citizen and also has had it`s own police to beat and kill street children you may want to consider your countries own problems before critiszing others.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:22 am
    Really people when you were in 7th grade you couldn`t comprehend what murder and death are. The problem lies in this kid not guns.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:32 am
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:37 am
    Oh Jesus, that kid is not well. That kid needed help.
  20. Profile photo of KillerCactus
    KillerCactus Female 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:41 am
    -Sigh- You cant just give kids guns anymore. Its not like its the 19xx where people gave their kids BB guns to their kids for Christmas and they went out shooting birds and rabbits.
    Nerf. We have Nerf guns.
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:48 am
    @McGovern1981: You must think most people were some pretty stupid 7th graders. 14 yrs old=8th/9th grader by the way. By the time I was in 4th grade I had a very good comprehension of murder/death, and i`m nothing special.
  22. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 8:59 am
    vv Pretty sure that`s what I was saying.
  23. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:04 am
    his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult.

    The dad`s an idiot who paid for his stupidity.

    But the kid is still a kid... NOT an adult. The law says he does not have the faculties to even drive so how can we expect him to make life and death decisions with all the competance of an adult?

    Yes, he should be punished, but not according tot he standards of an adult.

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    Norris Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:04 am
    @ Xiq
    Me too

    @collegebound
    You`re an idiot.
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    prettymaryk Female 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:14 am
    @McGovern- I`m pretty sure that when I was in 7th grade I had a comprehension of murder. Yes, the kid is sick, but he knew what he was doing. Maybe if he was in 3rd grade, the story would be different.
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    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:16 am
    That`s pretty messed up. I don`t care how old you are. You do something wrong you should be held accountable and charged the same regardless of age.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:22 am
    @wheresmyskul You can argue that the problem lies with the people but the fact is that if the kid didn`t have a gun he couldn`t have shot them. Can`t argue with that.
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    austin1 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:25 am
    Weeding out the dummies! Im guessing that the Dad got what he deserved.
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    Jonno22 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:30 am
    @prettymaryk - completely agree.

    If you`re taught that it`s wrong to bully when you`re about 4, you should know it`s wrong to blow your own dad`s face off with a gun in 7th grade.
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    83nu Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:32 am
    Should have saved a bullet for himself.
  31. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:39 am
    True story: I got a Daisy pump-action BB rifle for Christmas when I was about 12. First shot, Christmas morning, I fired a random BB at a palm tree in my back yard, about 50 yards away. Killed a sparrow-like bird. Felt bad, never fired it again. FML.
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:49 am
    There had to be something going on in that house. Maybe the family treated him like poo when no one else was around. Could be why he felt like the guy being interviewed was a second father. Or maybe his dad was pressuring him into hunting and the kid didn`t want to.

    Or maybe the kid was just psychotic...
  33. Profile photo of wheresmyskul
    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:55 am
    @Frankii--Yep. You completely missed my point. And I expected that.
  34. Profile photo of VAJENGA
    VAJENGA Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 9:56 am
    Well it`s a good thing they didn`t buy the kid a box of condoms or they really would have been drated! (Sidenote:I actually typed in the word drated, why let the profanity filter have all the fun?)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Hmmm I guess I didn`t say that clearly down below what I mean is if you can`t tell that`s wrong at that age you`ve got serious issues.I blame bad punctuation here....

    "Really people!!!!! When you were in 7th grade you couldn`t comprehend what murder and death are!?!?!?! The problem lies in this kid not guns."

    k I think that makes a bit more sense now.
  36. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:09 am
    @Fancy
    Oh ya well when I was 10 I got a Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle but all I killed was glass bottles.(actually didn`t get that model but did get a BB gun)
  37. Profile photo of Laynard
    Laynard Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:09 am
    @fancylad, I had a similar experience with a lizard on a rock.
    Sounds to me like the kid just snapped. Probably due to abuse. Why, though, do all the family member photos look like mug-shots? God bless America, indeed...
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:14 am
    If you give a 7th grader a deadly firearm, maybe make sure he`s not pissed off at you first.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:16 am
    Well... why would you give a kid a gun?
  40. Profile photo of CoyoteKing
    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:27 am
    "And the next thing I know the cy-reens was out there"

    classic
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:34 am
    I BOUGHT my first 22 rifle when I was 14 from money I made working on a golf course.

