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  1. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 23, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Link: 5 Things You Probably Believe About Muslims - You may be surprised at what you don`t know.
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    W2 Male 13-17
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    December 25, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    to be honest, I`d like to care, but I don`t.
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    twenty5 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:06 am
    out of 10 stars of boringness; I rate this, 11 stars. I mean 10
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    mbor Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:11 am
    Now could someone please prevent Sunita654 and deeeps from posting here? We get it; we`ve been adrolled many times with this Yahoo ad!
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:25 am
    Holy crap...this is going to have the right-wingers gnawing on their sneakers!
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    kingofqueens Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:28 am
    Way to go IAB. Every second post is about how stupid Christianity is, just because Christians believe in God. Yet you`ll post pro Muslim articles. If your going to be bigots, at least don`t be hypocritical. If you didn`t know.... Muslims believe in God too.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:31 am
    Good submission Cobrakiller!

    Now, if only we could get some of the loose canon, right wing nut jobs to read through it. Sadly, I believe their blinders cover internet text as well as other written and spoken truths...
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:37 am
    "Way to go IAB. Every second post is about how stupid Christianity is, just because Christians believe in God. Yet you`ll post pro Muslim articles. If your going to be bigots, at least don`t be hypocritical. If you didn`t know.... Muslims believe in God too."

    Just because it`s not a Christian article, doesn`t mean it`s against Christians.
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    TheJigsaw Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:37 am
    King of queens he posts both sides of both religion and atheism, it`s just anything interesting. It`s very important that Americans stop going around thinking muslims want to blow them up. The suicide bombers attack muslims too
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    Neiltwo2 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:45 am
    oh lol, if you americans really believe this stuff, i`m afraid you are already lost
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    Trojan Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:03 am
    I <3 Cracked
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Win quote, "In short Muhammad wanted his armies to fight like freaking hippies. During the phucking dark ages. And they did."

    Neiltwo, the article also has some some choice examples of European stupidity when it comes to Muslims, that whole banning the burqa thing is pretty embarrassing, not to mention the Swiss totally freaked out a while back about minarets. Minarets for crying out loud!
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:19 am
    I find it hard to believe that `most people` really believe those things about Islam. I am sure some do, and it is a shame thay are so ignorant, but I would have thought that it was uncommon.
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    alikabul Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:42 am
    Oh lol! This is directly translated from an article in a norwegian newspaper! wtf!?
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:50 am
    who the drat believes any of that stuff? They might as well added #6 All muslims are born with bombs attached to their chests and breath fire.
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:51 am
    I didn`t believe anything that it said I did. Heh. Aren`t I special?
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:57 am
    "who the drat believes any of that stuff? They might as well added #6 All muslims are born with bombs attached to their chests and breath fire."

    You mean they don`t?!
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    iCyborg Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:00 am
    People are not evil, it is the religion, which is BS
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:09 am
    Yup, pro-Islam is a wonderful thing. Don`t even mention the time Muhamed killed the ENTIRE Jewish population of a city (right or wrong, that`s not the issue). Yes every man, woman, child & infant was marched to a pit and be-headed! While Muhamed watched! He`s mister `nice guy` alrighty!
    Yes I read the whole thing, no I did not believe a single one of these `infotainment` factoids.
    As Baalth is fond of saying, and @kingofquees mentioned, Muslims believe in God too! Where`s all the anti-God vitriol? Oooo, it`s OK for Muslims to believe in an invisible man in the sky, isn`t it @patchouly?
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:21 am
    @slothofdoom

    basically whoever opposed the mosque in ground zero believes that stuff, including your #6
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:29 am
    @5cats,

    No, they`re just as sad for believing that crap as anyone else who does.

    My problem is with all the ridiculous right wing nut jobs who believe that all Muslims are evil.

    And if you think Mohammad was bad, you should read through the Christian bible some time. Those guys were evil to the core. And that magical sky wizard was the worst of the lot. Terrorizing, killing, torturing...
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    Nburkie420 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Crack I really don`t care.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:37 am
    Whenever there`s a Muslim thing on IAB, it`s always talking about how terrific and wonderful all those poor, poor, misunderstood Muslims are.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:47 am
    5cats: Yeah and don`t forget that Mr. Muhamed was a child molester, Taking a 6 year old, A`isha, as a wife.

