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185 Responses to Crazy Fat White Guy Shoots Up A School Board

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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 7:51 am
    Link: Crazy Fat White Guy Shoots Up A School Board - This happened in Florida yesterday. The gunman killed himself. A bit long but quite compelling.
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    ieatbunnies Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Terrible shooting. He needs to learn to aim better.
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    nettech98 Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:29 am
    Stupid woman at 1:00 with a death wish and a purse... Then she screams like a scared bitch when her heroic plan backfires...
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:29 am
    I guess madest video got posted and not mine because he had seniority?
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:30 am
    Any news on what happened with the other guy that got shot? I`m assuming that was either police or civilians with a gun that shot the man at the end? Also. this would have turned out way better if schools weren`t "gun-free" zones. that school is a "gun-free" zone and look what happened? Only the bad guys get the guns in "gun-free" zones. All they do is disarm the people that would use a gun for good, such as shooting this fat fcuktard.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:32 am
    Saw this on TV this morning and it`s been on my mind. I can`t even joke about it - that`s one of the absolute saddest, most tragic things I have ever seen. What a drated up world we live in.
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    Snowlock Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:33 am
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    Concetra Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:34 am
    V is for Vendetta.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:35 am
    Oh thank god he missed.
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    green_btrfly Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:37 am
    wow... I`ve never really seen someone get shot before. :(
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:37 am
    Am I the only one who`s scared of the world we live in?
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:40 am
    @Poopnoodle - nope. I am too.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:40 am
    Man that`s just, really, really sad.
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    incubus_inc Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:42 am
    Isn`t it strange how real life has none of the drama you would assume in that situation... that was awkward as hell. What a sick coward that man was.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:42 am
    And I agree with TKD master. Gun Free Zones, only disarm Law Abiding Citizens.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:44 am
    It`s in U.S. so of course the guys Fat. Everyone on the school board was fat too!

    Damnittohell! Where are all the skinny nut cases?
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    ChrisRlive Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:44 am
    At least he missed...?
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:46 am
    "And I agree with TKD master. Gun Free Zones, only disarm Law Abiding Citizens. "

    indeed. there is a reason there are never massacres at gun ranges or military bases.
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:48 am
    TKD - Yeah the only one shot was the shooter. School Police shot him and wounded him then he shot himself. At first I thought he did hit the speaker but I saw him interviewd today on CNN and he was fine...
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:49 am
    "At least he missed...?"

    Maybe... He definitely shot the desk with his first shot (you can see the paper moving) but i`m guessing the bullet either went through the desk (depends on bullet and desk material), got lodged in the desk, or ricocheted off the desk and hit the man. either way the man is probably alive. Based on the mans reaction, i`d say it ricocheted.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:50 am
    nettech98: That`s a horrible thing to say. That was one of the bravest acts I`ve ever seen. She saw the opportunity to disarm him and took it. Even though she knew she wasn`t as strong as him, and that if her plan backfired she would probably die. She`s very lucky to be alive.
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    PeekaBOOM Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Why is this on IAB?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:50 am
    TKD - "there is a reason there are never massacres at military bases"

    Two words for you. . . Fort Hood




    that said... I`m pro gun ownership....everywhere.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:51 am
    HOLY CATS!
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:51 am
    "I think you are the only person in the world that wants more guns at schools. Most school have a local police officer working there now. He can be the one with the gun."

    My school doesn`t. And i`m not saying we need more guns in school, i`m just saying that gun-free zones are a retarded theory. they don`t work. they only make innocent people defenseless. that is all i`ve said.
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    PaintedNInja Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:51 am
    Looks like this dude watched v for vendetta a few to many times.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:52 am
    Love the V for Vendetta reference. He was too much about theatrics, should have gone straight in for the kill.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:53 am
    @ Gerry

    I was just about to bring that up. While ownership is fine, concealed carry is not. Gun regulations should be very strict. I think people would have a different view on it if they had family in law enforcement. My brother works Chicago P.D. in the poo of the southside..
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    swemmel1971 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:53 am
    You crazy americans and your guns :)

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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:55 am
    Fair enough TKD, but your school is a little behind on the times.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:56 am
    "Love the V for Vendetta reference. He was too much about theatrics, should have gone straight in for the kill."

    have fun in hell man, send me a post card?

    P.S. you are a terrible person.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 9:59 am
    The text at the end of the video (within the last fraction of a second) said the gunman missed his shots.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:00 am
    "I think you are the only person in the world that wants more guns at schools. Most school have a local police officer working there now. He can be the one with the gun."

    Nope... I too want more guns in the right hands in schools. Utah did it and it is working perfectly. Look it up, the burden of proof isn`t on me, it`s on you.

    Oh and @PeekaBOOM:

    Whay are you on IAB?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:00 am
    HOW did he not hit the guy he shot at first?!

    A baby could have made that shot.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:02 am
    lol, Fox News is already saying this guy is from 4chan because of the V for Vendetta mark. People`s ignorance is astounding...
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    citizen_kane Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:03 am
    boring as hell.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Yes the right hands as in law enforcement. If your school is at even the slightest risk then it should be a police officer, etc. that has the weapon. I am perfectly fine with loading schools up like that.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:08 am
    TKD - "there is a reason there are never massacres at military bases"

    "Two words for you. . . Fort Hood"

    @Gerry and TKD. The logic of both arguments are flawed.

