Charity & Donations Tell A Lot About The Man [Pic]

Submitted by: catbarf 6 years ago in Misc

Who are the people you look up to? How much do they give back?
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Male 6,693
And yet I still have a house payment.
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Female 614
ruthless: fair enough, but spread the word in the christian community to not judge atheists by their lack of what you call "faith". the point of this is that we are good people without needing a higher power, not that you guys are bad. i don`t think they were trying to insult all christians.

the reason i stopped going to church was the fact that most christians are not christ-like. i know of his teachings, and he was a good man who spread a good word. seeing it implemented (not only in christianity, mind you)makes it hard to respect organized religion. any one of them.

sorry for the long answer. point being, atheists want to be able to go to sleep at night knowing they were good people, just as much if not more so than some christians. religion doesn`t justify being a brat to people.
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Female 3,001
well, i dont care what other people do and dont do with their money, me and my family give away a massive percentage of our cash after tax, and we aren`t rich. we are Christians, but im not saying that means were better people, or that we wouldn`t do it if we weren`t believers, but just because there are douche bag Christians, don`t judge us all to be the same. :)
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Male 384
fat pill-you putting your nonsense in caps doesn`t make you any less wrong.

of course pat doesn`t adverstise what he is doing, it is evil...

and buffett and gates tell people what they are doing because the 2 of them are trying to guilt other rich people into giving- both have stated this at different times.

it`s funny, this pic above pretty much mirrors what i have seen in my life- there are of course a few exceptions, but generally, the louder someone screams about their god, the worse of a person they tend to be when you get to really know them.
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Male 256
@Freddy Ferret
no need to apologize it is NOT all true. Christians are told in the Bible to NOT tell anyone abuot their Giving. The Truth of the matter is Pat Roberts does not Advertize what he is Doing AND Mr Gates and Buffett has not Followed through on their Claims so NO NOT GOOD WITHOUT GOD. WITH OUT GOD ALL YOU HAVE IS LIARS
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Male 670
drating WIN
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Male 5,189
That wasn`t very nice.
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Male 118
@almightybob1
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Male 330
blah blah blah. Good job pulling just a few people out of billions and thinking it represents something more than a biased opinion.
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Male 2,121
I really don`t understand evangelical atheists...
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Male 2,220
God will provide a way,
You read about it every day,
All you have to do is pray,
and furnish his house with silver.

Dammit. I miss Dax.


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Male 555
SmilinSam, SarahofBorg: I`m a preachers kid, and I couldn`t agree more. You can be religious or not, and still be evil.
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Female 3,598
I thought this needed to be retold, because this is what i was thinking, but she put it much more eloquently than i could have...

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
3:59:28 PM
You know, this isn`t really about attacking religion. It`s atheists defending themselves against people who claim that atheism makes you evil. It`s saying that you can be good without god and you can be evil with god, and your religious beliefs really have nothing to do with if you`re good or evil.
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Male 313
Overall we have discussed this several times before.
Many myths about donating and donations exist.

The poor give less overall in dollars but more in percentage of their income.

Conservatives give more than Liberals, etc.

and Religious organizations give a tremendous amount... See page 2

**Finally, the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.

Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization: **

Click here for an article from ABC News 2006
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Male 4,290
Kozy:

Regarding the first part - I was just clarifying your analogy, not commenting on the point you were trying to make. It didn`t make sense given your initial statement.

Regarding the second part - I wish you were true but unfortunately it`s true. Plenty of people still think you cannot behave morally as an atheist. Often this reflects their own immorality, especially when they justify that opinion by saying something along the lines of "if I didn`t believe in God I`d probab
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Male 313
Are you serious with the banhammer? LOL Is that your e-penis?

LOL.... too funny, it has to be a joke
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Male 118
@almightybob1
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Male 8,300
I`d be more convinced of their facts if they knew how to spell `evangelical` properly.
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Male 452
For the record, Warren Buffett`s gradual donation is reported to be closer to 85% of his wealth. I guess 99% sounds better for this propagandic nonsense. It`s still a crap load of money...but for someone who is worth 45 billion dollars it seems more like trimming some disposable income and leaving a legacy as a philanthropist.
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Male 1,781
The Bible is FILLED with allegories about sinning men of the church who are hypocrites and do not follow God`s word. It`s no surprise that it`s still true today. Pat Robertson`s hypocrisy is more a reflection of his refusal to adopt the tenants of his purported religion than a reflection of the religion itself.
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Male 40,226
Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable questions into unquestionable answers.
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Male 573
As an atheist I do understand that Pat Robertson does not represent all Christians. But I just don`t understand why some Christians would send money to him and give him their support.
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Male 4,290
[quote]@almightybob1
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Firstly, in your analogy the link should be of a black person committing no murders versus a white serial killer, with the tagline "Good without white skin".

If it were still a relevant point that people tried to make (i.e. claiming you can`t be good without white skin), then that would be interesting, and I would probably approve it.
But hardly anyone considers black people to be inherently immoral anymore. Most people agree that there`s no real difference. So it`s not interesting.

But plenty of people still claim that you can`t be good without God. So bringing up counterexamples IS interesting.

Hence why the first is inappropriate for IAB, and the second is appropriate.
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Male 1,623
"Two atheists who give a lot of money don`t represent all atheists. One Christian who doesn`t give at all doesn`t represent all Christians. And thank goodness for that.
Besides this, if your life doesn`t show what you claim to believe then do you actually believe it or are you just in it for the money?"