    The Taliban still encourages families to marry off their daughters as young as eight years old.
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    Nburkie420 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Bottom line no matter what religion it is, religion is the worst thing to ever happen to the human race.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2010 at 10:07 am
    2 things..

    1st, YES they are stuck in the dark ages. Even the Iraqi`s I know here in California say their own people are stuck there and only understand violence. That`s why they fled their own countries to come here.

    2nd.... as for the virgins waiting for them in heaven.... it`s a bunch of nuns with rulers!

    !!!WHACK!!! "WHAT did you do!!??" !!!WHACK!!!


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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Gerry: "Nuns with rulers" would`ve been preferable to the "Board of Education" used on students in my elementary school when I was a kid. Fuçker was 3ft long and had holes drilled in it to make it sting more.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:14 am
    Tolerance on every part, and we`ll be fine.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Dont tell me what to think, i trust the perception fox news says :P
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    NightHack Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    I love this article. It`s brilliant; of course I realize that if people already have their own guarded opinions it won`t change anything. But it`s important for the world to get on the same page and realize that religion has little or nothing to do with the conflicts going on in the world. It`s an excuse. We`re told that these people are "bad guys" because their ways are different from us and therefore strange or wrong; the reality is seldom ever close to the use of the "other" to inspire fear among a populace.
    The misconceptions we get are based upon a handful of Muslims in the world who are extremists - no different in many ways from any other religious extremists.
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    Greylights Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Gotta call bull on the 45% of Muslims believing evolution is the best explanation for human origins. It is completely counter to Quranic teaching even from the most moderate perspective. I`ve met a few Muslim people who suspend judgement and say they don`t know, but I have only ever met one or two who understand and agree with it - and they are very pass-the-sausage type Muslims anyway.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    Crakr, I once saw a medieval Jewish rabbinical commentary that held the age of consent for girls as being somewhere between 7 and 8. It was primitive times and everyone in the middle east (and elsewhere) was getting married at absurdly young ages because hey you never know, tomorrow your tribe may suffer a terrible disease/war/attack by wild beasts that doesn`t allow you to see your descendants. I do know however that the practice among the early Muslim community was not to consummate said marriage until the bride reached menarche, so that too is a mitigating circumstance.

    And Ayesha later went on to become a great Muslim academic luminary and is considered one of the best sources for genuine Hadith.

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    > Greylights
    > Gotta call bull on the 45% of Muslims believing evolution is the best explanation for human origins. It is completely counter to Quranic teaching

    And Evolution is completely counter to Biblical teaching, but Christians believe in that too. You`re falling right into the trap this article was trying to teach you not to, stereotyping all Muslims as religious fanatics.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    lolReligion.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    QueenZira: Doesn`t change the fact that marrying off 8 year olds is an accepted practice in islam, As well as female genital mutilation, And Honor killings of apostates.

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    It makes me sad that the writer is certain that most Americans believe these myths. Did anyone here actually believe any of these before reading the article? If so, you must have never met a Muslim person in your life, which I find hard to believe.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    "Marrying off 8 yr olds is an accepted practice"- maybe in backwoods Pakistan but not in Anytown USA.

    FGM did not originate with Islam, it was a cultural practice already found in parts of Africa where Islam spread and the Prophet himself never mentioned it at all.

    "Honor killings of apostates" see above about Pakistan, or heck Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    I find it slightly hypocritical that the point of this article is to argue against stereotyping, when in the title it`s stereotyping Americans in that presuming we all make these assumptions. :P
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    HOW THE IAB AUTO-POST WORKS
    Just send in a link on any of the following topics to get an auto-post:
    - Muslims good
    - Americans bad
    - Some guy getting hit in the nuts
    - Anything with the word "Chad" in it
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    Uh Duffytoler, you get that some Americans *are* Muslims, right?
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    Darkhumour Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    all the stats are unbelievably biased
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    Doesn`t change the fact that marrying off 8 year olds is an accepted practice in islam
    That happens in the Bible too. Read Numbers 31:17-18, where they talk about "keeping the women children, who have not known a man, for yourselves".