    I have never once considered going on a killing spree of any kind. The only time I`ve had to use it was in self defense (a man broke into my house when I was 16 and I was home alone) and even then, I didn`t need to shoot it. My point is, the kid is a mess. The age has little to do with it.
  42. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Sad story, messed up kid.
    Probaly not a ".22" but a ".223" which is a military grade weapon. It`s hard to kill stuff with a .22! But a .223 does the trick.
    Also: one survived? Single bullet to the head? Don`t forget: double tap!
  43. Profile photo of Darkhumour
    Darkhumour Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 10:58 am
    at least he`s a good shot. HEAD SHOT, HEAD SHOT, HEAD SHOT !!!
  44. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:18 am
    But guns don`t kill people, right America?
  45. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:29 am
    5cats really?

    A .22 LR bullet is far less powerful than larger cartridges, but dangerous nonetheless; in fact its deceptive "low-power" reputation can make it more dangerous because some shooters do not pay it the same respect as larger cartridges, and shoot it carelessly. It can easily kill or severely injure humans and large animals."

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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:31 am
    5cats, haven`t we gone through this before?

    Just because a .22 is a small caliber does not make it any less lethal. It has an extremely high velocity and is lethal for up to a mile from the barrel.

    A .22 will bounce around inside your head, or your belly several times from bone to bone. This makes it in some ways even more deadly than a larger caliber that will have the power to go through bone and out the other side.

    Not to mention point blank range on unsuspecting targets...

    And if anyone wants to go to the gun law debate, explain to me the kid who took a loaded handgun in to his LA school not even two weeks ago and wounded two people. If the state with the strictest gun laws, in the city with even stricter gun laws than the state, has this problem, are more laws going to help?
  47. Profile photo of IshiiDaFishy
    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:32 am
    I`ve been shooting since I was about 8..the only difference between me and this kid is that obviously this kid did NOT take any training at all.
  48. Profile photo of Gortrok
    Gortrok Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
    Gun control... gun... control... stupid stuff like this happens all too frequently in the US :P
  49. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:50 am
    OK T-marley, 1 incident is not a statiscical sample, how about comparing the annual death rate due to guns between California and Alaksa.

    Do you understand now?
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:56 am
    Yeah I know DC - dammit - that isn`t a REAL state.
  51. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 11:58 am
    @Buiadh
    Right people kill people it takes time and forethought to load a gun point it at a person and pull a trigger a gun won`t do that by itself. With european logic your on your way to banning fast food because it makes people fat what happened to holding people accountable for their actions instead of childproofing the world because a few people are nuts or stupid.
  52. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    @MattPrince

    This is the problem with stats they`re bulls**t you can twist them however you like to support an opinion. The link you gave for example is deaths from guns. This includes deaths from homeowners defending their homes and other lawful uses of force. It includes suicides and even police shootings.That doesn`t really tell you much.
  53. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Prevention is better than post crime accountability is it not?
  54. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    "This is the problem with stats they`re bulls**t"

    Its not neccesarily the stats - its the interpretation. Which was the point I was trying to make about T-Marley`s one incident "rebuttal" of gun laws..
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    Are people here insinuating that a 14 year old wouldn`t understand the repercussions of shooting someone with a gun?
    How dense were you at that age?
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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    They probably deserved it.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    (Sarcasm)

    Sarah Palin and the right wing media must have said something about targeting your family if they were going to vote for a liberal

    (/Sarcasm)

    If this kid didn`t have a gun and wanted to kill his family bad enough, he could have just as easily went into the kitchen and grabbed a knife, or put some kind of poison in their food (it looks like a somewhat rural area so I`m sure he had access).
  58. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm
    Matt, DC has the strictest gun laws in the entire country, and it is number one on your own list.

    I don`t care if it isn`t a "state". Those poor bastards get the shortest end of the stick. No representation, no guns...poor guys.

    So, if you want more than one example of how gun laws are the best ideas ever, look at that.