It absolutely destroys the Christian argument that a secular person can`t be good.
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Male 2,619
I say the last one is `shopped too. They cant even spell Evangelical correctly!
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Male 76
It`s always astonishing to see how shocked the public gets when they find out that any given tele-evangalist is a huckster, con-artist. Really America? Have you not caught onto their game yet? And P.S. this is not a statement against Christians in any way. These guys are evil all on their own and would have found another way if it was presented to them.
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Male 339
@PTPete: So Warren Buffet gives 99% of all his money for a tax deduction? I`m sorry but unless the tax deduction becomes well over 100% it`s legitimate charity with no strings attached. He, Gates and Mark Zuckerberg have joined "The Giving Pledge" that pledges to give at least 50% of all their wealth at a minimum to charity. No tax deduction in the world could justify that.

Stop being so cynical. They`re good people.
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Female 387
Two atheists who give a lot of money don`t represent all atheists. One Christian who doesn`t give at all doesn`t represent all Christians. And thank goodness for that.
Besides this, if your life doesn`t show what you claim to believe then do you actually believe it or are you just in it for the money?
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Female 1,963
acanatane, it is. The original ads didn`t include the last panel. I know I`ve already said that once, but I think it`s a pretty key point. The last panel is what makes these ads borderline offensive, and certainly a little aggressive. Without it, I think they make a very good, positive campaign.

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Female 276
I feel the last one has been shopped in, but still.
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Male 118
@kw112
@almightybob1
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I think I`ll make all my large replies like this. I`m sick and tired of this 1000 character limit bullsh*t. (not sayin it`s not needed)
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Female 1,236
Aren`t donations tax-deductible or something? I thought true charity was supposed to be done anonymously. Rich people-->I am not one of them.
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Male 322
I live in Dubai and go to the world`s largest parish by numbers: 300,000 active parishioners at St. Mary`s Catholic Church here. When the floods hit Pakistan, the parishioners banded together - all Christian, mind you - and over the course of a month managed to collect one million dollars and send to them. Not all donated, but its enough to say bull poo to the idiot who posted this on IAB, considering all he`s doing is purposely starting a flame war for no reason except to troll. If you had any guts, you`d give REAL statistics instead of your fake propaganda, my friend.
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Male 226
I can`t find that card anywhere.
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Male 118
I think davymid is a pretty cool guy. eh bans spammers and doesn’t afraid of anything.
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Male 3,631
You got this whole Hammer thing going Davy - I kind of dig it. BTW, just for the annals of I-A-B record, thanks for not banning him - that`s how we roll.
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Male 12,138
vv Holy wall of text, Batman. Yep, that`ll do it. Come back next month, OddLizard. Try to be less of a troll next time. Not how we roll around here.

Best of luck, the I-A-B Community.

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Male 19
ShadowVamp
sorry thought i did love that man
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Male 19
But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father`s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21
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Male 19
that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, Let us go and worship other gods,then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,both its people and its livestock. You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, and none of the condemned things are to be found in your hands.
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Male 19
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.
Zechariah 13:3
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Male 19
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
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Male 19
A priest`s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9
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Male 19
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9
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Male 19
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." Leviticus 20:13
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Male 19
You should not let a sorceress live. Exodus 22:17
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Male 19
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19
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Male 19
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. Exodus 21:15
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Male 12,138
Dude, just link the George Carlin video from youtube. I`m always amazed at the amount of people that post vids in the comments, with spaces added, advising other users to check the link but to delete the spaces, so that it might bypass the auto-censor. When there`s a "link" button to the right of the comment box. We allow links here, always have done. As radical as it sounds, we ain`t da po-lice.
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Male 12,138
"Religion easily has the greatest bullpoo story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there`s an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever `til the end of time...but he loves you"
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Female 1,008
Also the last one is `shopped. Most formal atheist organizations are very positive and try not to point fingers. It`s mostly just a bunch of liberals who get together to celebrate the solstice, hug each other, and feel as though they`re not alone.

Notice how the last one doesn`t have any endorsements at the bottom too.
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Female 362
OddLizard, you could at least credit George Carlin if you`re going to use his words verbatim.
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Female 1,008
Hmmm.

Well I guess I should start out by stating where I stand. I am an atheist. There you go.

I also think that this is just the same old bullpoo that Christians have been spouting, just reversed: "Ohh Hitler and Stalin were atheists hurpa durpa doo."

There are good people and there are bad people and there are in-between people too. Some of them are Christians, some of them are Jews, some of them are atheists. It doesn`t matter.
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Male 19
People often say that they would be willing to die for their beliefs... and many have, through centuries of brutal oppression of religious freedom.

While I doubt that most people would be willing to die for their god these days, I wonder who would be willing to kill for god.

What if god commanded you to kill your first born?

What if god commanded you to kill your neighbor, to punish him for his wickedness?

If you knew of someone who`s ideas were so dangerous, that it would drive thousands of souls away from god - would you be morally right in killing them?

Would you sacrifice your own immortal soul to save the soul of others?
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Male 19
Religion easily has the greatest bullpoo story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there`s an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever `til the end of time...but he loves you
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Male 176
A wise man once said something along the lines of "The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."

seems like even at the root of religion there lies money, and well I think I was just about to prove religion=evil but meh most of you guys here know that already.
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Male 12,138
Also, for balance, I do think this is a bullsh*t link. Just because two philanthropists happen to be generous and one corrupt evangelist asshat happens to be a dick, doesn`t make a very good case for me.