    Look, the majority of military folk on CONUS bases (and some OCONUS) don`t walk around with or even have access to firearms. On most bases, we aren`t even allowed to own private firearms unless they are regulated with the armory. Even the Marines have the same restrictions. On any given day, the only armed people on a base that are not conducting live-fire training, are the front gate guards and the armorer(s) if there are weapons checked out of the armory.

    That Ft. Hood thing was crap that it happened. If people had been doing their jobs, it would not have. I can`t stress that enough. If the Army were smart, they would fire everyone involved, immediately.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:10 am
    one man with a gun is foolishly brave.

    when everyone is packin` you tend to be a bit more polite.
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    alikabul Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:10 am
    He was shooting blanks. He wanted the cops to come in and kill him. The guys behind the desk were in no real danger, but that`s gotta be a pretty chilling experience.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:11 am

    why didn`t they call them?
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:19 am
    You Americans and your guns.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:19 am
    You don`t shoot back in defense with blanks.

    Also, I wonder why the dude he shot at first fell like he was hit? The film said he missed.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:19 am
    @sloth:

    You Canadians and your syrup.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:21 am
    @alikabul
    You are extremely misinformed. the board member was shot, although not severely.
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Well, syrup is a WMD (weapon of mass deliciousness) so not really comparable to guns.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:25 am
    True sloth. So true.

    I love me some syrup lol.
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:36 am
    :48 "well...no reason to be rude and not push my chair in...."
    2:09 initiate...waddling

    damn...had to watch the end quite a few times...btw he isn`t using blanks...his second shot leaves a hole in the floor...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Nope... I too want more guns in the right hands in schools. Utah did it and it is working perfectly. Look it up, the burden of proof isn`t on me, it`s on you.
    ---------------
    No guns are ever in the right hands. I can defend myself against a crazy man but as shown here how do you defend yourself against a crazy man with a gun?

    We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 10:48 am
    If that lady with the purse of super power had a gun she could`ve dumbed a mag into him before he even saw her damn lucky she wasn`t shot.


    Wow what a terrible shot that was one of those miricales.
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    Helgarin Male 18-29
    506 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Well you don`t usually see this everyday on IAB lol
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:08 am
    @Madest-
    I agree with you that more should be done to keep guns out of the hands of unstable people- but that`s a bit excessive. Besides: do you REALLY trust the government to successfully regulate firearms? Seeing as how they`re doing a fantastic job keeping crack, heroin, and meth off the streets. Personally, I`m in favor of much stiffer penalties for crimes committed with firearms, as well as for accidents caused by neglectful use or storage of a firearm, as well as a licence- similar to a driver`s licence- that proves that you know how to use a gun safely.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:09 am
    Why does this man have a gun? He spent 4 years in the early 2000`s. Are people in FL allowed to have guns if they`re ex-cons?
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    Darkhumour Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:23 am
    what the drat did i jsut watch him shoot the guy shoot the floor shoot the desk shoot his foot then miss them all empty his clip and fall over ? like i don`t understand this ?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:24 am
    We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start.

    Ok I`ll support that if you do the same for parents and future parents otherwise it`s pretty hypocritical.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:32 am
    "No guns are ever in the right hands. I can defend myself against a crazy man but as shown here how do you defend yourself against a crazy man with a gun?

    We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start."

    Madest`s theme song.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:35 am
    @Madest
    "how do you defend yourself against a crazy man with a gun?"

    With your own gun. This ended when police shot the guy. If there were an armed officer (or even an armed civilian) in the building, this could have ended much sooner. The will to stop the guy is pretty obvious, if that woman had a handgun in her purse, this could have ended almost right away.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:36 am
    @sbeelz

    Alot of states anready do licensing with manditory training and fingerprinting. The problem is gun laws are state by state and even by counties giving the sherrif the right to make them a ridiculous as they want to keep people from getting it. In my opinion make the gun laws federal and standard across the country.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Ok I`ll support that if you do the same for parents and future parents otherwise it`s pretty hypocritical.
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    Parents and future parents? Who`s being killed by newborns? This wasn`t a baby from that went on that rampage.
    Look, it doesn`t matter what I want. The supreme court has ruled that virtually anybody can own a gun and there`s nothing any innocent victim can do about it.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:42 am
    I don`t think the fact that this guy had a gun is really the problem here - how about the extreme mental snappage? He could have walked in there with a can of gasoline and a match.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:44 am
    im with oystah...it wasnt the gun it was the man. he could have walked in with any type of weapon. to bad madest wasnt there to stop him.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:47 am
    Madest can stop him with his crazy Jedi mind tricks.

    Or the hammer and sickle.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 15, 2010 at 11:53 am
    Madest you poor innocent victim. But there is something you can do about it. Buy a gun and learn to use it.

    I`ll even teach you, free of charge!
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    He`s obviously a loonatic and not the average gun owner... what was he ranting about anyway?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Funny that no one has mentioned that this guy was a LEFT-WING nutcase. Here`s the proof.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Regardless of what you think the gun laws should be... I just think it`s sad that we live in a world where people will suggest everyone should bring a gun to a school board meeting, just in case.

