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    Kim... Female 13-17
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Link: NRA, USA, A-OK: Weapons For Everyone! - Where else but in America would a country spend so much time and effort in equal destruction rights for everyone?
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:21 am
    hey, it`s my RIGHT to arm bears!!!!
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Really ?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:27 am
    It’s a quadriplegic hunting rig. What’s the big deal? Lots of people like to hunt.
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    JumboCookie Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:29 am
    lol that`s white trash for ya
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    pennyroyal3 Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:34 am
    Meh. Criminals will always have access to guns, legal or not. I`m happy to live in a place where citizens have the right to legally obtain a gun. My husband and I live in not-the-best area since we are young and starting out (he`s military) and I find it comforting that he has a gun here. I hope we never need it, but it is comforting.
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    pennyroyal3 Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Further, many of the crimes you hear about on the news could have been prevented if someone had a gun to defend themselves. The ultra-libs don`t have them and then wonder who is going to protect them when poo goes down and the police aren`t around.
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    stumpen Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:37 am
    You could legaly have gun in most countrys, And a lot of people like to hunt so I think you could get a rig like that in almost every western ountry but the differenc is that the US weelchair-hunters ned to pay for it
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:56 am
    That...doesn`t seem safe. I`ve never personally fired a gun, but couldn`t it flip her over if it`s strong enough?
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    donthaveone Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:58 am
    "lol that`s white trash for ya"

    Yup, LOL Just as bad as ignorant yuppies.

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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:59 am
    The best part of the whole rig is the live view scope.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:04 am
    Go! Go! Gadget Wheelchair!
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:12 am
    "reloading is a bitch"
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    IseeingI2I Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:14 am
    ok so a quadriplegic wants to hunt good for her

    kim and jumbocookie got some serious bad juju for insulting a quadriplegic

    @sidewys i take it you`ve never tried to lift the style wheelchair shes in not even a elephant rifle could flip that thing and it does have small wheels on the back its actually really cool you can pop wheelies and stuff

    also how do we know this is in america? seriously is america the only country that has guns and hunts? has every other country just killed off all of their game already?
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:17 am
    Sidewyx8, no, the force required to flip her over couldn`t be delivered by the weapon shown. F=MA, where F is force, M is mass, and A is acceleration :) Sorry, I`m a physics geek.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:27 am
    Never teach a woman to shoot a gun, well at least not my wife...
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:32 am
    America is just the only country with a hard on this strong for guns.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:43 am
    if you make it criminal for quadriplegics to own guns, only criminal quadriplegics will own them.

    The good news is that if you outflank them, you can get access to the battery lead on their electric wheelchair and immobilize them. :)
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    Sathon Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:48 am
    BoredFrank, Newton`s third law says that the force propelling the bullet would have an equal but opposite force that would probably act as a torque with the axis of rotation being the back wheel, acting on the spot where the gun is attached to the wheelchair.

    Therefore in order to know if it is enough to flip her over, you`d have to know the caliber and muzzle velocity of the gun and the moment of inertia of the woman and her chair.

    Although I`m assuming the wheel is locked in some way to prevent that from happening in the first place.

    :) Sorry, I`m a second year physics major in university.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:48 am
    I like all these people saying she just wants to hunt. As if you can actually hunt anything in a wheelchair unless it`s placed right in front of you. It must be a very well-maintained and paved forest you go hunting in, with some very still and patient animals.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:51 am
    Does one really have a right to bear arms, if they can`t technically `bear` their own?

    Sometimes I long for the anonymity of 4chan, so I can write dick comments such as these and not feel as bad... I hate guns, though. Seriously.
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    Hudini12345 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:54 am
    >I hate guns, though. Seriously.
    >Jane Fonda pic
    confirmed retard/leftist
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:05 am
    Yeah it`s important that parapalegics can kill an animal. Gotta earn that right to have somebody wipe your ass.
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    Neyro Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:18 am
    You know, I don`t think anyone dragged her out there and told her that she had to do that.

    Props to her for giving it a try despite her disability. Also, unless its like a 20mm cannon, I doubt it would knock her over.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:18 am
    Sathon: You`re absolutely right, but you missed that a locked wheel would only increase the probability of the chair tipping over. ;)
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:19 am

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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:23 am
    She`s very pretty - maybe she needs the protection - I mean, she`s kind of a sitting duck there.
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    NDLOgan Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:26 am
    I`m assuming she can`t eat solid foods anyway, so she probably can`t eat whatever she might hit (a cat, a pigeon). I agree with Dixxy. If you can`t physically bear arms, then there isn`t any point in that Amendment for you is there?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:33 am
    sidewyz8-“ but couldn`t it flip her over if it`s strong enough?”

    That powerchair weighs at least 300lbs. The recoil from that gun might, MIGHT cause that chair to settle a little more on the rear castors (not shown, but located behind the main drive wheels).

    madest, First, she is a quadriplegic, not a parapalegic. Secondly, you are a dratin idiot. It could be that she was an avid hunter before an accident left her in a chair. Should she give up her rights?

    What other rights do you want to deny anyone who’s paralyzed? My niece (who is in a wheelchair) was just married this past Saturday (to a gentleman who is also in a wheelchair). Would you like to deny them their marriage?

    Got a great idea madest…why don’t you remove yourself from the genepool?