I know many atheists who are first-class c*cks when it comes to charity, and the vast majority of Christians I know are very warm and generous people who would readily vacate their own bed to offer it to a complete stranger, if they were in need.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Atheism is a prejudice and nothing more.[/quote]
Complete and utter bullwank, Heureux. Atheism is nothing to do with prejudice (which Mirriam-Webster defines as :"an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge"). Atheism is a lack of belief in any god or gods. Nothing more. That`s all it is. I happen to be atheist, and to call me prejudiced is kinda offensive, personally. I assure you, I`m not.

To paraphrase a wiser man than I, an atheist addressing a Christian might say: "I contend that we are BOTH atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. You presumably don`t believe in Odin, or Thor, or Apollo, or Jupiter, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. When you understand why you dismiss all those possible gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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Male 505
Gerry1of1:

Bad analogy. Superman is real :S
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Male 6
Not saying I disagree or anything, but I always prefer more proof/evidence in my insults so they don`t just come across as stupid. I mean, all someone has to do is change the ending for the first two to "buying the appearance of goodness with loads of money which they`ll never miss anyway," and the third guy`s to "widely considered a good fellow already so he doesn`t have to buy favor like those guys."

Again, not saying it isn`t true, but this is little more than a grade-school insult.
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Male 115
Religion is a system of control for the masses.
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Male 40,226
If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove the existence of Superman.
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Male 1,118
@LazyMe484
Yep, he said that the Haitians made a deal with the devil to gain freedom from the French, and the earthquake and all the other bad sh*t that happened in Haiti was god`s punishment.

He also linked Hurricane Katrina to legalized abortion.

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Male 4,290
[quote]But don`t the admins approve what is submitted? If yes, then isn`t the admin who approved this just as "douchey" as the individual who submitted it?[/quote]
Yes, we do approve links. But we predominantly work with what we`re given. If the userbase is tired of religious posts, don`t submit them. You have a far greater say in the content of IAB than the mods do - we rely on your submissions for the great majority of links.

And there`s no way of knowing which admin approved the link. For all I or you know, it could have been resident God-botherer Lionhart.

I have approved plenty of links which go against my personal political/religious/cultural beliefs, because they were interesting. And I have vetoed plenty of links that did adhere to my beliefs, because they were boring.
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Male 10,440
@almightybob1 You have a point there.

This is the first time I am hearing about Robertson`s diamond mines, and I suppose I shouldn`t assume it`s true until I see or read more.

I suspect that is has merit though, as isn`t Robertson the cracker who thinks that the earthquake in Haiti was caused by collaboration with French pirates in the 18th century - or something like that?
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Female 1,963
almightybob1, you are correct. The original ads did not include the last panel.

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Male 1,118
I think almightybob is right. `Tis shopped. They look like standalone ads just put together in one image, and I really don`t see the purpose of the Pat Robertson one by itself. Some dude just put the ads together and created the bottom one.
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Male 118
@almightybob1
"December 29, 2010 4:51:34 PM"
But don`t the admins approve what is submitted? If yes, then isn`t the admin who approved this just as "douchey" as the individual who submitted it?
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Male 118
@Mr_Pedo_Bear
Your link does not work.
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Male 118
@kw112
[quote]Therefore what I meant was that atheists (we) ALL deny the existence of god. Our common belief IS that there is no god.[/quote]
I could say that I don`t believe in gods, but does that mean I believe that there are no gods out there?

[quote]Therefore X is defined by their COMMON belief that oranges do not exist[/quote]
X is define by their common LACK of a belief in oranges, not that they believe that there are no oranges out there.
I could say that I don`t believe in oranges, but does that mean I believe that there are no oranges out there?

Why is this important? Well, would you say that a person who never came across X as a person who believes X does not exist or would you say that they lack the belief that it exists? See the difference?

@Reganom
Questioning what you think is illogical is a form of challenging them. You can be curious all you want. I don`t give a sh*t about that.
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Male 4,290
I`m surprised that nobody seems to have pointed out the obvious - that the last panel is `shopped. The font and text size are different, there are spelling and grammar mistakes where the first two are perfect, and the logos of various organisations are missing.

I`m not usually one to call "Shopped!", but here it actually DOES matter, because adding that third panel completely changes the meaning.

With the third panel, we just have propaganda that CJ and co. can lap up because this is one area where the statistics actually back him.

Without the third panel, what we have is clearly a campaign aimed AT non-believers by other non-believers, encouraging/shaming them to be more generous (no doubt in response to the statistics CJ linked).

It`s not atheist point-scoring, it`s an attempt to encourage generosity.
If anything, the cheap point-scoring comes from whoever attempted to make it look like propaganda by adding the third panel.
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Male 10,440
... on the flip side, I will admit that many Christians are very generous people - even if you not count those who are generous in the wrong way.
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Male 35
This isn`t an anti religion post, it`s an anti Pat Robertson post. And in a country where Sarah Palin can run for vice president you can see how a guy like Pat can con so many people.


Don`t worry atheists God will judge Pat in the end.
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Male 10,440
[quote] there is a difference. the main difference being that atheists act exactly like fundamentalist christians and "spread the truth", point fingers and make false accusations, while agnostics mind their own business. [/quote]

Nope. Moderate atheists "spread the truth" as much as moderate christians do. The whole idea of a fundamentalist or extremist atheist is absurd... So someone really *really* doesn`t believe in god? So what? You can`t have less belief than none. Are they going to impose their disbelief on you? Why should that matter? Are you afraid of their cold, evil logic?