    And a little over 120 years ago, the age of consent in the USA, and much of Europe, ranged between 7 and 12. The current age of ~16 in most places only became the norm in the 20th century.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Yup, pro-Islam is a wonderful thing. Don`t even mention the time Muhamed killed the ENTIRE Jewish population of a city (right or wrong, that`s not the issue). Yes every man, woman, child & infant was marched to a pit and be-headed! While Muhamed watched! He`s mister `nice guy` alrighty!
    And let`s not even mention the time in Numbers 31 when God commanded Moses to lead the Israelites against the Midainites, and slaughtered every last one of them (except the female children who they kept for future rape). What a `nice guy` Moses was!
    And remember, right or wrong, that`s not the issue (bizarrely).
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    5: Not sensical people believe that the burqa is is required. I work with Muslims everyday. I detest it becaus a u is supposed to follow a q!
    4: Every American knows this country was founded on freedom of religion. That especially means freedom FROM religion!
    3: Who said that? Judiasm, xtianity, murderers (I mean muslims) all come from the middle east.
    2: Wow, yeah, Muslims just say cut us at our necks and fingers for all that don`t believe... True that the xtians drew and quartered humans...
    1: I`m really opposed to #1, this reporter (if he/she can be called that) hasn`t seent the reports of women not being allowed to see doctors JUST because the doctors are male.
  45. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    Muslims believe in God too! Where`s all the anti-God vitriol? Oooo, it`s OK for Muslims to believe in an invisible man in the sky, isn`t it
    No, it`s just as ridiculous. Their unjustified beliefs are equally as ludicrous as the unjustified beliefs of Christians, Jews, Scientologists, Jainists, Buddhists, Vikings, worshippers of the Roman or Greek gods, astrologers, psychics, homeopathic practicioners, mentalists or ghost hunters.

    I don`t think that everyone in any of these groups is inherently evil or stupid. What DOES piss me off is when a member of one of these groups criticises another group for something his own group is guilty of, i.e. hypocrisy.
    Exhibit no.1 : CrakrJak.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    almightybob1: What DOES piss me off is when a member of one of these groups criticises another group for something his own group is guilty of, i.e. hypocrisy.
    Exhibit no.1 : CrakrJak.

    I don`t believe any modern Christian would advocate marriage of 8 year olds, Female genital mutilation, Or honor killings of apostates.

    Your weak attempt to equate Christianity with islam is completely discredited. Also learn how to spell the word `criticizes` correctly you heathen.
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    simmerslodra Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    Yeah, all in all, this article is proof that it`s just as easy to characterize a religion(or any social movement really) based on only its best aspects, as it is to characterize it based on only its worst aspects. But that was the purpose of the article, to re-contextualize a group that is often only understood in one way.
    People need to learn to hold more complex opinions. You can still be radically opposed or in support of a religious or social movement, but refusing to acknowledge the good(or the bad) that comes from that movement is either willful ignorance or naivety and those traits are neither respectable nor incredibly helpful.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    Oh, it`s this debate again. How fun.
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    Logan033 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    I submitted this a few days ago, with the phrase "Screw it, lets start a flame war." I think mine was a little more accurate, and a hell of a lot better.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    Also learn how to spell the word `criticizes` correctly you heathen.
    How charmingly parochial of you Crakrjak. Bob is British, so uses British English. In British English, it`s spelt (yes, spelt) `criticises`.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    Almightybob, you`re more than welcome to your opinion. All those of us who are spiritual (and not completely off the handle about it) ask is that you understand the value of asking existential questions about Life, The Universe and Everything and the importance of a well plotted path to guide one through the journey those questions inevitably bring up.

    A good example would be Hitchens (I think) who practices Buddhist meditation in spite of himself because he finds some value in it. And really Buddhism in many manifestations is nontheistic anyway. (Yes Virginia, there is such a thing as nontheistic religions) There is no focus on a exterior divine being, just contemplative practices to reduce suffering and to escape the cycle of rebirth.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    Oh and Crakr, just a friendly heads up here, some Asatru, those who cleave specifically to the Norse tradition, actually insist on being called Heathens. (I know, I can`t figure it out either).
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    How charmingly parochial of you Crakrjak. Bob is British, so uses British English. In British English, it`s spelt (yes, spelt) `criticises`.
    I do believe Crakr just got TOLD, lol.

    Anyway... Eh, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, blah blah blah, they`re all the same deep down inside. They all believe in some imaginary figure in the sky that tell them what to do, using avatars of his power to do so. The only difference is in the specific orders given, and honestly, when you boil it all down, even they aren`t that fundamentally different.
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    Happy_Pandas Female 13-17
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    LMAO at the posts below.