    It`s a good thing he did miss, although I`m not sure how he did.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    @Madest
    "Who`s being killed by newborns? This wasn`t a baby from that went on that rampage."

    By the grammar of your argument, that wasn`t a gun that went on that rampage either. It was a crazy guy with a gun, just like it`s crazy parents that abuse kids.
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    Tacos4Brkfst Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    If only his religion didn`t tell him that suicide is a sin... this whole mess could have probably been contained in a small bathroom.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    @OldOllie
    He wasn`t right or left wing, he was a Truther. Arguing that he was somehow representative of either side is dishonest and fallacious. Truthers are off in their own little world of crazy.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    @Oystah, yes he definitely snapped for some reason. It could have been anything else, but it was a gun. What is to say this won`t happen to more fat crazy white guys with guns?

    Anyways the guy seemed to be crazy from the start. He had no intent on letting them talk him out of it.
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    GregH7 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    All his shots missed? Thats divine intervention.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    Chill the f-uck out, Jules, this poo happens.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    @Oldollie - nice follow up, Ollie - I still think this is tragically sad that people get this despondent over material possessions/money to the point they would take their own lives and others lives - that kind of jealous/ragey/hopeless type of thinking is chilling.


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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    @Madest: "We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start."

    I actually tend to agree with this point. I really do think that gun owners should go through mandatory training on proper gun use, safety, tactics and control and also be evaluated mentally in some cpacity. But, I also believe that pet owners and people wishing to conceive a child go through the same type of procedures as well.

    I have been through all the firearm classes one could practically think of including the mental evaluations. (A number of times) So, I can say these things and not even bat an eye.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    V for Vendetta was a great movie, and now I`m starting to hate it because morons like to reference it every time they`re doing something to "fight the system."

    Thanks, fat dude. Thanks a lot.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    @Madest: Also, the Utah thing I mentioned; I did a paper in college on a gun control issue and cited a town in Utah that trained and evaluated a certain schools` teachers and gave them concealed weapons. It worked and still works from what I understand. I did this paper about 3-4 years back.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    @Splurbyburbl - see, that`s exactly the problem -you can`t fix stupid - you can`t fix f-cked up. The government can`t make laws to make people smart and mentally stable. If someone has criminal intent or hardness of heart how can that be changed by a law - I mean, from the stuff this guy was writing on his facebook, maybe one of his "friends" should have brought over a six pack and gave him a f-ucking hug or something. And I`m not defending his actions at all if it came across that way.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    zombunny: V is for Vendetta was a movie that glorified terrorism. Of course crazy people refer to that movie. If you think that was a great movie than you are crazy, too.
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    Piepig Male 13-17
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    December 15, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    I`m glad that the shots missed. That was pretty intense. Subtitles would have been a nice addition.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    I`ll take that as a compliment, fivezones.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    @Splurbyburbl
    The professors at my school are trained to deal with these types of acts as well. However, they do not conceal carry or carry any type of weapon. Colleges have either security or a police force for a reason. As well as high schools having school police officers. Not sure profs and teachers need to carry, but rather have preventative measures already set up.
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    Django Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Lots going on in this video. I love the lady trying to hit the gun out of the guy`s hand with her purse. That took some balls. Did anyone notice the white haired guy on the far right say, "Hustfelt`s the guy that signed the paperwork?" i.e...don`t shoot me...
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    The Washington Post`s version of the story for anyone who is interested.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    The cant find his wife because he doesnt have one. What a crazy.

    And Yes zombunny. I agree. V for Vendetta was a great movie.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    @Oystah: Oh I know. I was just saying what I think should happen in my ideal little world. As an (arguably) sane person, this is how I see things. However, I do believe that it is way too easy for people with, shall we say, certain mental issues to own firearms, pets and have children. Having mandatory training and evaluation at the cost of the consumer would not fix the problem alltogether, but it would (I think) help identify a large portion of people who absolutely should not own or have one or all of these three things. Everyone on this board regularly sees people do very dumb things with children and pets on a regular basis. And they think to themsleves... "does this guy have any parental (or pet ownership) training??" Well, we should be asking the same of gun owners.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    @Inter237: I just thought the Utah thing was intaresting to note in this case. It is good your school has these things.

    I know by now it is a bit cliche to use the example, however: Can you imagine how different Columbine would have been if my Utah example would have been in effect? Better yet, do you think those kids would have even bothered knowing that every teacher were trained, ready and equiped to handle a shooter in the school?


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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    @Splurby - I get ya - I like your ideal little world - I wish it were like that. I think I am the one who thinks this video is just totally disturbing. I`ve yet to become totally desenitized - but I`m sure it`s just a matter of time.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Oh I totally agree. Not saying you are wrong, just a matter of opinion really.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    *desensitized. Gah.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    @Inter237
    What does this training entail pray they don`t f**king shoot you. When seconds count the police are only minutes away.


    If this guy was as set as he seemed and couldn`t get a gun he`d probably have gotten gasoline and some household chemicals with research and made something highly explosive it`s not rocket science.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    See, here in the UK, OFSTED and the school council don`t need or have guns because we don`t have guns readily available for some nutjob to come in and fire the place up.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    Owning firearms is a right that I have, and that we have had since the beginning. When I have a right and you take it away, isn`t that oppression? I think it is hilarious that the same people who tell me I can`t have guns get up in arms when someone else tells them they can`t have abortions.