    NDLOgan-“I`m assuming she can`t eat solid foods anyway”

    Why the hell would you assume that? The majority of quadriplegic have the ability t
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    AntiCool88 Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:51 am
    all the Posts today includes weapons...whats the deal????
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    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:55 am
    MeGrendel = Awesome
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    EntrE Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:08 am
    It`s the most BS and outdated "right" anyway. take those killing machines away from her before she puts another person in a wheelchair!
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    SlimPickins Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:10 am
    um, a country where no matter what your physical status is you have the same right as everyone else. plus, this technically makes here a combat ready cyborg. right? like a terminator.
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    SlimPickins Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:13 am





    plus, these are bear arms.
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    BigMordecai Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:30 am
    O I know Switzerland.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:33 am
    "It`s the most BS and outdated "right" anyway. take those killing machines away from her before she puts another person in a wheelchair!"

    its not like she can move...C WUHT I DID THAR?

    no but really guns and making fun of paraplegics is wrong m`kay?
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    simpletools Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:34 am
    For those who think it might flip her over. It`s a 22 calibre rifle. Those things barely have any recoil to begin with. For those who say bad guys will always get guns. Lots of countries have very strict gun laws and way less gun violence than the U.S. What people tend to forget is that most of those guns the bad guys are getting, used to belong to someone legally. Also, most gun violence in the U.S. is committed using a legally obtained firearm. i.e. jealous spouse, kid that got bullied in school, Japanese exchange student dressed as John Travolta on Halloween. Ring any bells?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:36 am
    EntrE-"It`s the most BS and outdated "right" anyway."

    The only BS is that statement.

    EntrE-"take those killing machines away "

    Will hold that true for ALL `killing machines`? Cars? Knives? Frozen Turkeys?

    Why not just `take away` anything more deadly than those particular `killing machines`? Say Tobacco, Poor Diet, Alcohol, Microbial Agents, Toxins, Prescription Drugs and stupidity just to name a few that have killed more than `dem dangerous gunz`.

    Lets make it simple. You can not `uninvent` the gun. You can not keep them out of the hands of criminals (go ahead, make it against the law...the call them `criminals` for a reason). But YOU would take them from law abiding citizens? Why? Are you so afriad of an inanimate object? Are do people who ARE NOT afriad of inanimate object (such as the lady in the picture) make you feel inadequate?
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Kind of like a Dalek, except daleks aren`t really disabled.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Grendel - average citizens shouldn`t need guns, if they do then their `civilisation` has fecked up.

    Recreational use - well if you need to kill something to feel good about yourself - what does that say?
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:45 am
    MeGrendal, there really is no need for civillians to have guns freely avaiable. If shooting is your bag then it can easily be done through official and regulated clubs and organisations. At least this would help to prevent guns getting into irresponsible hands (probably most of the civillian population really)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:49 am
    @simpletools
    When a gun "used" to belong to someone legally that would make it illegal you can`t regulate the black market. As for crime going down sounds like somone playing with stats there`s other that say the contrary while your at it ban all sharp objects.

    @DixxyRarr
    You don`t have to own one then but you probably want to ban them forcing your opinions down the throat of those that already abide the law and accomplishing nothing in the black market.
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    deathbringer Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    I don`t care if it`s "just a 22," that will still punch a hole through an arm...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    @spanerbulb & MattPrince

    Ya sure cause the 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.By this logic the more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.



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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    I find that most people who feel so strongly against guns have never been properly educated on them, or used them in their own life, therefore they fear them. Most just form opinions based on scare tactics used by the media. Sure they like to show us every gun related crime, but it is rare that you see the stories of people who saved their life, or someone else`s life with a weapon.

    Firearms are a part of American culture ingrained into our society from the birth of our nation. There are too many guns in the US for any ban or regulation to work, and regulation only breeds more power for the gov`t.

    As long as someone is willing to use a gun to force their will on another, I am more than happy to have my gun to force them to stop. The defender can never put down their arms first. And we are all the last line of defense for our constitution.

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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    @T-Marley educated and well put.
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    oOFELIXOo Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    Obviously you`ve never shot a 22 then. A 22 will NOT punch a whole through your arm. I own a .22 and a 30.06 (or 7.62 round)....a .22 is like shooting a BB gun practically lol. My mosin nagant on the other hand....
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    schtevo Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Easy fellas. Look more carefully and you`ll notice that is an apparatus for disabled people to be able to target shoot. She is making micro adjustments to her aim via a "Sip and Puff" which is the same device that people without the use of their hands utilize for controlling their chairs. There is a camera in the scope which shows the crosshairs on a small screen. This particular apparatus was designed by a few sportsmen at their own expense, to help disabled people, especially wounded veterans to be able to enjoy the shooting sports as they used to. And, in order to shoot, she needs a guide to hold down a secondary safety button in order for her to "pull" or puff the trigger.

    I`ll admit that it would be a funny commentary if the pic were taken at a Wal-Mart cigarette counter, but this is simply not the case. Just some good people helping out the less fortunate.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    Thanks Mr. Puddle!

    Coming back for Felix, please don`t spread misinformation about the dangers of a .22.

    A .22 is more than enough power to punch through your arm, if you are lucky and it hits a fleshy part. If not, you are in more trouble because the thing about small caliber rounds is they like to ricochet off of your bones, bouncing around your ribcage or inside your melon.

    The round is so small and travels at such a high velocity and flat trajectory that it is still dangerous a mile out from the barrel. The recoil is like a bb gun, but the impact is nothing close. Granted it is no 7.62x54R (mosin nagant caliber), but it isn`t meant to be.