    It is one of the few places in the country with an outright handgun ban. (Though, this was recently overturned as unconstitutional. I`m not sure if it is in effect still, or where they are in that process.)

    So...what else you got? Texas on that list is 26, Florida is 24. These are two of the least regulated states in the country. By your logic they should be in the top three.

    In Florida it is legal for an 18 year old to have a pistol loaded in his car without any permit whatsoever, as long as they carefully obey the lettering.
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    Blatto Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    Wait. He`s 14 but in 7th grade?
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    I wonder why. I`d like to hear an interview with him.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    IAB needs a "America this is why you are stupid" section

    Every other post would go in that section.
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    gbrzeatetee Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    Guns are weapons, weapons designed to kill people. Don`t blame the kid for using that weapon. What did they expect him to do with a weapon that fires bullet? If you wanted him to shoot at targets, you should have bought him a BB gun.
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    Well, see if everyone had guns then things like this wouldn`t happen because...um...the grandmother could have...killed him...first?


    Yeah! NRA 4 lyfe!
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    @ IshiiDaFishy

    Obviously the kid is a better shot than you if you have been shooting since you were eight and still haven;t killed your whole family. Maybe you need to work on your breathing or something, or politely ask them to stand still?
  65. Profile photo of Buiadh
    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    @McGovern1981 - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a rifle. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need weapons.

    I`m sure it`s cultural, and you`ll claim that it`s in your constitution, but I really don`t see the need for it. Surely the only people that need access to guns are people in the military/police and people who`s jobs require them, such as farmers and hunters. Other than that it should be very tightly controlled if you wish to own one.
  66. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    Buiadh, you are right it is cultural. We like our ability to revolt when we feel it is necessary, it is our duty to keep the power in the right hands.

    Give guns to only the people who could use them to oppress us, and you have a recipe for disaster.

    Does a 14 year old need access to a gun and its ammunition? No. But instead of treating it like some taboo object that they perceive from a reality of TV and video games, it is better to teach a child responsibility and safety with a weapon from a young age. This makes it a normal everyday object, treated with the same respect as any other tool that can cause devastating injury. Giving the kid a gun at a young age isn`t wrong, but that doesn`t mean treat them as if they are an adult with one.

    You don`t just hand your kid the keys to your `vette when they turn 16 and tell them to figure it out.
  67. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm
    GREAT! drating dumbass kid wants to play `kill my family` and he`s too young for us to kill him. so instead, we all get to pay for his prison expenses for the rest of his entire drating life. drat this kid, put a bullet in him and grab lunch at IHOP or something.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 2:28 pm
    Stupid people
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    Right people kill people it takes time and forethought to load a gun point it at a person and pull a trigger a gun won`t do that by itself. With european logic your on your way to banning fast food because it makes people fat
    Yeah, fast food isn`t specifically designed for the sole purpose of killing things. Not sure that`s a good analogy.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    Not my list T-Marley. My point was that you can`t cherry pick your cases - something you are now reflecting back at me.

    Anyway - didn`t somebody suggest previously that DC suffered from import of firearms from more lax states?
  71. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    January 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    "So banning guns will fix this lol."

    No you are probably right. Bit late now. You`re stuffed basically.

    Lets see what happens when China rules the world.
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    uunxx Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    @T-Marley how you want to revolt having just silly guns? To revolt successfully you need tanks and aircraft in your backyards, have you? Otherwise it`s just mere illusion to calm you down. Maybe some 100 years ago guns really might make you feel free, but now they are no more like sticks against modern weapons that your government has.
  73. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    Uunxx...tell that to the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. All the best military technology in the world isn`t going to stop a lightly armed irregular force that knows their terrain.

    Not to mention that if it ever got to outright hostility the armed forces themselves would be divided, and states would begin pulling their national guards for defending their own borders. It isn`t the weapons that have softened that possibility, it is the complacency that the population has acquired. Most Americans have forgotten their roles in guarding our liberties, and as the result we have the issues we are facing today.

