Boy Gets Gun For Birthday And Kills Whole Family

Submitted by: fancylad 6 years ago in

Well that"s gratitude for you.
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Male 2
what is the big deal guys? he was just playing COD.
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Male 2,376
that kid probably had enough of daddy touching him and grandma and auntie didn`t seem to care.

don`t argue with the anti`s they haven`t given anything about guns any thought. they spit out rhetoric they hear on CNN
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Male 602
Instead of your typical self righteous attacks on people who don`t believe what you believe Angie, why don`t you give us, in your infinite wisdom, a practical solution to the 273 million guns in this country, 99% of which are privately owned. One that doesn`t discriminate upon people who obey the law and put them at a disadvantage to those who don`t care about the law in the first place.

You going to just ask nicely? Offer a cash for guns program? Yeah, we can afford that...

Or can you show me where my having a gun is the cause of all (or any) of the rape, carjackings, assault (with any weapon, from a knife to a ball bat), murder, kidnapping in this great "civilized" world we live in? If so, I will gladly give mine up. If you can`t though, I would much rather have one around.

More European haughtiness, as if Europe didn`t refine and reinvent the art of killing each other for thousands of years.
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Male 602
I have also never said that there is no cost in having a gun culture. It is more than a cost, is is a responsibility for those who live around guns to teach and practice safe usage. This is a responsibility I feel should be taught from a young age, and if taught widely would decrease accidental gun deaths. (As shown by the numbers of children I have taught to safely shoot for an NRA/Boy Scout youth shoot, none of whom have shot up their schools yet)

Of course this is just a "silly argument", but obviously the benefit of having a "car culture" is one that we pay the price for in auto accidents, DUIS, and vehicular homicide, however we don`t advocate getting rid of cars. But we can all agree that if there was better training when people got their driver`s license there would be fewer accidents.

So instead of being irrational and "faith based" I believe that my opinion is pretty consistent.
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Male 602
Angie the point I was illustrating was not a commentary on purely the mechanical aspect of a gun. It is obvious that a gun is a weapon like any other, designed to stop your enemy from using a weapon on you. I have never advocated treating a gun without respect for its destructive capability.

However you cannot equate the design with the intent of the user, which I suppose was the mistake I made, and the distinction I was trying to point out. There is a difference between kill and murder, but many people make the two the same thing. We all know that you find your joy in the minute details and nitpicking, so let me rephrase.

"A gun may be designed to kill, but that does not mean it is designed for murder." There are times when you kill to save. There is a plethora of dual purpose technology out there that is only dependent on the intent of the user as to whether it causes harm or is beneficial.
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Male 6,694
Well thats a fine how do you do.
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Male 40,302
"(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)"
I know! My link had a long address, that`s likely why it ran over, but the counter only said 914...

I DO understand what you`re saying @Angilion, yes guns are `designed to kill`. But sometimes killing things is a good thing! Hunting sustained humanity for thousands of years, eh? And self defense is a human right, IMHO.

You seem to suggest that `there`s no need to hunt anymore, therefor lets ban guns` but there`s no need for stamp collections either, it`s a free world (kinda, sorta) and some people will choose to do strange things, eh?
Like visit IAB for example...
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Female 3,001
i like living in a country where not every idiot can own a gun.
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Female 627
....whaaaaat?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Really?? really? people like you make me sick[/quote]

What, because I don`t advocate gun ownership for everyone and pretend there`s no drawbacks at all and it will stop most crime?

You can have your delusions if it makes you feel better. It won`t change reality.
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Male 12,365
[quote](cursed counter said 914! lolz!)[/quote]

That may be a new record for IAB`s "we`ll pretend we`re going to let you post it but we`ll truncate it" limit.
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Male 12,365
[quote]A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it`s just not as often.[/quote]

Which has absolutely no relevance to what a gun is designed for, which was the point.

I can use a computer as a doorstop. Does that mean it was designed to hold doors open?

[quote]Defending ones self doesn`t require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used `for self defence`[/quote]

And why might it work for self defence?

Because it was designed solely for the purpose of killing things.

I`ve already addressed this point - it does not make any sense to arguing that threatening to kill someone with something designed to kill things means that it wasn`t designed to kill things.