On the plus side, this post made me smile, I think its great that the richest people are giving or saying that they will give away most of their wealth. What is the point of having a billion dollars when you die if you do nothing useful with it? There is only so much of it you can reasonably spend, and so much good the rest of it could do.
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Male 40,226
Religion is an organization bent on the dissemination of faith, over and above the meaning or truth of the object of that faith.
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Male 515
the difference the context of this ad, good with out good encompasses agnostics, they just don`t care. It`s naive to say that atheists act exactly like fundamentalists christains, Although I have a bias but it seems that the former don`t sit around and preach hate at every turn.
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Male 4,290
[quote]now we have all these douchey admins posting their atheistic bs all over the place[/quote]
Actually, if you look at the first post, you`ll see this was submitted by catbarf, who is not an admin.
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Male 505
[quote]That`s exactly what makes you annoying. For me, I don`t care how illogical one is. I only care if they leave me alone. If I want my belief challenged I`ll join the debate team. [/quote]

It annoys you that i`m curious about their belief? That i would like to know what a specific part of their belief system means to them? I`m not challenging their beliefs, i want to know more about them.

If that annoys you then oh well, i apologise.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Is there a reason why we are unable to post links and have italic texts in the same comment?[/quote]
Yes. That reason is, IAB is broken :P
It`s on our long list of bugs to be fixed when we can wrestle a few hours of tech support from the accountants at Demand Media. Last time we got the techies to concentrate more on the back-end and behind the scenes stuff.
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Male 179
warren buffett and bill gates are agnostics. NOT atheists. there is a difference. the main difference being that atheists act exactly like fundamentalist christians and "spread the truth", point fingers and make false accusations, while agnostics mind their own business.
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Male 3,819
people out in the world who don`t have that train of thought.

As silly as religion may seem to an atheist, it does do some good. I`d say more bad than good, sure. But thinking that, just because there are philanthropist atheists and corrupt priests in this world, that everybody falls into that same category is ridiculous. There are some extremely stupid and gullible people out there.
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Female 243
@Kozy

Here we go... An Atheist by definition is someone who denies the existence of god. Therefore what I meant was that atheists (we) ALL deny the existence of god. Our common belief IS that there is no god. Are you happy now or do I have to draw a picture?
You and Johnny both deny the existence of oranges. You and Johnny (as a group) are called X. Anybody that also denies the existence of oranges is called X. Therefore X is defined by their COMMON belief that oranges do not exist. I never said anything about not believing in god. I only ever mentioned not believing that god exists as an atheist belief.
I`m done defining words my man. If you still wanna argue, might as well save your breath because I really don`t give a poo. I`m pretty sure everyone else here understood what I was saying just fine.
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Male 3,819
Glad to see I-A-Bers still lack any comprehension skills and couldn`t understand a simple concept if it was spelled out with Crayolas.

Somebody explain to me why not believing in God would make somebody more wholesome than someone who does not? Other countries may have higher non-believer and lower crime rates, but I highly doubt they correlate. They`re just differences in society.

I never said that all of a sudden a majority of the world would turn anarchist, all I`m saying is that a person willing to rob a person may be more inclined to say "you can die, too, what`s the difference?" if they didn`t believe in God. The operative phrase here is "lowlifes get lower". I don`t believe in God, and yeah, I have morals, and it`s all fine and dandy that most of us can say the same... but you don`t speak for everybody. You can get away from the police, you can`t get away from "the eye of God" and you`re stupid if you don`t think there are lots of
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Male 997
@Kozy Mother Theresa how about i saw how mother theresa wasn`t that nice or holier then thou.
She was all for human suffering to fit into her belief that you must suffer to be near god. Her places of healing were just people sitting on beds not getting any real help. Her connections with the Duvalier family in Haiti receiving from evil dictators who stealing from their poor countrymen to give to the Catholic Church, Or the massive amounts of money people donated for her to build hospitals once again going to the Catholic Church. Yes the women was selfless and a sain on all accounts....
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Male 15,510
Accurate, most religion are all about money anyways
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Male 469
Anyone can donate money. The better people are who donate time and effort.
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Male 118
I got a question for the moderators.

Is there a reason why we are unable to post links and have italic texts in the same comment?
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Male 118
@kw112
[quote]All you dis there was pointlessly dissect what I said. By sharing "a common belief" I mean the belief that there is no god.[/quote]
That`s why you`re wrong. There is a HUGE difference between those who do not believe in god and those who believe god does not exist.

[quote]In the end, it all means the same poo.[/quote]
http://www.youtube [dot] com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
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Male 2,344
what dfines a person of God is their deeds, not their words. Pat Robertson is an horrible person.

doesn`t make him a man of God simply because he says he is.
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Male 313
After reading many of you and the logic:
People from New York that kill = New York is evil.
People that graduated from Stanford that steal = Stanford is evil.
People that drink Koolaid are brilliant = Koolaid has intelligent vitamins

because....
People that call themselves, Christian, Muslim (oops can`t say that it is not PC), Buddhist, etc. and do evil things = their Religion is evil.

oh.... and atheists that don`t believe in anything spiritual are virtuous? No beliefs = good

Did I get it right?
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Male 301
Yay! Thank goodness someone came along with this perfectly logical piece of information. Not only are there absolutely no sources to back up the blanket statements, but they`ve managed to pigeonhole an entire religion (an estimated 1.4 billion people) by the actions of one man. Hey, by that flawless logic I could say that because Castro was an atheist all atheists are inhuman barbarians bent on world conquest. Isn`t logic fun?!
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Male 535
@cobrakiller - which is exactly why, for example, putting an icthys, or a darwin fish, or a truth fish or an FSM on your car is a really bad idea.