    Let`s just say for a moment that we are through debating the philosophy of whether or not we should have guns and you gun haters get your way.

    How do you propose the removal of the over 200 million privately owned firearms in the US? Ask nicely? Cause you know, we Americans are not much for when it comes to an authority telling us what to do.

    Now let`s presume that you finally got that figured out and somehow the law abiding gun owners hand over all of their firearms.

    Now your entire population is disarmed, with the exception of the criminals and crazies in their compounds ala Waco.

    What happens then?
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    I don`t know McGovern I wasn`t training with them lol but I am saying there are ways to prevent these types of things that do not involve every prof. in the country carrying a firearm.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    I can`t believe that old moron on the school board was arguing with the gunman at the end and dishing out his campain slogans. Agree with him and apologize, even if he`s wrong, so nobody gets shot! Pissing him off will not help!

    This is the kind of sentiment cultivated by political parties on both sides. You either love or hate an issue enough to kill for it, with no middle ground. It may not affect normal people, but as we can see the crazies are up at arms.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    That last microsecond word at the end of the video says " the gunmen apparently missed each person he fired on, he later killed himself after being wounded by school board security"
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    iambuzzed Male 40-49
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    December 15, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    Constitutional right. End of story.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    "He was shooting blanks. He wanted the cops to come in and kill him. The guys behind the desk were in no real danger, but that`s gotta be a pretty chilling experience."

    no he wasnt. watch his shots closer matey.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    "We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start."

    That is the most retarded thing I have ever read.

    Also, before that quote, you asked how you defend yourself against a crazy man with a gun? simple. you shoot them. done. go home and grab a steak.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    no one got shot - the guy had duds in his mag. he wanted to commit suicide by police
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    "Personally, I`m in favor of much stiffer penalties for crimes committed with firearms, as well as for accidents caused by neglectful use or storage of a firearm, as well as a licence- similar to a driver`s licence- that proves that you know how to use a gun safely."

    That is something I can get behind for sure. If a person is to own a gun, they should definitely know how to use it.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    "We need more gun regulations. Yearly mandatory mental health screenings for all gun owners (paid for by the gun owners) would be a good place to start."

    Another reason why this is a bad idea, Govt. would get their ass sued everytime somebodys family member was killed by a gun. I`d certainly sue them if they failed to regulate that which they said they will regulate and said failure caused direct harm to a loved one.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
    355 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    I love when people say that we need more gun laws - these people never think for one sec that if someone really wants to get a gun they can. No extra law or screening process in the world can stop a crazy person hell bent on killing someone.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    "I just think it`s sad that we live in a world where people will suggest everyone should bring a gun to a school board meeting, just in case. "

    Honestly I think the law should be something more along the line of `a person may not bring a firearm to any public location that will hold a 2:1 or greater ratio of kids to adults.` This would allow firearms to be carried at school board meetings (kids never go to those things.) and still keep them away from kids at school. I know this isn`t perfect, but it`s better than what we have now.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
    189 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Criminals respect laws all the time, so they`d respect gun laws too, right?
    Right?
    That`s why they`re called criminals.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    "All his shots missed? Thats divine intervention. "

    That`s terrible aim and a nervous trigger finger. Proof: He accidentally shot the floor.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    "Constitutional right. End of story."

    This.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    "no one got shot - the guy had duds in his mag. he wanted to commit suicide by police "

    god another person that doesnt know a damned thing about the post. somebody DID get shot. it was off a ricochet like i said earlier. He was NOT using blanks or `duds` as you call them. You can clearly see a mark appear when the tard shoots the floor.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    @T-Marley: "Cause you know, we Americans are not much for when it comes to an authority telling us what to do." Very funny, I`m guessing that was an ironic statement considering the usa is the most regulated country in the world by a long way. You not only have the most laws in all of history, but you also turn out more new laws and regulations every year than most countries turn out in decades. So conversely, you actually love authority telling you what to do!
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    Nebbie Male 18-29
    864 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm
    Can we argue about the actual video? For instance, am I really the only one who noticed he drew the symbol from V for Vendetta on the wall?
  110. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Well if you were to take one thing away from that whole paragraph, I`m glad it was that.

    Now, you can`t be expected to know that this debate has ranged from three or four gun related posts, and you can`t have the entire context of what has been said.

    Has America become far too litigious? Yes indeed. Earlier I spoke about the fact that an armed populace is supposed to be a check and balance just like the three branches of our government, and one that we Americans have forgotten about while sitting on our laurels.

    Not to mention that our authority is from the people, which is why gun control has never had the support needed to pass with the regulations that have been bandied about here anyways.

    Now, instead of picking things apart, why don`t you answer the questions in the post, and tell me how you would practically deal with 200 million privately used firearms?
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    So what? Did this guys wife get fired or released from the DOE? I have a Police officer friend. He has told me that their suicide calls have gone up about 4 per month in the District. That`s a population of 5000. It`s only going to get worse.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    There are more restrictions in America on car ownership than gun ownership.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
    2345 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    \/\/\/\/ its not a right to drive a car \/\/\/\/
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    Oh I don`t know about that madest. In Hawaii it`s very strict. You have to register with Dept of Public Safety, do a background check, have no criminal record. Follow the laws for transport and storage while out of the house. Pay hefty feesm and if a rifle or shotgun you must take a 3 day hunters education class as well including obtaining a hunters permit.