In future, please read my posts before replying to them or don`t bother replying. I don`t want to have to keep copying and pasting to remind everyone of the points you`re either ignoring or pretending don`t exist.
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Male 12,365
[quote]NO increase @angilion? How`s 35% Grab you? Here`s Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh?[/quote]

And here`s some relevant facts:

i) The method used to count the crimes has changed. It now includes incidents that were not counted before because there`s no supporting evidence they happened. So, for example, the new numbers include every time someone says they thought they saw someone with a gun. Even if it was actually something else.

ii) The figures from after the restrictions include things that weren`t illegal before the restrictions. The restrictions made more things to do with guns illegal. That was the point of the restrictions.

iii) I did not say there had been NO increase. I said there hadn`t been a HUGE increase. The passion of your faith in guns for everyone is over-riding your ability to understand what you read.
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Male 40,302
... or even a fist.
(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)
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Male 40,302
NO increase @angilion? How`s 35% Grab you? Here`s Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh? It`s not isolated, it`s been doing that (rising) since the 1997 ban.

There are several possible causes for this:
- UK criminals now deal with MORE black market handguns. Criminals + guns = more gun crime
-there is an increase in gun useage in crimes world wide
-as gangs become more violent, they use more violent methods
& etc. The POINT is that the `gun ban` did NOT reduce `gun crime` period.

A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it`s just not as often. Defending ones self doesn`t require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used `for self defence`, not killing, m-kay? The implied threat was there of course, but the same can be said for knife, baseball bat or e
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Male 418
@ Angilion

Really?? really? people like you make me sick
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Male 12,365
As long as you have a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns, you are going to have multiple cases like this, plus children shooting themselves or other children without intending to kill anyone, plus stacks of corpses from people with guns losing their tempers.

The real question is whether or not you think a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns are benefits that are worth that price. You are going to pay that price, so there`s no point arguing that a child might accidentally stab themself to death with a carving knife just as easily as they might accidentally shoot themself to death with a gun. Not that there`s any point in such a silly argument anyway, but that`s what gun advocates have to argue if they want to pretend that there are no costs to gun culture and very widespread gun ownership.
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Male 12,365
[quote]oh and no longer true anyhow, since ALL police in England now carry sidearms.[/quote]

No, they don`t.

[quote]See there was a huge INCREASE in gun violence after they passed all those restriction, eh? [/quote]

No, there wasn`t.

Your faith in gun use is leading you to state what you want to be true as if it was true. You should be wary of that.

The 90s restrictions on gun ownership in the UK had almost no effect because guns were very rare here before the bans, with the exception of shotguns in rural areas. They were a purely political response to two heavily publicised multiple killings.

If you want a real cause for the relatively small increase in gun violence over time in the UK, it is very obviously the USA since that`s where the gun-happy culture is seeping from.
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Male 12,365
[quote]why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself[/quote]

Witness statements are not really proof of anything. They`re often useless.

If you just want to convict someone, you`ll take a confession and go home.

If you want to find out what happened, you`ll do the investigation properly.

Besides, imagine this scenario:

Police turn up, find a youth saying he killed his family.

Case solved, everyone goes home.

A couple of weeks later, the youth changes his story. He didn`t kill them, but he left the gun unattended in the open. When irrational with grief at the murder of his family, he blurted out the guilt he was feeling for leaving his gun out - if he had put it away, the killer couldn`t have killed his family with it.

With your approach, that`s the end of the case. There`s no chance of a fair trial convicting him.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Sadly Davy I have to disagree with you on this one. You look at a gun as something designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I look at it as something designed to save people.[/quote]

Right there is a perfect example of how gun advocacy is based on faith more than reason.

A gun is designed for the sole purpose of killing. That is a fact. It is an object designed specifically for the purpose of propelling mass at high speed into something alive to make it dead.

Humans being versatile creatures, it`s possible for us to use guns for purposes other than what they were designed for - a hammer, a club, another way to compete with each other. That doesn`t change their purpose.