    To Matt yes you are right that making the guns illegal increases the smuggling of weapons. Further proof that the only ones harmed by over reaching gun laws are those who abide by the laws in the first place.
  74. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    January 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    Sadly Davy I have to disagree with you on this one. You look at a gun as something designed for the sole purpose of killing.

    I look at it as something designed to save people.

    You can use a car to run someone down, or you can use it to take someone to the hospital.

    You can use a gun to rob someone, or you can use it to shoot some bastard who is raping an innocent lady.

    We debate the legality of the symptom while we are masking the symptom of why? Why is this guy raping the woman, or shooting his family, or shooting a senator. How can we catch these things sooner? How can we coordinate?

    Instead of continuously masking the symptoms, we need to dig deeper and study the disease.

    If out of 300,000,000 people, .0001% are crazy nutjobs, you are still left with 30,000 nutjobs. And that is a minute percentage.All it takes is one of those guys having one bad day to make himself a headline, with or without a gun.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    only in america
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    Anger Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 5:04 pm
    i also agree guns shouldnt be outlawed or heavily restricted. this is a sad event indeed, but if the kid really wanted to kill it could of been a knife or a bat just as easily. it seems like humanity is degrading...maybe its just the way the media portays it....
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    True enough @MattPrince, a .22 is plenty dangerous! I`m just being a stickler about accurate reporting. After the Ecole Polytechnic massacre the media kept saying ",22" for days, when in fact it was a .223 Ruger Mini-14
    Is that a picture of the kid?

    @T-Marley I don`t recall that, but it`s possible since I`ve brought the E-P Massacre up before. I agree, a .22 can be plenty lethal. It`s just less effective at penetrating skulls than a .223, eh?
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    muffalletta Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    MEDIA MEDIA MEDIA They`ll show only the exceptions until we accept them as the rule. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 21, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    @Buidh - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a stamp collection. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need stamps.

    I`m sure it`s cultural, and you`ll claim that it`s legal, but I really don`t see the need for it. Surely the only people that need access to stamps are people in the post office and people who`s jobs require them, such as mail-order brides. Other than that it should be very tightly controlled if you wish to own one.
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    Djarum Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    You sure he wasn`t smoking marijuana while he did it?

    If you remember those old `50`s anti-drug films.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    Statistically, it was bound to happen.

    5-Cats, we can almost agree on something - I want a Mini-30. The larger caliber has more penetration power and surplus rounds are cheaper and more readily available. Because when a crazy bastard is trying to run down my wife, I want as much mass behind my head-shot bullet as possible.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm
    boy they look like fine upstanding people to me! or... redneck horrible inbreed non-nice individuals..
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    MrSedgy Male 13-17
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    If my family got me a gun, I`d be grateful.

    Although if they got me something like a Justin Bieber CD I would go on a rampage. >-(
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    This happened in Colorado when I was a kid, The Killer was 17 at the time and was being molested by his mother, so he killed her. I wonder if this is the same situation.
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    Ranakamarth Male 18-29
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    January 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    @Buidh - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a stamp collection. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need stamps.
    Yeah, same point I made before, same retarded analogy as cars, fast food etc.

    Stamp collections are not designed to kill things.
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    nijd Male 18-29
    267 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    "why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself"

    wtf? why would you just believe what he said without question? That was an amazingly ignorant statement.
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    S4r4h_Pwn4g3 Female 18-29
    153 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    I don`t know how to feel about this.... Sure he was young in my opinion, but a lot of fathers give their sons guns when they are young to use for hunting only, which I see no problem with. I think the problem here may have been that the dad didn`t hide the gun when he was not using it for hunting. I for one know that I would never allow my child to use a gun for whatever reason, but that`s just how I feel about it. As I said, the problem here wasn`t that a 14 year old has a gun, it was that the parents didn`t hide the gun when the 14 year old didn`t need it. It`s still a shame what happened and I would really like to know why he killed his family.
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    CallofKtulu Male 18-29
    245 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    That is actually pretty surprising. Like the one you don`t expect to survive makes it. The grandma, who took a gunshot wound TO THE FACE, survived. Also *points to title* note: didn`t "Kill(s) Whole Family"
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
    1744 posts
    January 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm
    wait a minute, 7th grade, 14 yrs old, umm doesn`t sound like the brightest bulb in the batch there. Someone`s been held back a bit
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    lisalezah Female 18-29
    255 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 2:13 am
    SEIZURE TIME
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
    3076 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 5:29 am
    That must have been...
    put on sunglasses
    one killer party
    YEEEEEAAAAAAHHH!!!!
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 5:30 am
    shot them cause they were ugly!
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
    1364 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 5:59 am
    lol
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    DGbME Male 40-49
    451 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 6:04 am
    @ CallofKtulu: NOT surprising. they were all shot in the head (the face is part of the head). but if the `face` shot came from the side then it does not hit any vital organs (brain in this case).
    Many people trying to commit suicide put the gun under the chin and blow their face off but don`t die.
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    godthaab Male 18-29
    220 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 6:26 am
    NRA must love this poo!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36834 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 7:48 am
    Buiadh - But guns don`t kill people, right America?