    For car sales all you have to do is sign the deed over if you have clear ownership, pay the title fee and register it at Motor vehicles in 3 days.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
    425 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 5:29 pm
    See? if one of the people who were in that chamber had a concealed that would have ended MUCH quicker, and furthermore i find it extremely hard to believe that the man missed the middle board member who said "please dont" he was 7 feet away from him, you can`t miss at that range unless you`re totally inebriated
  116. Profile photo of inaria
    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Sad that his wife got fired and he felt desperate enough to shoot up a school board meeting.

    I wonder if he intentionally missed the people just to scare them, or if he was super nervous and just missed.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    This is a perfect situation for the normal, everyday citizen to have a concealed weapon. Banning guns won`t make them go away.
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    Metum Male 13-17
    155 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    He went in that room with no intention to kill. If he was there to kill he would have capped the dumb broad that tried to disarm him.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    @Nerd Rage

    There`s lots of people who miss from that range and even closer. You apparently missed the video of a man trying to shoot a lawyer and missed pont blank firing until his chamber was empty. Some people suck at shooting.
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    amped35 Male 13-17
    255 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    poo, this is my city.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    "There are more restrictions in America on car ownership than gun ownership."

    Obvious troll is obvious.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    "He went in that room with no intention to kill."

    Correction. He went in that room with no intention to kill women. He told all the women to get out.

    He was going to shoot the chairman of the board, then kill himself.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    "somebody DID get shot"

    Yeah, the dude. Three times, then one from his own gun.

    No they weren`t blanks. That was just some Jules from Pulp Fiction divine intervention stuff.
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    SoberGuy Male 18-29
    347 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    "I wonder if he intentionally missed the people just to scare them, or if he was super nervous and just missed."

    maybe both. this man killed himself, he was desperate and hopeless. no matter what anyone says here, there will still be other suffering souls like him. its not about guns.i dont think he was a bad man and i know he is not gonna be the last.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    "i dont think he was a bad man"

    No. He was a horrible, (failed) murdering bastard.

    Yes, he deserved to die and I hope he burns in hell! /Samuel Jackson
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    YugureKage Female 18-29
    1205 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    Does anyone have an update on this? Did the chairman die from that shot?
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    KitFox Female 30-39
    595 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    Thanks, IAB. Now I will have nightmares.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
    683 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    That was freaky. I would have just burst out crying in that situation, no joke.
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    shinichimaru Male 18-29
    65 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 10:09 pm
    @ 57 sec. what the hell did that lady think she was doin by hittin him with her purse? people die by trying to be heroes. she shoulda been slapped..tard
  130. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 10:15 pm
    "Does anyone have an update on this? Did the chairman die from that shot?"

    He wasn`t even hit. = God.
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    logandaninja Male 13-17
    227 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 10:22 pm
    it is important to note that most fatal shootings happen in gun free zones
  132. Profile photo of shepherd
    shepherd Male 30-39
    137 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 10:42 pm
    Every one was ok except the man shot himself
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    "it is important to note that most fatal shootings happen in gun free zones"

    If there were no gun free zones, we wouldn`t have to worry about fatal shootings in gun free zones lol.
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    December 15, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    Lol, first of all. That guy was one horrible shot. At that range, I could split a hair with my 1911. I`m surprised he managed to shoot himself.

    Second. People need to start getting used to this kind of thing. Because we in America are currently witnessing nothing short of the fall of Rome. This is just a snowflake compared to the avalanche we`re going to see over the next decade.
    Every great empire comes to an end folks.
    What makes you think we`re any different?
  135. Profile photo of Thorgrimmer
    Thorgrimmer Male 18-29
    180 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 12:40 am
    He didn`t want to kill anyone except himself. If he did, he would have.
  136. Profile photo of aikiman
    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 5:23 am
    @T-Marley:"Well if you were to take one thing away from that whole paragraph, I`m glad it was that." What? that your governement has cleverly convinced you that you don`t let authority tell you what to do when in fact you do exactly that?
    "Now, you can`t be expected to know that this debate has ranged from three or four gun related posts" - I know, my brain hurts after reading more posts than I can count on my fingers.
    "Has America become far too litigious? Yes indeed" So you agree with my initial point
    "Not to mention that our authority is from the people" So who is this other `authority` you don`t likw telling you what to do?
    "how you would practically deal with 200 million privately used firearms?" Well since you asked nicely, I`d make bullets incredibly expensive.
  137. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 7:07 am
    There are more restrictions in America on car ownership than gun ownership.
    The right to own a car is not specifically guaranteed by the Constitution.

    Oh, sorry, I forgot you`re a liberal, and that means the Constitution doesn`t matter to you if it conflicts with your personal policy preferences.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 7:13 am
    I`d make bullets incredibly expensive.

    Ya it`s not like you can reload shotgun and brass casings oh ya you can. Then you`ve also pissed off millions of gun owners good idea! How about we have people who know something about firearms make laws for them.
  139. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 7:18 am
    Old Ollie said: "Oh, sorry, I forgot you`re a liberal, and that means the Constitution doesn`t matter to you if it conflicts with your personal policy preferences."