You`re seriously arguing that using a gun to threaten to kill people (which is what you mean by saving people) means that a gun is not designed to kill people. That is not a rational argument.
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Male 7
serves you right america
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Male 325
Remember, people, it all starts with ignorance.
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Female 1,515
It was a rifle right? So probably a hunting gun. My fiance had his own hunting rifle when he was younger than 14 and he`s never shot anyone. Wonder what was going through the boy`s head...So sad.
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Male 418
Holy sh*t people....

I`m sorry but you cant just make guns go away. there`s good people and there`s bad people and there`s guns. making guns illegal or restricting ownership in anyway only keeps gun out of the hands of the good people. so....now the bad guys have gun and the good guys don`t....see the fricken problem????
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Female 614
saintsfan, i can understand what you`re saying, but it`s not a very good analogy... not where guns are concerned. guns are meant to harm. harm for protection, harm for food, harm for fun in some cases. cars are meant to be transportation. also, you would slam on brakes, or try to, in a car. if that fails, sure you don`t outlaw cars. he didn`t know. but to pull a trigger multiple times is a conscious act.

i am not saying that guns should be outlawed, not saying that at all. i`m saying, you have to concede that maybe some better rules about who can handle them should be implemented. kind of how you wouldn`t let a 14 yr old drive a car alone, when several, several decades ago there weren`t laws against it.

and for that matter, seriously, what did he think would happen. he shot them all IN THE HEAD. that`s not an accident. i feel so bad for his family. what an awful senseless tragedy.
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Male 252
"++You carry a gun for protection right? from what other guns? "
Because no matter how illegal guns are, if someone wants to get a gun and shoot someone... they will.
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Male 40,302
VV but who`s going to take the guns away from the criminals? No one, that`s who.

When someone attacks you, or invades your home, what`s more likely to make them run away? A "perfectly harmless object" or a gun?
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Male 369
"As long as guns are legal people need guns as protection from other guns and thats final!"
"But what ab-"
"THATS FINAL!!!"
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Female 136
umm most police officers still don`t carry guns in the uk?

++You carry a gun for protection right? from what other guns? So wouldn`t it make sense for no one to have them, there are many perfectly harmless objects that could protect you and not kill anyone in the process. the purpose of a gun is to kill something or seriously injure, an animal or human, or a human attacking you and your using it for protection doesn`t change what you are doing which is killing.

I`m not toally against guns I just think a few of the gun laws and right in the USA are a tad bit silly. And maybe should just be used for hunting, which is also a sick but I don`t think you could ever stop that.
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Female 1,798
my god, those poor people...
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Male 256
Easy on the knee jerk reactions. If a 16 year old were to get a car for his/her birthday and run down the entire family, are we to outlaw cars?
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Male 40,302
.. and knives, and cars, and baseball bats, and sausages, and assorted fruits, and ropes, and tire irons, and hammers, and chainsaws, and...
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Male 573
Oh but guns don`t kill people, people kill people... with guns.
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Male 573
How`s that 2nd amendment working out for ya?
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Female 235
Solution:
Keep the little f-cker in jail until he`s 18. The fry the sh-t out of him. F-ck that kid, man.
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Male 602
Tell me Baal, what do you think of gun rights in the Middle East?

Would the same countries over there be in the hands of dictators if the civilians were armed as well as the American civilians? Instead of the arms being centralized to the governments? Could Egypt or Iran have held to power this long with an armed populace?

In America, private gun ownership beats Military/police ownership at 68:1.

In Iran, the ratio is 1.6:1 military:civilian.

You think if that ratio was tipped more in favor of the civilians we would still be looking at Ahmedinejad sitting high and mighty in Tehran?
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Male 40,302
Ah! I knew she looked familiar! I didn`t know she got a gun for her birthday, I thought she`d just picked up one of Daddy`s guns. Thanks!

@Baalth, that`s 1/23. oh and no longer true anyhow, since ALL police in England now carry sidearms. See there was a huge INCREASE in gun violence after they passed all those restriction, eh?
Therefore you are 45/46 fail! (half right about 1 in 23, or however many EU countries there are, that`s not the point eh?)
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Male 602
I know, but you still have the equivalent of SWAT teams. Honestly I think the splash commercial for Law and Order UK put it best when they said it takes balls to chase criminals when you can`t carry a gun.