Getting really vocal about something only leaves you open to the criticism that will inevitably follow, and you have to be prepared to deal with it.

"Jack*ss (Christian, Atheist, FSM...whatever) cut me off. That means they`re all bad."

It`s just the way humans work =D
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Male 118
@SarahofBorg
[quote]this isn`t really about attacking religion[/quote]
It stated that the wealthiest evangelical Christian is a cruel heartless man.

What if it said Person A is white and never kill anyone. Person B is black and killed many people. Would you say that`s not an attack on black people? Sure, it does not state black people are murderers, but it sure does imply a lot.
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Female 243
And as for my comment on communism I continued it shortly after
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Male 7,839
deviros,
"Not all individuals that proclaim to profess a faith actually PRACTICE said faith. Some use it for fame, some use it for power, some use it because they would be ostracized otherwise."

That seems to be the biggest problem with religion; all the stupid and vile sh*t done in its name. whether by someone who practices or somebody just using the name. It puts a bad stigma on the whole thing when only one person does something wrong. just like, a-hole atheists who make us all look bad.
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@Kozy
All you dis there was pointlessly dissect what I said. By sharing "a common belief" I mean the belief that there is no god. I could have said it the way you did "all we share is a lack of belief" but in the end it`s like arguing whether I shoulda said the glass was half empty or half full. In the end, it all means the same poo.
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Male 617
when did this website get so opinionated? i liked it more when only fancylad and his whimsically non-sidedness was the only one who posted...now we have all these douchey admins posting their atheistic bs all over the place. makes me want to find a new website for when Im bored...
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Male 535
@sarahofborg - No, it`s not.

Were there no third part - the "pat robertson is a cruel heartless man" part - then you could possibly be right. But the minute that muck is thrown, the "innocent defense" argument is lost.
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Male 40,226
@ SCFan - "[quote]A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men." (Matt 7:18 to 20). [/quote]



So you are saying they`re all fruits?

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Female 3,562
You know, this isn`t really about attacking religion. It`s atheists defending themselves against people who claim that atheism makes you evil. It`s saying that you can be good without god and you can be evil with god, and your religious beliefs really have nothing to do with if you`re good or evil.
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@Reganom
[quote]I merely question what i find illogical in their beliefs. Not out of spite, but out of genuine curiosity.[/quote]
That`s exactly what makes you annoying. For me, I don`t care how illogical one is. I only care if they leave me alone. If I want my belief challenged I`ll join the debate team.

Statists are stupid (for their stupid beliefs) and they won`t leave me alone. So I have a problem with them.

Religious people and theists are stupid (for their stupid beliefs), but at least they (for the most part) leave me alone. So I don`t have a problem with them.
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Male 535
@ everyone with a "how do you explain this?" article about a pastor or some Christian doing something "evil."

Not all individuals that proclaim to profess a faith actually PRACTICE said faith. Some use it for fame, some use it for power, some use it because they would be ostracized otherwise.

You cannot define the whole by looking at the parts that stick out the most. Humans - the media, people, individuals, etc - generally like to focus on the "bad" whilst ignoring the good - this is nothing new. Were Bill Gates to suddenly, and simultaneously, donate 3BN $US to the most happening charity of the moment, and 3BN $US to the National Aryan Movement (are they still around?), which do you think would become more public?

There`s a reason that the "good" Christians aren`t heard of publicly, but that doesn`t mean that they don`t exist, no matter how much rhetoric you care to spout otherwise.
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Male 58
@Reganom

Well that is good. I myself am a Christian, but I do not believe in being pushy on people.
I believe that good works work.
Sure there may be rich or well known Christians out there who did some very bad things, but like any religion, or lack of, there are extremists.

About a week ago, I was given a 10 minute lecture from an Athiest about how "Idiotic and retarded" Christianity is, all because I said "Merry Christmas" to the cashier.

I of course know that I cannot say all Athiests are like that just because one is, but what I am trying to say is that every belief, or lack of, has extremists, so saying that Christians are pushy is a bad excuse to hate us.

Some Christians are pushy, not all, and it is wrong and illogical to categorize us all as that just because you met a few who are.
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Male 113
It`s your choice whether or not you want to be a Christian. it`s not like a genetic disorder in which you also have the qualities of a massive douche bag. The guys a Christian and a douche not a Christian and therefore a douche.
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@kw112
[quote]we are just a group of people with ONE common belief at the least.[/quote]
You`re wrong.
Atheism is a lack of belief.
Atheism is not a belief.
"We" (whatever that is) "share" a common LACK of a belief. Although I`m not sure how it`s possible to share a lack of something.

Your comment regarding communism was cut off.

@Heureux
[quote]people of faith who were not billionaires gave from the little they had to fight poverty and disease[/quote]
Exactly, see mother Teresa. Someone find me an individual that had less than her, gave away more, and was an atheist.

@Airclot0
[quote]Athiests are like Christians. They can`t shut the hell up about what they believe in.[/quote]
They can`t shut the hell up about what they don`t believe in. I think atheists are WAY more annoying.
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Male 59
Are Buffet and Gates expressly Atheistic or non-religious? I have no idea what their religious views are... If it`s not common knowledge, this doesn`t have much strength behind it.
It`s like that Obama poster that says "Hitler gave good speeches, too."
Yeah, and Charles Manson took showers, and so do I... Does that mean that I`m gonna go on a killing spree?
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Male 505
Airclot0:

My comment was in no way intended to make you look stupid. From your post i got the impression that you thought atheism was a belief that there are no Gods. I was merely stating what atheism is, to me at the least.