    I would rather be beside someone who knew their .22 than putting that same person with a weapon they have no comfort in. A .22 to the eye hurts you every time. A miss won`t do a damn thing, no matter how big the round is.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    I find that most people who feel so strongly against guns have never been properly educated on them, or used them in their own life
    I`ve been clay pigeon shooting several times, with various guages of shotgun. I still don`t think people should have the right to own a device designed for killing other people in their house.

    Hunting or sport, fine. A double-barrelled shotgun or bolt-action rifle. But handguns are designed solely for killing other humans.

    As long as someone is willing to use a gun to force their will on another, I am more than happy to have my gun to force them to stop.
    I always hear this line. But who is going to have drawn their gun first? The criminal. So how are you going to use yours? If you make a move for it, you get shot.
    And then the criminal has 2 guns.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    And I think Felix was talking about the recoil, not the impact of the bullet.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    I`ve never shot a gun, and I really don`t understand our nations obsession with them, but i wouldn`t mind getting a handgun for protection, and just for the hell of it.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    spanerbulb-"MeGrendal, there really is no need for civilians to have guns freely avaiable."

    MattPrince-"average citizens shouldn`t need guns."

    Strange, the word `need` does not appear in the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution. And it is not for YOU (or anyone else, for that matter) to determine my `need`.

    My `recreational` use of my firearms is none of your business. I don`t hunt (haven`t since I was 12), but love deer meat (thankfully have friends and family that love to share). I target practice for fun. I also use my firearms for home protection. Burglary is a mighty risky endeavor in this part of the country. Why, a criminal could get killed!

    Now, I`m sorry for you folks that a innocent, inanimate object makes you shat yourselfs...best ya`ll stay away from any sharp object or complacated machinery.

    (and yes, a .22 can kill...as can a simple BB gun...or a slingshot or a frozen turkey.)
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    Bob, Felix said " A 22 will NOT punch a whole through your arm." That is definitely not about recoil.

    As for who would draw first, you are speaking of limitless situations. In a convenience store, I could be grabbing a soda while an idiot pulls a gun on the clerk. Pop.

    In my car, someone strange gets within my comfort zone, and I`m ready to put one through the door and into their crotch. Pop.

    In an alley, someone mugs me and I tell them they can have it, and reach for my "wallet". Pop.

    In my home, a window shatters or a door busts open, by the time they get to the staircase I`ve got them in my sights. Pop.

    If I am in a tactical situation where I am not confident in my ability to draw and fire, I would not pull a gun until I saw an opportunity. If I thought they were going to shoot me anyways, I would at least die fighting.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    almightybob1-"And then the criminal has 2 guns."

    So, you think that a law abiding citizen should be helpless and unable to protect themselves by the best possible means due to ONE possible outcome?

    Tell me, do you find a 98lb woman found in an alley bound, beaten, raped, and murdered is morally superior to a woman explaining to the police how her 300lb attacker received his fatal wounds? (sadly, you probably do..is it that you WANT women to be helpless?)

    As Sigmund Freud said: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    @almightybob1

    So your thought is most people can`t be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

    A shotgun or bolt action can also kill like a handgun.
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    barberthe Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    almighybob, that is why you carry it concealed on your person in a location that won`t draw attention. My Tokarev sits right above my right-rear pants pocket(where I store my wallet). If someone is dumb enough to try and rob me, they`re in for a surprise.

    BG: (draws gun)"Give me your wallet"

    Me: "Okay, let me get it for you"(cock hammer, draw, fire, kick BG`s gun away, call 911, wait for the police/ambulance)

    It`s called preparation.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Its her right!
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Sorry for the length.

    The line "as long as someone is willing to use a gun to force their will on another" was also more of a general observation on the world. I didn`t mean just me or my home, but look at the regions of the world ruled by strongmen with a gun. Give the women of Darfur a gun apiece and see how fast the rape numbers decline. Look at all the nations that are ruled by ruthlessness, and look at their gun laws. If their people had guns, the dictators would lose their jobs. (Much like how King George lost his job because we DID have guns.)

    As far as a handgun only ban like Bob suggested. Exhibit A: Chicago
    Exhibit B: Washington, D.C.

    Two cities with extremely high murder rates, and the strictest of handgun laws. (Albeit, overturned recently.)

    Where I live in GA, it is a city law that every home must have a firearm. Can`t tell you the last time I heard of someone getting murdered.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    I would hate to think anyone could not defend themselves against criminals all because some jackass "wannabe" liberal hipster. One would think differently if it actually happened to you or a family member.

    bunch of phucktards!!
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    DamienLike Male 13-17
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    This is soon to appear on Dead Rising 3.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Not all small town police can afford a real bomb squad robot, guys.

    You`re being insensitive.
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    liklepip Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    I never agreed with people who said Americans were stupid, I reckon us English are just as intellectual or not as the case maybe, but we don`t have the right to carry guns fortuantly and so don`t feel the urge to shoot strangers crying for help on our land. ;)
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    creativity!
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    BFLH Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    It may be shocking to most people to hear that literally millions of American gun owners did absolutely nothing illegal, immoral, harmful or otherwise with their guns today. Just thought you all should know.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    I find that most people who feel so strongly against guns have never been properly educated on them, or used them in their own life, therefore they fear them. Most just form opinions based on scare tactics used by the media. Sure they like to show us every gun related crime, but it is rare that you see the stories of people who saved their life, or someone else`s life with a weapon.

    I find that most people who use this argument don`t realise that they`re arguing that the USA is a staggeringly violent place, way more so than otherwise comparable countries. You`re arguing that it`s so bad in the USA that the massive reduction in murder that you claim results from widespread gun ownership still leaves the USA murder rate several times higher than comparable countries.