    All in all, I like this article, and I`m sort of glad I knew a lot of this stuff already.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    ROFL at happypandas. :->
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    I do believe Crakr just got TOLD, lol.
    Actually, I went easy on Crakrjak. If I wanted to really lay into him, I`d point out that in both American and British English, it`s incorrect to capitalise every word after a comma (really, this is high school level English here), which he does every single f*cking time.

    That`s the gnarly thing about descending to the murky depths of Grammar Nazism - you need to be damn sure yours is perfect when you call someone else out, otherwise you might just end up making yourself look a bit silly.
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    Happy_Pandas Female 13-17
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    December 27, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    Oh my gosh, he does.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    I was going to criticize 5 Cats, but I`m actually shocked he seems to have taken on a piece of information and learned from it....

    " Don`t even mention the time Muhamed killed the ENTIRE Jewish population of a city (right or wrong, that`s not the issue)."

    Right or wrong, that`s not the issue?
    Well for starters it`s not technically true, which I`m fairly sure is at least a *little* important.

    Secondly, those people were killed for treason.

    Thirdly, all accounts bar one say that the leaders of the tribe were executed for treason, and the rest of the tribe exiled.

    All those killed were imprisoned in a single hut belonging to a woman of the Banu-Al-Hajjar tribe.

    Crakr employs similar cherry picking when he states Mohammed married a 6 year old. (Or 15-24 by all other accounts).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    idk - @amb1: your arguement of "the Jews are Worse!" doesn`t make Islam any Nicer. (I put in capital letters just to bug @davymid - lolz!)

    Things that happened in the Bible were 1000s of years ago. Blowing up airplanes, trains, busses & cutting heads off prisoners? Last decade eh?

    Far too many Muslims support terrorism for my liking, it`s long overdue for so-called `moderate` ones to completely disavow and kick out ANY support of terrorism, period!

    vv Yes @Baalth, no one EVER cherry-picks the Bible, eh? (lolz, that works for both sides, of course)
    I`m sure those treasonous little babies deserved what they got...
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    Oh, and the line about "strike off their heads and fingers" is in quotes even in the Quran.

    In fact, but quoting it, can I now fairly say *you* are telling people to cut off the hands and fingers of disbelievers?

    The line in question is 8:12. This was what the angels said to an army prior to a battle, about a specific battle.

    When the quotes end, and the commandments (i.e. things Muslims are supposed to do) begins, you have a different story:

    Later in the chapter: 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that hears and knows (all things)."

    As always, when it comes to violence:
    4:90
    "So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you against them"

    You can`t fight except in self defense. End.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    "I`m sure those treasonous little babies deserved what they got..."

    Reread my argument. The leaders of the tribe were (I`m assuming) adults.
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    Some people need to turn their TVs off.

    Extreme outliers don`t represent Islam or any religion,group,organization as a whole.

    "Things that happened in the Bible were 1000s of years ago."

    KKK and other White Supremacist groups are Christian.
    But I know and you know they`re a bunch of loonies and they don`t represent Christianity as a whole.
    Bottom line,that`s a really bad argument.

    And I totally believe all Muslims marry their wives at 8 years old and throw a sheet over them. What a tragedy.
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    Maromi Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 12:12 am
    yeah...
  64. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 12:44 am
    Davy: Actually it is proper English to capitalize the first word after a comma or colon if it begins a complete sentence or is a proper name. Nobody is perfect. Also, the words `always, ever, or never` are useless in civil conversation. Those three words invoke a permanence that no human could possibly achieve. Nothing is that absolute in human relations. The sooner you quit using them the more civil your conversations will be.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 12:57 am
    Baal: Ayesha later went on to become a great Muslim academic luminary and is considered one of the best sources for genuine Hadith.

    "Narrated `Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six year old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari vol.7 book 62 ch.60 no.88 p.65

    A`isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 8 ch.548 no.3309 p.715-716

    A`ishah said : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. Sunan Abu Dawud vol.2 book 5 ch.700 no.2116 p.569

    A`ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married her when she was six and had intercourse with her when she was nine. (
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:00 am


    A`ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married her when she was six and had intercourse with her when she was nine. (Sunan Nas`ai, Book of Marriage, no.3255)

    A`isha was married when she was six years old, and nine when she went to Mohammed’s house. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 book 9 ch.13 no.1876 p.133

    Aisha was 6 (or 7) years old when she was married, and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. al-Tabari vol.9 (year A.H. 10) p.129-131.