(Got to love Martha Jones)

It doesn`t make any sense to me, as that makes it seem like being a criminal in the UK could be a great scheme if you had but a pistol. Then again, as a relatively small island I imagine it is easier to confront smuggling.

My point is that guns are not just used for killing people, but for protecting people as well. The same as any weapon, and just about any household object.

Davy made it seem like anyone having a gun is a killer, because they only have something that kills. Which I see as a glass half empty point.

But you can`t show me where anyone has ever been put in more danger because I own a gun. Anyone who passes me on the street has no idea that I even have a gun.
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Male 4,546
T-Marley:
Most UK policemen don`t have guns.

I`m quite happy to let people have a gun as long as the prerequisites for them are fairly solid.

I bring you back to: Most UK policemen don`t have guns.
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Male 2,220
5 cats the picture was of Brender Spencer, a 16 yr old girl who got a gun for her Birthday and used it for a little killing spree way back in `79. It was reported as a .22 Ruger Semi-Automatic.

She was the `inspiration` for Boomtown Rats `I don`t like Mondays`.

@T-Marley - this happened in CA.. Doh!
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Male 602
If a gun is designed for nothing other than killing people, then why would you Europeons even want your police to have them? All they can use them for is killing people. Not once can they use them to save a life, stop a crime, or apprehend a suspect. Just killing, right?
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Male 40,302
I blame mis-spelled words on my cats!
Old saying: It`s a poor painter who blames his brush.
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Male 40,302
@davymid: fyi - I cut and pasted @buidh`s comment, replacing guns with stamps.
Hey! A $250K stamp collection could lead to murder! Drug dealers have been known to use rare stamps as currency!

@goaliegerry: Yup, the .223 has more mass & velocity, it`ll f-up anyone at close to medium range. Remeber: center-of-mass (unless they`re wearing flack-jackets) OR if you have `the drop` on them: first shot to the head, next 5 to CoM... always double tap!
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Male 39,556
Buiadh - [quote]But guns don`t kill people, right America?[/quote]

You are correct. Gun`s don not kill people.

I`ve been around guns my whole life and not once have I seen a gun jump up in a crowded room, yell "Die MotherF**kers!" and start shooting.

Do you blame stabbing deaths on the knife?
Or mis-spelled words on the pencil?

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Male 220
NRA must love this poo!
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Male 451
@ CallofKtulu: NOT surprising. they were all shot in the head (the face is part of the head). but if the `face` shot came from the side then it does not hit any vital organs (brain in this case).
Many people trying to commit suicide put the gun under the chin and blow their face off but don`t die.
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Male 1,364
lol
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Male 1,360
shot them cause they were ugly!
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Male 3,076
That must have been...
[quote]put on sunglasses[/quote]
one killer party
YEEEEEAAAAAAHHH!!!!
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Female 255
SEIZURE TIME
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Male 1,744
wait a minute, 7th grade, 14 yrs old, umm doesn`t sound like the brightest bulb in the batch there. Someone`s been held back a bit
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Male 245
That is actually pretty surprising. Like the one you don`t expect to survive makes it. The grandma, who took a gunshot wound TO THE FACE, survived. Also *points to title* note: didn`t "Kill(s) Whole Family"
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Female 153
I don`t know how to feel about this.... Sure he was young in my opinion, but a lot of fathers give their sons guns when they are young to use for hunting only, which I see no problem with. I think the problem here may have been that the dad didn`t hide the gun when he was not using it for hunting. I for one know that I would never allow my child to use a gun for whatever reason, but that`s just how I feel about it. As I said, the problem here wasn`t that a 14 year old has a gun, it was that the parents didn`t hide the gun when the 14 year old didn`t need it. It`s still a shame what happened and I would really like to know why he killed his family.
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Male 267
"why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself"

wtf? why would you just believe what he said without question? That was an amazingly ignorant statement.
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Male 12,138
[quote]@Buidh - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a stamp collection. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need stamps. [/quote]
Yeah, same point I made before, same retarded analogy as cars, fast food etc.