As to your main point, i never push atheism at anyone. I merely question what i find illogical in their beliefs. Not out of spite, but out of genuine curiosity. For all i know, someone, someday, may have an answer that clicks with me.
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Male 535
What I can`t understand is why the Secular/Atheist Movement is so hung up on attacking "religion."

It makes absolutely NO SENSE for it to be such a... dare I say it.. zealous movement! The entire platform is that religion, and the "evangelical" movements themselves, are bad and terrible, yet they practice the same behaviours!

`Sides, I can easily reverse that arguments with equally rich people if they want to play like that.

Let`s play the game!
Stalin: ATHEIST! (self proclaimed) - killed people
Pol Pot: ATHEIST! (self proclaimed) - killed people
Hitler: CHRISTIAN! (self proclaimed) - killed people
Truett Cathy: CHRISTIAN! (self proclaimed) - gives lots of money away and makes good chicken.

Stupid ad is stupid.



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Male 7,839
chidoricody, it can actually mean both. the meaning is disagreed upon. but, i also agree.
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Male 58
"Erm the commonly held view of atheism, or at the very least my atheistic "beliefs" is actually a lack of belief. Not believing is not a belief."


Yeah I get it, you have no belief. Now can you address my main point without having to try to make me look stupid by pointing out something like that?
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Male 118
Bad without God I`m not sure as to how accurate it is, but not all of it was Stalin. I challenge anyone to find someone worse than him.

Let me just state the obvious.
Warren and Gates are not good because they are atheists.
Stalin was not bad because he was an atheist.
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Male 505
[quote]It`s ironic that these anti-religion groups make such illogical arguments.[/quote]

The argument that you can be good without God is illogical...?

[quote]Just goes to show, Athiests are like Christians. They can`t shut the hell up about what they believe in. [/quote]

Erm the commonly held view of atheism, or at the very least my atheistic "beliefs" is actually a lack of belief. Not believing is not a belief.
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Male 41,105
SO these two particular billionaires spend their whole lives WORSHIPING money and exploiting the masses to make more; now they`re getting old and the `final curtain` is comming, they get chicken-livers and start being generous?
For shame!

BUT those "evangelical ministers" can lick my butt before I`ll give them a penny! No "900 foot tall Jesus" needs ANY money! They are all scum and should be forced to return every dollar they swindled.
Double shame!!
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Male 58
I find it humorous how athiests say that Christians are pushy with their beliefs, and then turn around and do the exact same thing. Just goes to show, Athiests are like Christians. They can`t shut the hell up about what they believe in.
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Male 2,424
I think your ideas about god are wrong, and I hate your stupid troll face!

Also, I question your sexuality! Furthermore, I havea link to something I think is super smart, and proves without a doubt how right I am.

(am I doing this right so far?)
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Male 1,625
An assh*le is an assh*le. Powerful or not, although the apparent "give you life to god, and be like jesus" platform doesn`t stand well against this. If it`s true. I`ve never paid much attention to pat robertson, nor should anyone else 800 numbering for "the lord".
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Male 35
"Atheism just means absence of religion, nothing more."
It actually means no god, not no religion. But I agree nevertheless. Atheism isn`t prejudice, it`s a life choice. I`m a Christian who goes to church every week, but I still hate when people bag on atheists. I mean really, if you`re not atheist, it`s really none of your business.
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Male 244
o.o
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Male 4,680
It`s ironic that these anti-religion groups make such illogical arguments.
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Male 1,118
[quote] Atheism is a prejudice and nothing more. [/quote]
That has to be the stupidest thing I`ve heard in a while, and I`m not even an atheist. Atheism just means absence of religion, nothing more. Just because you choose not to be religious doesn`t mean you hate religion. That would be an anti-theist.
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Female 14
Well, that pretty much sums up religion ^^
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Male 425
Flame war anyone?
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Female 117
@Gerry1of1 I Strongly agree... hence EWTN...
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Male 5
I find it pretty funny that people are making definite statements about good people and bad people, especially the Christians; didn`t Jesus tell his followers to give up all their worldly posessions and follow him? Isn`t it easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven? And by common world standards, we`re all very, very rich people. So it seems we`re all disobeying Christ.
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Male 46
Pat Roberson wants to legalize weed, Buffet and Gates don`t. I didn`t know Robertson owned a diamond mine. Aren`t most computers made in China, the last bastion of slave labor?
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Male 109
I don`t believe morals arrived from Atheism, I believe the bible was written as a way to pull humanity together and give them something to look forward to.

How do you unite all the people in the world? Promise them a reward, not one that will wither away, but one that is "eternal". I believe that morals existed before the bible, it just projected them easier because there was that given reward at the end as well.