    Is the USA really such an innately violent place?
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    America! F%*@ ya!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    In my home, a window shatters or a door busts open, by the time they get to the staircase I`ve got them in my sights. Pop.
    Exactly the reason that a massive proportion of gun uses in the home are on the gun owner`s own family members, being accidentally shot by the trigger-happy relative. Literally that exact same described scenario.

    Tell me, do you find a 98lb woman found in an alley bound, beaten, raped, and murdered is morally superior to a woman explaining to the police how her 300lb attacker received his fatal wounds? (sadly, you probably do..is it that you WANT women to be helpless?)
    I have yet to find any statistics that suggest that women are magically immune to rape when armed. The only one I could find was based on crime rates from 1987 to 1990, and it found that guns were used in self-defence in 0.83% of violent crimes which include assault, robbery and rape. So they`re not making much difference.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    As Sigmund Freud said: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
    Find something that Freud didn`t think was to do with sexual maturity.

    Fear of guns is healthy. They`re deadly. If you`re not afraid of them, you have no sense of self-preservation, which is definitely a sign of retarded mental maturity.
    In fact, if you`re not afraid of them, why keep one of your own? When one is drawn against you, just laugh and walk away. Nothing to be afraid of, right?

    A shotgun or bolt action can also kill like a handgun.
    True. But it`s far harder to go on a killing spree with something that you have to reload every shot or two shots. Which would massively limit the potential victims.
    Shotguns and rifles are also far bulkier and harder to conceal, which would make anyone attempting to use them for crime very very obvious. Plus they are unwieldy which again would limit victims.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    Me: "Okay, let me get it for you"(cock hammer
    BG: *hears hammer rooster* *shoots you* *takes your wallet* *shoots your family to spite you for trying to kill them* *walks away with two guns*


    You can`t outdraw someone who has already drawn. Watch a western.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    Where else but I-A-B would a website spend so much time and effort in anti-gun, anti-America bashing.
    Hey Europeans, what if you all had guns when your good friend Adolf Hitler came knocking?
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Angilion, 1000 char short answer yes. Born from violence into violence. People who wanted to be left alone. The people who killed all those Native Americans, then killed each other when there was no one else. We are absolutely violent. I am fully aware.

    Almightybob, target identification, I am not trigger happy. I have had a firearm in my bedroom since I was 14 years old. I`ve been bullied and picked on in school, I`ve been in an abusive relationship. Not once have I shot someone, or even drawn a weapon on someone, even though I have had the opportunity the majority of my life.

    Furthermore, a sawed off double barrel shotgun with flechette, dragon`s breath, or buckshot rounds can do as much damage if not more than an idiot with his 9mm pointed sideways. Just as concealable with a 9 inch barrel and sawed off grip. Carry two or three, and you`ll have time to reload after the 6th shot.
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    Captn Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    I believe that everyone should be able too defend themselves, but no one should need too defend themselves.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    Hey Europeans, what if you all had guns when your good friend Adolf Hitler came knocking?
    Ah, so it was American civilians with guns who finally stepped in after more than two years of spectating, was it?

    I have had a firearm in my bedroom since I was 14 years old.
    What was someone saying earlier about gun owners not breaking the law? Unless I am mistaken the law says you have to be at least 18 to possess a handgun in Georgia.
    I guess there`s something to that claim that criminals do have the guns then.

    Furthermore, a sawed off double barrel shotgun with flechette, dragon`s breath, or buckshot rounds can do as much damage if not more than an idiot with his 9mm pointed sideways.
    Agreed. I should have specified - no sawn-offs, no flechette or dragon`s breath.
    You could carry several, but it would be quite awkward, and reloading 3 would take you a while. No clips.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    Of course, if all your victims are carrying loaded guns around too, you don`t need to reload. Just pluck a fresh one from the corpses littered everywhere, and you`re good to keep going.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    almightybob1-"Fear of guns is healthy. They`re deadly."

    And there you have it folks. A perfect example of an irrational fear of an inanimate object. Do you use only mass transit as those big, powerful automobiles scare ya, too? Boo!!!

    almightybob1-"Watch a western."

    And here`s the evidence of where he gets his `facts`. Hollywood. Here`s clue: Movies are fiction.

    almightybob1-"...it was American civilians with guns who finally stepped in..."

    Actually, this is not far from the truth. When the U.S. conscripted 10 million civilians into the military for WWII, the vast majority already had expertise in firearms. Made for a ready made fighting force. A man with a lifetime experience with a firearm will be a much more effective soldier than one who has to think about how to flip the safety off and is not sure which end the bullet comes out of.

    You’re not really good at this whole debate thing, are yo
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    At 14 I lived in FL first off, one of the gun friendliest states around. The legal issue is not ownership but who bought the firearms. As the firearms were bought legally, and given to me, I owned them legally since I did not buy them.

    We are talking about rifles, not handguns. The law says 18 for ownership of handguns or purchase of rifles. 21 for the purchase of handguns. I got my first handgun at 20, another gift.

    "I should have specified no sawn-offs"

    The point is that you specified double barrel shotguns as a "safe" gun for people to own. You can`t stop someone from buying a hacksaw and a reloading press to make your legal gun into a nasty killing machine.