Stamp collections are not designed to kill things.
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Male 294
why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself
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Male 3,431
This happened in Colorado when I was a kid, The Killer was 17 at the time and was being molested by his mother, so he killed her. I wonder if this is the same situation.
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Male 3
If my family got me a gun, I`d be grateful.

Although if they got me something like a Justin Bieber CD I would go on a rampage. >-(
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Male 718
boy they look like fine upstanding people to me! or... redneck horrible inbreed non-nice individuals..
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Male 4,014
Statistically, it was bound to happen.

5-Cats, we can almost agree on something - I want a Mini-30. The larger caliber has more penetration power and surplus rounds are cheaper and more readily available. Because when a crazy bastard is trying to run down my wife, I want as much mass behind my head-shot bullet as possible.
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Male 307
You sure he wasn`t smoking marijuana while he did it?

If you remember those old `50`s anti-drug films.
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Male 40,302
@Buidh - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a stamp collection. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need stamps.

I`m sure it`s cultural, and you`ll claim that it`s legal, but I really don`t see the need for it. Surely the only people that need access to stamps are people in the post office and people who`s jobs require them, such as mail-order brides. Other than that it should be very tightly controlled if you wish to own one.
[/sarc]
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Male 543
MEDIA MEDIA MEDIA They`ll show only the exceptions until we accept them as the rule. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Male 40,302
True enough @MattPrince, a .22 is plenty dangerous! I`m just being a stickler about accurate reporting. After the Ecole Polytechnic massacre the media kept saying ",22" for days, when in fact it was a .223 Ruger Mini-14
Is that a picture of the kid?

@T-Marley I don`t recall that, but it`s possible since I`ve brought the E-P Massacre up before. I agree, a .22 can be plenty lethal. It`s just less effective at penetrating skulls than a .223, eh?
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Male 218
i also agree guns shouldnt be outlawed or heavily restricted. this is a sad event indeed, but if the kid really wanted to kill it could of been a knife or a bat just as easily. it seems like humanity is degrading...maybe its just the way the media portays it....
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Male 2,516
only in america
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Male 602
Sadly Davy I have to disagree with you on this one. You look at a gun as something designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I look at it as something designed to save people.

You can use a car to run someone down, or you can use it to take someone to the hospital.

You can use a gun to rob someone, or you can use it to shoot some bastard who is raping an innocent lady.

We debate the legality of the symptom while we are masking the symptom of why? Why is this guy raping the woman, or shooting his family, or shooting a senator. How can we catch these things sooner? How can we coordinate?

Instead of continuously masking the symptoms, we need to dig deeper and study the disease.

If out of 300,000,000 people, .0001% are crazy nutjobs, you are still left with 30,000 nutjobs. And that is a minute percentage.All it takes is one of those guys having one bad day to make himself a headline, with or without a gun.
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Male 602
Uunxx...tell that to the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. All the best military technology in the world isn`t going to stop a lightly armed irregular force that knows their terrain.

Not to mention that if it ever got to outright hostility the armed forces themselves would be divided, and states would begin pulling their national guards for defending their own borders. It isn`t the weapons that have softened that possibility, it is the complacency that the population has acquired. Most Americans have forgotten their roles in guarding our liberties, and as the result we have the issues we are facing today.

To Matt yes you are right that making the guns illegal increases the smuggling of weapons. Further proof that the only ones harmed by over reaching gun laws are those who abide by the laws in the first place.
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Male 120
@T-Marley how you want to revolt having just silly guns? To revolt successfully you need tanks and aircraft in your backyards, have you? Otherwise it`s just mere illusion to calm you down. Maybe some 100 years ago guns really might make you feel free, but now they are no more like sticks against modern weapons that your government has.
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Male 2,220
"So banning guns will fix this lol."

No you are probably right. Bit late now. You`re stuffed basically.

Lets see what happens when China rules the world.
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Male 2,220
Not my list T-Marley. My point was that you can`t cherry pick your cases - something you are now reflecting back at me.