Humanity wouldn`t be "100x more savage without the bible" as people seem to think, we`d probably be more science-based and further ahead than we are in all reality.
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Female 243
anyway, Heureux if you wish to continue talking about this it`ll take a while for me to respond becuase i dont plan on spending all day on this comment board. i would say you could email me but honestly, id rather not have my email address on here for all to see.
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Male 6,737
Heureux,

I don`t know where to start with your ridiculous, uneducated posts... so I`m not going to bother. Good day, Sir.
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Male 40,226
Christianity is not a religion; it`s an industry.
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Male 397
This whole thing is retarded, both for christians and atheists.
It labels people that give money as good people, and people who don`t as bad people.
It`s not just black and white.
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Female 243
continued: their own propoganda. for example take North Korea. of course they have to expel religion! becuase they are forced to believe (or say that they believe) that Kim Jong-il is god.
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Male 2,424
lame

The guy says pot is cool, so I doubt he is a cruel heartless man.
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Female 243
Heureux

your thinking of atheism as a RELIGION. which it is not. of course it does not have a moral system. becuase it is not a structure. we dont have ANY system. we are just a group of people with ONE common belief at the least. and that is it. there are athiests that could believe that theres nothing wrong with killing people. i am not saying that. i am saying that if more people followed and practiced what THEY believed was right becuase of their personal arguments, and not becuase of what they were told to believe in, this world would maybe be a nicer place to live.

as for me mischaracterizing humanity. i wasnt talking about humanity. im only talking about people that are filled with hate and only dont do wrong becuase they are afraid of god. i wasnt talking about all religous people. im only talking about the few i described above.

as far as communism goes the ONLY reason that there is no religion in communism is becuase they replace religion with the
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Male 190
I think the question to all Christians is this...

Does God view athiests willing to give generously to charity as being more righteous and good then

Christians who devote their faith to God but don`t actually donate anything to the poor.

Because Jesus did teach that being generous and chartiable to the [poor is the right thing to do.

In my opinion it is the charitable atheists that are in God`s favour. Because it is they who donate for the good of their fellow man... it is the Christians that donate because of their fear of God or simply because God told them to ... without fully realizing the purpose.

Oh and I am an athiest and I don`t donate money to charity.... I donate my time.
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Heureux
your saying that it would do MORE good for them to work half as hard and have a normal salary and give some of that for the 30 or 40 so years that it took them to build their companys than to become successful, and THEN when they have the means give millions to charity?
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Male 1,054
"i dont kill people becuase I dont think its right. not becuase some book said that its not right. "

You just mischaracterize the lives of most of humanity by projecting a derogatory assumption about their motives.

So much for your ethical system, kw112, it certainly doesn`t prevent you from maligning most of humanity.

Under the atheist regimes of the soviet union and communist china, crimes against humanity reached unprecedented levels.

Any moral code you may have, comes from religion, not atheism. Atheism has no moral code of its own.
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Male 10,855
The last assertion`s a bit of a stretch but I could agree it does run counter to his stance if he just doesn`t donate.
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Male 1,378
There`s nothing wrong with being atheist.
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Male 1,054
We should consider how Buffet and Gates made their money - at the expense of others. Both are extremely predatory business men, and both made decisions that destroyed other companies and put people out of work. Both accumulated enormous fortunes, even as people around the world die of starvation and preventable diseases. It is swell that Buffet has pledged to give his riches away later, but people are dying now for lack of basics like clean water and safe food. It is swell that Gates has given so much to fight malaria, but malaria didn`t just spring into existence last month - throughout the decades that he was making his billions, people died from malaria.

And all that time, people of faith who were not billionaires gave from the little they had to fight poverty and disease, while these two accumulated enormous fortunes at the expense of other people.
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@peloose12
duffy toler is right. I think sweeden or something like that had the highest percentage of non-believers and it also had an extremely low crime rate.
im an atheist. that does not mean i eat babies for breakfast. i have a conscience, i have guilt, i have empathy, i have a brain and a complex system of emotions. those things stop me from going around killing people and drowning puppies. not god. i dont kill people becuase I dont think its right. not becuase some book said that its not right. dont you think the world would be just a little better if more people thought like THAT?
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Male 1,118
I think the billboards going a little too far. It`s not like Pat Robertson is the epitome of Christianity. But still, I like the point it was trying to make, that an atheist is perfectly capable of being a good, charitable person.
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Female 2,674
Every time I see the name Pat Robertson I accidentally read it as Robert Pattinson... and it takes away all the steam of whatever bullsh*t he`s about to say.
But at the end of the day, I`m still the one that`s a dyslexic Twilight fan. Sad face.

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Male 1,054
"It doesn`t. It goes DOWN. Crime rates are LOWER in countries with more atheists."

East Germany, the Stasi.

When atheists categorize crime as policy, of course crime rates go down.

"No crime has ever been committed or war started in the name of Atheist,"

But crimes and wars have been started in the service of atheism.

Atheism is a prejudice and nothing more.
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Male 118
I know that if I didn`t have my belief in God, I would go around killing other people because there are very little negative consequences when there is no god.

I know that if there was no state, I would go around killing other people because there are very little negative consequences when there is no state.

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Male 7,839
forallthsin, its not anti-christian. its anti-useless, evil, christians.
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Male 273
what`s this, yet another anit-christian post on I-A-B???!!!? who would have guessed?
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Male 346
You just assume we Christians associate ourselves with Pat Robertson, though...

Really, I`d like to invite any of you people to my church or my college to see what real Christians are.
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Male 313
Man commits crimes against man in the name of many things. God being just one. Does that make God the problem? or man?

I guess people that think "guns" are the problem not those using them, it just might?
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Male 5,194
>>I`ve always wondered how much the crime rate would go up if one day, everybody became atheist.

It doesn`t. It goes DOWN. Crime rates are LOWER in countries with more atheists.
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Male 4,546
"No crime has ever been committed or war started in the name of Atheist, In the name of god on the other hand"

Ah, so we`re phrasing things syntactically incongruous to our personal causes and claiming victory?

Fine.

"God" isn`t his NAME, it`s his title. His NAME (depending on who you ask) is Allah, YHWH, Jehovah, Jesus, etc.