    You are correct. Gun`s don not kill people.

    I`ve been around guns my whole life and not once have I seen a gun jump up in a crowded room, yell "Die MotherF**kers!" and start shooting.

    Do you blame stabbing deaths on the knife?
    Or mis-spelled words on the pencil?

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 8:08 am
    @davymid: fyi - I cut and pasted @buidh`s comment, replacing guns with stamps.
    Hey! A $250K stamp collection could lead to murder! Drug dealers have been known to use rare stamps as currency!

    @goaliegerry: Yup, the .223 has more mass & velocity, it`ll f-up anyone at close to medium range. Remeber: center-of-mass (unless they`re wearing flack-jackets) OR if you have `the drop` on them: first shot to the head, next 5 to CoM... always double tap!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 8:09 am
    I blame mis-spelled words on my cats!
    Old saying: It`s a poor painter who blames his brush.
  100. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 9:29 am
    If a gun is designed for nothing other than killing people, then why would you Europeons even want your police to have them? All they can use them for is killing people. Not once can they use them to save a life, stop a crime, or apprehend a suspect. Just killing, right?
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 10:28 am
    5 cats the picture was of Brender Spencer, a 16 yr old girl who got a gun for her Birthday and used it for a little killing spree way back in `79. It was reported as a .22 Ruger Semi-Automatic.

    She was the `inspiration` for Boomtown Rats `I don`t like Mondays`.

    @T-Marley - this happened in CA.. Doh!
  102. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 10:35 am
    T-Marley:
    Most UK policemen don`t have guns.

    I`m quite happy to let people have a gun as long as the prerequisites for them are fairly solid.

    I bring you back to: Most UK policemen don`t have guns.
  103. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 10:59 am
    I know, but you still have the equivalent of SWAT teams. Honestly I think the splash commercial for Law and Order UK put it best when they said it takes balls to chase criminals when you can`t carry a gun.

    (Got to love Martha Jones)

    It doesn`t make any sense to me, as that makes it seem like being a criminal in the UK could be a great scheme if you had but a pistol. Then again, as a relatively small island I imagine it is easier to confront smuggling.

    My point is that guns are not just used for killing people, but for protecting people as well. The same as any weapon, and just about any household object.

    Davy made it seem like anyone having a gun is a killer, because they only have something that kills. Which I see as a glass half empty point.

    But you can`t show me where anyone has ever been put in more danger because I own a gun. Anyone who passes me on the street has no idea that I even have a gun.
  104. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Ah! I knew she looked familiar! I didn`t know she got a gun for her birthday, I thought she`d just picked up one of Daddy`s guns. Thanks!

    @Baalth, that`s 1/23. oh and no longer true anyhow, since ALL police in England now carry sidearms. See there was a huge INCREASE in gun violence after they passed all those restriction, eh?
    Therefore you are 45/46 fail! (half right about 1 in 23, or however many EU countries there are, that`s not the point eh?)
  105. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Tell me Baal, what do you think of gun rights in the Middle East?

    Would the same countries over there be in the hands of dictators if the civilians were armed as well as the American civilians? Instead of the arms being centralized to the governments? Could Egypt or Iran have held to power this long with an armed populace?