Anyway - didn`t somebody suggest previously that DC suffered from import of firearms from more lax states?
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Male 12,138
[quote]Right people kill people it takes time and forethought to load a gun point it at a person and pull a trigger a gun won`t do that by itself. With european logic your on your way to banning fast food because it makes people fat[/quote]
Yeah, fast food isn`t specifically designed for the sole purpose of killing things. Not sure that`s a good analogy.
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Male 25,417
Stupid people
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Male 4,793
GREAT! drating dumbass kid wants to play `kill my family` and he`s too young for us to kill him. so instead, we all get to pay for his prison expenses for the rest of his entire drating life. drat this kid, put a bullet in him and grab lunch at IHOP or something.
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Male 602
Buiadh, you are right it is cultural. We like our ability to revolt when we feel it is necessary, it is our duty to keep the power in the right hands.

Give guns to only the people who could use them to oppress us, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Does a 14 year old need access to a gun and its ammunition? No. But instead of treating it like some taboo object that they perceive from a reality of TV and video games, it is better to teach a child responsibility and safety with a weapon from a young age. This makes it a normal everyday object, treated with the same respect as any other tool that can cause devastating injury. Giving the kid a gun at a young age isn`t wrong, but that doesn`t mean treat them as if they are an adult with one.

You don`t just hand your kid the keys to your `vette when they turn 16 and tell them to figure it out.
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Male 6,737
@McGovern1981 - My point is that a 14 year old does not need a rifle. Most average citizens in the developed world do not need weapons.

I`m sure it`s cultural, and you`ll claim that it`s in your constitution, but I really don`t see the need for it. Surely the only people that need access to guns are people in the military/police and people who`s jobs require them, such as farmers and hunters. Other than that it should be very tightly controlled if you wish to own one.
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Male 2,033
@ IshiiDaFishy

Obviously the kid is a better shot than you if you have been shooting since you were eight and still haven;t killed your whole family. Maybe you need to work on your breathing or something, or politely ask them to stand still?
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Male 2,033
Well, see if everyone had guns then things like this wouldn`t happen because...um...the grandmother could have...killed him...first?


Yeah! NRA 4 lyfe!
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Male 174
Guns are weapons, weapons designed to kill people. Don`t blame the kid for using that weapon. What did they expect him to do with a weapon that fires bullet? If you wanted him to shoot at targets, you should have bought him a BB gun.
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Male 10,440
[quote] IAB needs a "America this is why you are stupid" section [/quote]

Every other post would go in that section.
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Male 3,894
I wonder why. I`d like to hear an interview with him.
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Male 358
Wait. He`s 14 but in 7th grade?
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Male 602
Matt, DC has the strictest gun laws in the entire country, and it is number one on your own list.

I don`t care if it isn`t a "state". Those poor bastards get the shortest end of the stick. No representation, no guns...poor guys.

So, if you want more than one example of how gun laws are the best ideas ever, look at that.

It is one of the few places in the country with an outright handgun ban. (Though, this was recently overturned as unconstitutional. I`m not sure if it is in effect still, or where they are in that process.)

So...what else you got? Texas on that list is 26, Florida is 24. These are two of the least regulated states in the country. By your logic they should be in the top three.

In Florida it is legal for an 18 year old to have a pistol loaded in his car without any permit whatsoever, as long as they carefully obey the lettering.
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Male 237
(Sarcasm)

Sarah Palin and the right wing media must have said something about targeting your family if they were going to vote for a liberal

(/Sarcasm)

If this kid didn`t have a gun and wanted to kill his family bad enough, he could have just as easily went into the kitchen and grabbed a knife, or put some kind of poison in their food (it looks like a somewhat rural area so I`m sure he had access).
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Male 171
They probably deserved it.
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Male 975
Are people here insinuating that a 14 year old wouldn`t understand the repercussions of shooting someone with a gun?
How dense were you at that age?
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Male 2,220
"This is the problem with stats they`re bulls**t"

Its not neccesarily the stats - its the interpretation. Which was the point I was trying to make about T-Marley`s one incident "rebuttal" of gun laws..
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Male 2,220
Prevention is better than post crime accountability is it not?
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Male 14,331
@MattPrince

This is the problem with stats they`re bulls**t you can twist them however you like to support an opinion. The link you gave for example is deaths from guns. This includes deaths from homeowners defending their homes and other lawful uses of force. It includes suicides and even police shootings.That doesn`t really tell you much.
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Male 14,331
@Buiadh
Right people kill people it takes time and forethought to load a gun point it at a person and pull a trigger a gun won`t do that by itself. With european logic your on your way to banning fast food because it makes people fat what happened to holding people accountable for their actions instead of childproofing the world because a few people are nuts or stupid.
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Male 2,220
Yeah I know DC - dammit - that isn`t a REAL state.
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Male 2,220
OK T-marley, 1 incident is not a statiscical sample, how about comparing the annual death rate due to guns between California and Alaksa.