Was that argument really worthwhile? Please rephrase your argument so it deals with something substantial and not semantics.

I`ll start you off:
Have people been killed for believing in God? Yes. (Firebombs of churches in northern europe)
By those who don`t? Yes.
Do they commit crimes at a proportionally higher rate? Yes. (UK prison demo)
Does that go for smaller crimes? Yes. (Same)
All the way up to genocide? Yes. (China/USSR genocide rates).

Wars over disliking a certain group are far more commonplace than wars due to belonging to one.
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Female 4,039
@Spartakitty - he sure is - and he`s no christian, he just plays one on TV.
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Male 19
No crime has ever been committed or war started in the name of Atheist, In the name of god on the other hand ........
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Male 11,739
Sorry fattpill but it`s all true. It`s neither propaganda nor bullcrap. It`s fact. The truth hurts sometimes doesn`t it?
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Male 2,402
Well Buffet has pledged to give 99% of his money. However he has not given 99%. Talk is cheap. I`ve watched his cynical attitude for several decades. He`s full of sh*t and laughing at the naivety of man.
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Female 2,120
Well, before this I hadn`t a clue who Pat Robertson was, but now I can say he is pretty batpoo crazy.
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Male 256
propaganda and BULLCRAP
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Female 8,043
gives you perspective, doesn`t it?
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Male 2,049
I cannot imagine having $54bil. Id be happy with just $1mil.
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Female 1,356
so people who donate are all rich men who are atheists?.... ok, i`ll take that.
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Male 24
@TruTenrMan, he means that in his will 99% will go to charity. The onther 1% will most likely go to family and friends. But yeah its in his will so that way when he`s dead his money goes to something usefull.
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Male 2,441
Doubt that would matter at all peloos
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Male 6,737
"These are also intelligent people. I`ve always wondered how much the crime rate would go up if one day, everybody became atheist. I have a feeling a large number of lowlifes out there would get hell a lot lower if it wasn`t for a fear of God."

There are more irreligious people in developed countries than statistics show, alot of people claim to have a religion, yet do not believe in a god, out of fear of being persecuted by bigots and not out of fear of being smited by some dude that they don`t believe in.
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Male 25,416
Wow
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Male 3,819
These are also intelligent people. I`ve always wondered how much the crime rate would go up if one day, everybody became atheist. I have a feeling a large number of lowlifes out there would get hell a lot lower if it wasn`t for a fear of God.
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Male 6,737
Why the talk about Liberals? This isn`t about politics.

Why must politics always be brought up when talking about religion?
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Male 4,546
As for pledges: I`m happy to take pledges. As Bill Gates, I`d rather leave more in my will than give now. (It works out better in the long run).

However, he has already given billions.
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Male 683
lol, Evangelical Christians..
Not to mention the coloring on the image is off on #3 with the black, and what happened to all the symbols and the website? Hrmmm.. fake? I think so.
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Male 4,546
The richest man is Carlos Slim Helu. Mexican guy.
He is donating $10 billion via his companies this year.

He was left off the list, because he is a Catholic, and therefore does not make the point the billboard is trying to make.
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Male 2,440


I like turtles.
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Male 2,552
Warren Buffett "pledged" to give? Did he actually give anything?
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Male 176
@BrokenJohn
Bill Gates net worth in 2010 is US $54 Billion. So giving away $26 Billion is just less than half of his net worth. So even if each of the "couple of coins" were 2 euro coins, would mean you make 10 - 20 euros a year.

“Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There’s a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.”
- Bill Gates
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Male 97
Wow.. what a summation of the organization who put these images out there:

"Basically we do a lot of stuff. Come to our meetings if you want to learn more."

Yes there is more to it. But you`d think college students would better summarize their organization to "change the world"
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Male 1,598
If you actually follow Christianity, it can be a good set of values to live by. And it`s not about going to church or shoving the name of Jesus down everyone`s throat.

But there`s also nothing stopping anyone from being a good person without religion, or having a religion other than Christianity.
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Male 17,511
madest: It`s from ABC originally, So go suck an egg.

But if you must have a liberal link, then try this one from the Ny Times
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Male 30
At least Pat is still sticking to his convictions, Slavery isn`t condemned at all in the Bible!
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Male 215
Sure, but this is just three examples. Seems to be pretty good for showing that Atheists are hardly sinners by default, though.
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Male 7,378
That "source" CJ is lunatic fringe right wing. Tag line by George F-n Will for crying out loud... Get a source that`s reliable.
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Female 4,039
Pat Robertson is a con artist. Con artists aren`t charitable.
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Male 2,085
"A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men." (Matt 7:18 to 20).
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Male 17,511
Hiromi: Statics say that Conservatives are more like to give both money and time to good causes than liberals. Link
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Male 698
So who is the richest person in the world?... And why is he giving jack poo?...
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Male 975
Yes Pat Robertson is a piece of poo.
Is there some significance to the red and the blue though?
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Male 10,338
@agent00smith: "I agree that religion sucks, but that doesn`t mean God sucks."

HEAR HEAR!
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Female 1,148
YES! It`s so interesting how some religious organizations/people will spend all of their time preaching, praying, and hoping for miracles instead of actually doing something.
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Female 322
I`m sure that last guy expects people to donate their hard earned money to the church too.
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Male 2,579
I agree that religion sucks, but that doesn`t mean God sucks.
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Male 17,511
Atheist propaganda.
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Male 1,455
Link: Charity & Donations Tell A Lot About The Man [Pic] [Rate Link] - Who are the people you look up to? How much do they give back?
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