    In America, private gun ownership beats Military/police ownership at 68:1.

    In Iran, the ratio is 1.6:1 military:civilian.

    You think if that ratio was tipped more in favor of the civilians we would still be looking at Ahmedinejad sitting high and mighty in Tehran?
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    panda_chaos Female 18-29
    235 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Solution:
    Keep the little f-cker in jail until he`s 18. The fry the sh-t out of him. F-ck that kid, man.
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    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 1:46 pm
    How`s that 2nd amendment working out for ya?
  108. Profile photo of furryblob
    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 1:47 pm
    Oh but guns don`t kill people, people kill people... with guns.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    .. and knives, and cars, and baseball bats, and sausages, and assorted fruits, and ropes, and tire irons, and hammers, and chainsaws, and...
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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
    256 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Easy on the knee jerk reactions. If a 16 year old were to get a car for his/her birthday and run down the entire family, are we to outlaw cars?
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
    1798 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    my god, those poor people...
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    liklepip Female 18-29
    136 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    umm most police officers still don`t carry guns in the uk?

    ++You carry a gun for protection right? from what other guns? So wouldn`t it make sense for no one to have them, there are many perfectly harmless objects that could protect you and not kill anyone in the process. the purpose of a gun is to kill something or seriously injure, an animal or human, or a human attacking you and your using it for protection doesn`t change what you are doing which is killing.

    I`m not toally against guns I just think a few of the gun laws and right in the USA are a tad bit silly. And maybe should just be used for hunting, which is also a sick but I don`t think you could ever stop that.
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    Kalon Male 13-17
    369 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    "As long as guns are legal people need guns as protection from other guns and thats final!"
    "But what ab-"
    "THATS FINAL!!!"
  114. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm
    VV but who`s going to take the guns away from the criminals? No one, that`s who.

    When someone attacks you, or invades your home, what`s more likely to make them run away? A "perfectly harmless object" or a gun?
  115. Profile photo of smithno13
    smithno13 Male 18-29
    252 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 6:33 pm
    "++You carry a gun for protection right? from what other guns? "
    Because no matter how illegal guns are, if someone wants to get a gun and shoot someone... they will.
  116. Profile photo of samidoll
    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    saintsfan, i can understand what you`re saying, but it`s not a very good analogy... not where guns are concerned. guns are meant to harm. harm for protection, harm for food, harm for fun in some cases. cars are meant to be transportation. also, you would slam on brakes, or try to, in a car. if that fails, sure you don`t outlaw cars. he didn`t know. but to pull a trigger multiple times is a conscious act.

    i am not saying that guns should be outlawed, not saying that at all. i`m saying, you have to concede that maybe some better rules about who can handle them should be implemented. kind of how you wouldn`t let a 14 yr old drive a car alone, when several, several decades ago there weren`t laws against it.

    and for that matter, seriously, what did he think would happen. he shot them all IN THE HEAD. that`s not an accident. i feel so bad for his family. what an awful senseless tragedy.
  117. Profile photo of zombieland
    zombieland Male 18-29
    418 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Holy sh*t people....

    I`m sorry but you cant just make guns go away. there`s good people and there`s bad people and there`s guns. making guns illegal or restricting ownership in anyway only keeps gun out of the hands of the good people. so....now the bad guys have gun and the good guys don`t....see the fricken problem????
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    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 10:28 pm
    It was a rifle right? So probably a hunting gun. My fiance had his own hunting rifle when he was younger than 14 and he`s never shot anyone. Wonder what was going through the boy`s head...So sad.
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    YoungOola Male 13-17
    325 posts
    January 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    Remember, people, it all starts with ignorance.
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    klobuerste Male 18-29
    7 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 8:58 am
    serves you right america
  121. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 9:16 am
    Sadly Davy I have to disagree with you on this one. You look at a gun as something designed for the sole purpose of killing.

    I look at it as something designed to save people.

    Right there is a perfect example of how gun advocacy is based on faith more than reason.

    A gun is designed for the sole purpose of killing. That is a fact. It is an object designed specifically for the purpose of propelling mass at high speed into something alive to make it dead.