Do you understand now?
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Male 772
Gun control... gun... control... stupid stuff like this happens all too frequently in the US :P
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Male 773
I`ve been shooting since I was about 8..the only difference between me and this kid is that obviously this kid did NOT take any training at all.
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Male 602
5cats, haven`t we gone through this before?

Just because a .22 is a small caliber does not make it any less lethal. It has an extremely high velocity and is lethal for up to a mile from the barrel.

A .22 will bounce around inside your head, or your belly several times from bone to bone. This makes it in some ways even more deadly than a larger caliber that will have the power to go through bone and out the other side.

Not to mention point blank range on unsuspecting targets...

And if anyone wants to go to the gun law debate, explain to me the kid who took a loaded handgun in to his LA school not even two weeks ago and wounded two people. If the state with the strictest gun laws, in the city with even stricter gun laws than the state, has this problem, are more laws going to help?
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Male 2,220
5cats really?

A .22 LR bullet is far less powerful than larger cartridges, but dangerous nonetheless; in fact its deceptive "low-power" reputation can make it more dangerous because some shooters do not pay it the same respect as larger cartridges, and shoot it carelessly. It can easily kill or severely injure humans and large animals."

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Male 6,737
But guns don`t kill people, right America?
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Male 257
at least he`s a good shot. HEAD SHOT, HEAD SHOT, HEAD SHOT !!!
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Male 40,302
Sad story, messed up kid.
Probaly not a ".22" but a ".223" which is a military grade weapon. It`s hard to kill stuff with a .22! But a .223 does the trick.
Also: one survived? Single bullet to the head? Don`t forget: double tap!
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Male 483
I BOUGHT my first 22 rifle when I was 14 from money I made working on a golf course.

I have never once considered going on a killing spree of any kind. The only time I`ve had to use it was in self defense (a man broke into my house when I was 16 and I was home alone) and even then, I didn`t need to shoot it. My point is, the kid is a mess. The age has little to do with it.
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Male 2,988
"And the next thing I know the cy-reens was out there"

classic
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Male 5,413
Well... why would you give a kid a gun?
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Male 566
If you give a 7th grader a deadly firearm, maybe make sure he`s not pissed off at you first.
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Male 9
@fancylad, I had a similar experience with a lizard on a rock.
Sounds to me like the kid just snapped. Probably due to abuse. Why, though, do all the family member photos look like mug-shots? God bless America, indeed...
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Male 14,331
@Fancy
Oh ya well when I was 10 I got a Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle but all I killed was glass bottles.(actually didn`t get that model but did get a BB gun)
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Male 14,331
Hmmm I guess I didn`t say that clearly down below what I mean is if you can`t tell that`s wrong at that age you`ve got serious issues.I blame bad punctuation here....

"Really people!!!!! When you were in 7th grade you couldn`t comprehend what murder and death are!?!?!?! The problem lies in this kid not guns."

k I think that makes a bit more sense now.
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Male 532
Well it`s a good thing they didn`t buy the kid a box of condoms or they really would have been drated! (Sidenote:I actually typed in the word drated, why let the profanity filter have all the fun?)
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Male 247
@Frankii--Yep. You completely missed my point. And I expected that.
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Female 843
There had to be something going on in that house. Maybe the family treated him like poo when no one else was around. Could be why he felt like the guy being interviewed was a second father. Or maybe his dad was pressuring him into hunting and the kid didn`t want to.

Or maybe the kid was just psychotic...
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Male 20,827
True story: I got a Daisy pump-action BB rifle for Christmas when I was about 12. First shot, Christmas morning, I fired a random BB at a palm tree in my back yard, about 50 yards away. Killed a sparrow-like bird. Felt bad, never fired it again. FML.
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Male 89
Should have saved a bullet for himself.
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Male 55
@prettymaryk - completely agree.