    Aisha was 6-7 when married, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9-10, three months after coming to Mecca al-Tabari vol.7 (year A.H. 1) p.7.
  67. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:01 am
    There are 7 different islamic sources for it Baal, That`s far from `Cherry Picking`.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:19 am
    No need to "re-read" Baalth, I got it:
    The leaders were adults.
    The babies either: a)had their heads cut off (most likely) or b)suffered exile.
    They got what they deserved, those treasonous babies! At the hands of teh Prophet, Himself! That bringer of peace! Kindeness incarnate! Banger of 9 year-olds! And 10 (count em!) wives, and dozens of mistresses, you going to argue those facts too? He had 10 (ten) wives! The LAW says only 4...

    Lolz, Crackr schools Baalth on Islam... will wonders never cease? Oh wait, Baalth almost complimented me... *faints*

    You know Baatlh (et al) it`s only insulting to yourself to imagine that those who hold a differing opinion must be some kind of idiot. Notice how us `righties` don`t go around slandering y`all the same way? I mean here at IAB. There`s no shortage of ignorance `out there` eh?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:45 am
    Davy: Actually it is proper English to capitalize the first word after a comma if it begins a complete sentence or is a proper name.
    I assure you, it`s not proper English. So far in this thread alone, you capitalised the words after a comma "Female", "Or", "And", "As" and "Taking". None of those are beginning sentence constructs, never mind a Proper Noun.

    Also, the words `always, ever, or never` are useless in civil conversation. Those three words invoke a permanence that no human could possibly achieve. Nothing is that absolute in human relations. The sooner you quit using them the more civil your coenversations will be.
    Dude, are you high? Seriously. I did separate control-f`s on the words "always", "never", "ever" and "permanence". First person to mouth-breathe those terms was you. Who even talks like that? Are you seeing demons in the mist?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:54 am
    p.s. on topic Crakr, until you`ve actually been to a Muslim country and got outside of your own county (yes, county, not country), then I will, I promise, continue to publicly ridicule you at every opportunity when you demonise entire nations of people.

    Me, I`ve been to Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, the UAE, Yemen and Jordan. And I`ve been treated like a king, invited into the homes of complete strangers, and made to be the guest of honour, simply being from somewhere different. Best times of my life.

    You`ve never been to those places. I have. Dude, you have no idea what the f*ck you`re talking about beyond what you`re fed by Glenn Beck on Fox News. Forgive me if I call you full of sh*t.
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    quick1dunkno Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:22 am
    THis article is kind of accurate.
    Women DO have to wear a veil according to islamic law. As do christian women , according to their religious texts.. there are no " muslim" countries.. there is only one major islamic state and it is currently in war with the next soviet russia ( failed and was crumbled afterwards)..
    All this evolution non-sense is un-true and any muslim accepting , i think , i cannot be regarded as a muslim it is a direct dis-belief in the words of the quran ..a kufr indeed.
    A`isha radhiallahanhu was not a child at the age of 9. She herself has been quoted stating the when a girl reaches the age of 9 she is a woman.
    The reason for this is that the girls in arabia at that time reached puberty at a faster rate hence why it was common for early marriages..

    The prophet was given leave to marry more women then 4 , this was because ( had you studied the marriages and their reason ) most of his marriages had specific purpose .. e.g he mar
  72. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:35 am
    Notice how us `righties` don`t go around slandering y`all the same way?


    Oh yeah because apparently labeling muslims as a bunch of murderous terrorist sympathizers, terrorists, horrifically backwards isn`t slander.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:40 am
    Lolz, Crackr schools Baalth on Islam... will wonders never cease? Oh wait, Baalth almost complimented me... *faints*


    2 questions:
    1)What the fu<k are you smokin?
    2)What`s your version of the "Urban Dictionary"
    3)What`s your version of the dictionary?


    The Taliban still encourages families to marry off their daughters as young as eight years old.

    That`s the Taliban AND ONLY the Taliban stop saying it`s truth for the rest of the group. It`s a total lie.
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    quick1dunkno Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:40 am
    he married an old widow , who incidently died shortly after , for the purpose of taking care of her ...