    Which is why we`d love to hear your take on Conservatives wanting to mess with the 14th amendment.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36176 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 7:27 am
    All`s well that ends well. :-)

    None of the "innocent" politicians were killed.
    No bystanders got hurt.
    And we don`t have the expense of a long trial.

    Win / Win {yes, even for the gunman. This was suicide by cop}
  141. Profile photo of DixxyRarr
    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 8:02 am
    Then you`ve also pissed off millions of gun owners good idea!

    What do you mean by this sentence? I don`t want to accuse, but it sounds like you`re saying that some gun owners can become dangerous enough to cause unnecessary harm to others just because they are `pissed off`.
    I don`t want to live in a world where people bully others into getting what they want.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 8:12 am
    "Which is why we`d love to hear your take on Conservatives wanting to mess with the 14th amendment."

    We don`t. We want it followed.

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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 8:13 am
    Gerry1of1: Do you think it was a WIN/WIN for his family?
  144. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 8:51 am
    "Do you think it was a WIN/WIN for his family?"

    I can`t really say I care.

    He should have thought of that. I am not gonna feel bad for his family for him.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 9:00 am
    @DixxyRarr

    Bad news then you already do.

    What I mean by that is take a crowd of miliions of people from any country and try to tell me everyone in the crowd is perfectly mentally stable and I`ll show you otherwise.
  146. Profile photo of DixxyRarr
    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 9:35 am
    McGovern1981: I agree that not everyone is going to be mentally stable. And I agree that we are already being bullied.

    But, do you think the solution to this problem is an increase in guns and a decrease of gun laws?
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 9:37 am
    auburnjunky: Yeah, he should have thought of that. Sad. I feel bad for his family though, I couldn`t imagine what this feels like for them right now.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
    4033 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 10:06 am
    @Dixxyrarr - saw a follow up this a.m. - he did five years in jail a while back for dressing up in camo, stalking his ex-wife and sticking a gun through her car window ready to fire - she didn`t seem to be taking it all that bad.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 10:09 am
    The purse lady is drating moron!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    @DixxyRarr

    Well back in the early 1900`s most people carried a gun and people were polite because if they didn`t consider the consequences of their actions they might get shot. As for laws I think the problem is they`re made state by state and even by county for something considered a right in the constitution don`t you think they should be standard nationwide?
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    @McGovern1981, You forgot to say "yes maam, no maam, please and thankyou" like the 1900`s when people were polite.

    laws applied by the state resticting gun ownership were struck down by the US Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller
  152. Profile photo of DixxyRarr
    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    McGovern1981: Yeah, I think they should be standard nation wide. But, I also think it should be much harder to get a gun, keep a gun and use a gun. I wish not as many people of the `wrong` people had them.
    As for your 1900`s society, I don`t think either of us could prove WHY it was that everyone seemed more polite back then. But if you were right, I don`t think a society that is polite to each other just because they are scared of being shot to death would be very productive at all. Living in fear of one another doesn`t seem very free/happy/fun/etc.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    vv Oh ya there`s more to it than that and I don`t think it was based on fear more like a respect for other people and less crime from not know who the hells packing. MAAMS & SIRS PLEASE THANK YOU DON"T SHOOT!
  154. Profile photo of aikiman
    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    @McGovern: Of course I should have thought, make bullets too expensive and everyone will buy shotguns and make their own shells. How stupid of me.
    "Then you`ve also pissed off millions of gun owners good idea!" That comment alone proves to me that banning firearms is essential. I`m so happy that I live in a country..no a continent.. where I dont have to be worried of pissing people off in case they come and shoot me. Land of the free? Land of the constantly scared more like.
  155. Profile photo of aikiman
    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    "like a respect for other people and less crime from not know who the hells packing"
    The word you`re looking for isn`t respect, it`s fear. Have you heard the expression `respect has to be earned`? You seem to think that respect is something you buy over the counter with your gun. Is it relative? Do you respect someone more the bigger gun they have?
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    Theyoyoguy Male 18-29
    462 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    At least he was able to shoot himself
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    spazking Male 18-29
    301 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    is that a v from v for vendetta on the wall?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    The only people who are against gun ownership, are liberals, and people who have never had true freedom.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    Aikiman, you can reload any caliber of bullet, not just shotgun shells. Secondly, I have about 1500 rounds of ammunition on me. While I did not, because I knew he had bigger things on his plate, the price of ammunition skyrocketed after Obama was elected. Wal-Mart was limiting how many boxes you could buy at a time because the shelves were bare. Didn`t change much. When you can buy 500 round cans from russia for 100 bucks or less...

    You just shifted the problem, because along with those 200 million guns are billions of bullets already in circulation or in storage.

    Dixxy, are there any openings in your fantasy world? I`m sure a lot of people would like to be there. I prefer to see the world as it is. A bully is no less of a bully without a gun. Let`s say they just break in to your house and throw your baby in the microwave unless you do everything they tell them.
  160. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Aikiman, it isn`t fear. No one needs to fear me. I have never harmed anyone, robbed anyone, accidentally shot anyone, threatened anyone with a gun, knife, or baseball bat. No one passes me on the street and knows I am armed. I know the rules, safety, target acquisition, knowing what is beyond your target. The only person who should fear me is the criminal who decides to make his presence known if I am near. Even they won`t fear me for long.