    And if we all had guns, like your last example, we would have popped the guy before he made too many bodies, and that would be that. The market is too saturated to get rid of them, and the consequences of trying would be disastrous.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    How can you say "guns don`t kill people" when even a paraplegic in a wheelchair can kill you with one? Heck, a BABY can kill you with one.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    "You’re not really good at this whole debate thing, are you"

    He brought in some good points. You regurgitated mostly myths.

    The idea that the USA "won the war" comes from hollywood. The people who contributed most were the Russians. They were the ones who eventually defeated Hitler.

    So when you say "Actually, this is not far from the truth", that itself kinda is far from the truth.

    Not so hot yourself on this whole debate thing huh?
    Using hollywood as a source of info.
    Pretending that something designed to kill people as it`s main purpose is the same as something that has the potential to.

    (Would you rather be locked in a room with a hitman, or a firefighter? Both have the POTENTIAL to kill, so they`re the same!... erm no.)
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    And there you have it folks. A perfect example of an irrational fear of an inanimate object. Do you use only mass transit as those big, powerful automobiles scare ya, too? Boo!!!
    Christ. It`s a device DESIGNED for killing people. If it wasn`t deadly, it wouldn`t be doing its job. I have a fear of guillotines for the same reason. You clearly do not understand what the word "rational" means.

    Actually, this is not far from the truth.
    See Baal`s answer. And also note that
    1) Britain and Russia had conscription too during WW2, and
    2) Once you are conscripted, you are in the army, i.e. no longer a civilian.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    The legal issue is not ownership but who bought the firearms. As the firearms were bought legally, and given to me, I owned them legally since I did not buy them.
    Actually, Florida state law says, and I quote, "a minor less than 18 may not possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm in his home, unless engaged in lawful activities". So unless it sat in your room unloaded, which I doubt from the context of what you said, you still broke the law.
    I suppose it could have changed since you were 14, but that`s the law just now.

    The point is that you specified double barrel shotguns as a "safe" gun for people to own.
    I didn`t say they were safe, I said that`s the most that should be allowed, because there are some legitimate uses like hunting or sport.

    And you can`t stop someone mounting a machine gun on their car and going on a killing spree. Except by making it illegal. I don`t get your point here.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    Baalthazaq-”He brought in some good points."

    He brought in no points, just demonstrated his irrational fear of an inanimate object, and tried to rationalize it as `sane`.

    Baalthazaq-"The people who contributed most were the Russians."

    Now THERE`s some creative history. The Russians took Berlin simply due to the Yalta agreements. US & British forces could have taken it, but there was little point. And as far the Pacific, seeing as Russia didn`t bother to even declare war on Japan until two days AFTER the bombing of Hiroshima, any claim that they had anything to do with victory in the Pacific is malarkey. After all, by declaring war 5 whole days before Japan`s surrender, they got a split of the spoils.

    Baalthazaq-"Both have the POTENTIAL to kill."

    Just as you had the POTENTIAL to demonstrate some level of intelligence, and utterly failed to do so.

    Have a reoccurring fantasy of being locked in room
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:42 pm
    Florida state gun law, from the NRA.

    Other interesting parts to note:

    "It is unlawful to store or leave a firearm in any place within reach or easy access of a person less than 18 years of age."

    "Whoever, through culpable negligence, stores or leaves a loaded firearm within the reach or easy access of a minor less than 16 years of age commits a felony of the third degree, if the minor obtains the firearm and uses it to inflict injury or death upon himself or herself or any other person."


    Good thing you didn`t shoot anyone with it, or the parent/guardian who let it stay in your room would be a convicted felon.
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    I`m not sold on the argument that by banning handguns, we can limit killing sprees. The assault rifle ban was supposed to do that, and it really hasn`t made much of a difference. It was rather unfortunate that the ban was implemented; Kalashnikovs were rather nice pieces of engineering.

    The reason why the gun crime rate is so high in America is pretty much because of 2nd amendment rights vs. state rights. Some states come close to banning guns, while others are more lenient. This allows for an imbalance in which more forthright citizens aren`t as well prepared (or well armed) as the criminal element, who don`t necessarily work within the confines of the law. Probably the best example of the imbalance is Washington, DC crime rate (up to last year) compared to Richmond, VA. Similar sized cities, but Richmond`s crime rate is a bit lower than Washington`s.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    Baalthazaq-"something designed to kill people "

    almightybob1-"a device DESIGNED for killing people"

    No, designed to throw a piece of mass in the direction you point it. Just as a sling, bow, catapult and potato gun. Any fear you have of it is a projection of your own inadequacies, not of any failing of the firearm.

    almightybob1-"Once you are conscripted, you are in the army, i.e. no longer a civilian."

    Well okay, Mr. Obvious. But how exactly becoming a soldier make you an expert with a gun?

    The DIFFERENCE is that when new US soldiers were handed a rifle, they immediately stripped it, cleaned it, re-assembled it, sighted it in and fired for qualification. While when new British soldiers were handled a rifle, they went through weeks of pointing at little part of the gun and asking, "What does this thing do?"

    Just admit that neither of you to the testicular fortitude to be responsible for pro
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    And Bob? USSR declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945. Here`s the link: Timeline of WWII Pacific Theater
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    No, designed to throw a piece of mass in the direction you point it. Just as a sling, bow, catapult and potato gun.
    Yes, and a bomb is just an exercise in chemical reactions. Just like a glowstick.

    A claymore anti-personnel (oops, I mean anti-NOTHING) mine is only designed to project many small pieces of mass outwards - how crude to suggest that its clear purpose is for those pieces of mass to cause harm to humans!