    Humans being versatile creatures, it`s possible for us to use guns for purposes other than what they were designed for - a hammer, a club, another way to compete with each other. That doesn`t change their purpose.

    You`re seriously arguing that using a gun to threaten to kill people (which is what you mean by saving people) means that a gun is not designed to kill people. That is not a rational argument.
  122. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 9:27 am
    why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself

    Witness statements are not really proof of anything. They`re often useless.

    If you just want to convict someone, you`ll take a confession and go home.

    If you want to find out what happened, you`ll do the investigation properly.

    Besides, imagine this scenario:

    Police turn up, find a youth saying he killed his family.

    Case solved, everyone goes home.

    A couple of weeks later, the youth changes his story. He didn`t kill them, but he left the gun unattended in the open. When irrational with grief at the murder of his family, he blurted out the guilt he was feeling for leaving his gun out - if he had put it away, the killer couldn`t have killed his family with it.

    With your approach, that`s the end of the case. There`s no chance of a fair trial convicting him.
  123. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 9:36 am
    oh and no longer true anyhow, since ALL police in England now carry sidearms.

    No, they don`t.

    See there was a huge INCREASE in gun violence after they passed all those restriction, eh?

    No, there wasn`t.

    Your faith in gun use is leading you to state what you want to be true as if it was true. You should be wary of that.

    The 90s restrictions on gun ownership in the UK had almost no effect because guns were very rare here before the bans, with the exception of shotguns in rural areas. They were a purely political response to two heavily publicised multiple killings.

    If you want a real cause for the relatively small increase in gun violence over time in the UK, it is very obviously the USA since that`s where the gun-happy culture is seeping from.
  124. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 9:44 am
    As long as you have a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns, you are going to have multiple cases like this, plus children shooting themselves or other children without intending to kill anyone, plus stacks of corpses from people with guns losing their tempers.

    The real question is whether or not you think a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns are benefits that are worth that price. You are going to pay that price, so there`s no point arguing that a child might accidentally stab themself to death with a carving knife just as easily as they might accidentally shoot themself to death with a gun. Not that there`s any point in such a silly argument anyway, but that`s what gun advocates have to argue if they want to pretend that there are no costs to gun culture and very widespread gun ownership.
  125. Profile photo of zombieland
    zombieland Male 18-29
    418 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 10:03 am
    @ Angilion

    Really?? really? people like you make me sick
  126. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 11:10 am
    NO increase @angilion? How`s 35% Grab you? Here`s Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh? It`s not isolated, it`s been doing that (rising) since the 1997 ban.

    There are several possible causes for this:
    - UK criminals now deal with MORE black market handguns. Criminals + guns = more gun crime
    -there is an increase in gun useage in crimes world wide
    -as gangs become more violent, they use more violent methods
    & etc. The POINT is that the `gun ban` did NOT reduce `gun crime` period.

    A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it`s just not as often. Defending ones self doesn`t require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used `for self defence`, not killing, m-kay? The implied threat was there of course, but the same can be said for knife, baseball bat or e
  127. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 11:12 am
    ... or even a fist.
    (cursed counter said 914! lolz!)
  128. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    NO increase @angilion? How`s 35% Grab you? Here`s Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh?

    And here`s some relevant facts:

    i) The method used to count the crimes has changed. It now includes incidents that were not counted before because there`s no supporting evidence they happened. So, for example, the new numbers include every time someone says they thought they saw someone with a gun. Even if it was actually something else.

    ii) The figures from after the restrictions include things that weren`t illegal before the restrictions. The restrictions made more things to do with guns illegal. That was the point of the restrictions.

    iii) I did not say there had been NO increase. I said there hadn`t been a HUGE increase. The passion of your faith in guns for everyone is over-riding your ability to understand what you read.
  129. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it`s just not as often.

    Which has absolutely no relevance to what a gun is designed for, which was the point.

    I can use a computer as a doorstop. Does that mean it was designed to hold doors open?

    Defending ones self doesn`t require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used `for self defence`

    And why might it work for self defence?

    Because it was designed solely for the purpose of killing things.