    Similarly, I am not in constant fear. Am I alert? Yes. But only a fool is not. Am I prepared? Yes. But I hope and pray I never have to use my preparations.

    Let`s also not forget that the original intent wasn`t just to safeguard against bandits. Being the most armed militia in the world is a huge deterrent to any sort of military invasion of the US. We have always been citizen soldiers.
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    thisismary Female 18-29
    99 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    Mr. Husfelt was my high school principal before he was elected to the school board. I can`t imagine what any of the other candidates who were running for superintendent at the time would have done in this situation, but someone other than the gunman probably would have ended up dead.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    @auburnjunkie: Really? Can you name any Liberals against the 14th? Sorry, Skippy, but when cons like Old Ollie try to accuse Libs as being the only ones who don`t respect the Constitution, they take a flying leap into the dung heap. Hope he`s not a buddy of yours, because, well, he`s an idiot.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    "The only people who are against gun ownership, are liberals, and people who have never had true freedom."
    umm... i`m a liberal, and i feel that owning a gun is one of the last true and important freedoms in the US.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 16, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    Thanks smilinsam, the libertarian.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    i`m a liberal, and i feel that owning a gun is one of the last true and important freedoms in the US.
    Then why are you siding with people who want nothing more that to take that freedom away from you?
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 16, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    @T-Marley: I didn`t realise you were all that desparate, I`d ban handguns immediately then.

    `people were polite because if they didn`t consider the consequences of their actions they might get shot` You`re seriously saying that if you didn`t have guns, your country would descend into anarchy? What a strange place you live.
    "No one needs to fear me" Not you, you implied that the only reason you `respect` people is because they may be packing. That`s fear not respect.
    "But only a fool is not" or someone who doesn`t live in a gun culture. Guess what, most of the rest of the world don`t give it a second thought because being shot is as unlikely a scenario as being struck by lightning.
    "Being the most armed militia in the world is a huge deterrent to any sort of military invasion of the US. We have always been citizen soldiers." Now that is the funniest thing I`ve heard all week!
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 12:24 am
    Buddy show me where I implied the only way someone has my respect is if they are carrying a weapon?

    I respect anyone until they give me reason not to, because I judge a person on his merit, not because he might shoot me...I don`t fear those who might shoot me either.

    We aren`t talking about just being alert from being shot, being alert in general helps keep one alive. You may not be as likely to be shot, but you still have risks of mugging and other criminal activity, a bus that swerves to miss a car, and any other thing in this world that could happen.

    No one is desperate either, the truth is that there is too much ammo and weaponry in this country to ever ban it effectively.

    As far as a militia being funny to you...I`m glad you can get some enjoyment out of it, but in any military action we have been in the prospect of invading us has been made even more unpleasant by how we are "gun nuts".
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2010 at 12:29 am
    @aikiman:

    Why are you even commenting? What country in Europe do you live in?

    I ask that because I can either say "Fine, whatever.", or I can blast your ass for judging us for having the right to bear arms, when your country is a socialist piece of poo that doesn`t give you that freedom.

    Also, why are you giving the United States poo? Unless you are from Germany, and a Nazi, you should be THANKING us. We saved your non war winning asses! Britain would have gotten their asses kicked without our help, and the Soviets were ALLIES with Germany until they were attacked by the Nazis. If we hadn`t intervened, Germany would have never attacked the USSR. They would have just said "We will take the rest of Europe, thanks." We did it. We saved your grandparents from either a)speaking German or b)the gas chamber.

    Our right to bear arms, and the rest of our constitution, gave us the ability (indirectly) to travel over an ocean, and save a CONT
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 12:29 am
    You know Aik, I`m not sure who put your panties in a twist, but notice that in my comments I`m not belittling you? Strange how you treat those who disagree with you.

    Bottom line is that I don`t fear being shot any more than you do. We here in America like our guns, as is obvious by the failing of any attempts to take our guns away from us. We also respect those who don`t like guns by not forcing them to buy them.

    Speaking of respect being earned, you have earned none, so I`m pretty much through with this. I`m glad Europe is so faultless and perfect to you, stay there.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2010 at 12:32 am
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    1000 chars max?

    I call shenanigans.

    ....CONTINENT from being conquered.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2010 at 3:43 am
    "Why are you even commenting?" - I was bored

    "Also, why are you giving the United States poo?" - I`m not, you have a wonderful country with wonderful people. I`m trying to make the point that you don`t have to own a gun, be afraid of someone pulling a gun on you, be concerned that anyone you p*ss off may try to shoot you. It doesn`t have to be that way.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2010 at 3:55 am
    @T-Marley: So what is it then? Do you want to own a gun because you like it, which is fair enough. Or do you want to own a gun because you feel it keeps you safe? All lof your posts up until the last one talked about gun=respect, gun=safe, gun=deterant.
    My whole argument is that you feel you need a gun because others own guns and they may use it against you. It`s a perpetual escalation.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 4:08 am
    Tell it to this woman Aik...it doesn`t have to be this way...but it is.