    And a gun is just an exercise in ballistics and Newtonian physics. Not meant for killing people at all.

    Spare me. You`re embarrassing yourself here. Even you can come up with a better defence than that. A child could see through that argument.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    And Bob? USSR declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945. Here`s the link: Timeline of WWII Pacific Theater
    Yes, I accept that, which is why I removed the post. I thought he said on the Axis, not specifically Japan. Although to suggest that WW2 was won and lost in the Pacific theatre alone is ridiculous.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    Actually it was a breech barrel shotgun, which is unwise to leave loaded at anytime because of the tendency for the hammer to catch on objects and AC/D. They were in close reach, but not in the weapon. I knew the law then and now. I could take it shooting at 16, in my car with bullets, as it was a "lawful activity".

    "Whoever, through culpable negligence, stores or leaves a loaded firearm within the reach or easy access of a minor less than 16 years of age commits a felony of the third degree, if the minor obtains the firearm and uses it to inflict injury or death upon himself or herself or any other person."

    The felony of the third degree is only applicable if I had used the weapon irresponsibly. Since I did not, it wasn`t a felony...

    It wasn`t negligent as I was, and still am, responsible and safe with a gun, because it has always been a normal part of life for me and not some taboo.

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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:29 pm
    But really this has come down to splitting hairs. There is a vast difference across the ocean.You Europeans have had your monarchs and leaders keeping weapons out of your hands from sharp sticks and swords to guns for hundreds of years for fear of what you would do with them. So let`s just agree to disagree.

    In America, though they forget it, the armed populace is supposed to be the fire under our government to act.We are the largest check and balance of the whole system.

    God forbid the bloodbath that would ensue if someone tried to take them, or the fact that they would have to use guns to do so.

    As for WWII crying, you all need to shut up. Russia lost millions, but without the US and China keeping the Japanese occupied in the Pacific, or opening a second front in France, they wouldn`t have won. Without Britain`s perseverance, we wouldn`t have had a foothold to launch D-Day. None could do it alone.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    You Europeans have had your monarchs and leaders keeping weapons out of your hands from sharp sticks and swords to guns for hundreds of years for fear of what you would do with them.
    Actually, handguns have only actually been illegal in the UK since the Dunblane massacre in 1996, and most types of rifle in the wake of the Hungerford massacre in 1987. You can still get shotguns if you have a firearms certificate.

    None could do it alone.
    Agreed. Which is why nothing is more irritating than Americans saying "we saved your ass in WW2" or "if it wasn`t for us you`d be speaking German". Instant sign of a moron.
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    What a waste of money and time. This is lame.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2010 at 11:59 pm
    I think a lot of the pro gun lobby are delusional about how effective they are versus serious criminals with a gun.

    Say I was a bad guy with a gun and I badly wanted something that you`ve got. We are in the USA so I know there is a good chance you are armed with gun and attitude. So.. my natural instinct is to load the dice very heavily in my favour, make sure I confront you at very close range, when your back is to me, your hands full of shopping, and mine are full of a reliable 9mm semi automatic, safetey off. How good are your chances of putting me down?

    I think, having guns in the civilian population encourages criminals to use guns more aggresively.
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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:06 am
    what would be ironic is if the reason she`s in a wheelchair was due to a gunshot wound...
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:16 am
    Matt, you couldn`t be further from the truth. But I see your European poshness peeking through by assuming that all Americans have "guns and attitude". If that is what you assume, don`t be surprised if attitude is what you find from your haughtiness. Many Americans don`t own guns, and fewer still have concealed permits.

    Most criminals are cowards, who want victims who won`t put up a fight. If they are serious criminals, I doubt they are out mugging people for a couple hundred bucks and a cell phone. Many criminals never intend to use their gun, using it only as a prop. Most also have no real firearms experience. I can put my entire 10rd magazine in a 5 inch dot at 25 ft in very little time indeed, and have done so hundreds of times.

    Risk vs. reward, you don`t want to rob someone who will fight back.

    Want examples? Pick a sta
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:42 am
    The haughtiness is perceived dude. I is not posh.

    I`ll concede that it does act as a deterrent to casual criminals, but I also think it hardens up the more serious - and that you then have a viscious circle. As for this pipe-dream of uprising if your government goes bad - how many LAW`s do you own FFS?

    Dammit - want to argue - but have to go to work - laters sir...
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    Ardenoci Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:48 am
    Does anyone have stats on numbers of lives saved by keeping a pistol in the house versus familial homicide /accidental deaths linked to registered gun ownership? Something that is not linked to either anti-gun groups or pro-gun groups would be nice.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 4:29 am
    RE `attitude` what I really meant in that case was `willingness to use it`, however.. Who carries a gun without a glint in their eye and a swagger in their step?

    Even a quadriplegic markswoman.

    "This is how I roll"
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 4:57 am
    Mcgovern said..
    "By this logic the more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals. "

    This is meant to be a civilisation your living in, not "red dead redemption".

    @MeGrendel and his testicular fortitude BS - I think I see why you do need to own a gun - it makes you feel all manly.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 5:52 am
    She probably got injured by a bullet.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 6:13 am
    Where I live guns are illegal - mostly and I think it`s better that way but If i did live in america I would be an avid fan of the things owning my own personal armory just saying
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 7:05 am
    All I`m hearing is guns are bad they make violence.... I guess that`s why Switzerland has such a high rate of violent crime oh ya wait a minute.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 7:06 am
    MattPrince-"This is meant to be a civilisation your living in"

    Anyone who does not realize that there`s a significant portion of every society that revels in barbarism and anarchy is a fool, at best, and a delusional moron, at worst.