    I`ve already addressed this point - it does not make any sense to arguing that threatening to kill someone with something designed to kill things means that it wasn`t designed to kill things.

    In future, please read my posts before replying to them or don`t bother replying. I don`t want to have to keep copying and pasting to remind everyone of the points you`re either ignoring or pretending don`t exist.
  130. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    (cursed counter said 914! lolz!)

    That may be a new record for IAB`s "we`ll pretend we`re going to let you post it but we`ll truncate it" limit.
  131. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 23, 2011 at 7:57 pm
    Really?? really? people like you make me sick

    What, because I don`t advocate gun ownership for everyone and pretend there`s no drawbacks at all and it will stop most crime?

    You can have your delusions if it makes you feel better. It won`t change reality.
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    Space_girl Female 18-29
    627 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 12:34 am
    ....whaaaaat?
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 4:50 am
    i like living in a country where not every idiot can own a gun.
  134. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33110 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 5:46 am
    "(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)"
    I know! My link had a long address, that`s likely why it ran over, but the counter only said 914...

    I DO understand what you`re saying @Angilion, yes guns are `designed to kill`. But sometimes killing things is a good thing! Hunting sustained humanity for thousands of years, eh? And self defense is a human right, IMHO.

    You seem to suggest that `there`s no need to hunt anymore, therefor lets ban guns` but there`s no need for stamp collections either, it`s a free world (kinda, sorta) and some people will choose to do strange things, eh?
    Like visit IAB for example...
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 7:44 am
    Well thats a fine how do you do.
  136. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 10:29 am
    Angie the point I was illustrating was not a commentary on purely the mechanical aspect of a gun. It is obvious that a gun is a weapon like any other, designed to stop your enemy from using a weapon on you. I have never advocated treating a gun without respect for its destructive capability.

    However you cannot equate the design with the intent of the user, which I suppose was the mistake I made, and the distinction I was trying to point out. There is a difference between kill and murder, but many people make the two the same thing. We all know that you find your joy in the minute details and nitpicking, so let me rephrase.

    "A gun may be designed to kill, but that does not mean it is designed for murder." There are times when you kill to save. There is a plethora of dual purpose technology out there that is only dependent on the intent of the user as to whether it causes harm or is beneficial.
  137. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 10:44 am
    I have also never said that there is no cost in having a gun culture. It is more than a cost, is is a responsibility for those who live around guns to teach and practice safe usage. This is a responsibility I feel should be taught from a young age, and if taught widely would decrease accidental gun deaths. (As shown by the numbers of children I have taught to safely shoot for an NRA/Boy Scout youth shoot, none of whom have shot up their schools yet)

    Of course this is just a "silly argument", but obviously the benefit of having a "car culture" is one that we pay the price for in auto accidents, DUIS, and vehicular homicide, however we don`t advocate getting rid of cars. But we can all agree that if there was better training when people got their driver`s license there would be fewer accidents.

    So instead of being irrational and "faith based" I believe that my opinion is pretty consistent.
  138. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    January 24, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Instead of your typical self righteous attacks on people who don`t believe what you believe Angie, why don`t you give us, in your infinite wisdom, a practical solution to the 273 million guns in this country, 99% of which are privately owned. One that doesn`t discriminate upon people who obey the law and put them at a disadvantage to those who don`t care about the law in the first place.

    You going to just ask nicely? Offer a cash for guns program? Yeah, we can afford that...

    Or can you show me where my having a gun is the cause of all (or any) of the rape, carjackings, assault (with any weapon, from a knife to a ball bat), murder, kidnapping in this great "civilized" world we live in? If so, I will gladly give mine up. If you can`t though, I would much rather have one around.

    More European haughtiness, as if Europe didn`t refine and reinvent the art of killing each other for thousands of years.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
    2377 posts
    January 25, 2011 at 4:30 pm
    that kid probably had enough of daddy touching him and grandma and auntie didn`t seem to care.

    don`t argue with the anti`s they haven`t given anything about guns any thought. they spit out rhetoric they hear on CNN
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    notjohndoe Male 18-29
    2 posts
    February 7, 2011 at 8:48 pm
    what is the big deal guys? he was just playing COD.

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