    @altaru , ofcourse they arent very different the former two WERE the religion of Allah .. the corruption is what brought about the next message .. fortunate for islam that it has remain un-corrupted.. unfortunately very few people follow this form of islam compared to the rest of the so called " muslim " world...
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:42 am
    Davy: which he does every single f*cking time.

    No, I didn`t use it first in this thread. Are you going blind ?

    Forgive me but you are an oil geologist, I`m not surprised at all that you would be "treated like a king", You go there to help them make money.

    I don`t have to leave my country to listen to the experiences of others, Who have had a far different experience than you have.

    As for your pitiful `county` accusation, I`ve traveled to many US States and made friends from many more states and countries online. So quit being fatuous.
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    quick1dunkno Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:42 am
    The Taliban still encourages families to marry off their daughters as young as eight years old.


    ?? HUH LOOOL where did you get this from? enlighten me oh all-knower of taliban... ( this could get interesting....)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:44 am
    [quote">I don`t believe any modern Christian would advocate marriage of 8 year olds...[/quote">

    ...or perhaps you`ve forgotten about this guy.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:47 am
    Ah screw it I`ll be back in the morning to back davy and Baalth.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:51 am
    I`m not surprised at all that you would be "treated like a king", You go there to help them make money.

    O RLY?

    Because I thought accountants and oil executives are the real money makers. They tell him where to go. Unless your saying everyone related to the oil business will definitely be treated like a king. If not, your statement is nonetheless a very hasty generalization.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:58 am
    Slander also fits.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 3:02 am
    Cajun: Warren Jeffs isn`t what anyone, I know of, would call a modern Christian. I`m sure you could`ve pointed out Jim Jones and David Koresh as examples as well, but none of them were mainstream congregations.

    Need I point out that the Ayatollah Komeini sodomized prepubescent girls as well ? He even wrote a book of rules about it. Komeini was no cultist, He was the leader of Iran both politically and religiously.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 3:24 am
    allways like to know im better informed after reading an article than before
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 5:55 am
    I don`t believe any modern Christian would advocate marriage of 8 year olds, Female genital mutilation, Or honor killings of apostates.
    Ah, a goalpost shift. Now we`re only talking about MODERN Christians. OK then. I`m guessing that`s why you skipped past my Numbers 31 reference without addressing it.

    Well if we`re only talking about modern believers, plenty of modern Muslims are also against all of those practices. For example Hassan al-Turabi is against death for apostasy. He`s a giant non-nice individual who has imposed Sharia law in Sudan and even HE has said that death should not be the penalty.

    And I guess you`ve never read Luke 19:27. Where Jesus says "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

    Sounds a lot like killing apostates to me.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 6:00 am
    Warren Jeffs isn`t what anyone, I know of, would call a modern Christian. I`m sure you could`ve pointed out Jim Jones and David Koresh as examples as well, but none of them were mainstream congregations.
    Please state which types of Christian count as "modern". Which specific congregations, so that in future you can`t sidestep using this puerile No True Scotsman tactic again.
  85. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 6:25 am
    almightybob: Ah, I see you pulled an old atheist accusation out of the dustbin. First off this is a snippet from a parable.

    Just before the parable starts in Luke 19, we have in verse 11 `While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.`

    Verse 12 He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. `Put this money to work,` he said, `until I come back.`

    Ultimately, this parable is not about the present. It is eschatological and applies to the time of Christ`s Return.

    But you probably already knew this, I`m pretty sure that I`ve rebutted this in a previous thread.

    This parable also backs up the bible quote "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord", Which tells believers not to take the law into
  86. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 6:27 am
    ... their own hands
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 6:30 am
    You can`t fight except in self defense. End.

    So where is the self defense rationalization for 9/11? Where is the Muslim uproar at bin laden? Where is the muslim uproar at the mosque within blocks of ground zero? Where is the muslim uproar for holding families hostage so that a young man or woman must carry a bomb into a crowd and kill themselves and others?
  88. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2010 at 6:41 am
    almightybob1: You know as well as I do that the Mormon church rebuked Warren Jeffs for his polygamy. His church was not part of the Latter Day Saints, even though he tried to use their name for his church.

    The same goes for Fred Phelps, He claims his is a `Baptist` church, Yet no Baptist congregation of churches have ever accepted them.

    You want me to list all the possible cults out there ? First off I don`t know them all. Secondly the bible says, "You shall know them by their works".