    Civilization is hideously fragile... there`s not much between us and the Horrors underneath, just about a coat of varnish. ~C.P. Snow

    I can tell you from first hand experience that a concealed weapon is a great deterrent to a mugger. I can also tell you from first hand experience that burglary and assault in our area is a dangerous occupation. Some criminals decided to break into my neighbor’s house. My neighbor killed one, injured the other (the killed one died 150 feet from my door). The police gave my neighbor a pat on the back and the Grand Jury failed to indict, ruling it justified and, in one juror’s words, ‘damn good shooting.’ There&
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 7:12 am
    This is meant to be a civilisation your living in, not "red dead redemption".

    Yes because before guns we were so civilized hacking each other to bits with blades. Also if you knew something about the Wild West period in the US you`d relized what brought peace and justice to those areas were armed citizens stepping up as the law.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 7:15 am
    RE `attitude` what I really meant in that case was `willingness to use it`, however.. Who carries a gun without a glint in their eye and a swagger in their step?

    Plenty of people you must think we`re all like cowboys.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:47 am
    "Anyone who does not realize that there`s a significant portion of every society that revels in barbarism and anarchy is a fool, at best, and a delusional moron, at worst.
    "

    Actually - I think a lot of people would like to think that they would revel in anarchy - but would get pretty quickly fecked over if it ever happened. The people with these leanings.. they can easily access guns in your society right? In mine, not so easy.

    "I can tell you from first hand experience that a concealed weapon is a great deterrent to a mugger."

    I can tell from that sentence, that you are, indeed, an idiot. How can it be a deterrent if its concealed? Fear of your target having a concealed weapon... maybe.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:53 am
    "Also if you knew something about the Wild West period in the US you`d relized what brought peace and justice to those areas were armed citizens stepping up as the law."

    I don`t think you`ve got peace and justice yet, that was the point I was trying to make, you aren`t perfectly civilised yet (neither are we). if you were there wouldn`t be a need (perceived or valid) for civilian gun ownership.

    My cowboy biased shooting from the hip quip is that I don`t think many of the NRA supporters want things that safe. A lot of people with guns enjoy owning something lethal.
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    kummi90 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:57 am
    "Guns don`t kill people, monkeys do -- if they have a gun!"
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:30 am
    MattPrince-"people with these leanings.. they can easily access guns in your society"

    Criminals in most societies can easily acquire guns...including yours.

    MattPrince-"How can it be a deterrent if its concealed?"

    Are you REALLY that much of a f#cking idiot?

    Demonstratably, that would be yes.

    For clarification, seeing as you`re an idiot. I carry concealed. A guy with a knife attempted to mug me. I then `unconcealed` my weapon and he had second thougths.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:01 am



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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:06 am
    kummi90-"monkeys do -- if they have a gun!"

    They don`t need them to kill you.

    "Delhi`s deputy mayor killed by monkeys"-BBC; Oct. 22, 2007

    "Monkey Kills His Owner With a Coconut"-Life: March 11, 2009

    "Monkey kills woman"-Oneindia; Oct 24, 2007

    "Wild Monkey Kills Newborn Malaysian Baby"-AolNews, Oct. 7, 2010

    (Please, Outlaw Monkeys!!! Do it `FOR THE CHILDREN`)
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:14 am
    What this chick needs is an upgrade.


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    barberthe Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    "BG: *hears hammer rooster* *shoots you* *takes your wallet* *shoots your family to spite you for trying to kill them* *walks away with two guns*


    You can`t outdraw someone who has already drawn. Watch a western."

    I don`t have to out draw him. I only have to be a better, faster shot. I practice my draw every other day(unloaded, of course) and can reliably place all 8 shots into a 8" circle at 40 yards.

    As T-Marley has already pointed out, most criminals who use guns are usually not very familiar with them. Odds are, he doesn`t know I have the gun. When I reach back and rooster the hammer, he won`t hear it because I`ll be sure to keep running my mouth. Also, gun-cocking noises in the movies/tv are ridiculously over-exaggerated. Even if I kept silent, he`d have to be Superman to be able to hear it. I would then bring the gun around and fire two shots into his chest/abdomen. If he still poses a threat 2 seconds later, I`ll line up a guaranteed
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    barberthe Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    * continued.

    ...guaranteed-lethal headshot. Once the threat is gone(he ran off, fell and I kicked his gun away, or he was killed, etc), I would clear my gun, call 911(in case a bystander hadn`t already done so), and wait for the authorities. Not an ideal outcome, but this hypothetical situation wasn`t ideal to begin with, was it?
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    abby0315 Female 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    Aww look it`s the first step to creating a cyborg.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    And that`s Barber with a weapon that needs to be roostered to fire.

    My Springfield XD has one in the pipe and the hammer roostered, ready to fire with a pull of the trigger. And much like a glock, it doesn`t have a traditional safety. It is a weapon.

    Federal Hydrashok hollowpoints...bye bye bad guy.

    As my grandfather taught me, it`s like my Federal Express card, I never leave home without it.
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    barberthe Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Yeah, having to rooster the hammer is the only thing I don`t like about my pistol. It does have a "safety" that was added on for import laws, but I don`t trust it at all...I much prefer the half-cock notch.