If you`re taught that it`s wrong to bully when you`re about 4, you should know it`s wrong to blow your own dad`s face off with a gun in 7th grade.
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Male 288
Weeding out the dummies! Im guessing that the Dad got what he deserved.
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Female 437
@wheresmyskul You can argue that the problem lies with the people but the fact is that if the kid didn`t have a gun he couldn`t have shot them. Can`t argue with that.
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Male 1,598
That`s pretty messed up. I don`t care how old you are. You do something wrong you should be held accountable and charged the same regardless of age.
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Female 74
@McGovern- I`m pretty sure that when I was in 7th grade I had a comprehension of murder. Yes, the kid is sick, but he knew what he was doing. Maybe if he was in 3rd grade, the story would be different.
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Male 1,011
@ Xiq
Me too

@collegebound
You`re an idiot.
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Male 39,556
[quote]his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult. [/quote]

The dad`s an idiot who paid for his stupidity.

But the kid is still a kid... NOT an adult. The law says he does not have the faculties to even drive so how can we expect him to make life and death decisions with all the competance of an adult?

Yes, he should be punished, but not according tot he standards of an adult.

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Male 14,331
vv Pretty sure that`s what I was saying.
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Male 2,690
@McGovern1981: You must think most people were some pretty stupid 7th graders. 14 yrs old=8th/9th grader by the way. By the time I was in 4th grade I had a very good comprehension of murder/death, and i`m nothing special.
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Female 138
-Sigh- You cant just give kids guns anymore. Its not like its the 19xx where people gave their kids BB guns to their kids for Christmas and they went out shooting birds and rabbits.
Nerf. We have Nerf guns.
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Male 2,549
Oh Jesus, that kid is not well. That kid needed help.
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Male 14,331
Really people when you were in 7th grade you couldn`t comprehend what murder and death are. The problem lies in this kid not guns.
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Male 14,331
@Angelmassb

Last time I checked you also lived in an America. One that allows drug cartels to be more armed than it`s citizen and also has had it`s own police to beat and kill street children you may want to consider your countries own problems before critiszing others.
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Male 247
Most of these comments here reveal people`s ignorance of the issue of gun ownership. You folks just go on and hide from "bad people with guns", and wait for the authorities to protect you. Be sure to hide under the bed or the desk.
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Male 639
South Carolinians should be allowed to say c()ck. It`s our mascot.
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Male 639
In case anyone couldn`t figure it out, South Carolina. GO roosterS!!!
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Male 758
Sonofab|tch...that`s South Carolina for you. I live maybe an hour away from Spartanburg.
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Male 15,510
Only in America
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Male 2,422
I got a .22 when I was 10. I didn`t kill anyone.
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Male 886
Yes, giving children weapons is the smart thing to do.

I mean, what if WWIII started tomorrow and snot nosed emotionally unstable junior is the only one who can save us by skillfully using his rifle.

I do not feel any pity for that family. They chose to give their son a rifle and ammo at an age that obviously isn`t ready for the responsiblity of a weapon.

Idiots.
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Male 3,745
"well if his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult. his dad treated him like he knew better, why shouldn`t everyone else?"

because common sence should tell you that giving a gun to a kid is a stupid idea...you are practically ASKING and/or MAKING him use it on someone...if he hadn`t used it on his family he would have used it on another kid at school or something...IAB needs a "America this is why you are stupid" section....
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Male 704
There was something going on there, for him to snap like that.
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Male 171
Stupid, stupid people... Why would you give a gun to a 7th grader?
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Male 36
well if his dad thought he was old enough to know better then i think that the kid should be tried as an adult. his dad treated him like he knew better, why shouldn`t everyone else?
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Male 36
and everyone is going to blame it on the gun.
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Male 4,680
LET THE GUN LAW ARGUMENT... BEGIN!!!
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Male 39,556
I think it`s wrong to try children as adults.
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Male 20,827
Link: Boy Gets Gun For Birthday And Kills Whole Family [Rate Link] - Well that`s gratitude for you.
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