    And please, Don`t try to pull that `your sidestepping` bullcrap on me. You knew damn well Warren Jeffs wasn`t of mainstream Christian belief, Hell he wasn`t even of mainstream Mormon belief and the two are rather different from one another.
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    Blaklesby Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 7:33 am
    @CrakrJak

    well said
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 7:46 am
    LtFurpie - I agree wholeheartedly. The majority of "them" seem to approve of terrorists with their silence.

    I`ve said the same things you did here. You`ll get responses from libretards that point out isolated and very small muslim gatherings where they say "oh, what a shame" and then go back to bomb making classes.

    but nice to know some other people think the same thing. Whether we are right or wrong, it`s nice to have company.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Time to go to school Crakr.

    Hadith are organized by 3 sources EACH. We`ve been through this before. Pay attention this time.

    You have the scholar. The source. The originator.
    You have quoted many scholars (Tabari, Bukhari, Muslim, etc), who have used a single source (Urwa), of an originator (Aisha).

    Many authors, all agree, that HISHAM IBN URWA said that Aisha said X.

    Hisham ibn Urwa, is regarded as a weak link.
    Despite quoting him FROM 8 different BOOKS, those BOOKS share a single source. Urwa. In some cases, not even directly Urwa.
    As for quotes against from multiple sources.

    5 cats:
    Looks like Crakr "schooling me" was a bit much to hope for, better luck next time.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:32 am
    The same goes for Fred Phelps, He claims his is a `Baptist` church, Yet no Baptist congregation of churches have ever accepted them.



    Woop-de-doo most muslims don`t accept Ayatollah Komeini either, niether do they want anything to do with Osama bin Laden.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:33 am
    Furpie:
    So where is the self defense rationalization for 9/11? Where is the Muslim uproar at bin laden? Where is the muslim uproar at the mosque within blocks of ground zero? Where is the muslim uproar for holding families hostage so that a young man or woman must carry a bomb into a crowd and kill themselves and others?


    Are you suggesting that because there are laws, crimes do not occur?

    Fine. America is in favour of murder (because it occurs). By implication, you are too. Where is American uproar? Blah blah blah.

    Poor argument is poor irrespective of scapegoat being used.

    Anyway, google the myth of Muslim silence and read any of the first few results. There`s plenty there, lots of examples you`re free to ignore.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:34 am
    Warren Jeffs isn`t what anyone, I know of, would call a modern Christian. I`m sure you could`ve pointed out Jim Jones and David Koresh as examples as well, but none of them were mainstream congregations.



    I thought you`d say that. I`m sorry CrakrJak but that is a double standard.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:38 am
    ...and while it`s relevant I`ll mention Martin Ssempa.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:41 am
    Has anyone considered that maybe this experiment in diversity has failed?

    Maybe we just can`t get along. If it isn`t white guys pushing people around, it`s {insert group name} pushing their agenda. Latino. Mexican. Black. Asian. Jewish. Christian. Athiest.

    Proponents of diversity speak as though their "diverisity belief" is self-evidently correct and moral.... Prove It. Stop calling anyone who disagree`s a racist... prove your point with facts. When or where HAVE substantially differant groups gotten along peacefully for an extended period of time without the use of force?


    ?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:42 am
    Cajun... I`m just posing a question. Everyone has the "assumption" that diversity is correct.

    we all know the addage... "never assume...."
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:42 am
    Ok so why exactly in the areas where women have to wear a burka do they make them wear black ones? It`s some of the hottest places on earth and the men wear white are you trying to turn them into a form of beef jerky cause porks a sin?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 8:48 am
    @Gerry1of1


    Well ignore my previous question then. As to answer there is actually a community in Thailand with a mix of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Christians who do actually get along very well.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:20 am
    Forgive me but you are an oil geologist, I`m not surprised at all that you would be "treated like a king", You go there to help them make money.
    The people who took me into their family home and treated me as the guest of honour were simple farmers and nomads. They had nothing, barely enough food to put on the table. Yet all they were concerned about was that I was having a good time as a guest in their country. They had no idea who I was or what I did for a living, they were simply showing sincere and welcome hospitality to a stranger.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:20 am
    I don`t have to leave my country to listen to the experiences of others... I`ve traveled to many US States and made friends from many more states and countries online. So quit being fatuous.
    Sorry Crakrjak, I mistakenly thought you were talking out of your arse and didn`t have the first clue about real-life modern Muslims living in real-life modern Muslim countries. It`s clear to me now that you`re an expert in Islam and in Muslim cultures. Thanks for clearing up your credentials in that area, I stand corrected. You clearly know more about Muslims than I do. Or Baalthazaq, for that matter.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:32 am
    <headdesk>
    <headdesk>