    However, the accuracy and firepower more than make up for it. I use Wolf gold JHP when I carry because it`s the only widely available JHP made in that caliber. You can get them custom loaded, but they`re generally more expensive. It fits a standard 1911 holster, so those are really easy to find. Here`s a link to the one I use: JBP 5" 1911 Small of Back/FBI Cant holster

    For a 57 year-old $200 gun, it can`t be beat.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:29 pm
    Sorry guys but I think these are more heroic fantasies. If the bad guy has the gun drawn, safety off, pointed at you already.. you aren`t going to get a chance to out shoot him.

    Why would a bad guy engage at long range when it only requires a little mental detachment to kill someone at close range. Your (undoubted) accuracy and high rate of fire are going to suffer somewhat when you take a hollowpoint to the chest, let alone the back of the head.

    Finally - who says the bad guy isn`t at least as good with a gun - won`t he have more practice at shooting under pressure?
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 16, 2010 at 12:02 am
    Because Matt shooting frequently is not cheap. Also guns that most criminals use are cheap guns with a ground off serial number, normally cheap things like `saturday night specials`. A criminal that runs around shooting his gun all the time and in every crime will be caught in short order, or dealt with by a vigilant citizen.

    Most criminals never fire their weapons, they are used purely for intimidation. That is a key difference. My pistol is not for intimidation, I have never pulled it on a person because I have never shot a person.

    Heroic fantasy aside, do a youtube search for pistol disarm. And as far as accuracy is concerned, look at the video of homeslice at the school board. He missed how many times? Why do you think police are taught the 21 foot rule? At a closer range than that, you would be surprised what can happen before you pull the trigger. All it takes is moving the point of aim.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 16, 2010 at 12:13 am
    And Matt, I`m not saying that there isn`t a risk when you defend yourself. There are circumstances where even armed it is best to bide your time for a better opportunity, or give the thief what he wants. Everything is situational.

    There are other times when it`s worth taking a bullet to prevent something from happening, and if you make that call then go for it. Is it possible I may be hit? Sure. But I know me getting hit is a possibility, while the thief getting mortally wounded is almost assured.

    I`m not going to sit idle while someone threatens me, my family, or even a complete stranger when I can do something. I`m not going to roll over because some punk has a gun and wants to take freely what I have earned.

    "I would rather have and not need than need and not have."
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 5:26 am
    Fair enough T-marley. I still think a society that doesn`t perceive a need for guns for vigilant(e) citzens is a better one. (Is Switzerlands low crime down to gun ownership - or its affluence?)
    I did watch the video of `homeslice at the school
    board`. How could he have missed the twat in the red blazer at that range? He even had a reasonable line of site down the barrel. Red blazer guy was a worm. The chairman had balls - even without a gun.
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    barberthe Male 18-29
    103 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    I concur. That chairman had balls. I can only hope that I can remain that cool if I`m caught without my gun. Also, I`m aware that I won`t always be able to draw/fire on a bad guy without endangering myself/others. The example situation was purely hypothetical, using the basic assumption that I`d have the element of surprise due to my firearm being concealed. I`m not a physically threatening guy. I`m 6`1" and weigh about 165lbs. I also look like I`m about 16-17 years old, so that`s in my favor as well(since I don`t look old enough to own a gun, much less carry one).

    I`ve only come close to drawing once, and that was enough for me. Walking up to a restaurant, there were two idiots fighting in the parking lot, one of them grabbed a metal pole from a nearby truck. The other guy ran up to a group of 6 bystanders(myself included). Guy with the pole kept coming, swinging it like a madman. Had he not dropped the pole when he did(right at 25ft), I would have drawn(who knows after
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Matt that is a tough question of philosophy. Would an unarmed populace be better? Definitely for the Gov`t. Maybe for the citizens. But at this point in our history guns are too pervasive, and to remove them only harms the people who have never done anything wrong with them such as myself.

    Homeslice missed because he was a poor shot and terribly nervous, so nervous in fact that his shaking hand caused him to accidentally shoot the floor. In that situation, there is no way I would miss, but I also would have dealt with the security guard first, and then turned my attention to the school board.

    As for Sweden, they are definitely an interesting case. I would say that the answer is a little of both. A well regulated militia, coupled with a very old country that was once a sizable military force. But notice they make all males serve, and I think that the US in this case could learn from that example.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    My dad once told me something. He spent the bulk of his life employed in hostage rescue, sniper/counter sniper actions, V.I.P security, and many other tactical activities which would fall under the classification of "commando". He taught courses to several of the "Elite" military units from several countries, and could be called an expert in armed conflict and use of deadly force. He went to former Ugo with CivPol just at the tail end of the war. I asked if he was going armed and he said no. After listening to me rant he said; "When you are armed, you have the tendency to forgo all other options of conflict resolution in favor of using your weapon." Made sense to me
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Kalimata, I have all respect for your pops and respect his judgment. Without knowing the specifics of his mission or what he was doing, I can`t really comment on the wisdom of it, other than to say that he surely wasn`t going in to combat unarmed.

    I can`t say I`ve gone my 25 years in life without any conflict, though I wish I could. I can say however that though I have almost always had a gun or access to one, and I have never resorted to using it to solve them under threat or usage. It all depends on how you are raised and if you are taught a real respect for the weapon.

    A real adult can solve problems without the resort of physical force, but some people have other ideas. No reason to leave yourself vulnerable to some idiot who thinks a gun makes him a man.

    You can never put the bullet back in the gun. It is a one way trip.
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    dareick Male 18-29
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    January 19, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    So much seriousness.
    Just think if this bytch jumped in front of you in line. Would you tell her no????

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