    "It doesn`t have to be this way"

    No, it doesn`t. We don`t have to have corruption, or murder, or rape, or any bad things. But sometimes the bad thing have something else in mind.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 4:21 am
    And again Aik, it was not I who was equating a gun with respect. That was McGovern. I don`t respect anyone more or less because they have a gun, but how they use one may have an effect. As might their opinions or ignorant condescension

    I enjoy shooting immensely, something you probably can not understand. I don`t feel that it keeps me safe, as I have never used it and yet am still relatively safe. I don`t have a sign that says "I have a gun" so how is it going to keep me any less likely involved in criminal activity? I do feel that it is a deterrent, and that it will help ensure my safety should the need arise. So does my knife, so do my fists, and so does my wit. I also feel that any weapon is an extension of political force, and that the threat of rebellion from an armed populace is an integral part of my nation which again I say is something we have forgotten. In my eyes, it is part of our duty as citizens.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 5:30 am
    Furthermore I don`t think you are quite understanding what McGovern was saying. He was saying that back in the day your words and actions had consequences. Run your mouth long enough and someone would challenge you to a duel (Not an American invention by the way.)

    It was a time when people actually had honor, and before a duel was with a gun, it was with a sword, before that a rock. It was not about the weapon giving your more respect, but your honor making you answer for your words. You could deny a duel then just as easily as accept it, but it would impinge upon your honor.

    Fresh in the news today...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 17, 2010 at 6:31 am
    vv Thanks T-Marley that what I ment just wasn`t too clear. The U.S.A. and British have never agreed on this it`s a big part of what created this country they said "We`re taking your guns" and we said "Hmmmm no"
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    December 17, 2010 at 8:10 am
    auburnjunkie you are an arsehole, you should wipe that crap around you that bullpooting mouth of yours.
    Aikiman one day they will come around their senses and control their immature gun laws.They are still young.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 8:23 am
    @T-Marley: "And again Aik, it was not I who was equating a gun with respect" - Fair enough, I apologise, I got you two mixed up.

    Instead of going over fresh arguments that neither of us are going to back down on. If banning handguns or increasing the cost of ammo doesn`t work, how about following the Swiss model and having compulsary national service and continued training to ensure that everyone who has a gun is fully trained in its use and they are a true national defence force.
    I too enjoy shooting, I shoot regularly on a friends farm on the moors in a very straighlaced, highly regulated British type of way...
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 8:25 am
    @auburnjunky: `Britain would have gotten their asses kicked without our help` Now that made me laugh more than the militia comment
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 9:32 am
    @aikiman:

    Well whether or not it made you laugh is irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, we were funneling volunteer troops, weapons, and supplies to England.

    Do you honestly think, that if we had never participated in WWII, England would have been able to hold off the Germans forever?
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 10:46 am
    Aik, that is something that I could get behind. I even like the old Starship Troopers model of to be a citizen you have to have served, and those who don`t can enjoy the benefits but not control the outcome. I do believe that if you take the responsibility of owning a gun then you need to own the responsibility of using it safely and properly.

    I`m not trying to change your mind, but show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters. Just because we have guns doesn`t make us uncivilized. Of those 200 million guns in country, I would say most of us do a pretty good job keeping them holstered.

    And though I agree with you, compulsory service would not fit within the constitution. Having a standing army was something we struggled with from our inception to WWII. We were born from a piece of paper. There is an incredible conversation between Washington and the French about this very subject, I wish I could find it.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    December 17, 2010 at 10:57 am
    As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is; remember that the only other time it was laughed at was by the likes of Cornwallis and Howe, and laughing didn`t stop them from getting stomped.

    Granted, I would move to say Howe did the best job of helping the fledgling US win, and Clinton helped a good bit as his successor. Had they just given Cornwallis command from the beginning, I might be drinking tea right now, militia or no militia.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    @auburnjunky: "Do you honestly think, that if we had never participated in WWII, England would have been able to hold off the Germans forever?" Yes, read your history. Hitler trying to take over Russia is what saved mainland Europe. Britain had already dominated the air and the seas with superior national air defense and the more powerful Navy. The US came in useful later on in the war The Americans came in useful, rather late in the war (along with the Commonwealth and considerable other allied armies) by ensuring that western mainland Europe did not fall to the communists.
    We then saved your asses by letting you secure your export markets, while we paid for the greatest cost of 6 years of war.
    A case of Britain subsidising America in securing future US trade.
    Remember, Britain declared war on Germany in the spirit of safeguarding democracy in Europe. America had no interest in safeguarding democracy and only entered the war in order to defend ITSELF against Axis
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    "...show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters" I have no doubt that there are. But all we see from over here is a country obsessed with guns who has one of the highest number of gun related crimes, murders and suicides and it seems obvious to us that there is a link. Especially when some of the comments thrown around when these discussions come up make your country seem one step away from the wild west. I just don`t understand living somewhere where I felt that carrying a gun was as essential as you seem to suggest.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
    255 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    "As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is". From the comments I read on here about how important it is to carry a gun for personal safety, it seems you barely have a society, never mind a militia. If you`re serious about a militia, as I said earlier, the Swiss have it sorted. Except they have one of the highest gun related suicide rates in the world. Ce la vie..

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