    Excuse me it wasn`t Thailand it was Singapore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:36 am
    1)What the fu<k are you smokin?
    Srsly @Cajun, you`re asking ME that? Did you read what @quick1dunkno posted just before you?
    Highlights:
    `there is only ONE Muslim nation` (lolz!)
    `a 9 year-old is a woman, ready for marriage`
    `Muhamed had permission to marry 10+ women, so it`s OK`

    As for `schooling`: Baalth said there`s only ONE source saying she was under-age, then Crackr quotes 7 (including chapter and verse). I haven`t read Baalth`s replies yet, but looks like `being taken to school` thus far, eh?
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:41 am
    Thank you Baalthazaq, you`ve actually proved the problem is with religion, and specifically Islam is at the heart of the problem right now. Not the other ones, Islam!

    An American child in September said it best: "Don`t they know that doing bad to someone, even if they did bad to you, is wrong?" (pg 12, sept 6, Newsweek)

    So if 9/11 is ok with Islam, then that which the Muslims follow is wrong. WRONG!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Gerry, during the Cordoba period of Muslim rule in Spain, all 3 great monotheisms coexisted together quite nicely. There was a great flowering of art, learning and culture not seen since ancient Greece or indeed again until the Renaissance.

    More broadly, yes people are different, and sometimes it`s hard to get along. But you don`t just give up on something because it`s hard. If you see diversity as an asset and not a problem to be solved that is.

    Sri Devi, Tara, Allah, Jesus, one or all of them, did not put us all together here on cuckoo rock twirling about the sun if they didn`t have faith that we can actually care about someone other than ourselves every once in while and work @ solving our problems together.
  106. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:57 am
    Baalth said there`s only ONE source saying she was under-age, then Crackr quotes 7 (including chapter and verse)

    Yeah and Baalth said those 7 are referring to one source.

    So seriously

    What the fu<k are you smokin?

    So if 9/11 is ok with Islam

    Seriously where did you get such fu<ktardedly outlandish assertion?

    and what the fu<k are YOU smokin?
  107. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 9:58 am
    vv nice link @Baalth! Yes I read the whole thing and the comments too. So she was anywhere from 12-19, which makes her marriage appropriate for that time. If you believe those sources and not the other one(s), eh?
    Isn`t this the difference between various Muslim factions? Disagreements over source materials? Not trolling, just asking since that`s how it seems to me.

    Excuse me it wasn`t Thailand it was Singapore.
    I was gonna say! lolz! Things are pretty peaceful on the tiny island of Singapore, it`s true. Now if only the other 99.9% of the planet could get along. Still, "multiculturalism" is a socialist crock-o-poo foisted on us by the left. Note the one sidedness of it? WE have to accept THEM, but THEY can practice their old-world lifestyles and ignore OUR laws & such.
    Nice!

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Oh, @Almightbob1 are you lifting Biblical passages out of context just to troll, or are you seriously that stupid?
    In the first case you ought to ban yourself, eh?
  109. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Thank you Baalthazaq, you`ve actually proved the problem is with religion, and specifically Islam is at the heart of the problem right now. Not the other ones, Islam!

    That sentence doesn`t even support itself. If the problem is religions have their own problems to sort out. If your saying if and only Islam has problems then I`d completely disagree with you. I point to the Catholic Church (pederasty) and Martin Ssempa as a few.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:02 am
    Baalth said those 7 are referring to one source. AFTER YOU POSTED
    fify! So I`m smoking drugs because stuff I didn`t know is posted later? Oooo, ic, thx!
    Also, YOU didn`t know that stuff when YOU posted, so...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:02 am
    Furpie, w/o going into too much detail here, suicide *is* wrong in Islam. What the hijackers did was not only against their God but against their own great religious tradition as well.

    Just because someone can abuse a religious tradition, and twist the core messages of that path to the divine for their own nefarious ends, that does not mean the tradition itself is corrupt. It`s sort of like electricity in that respect,(or any other thing with positive power really) you can use it to light a home with or you can use it to fry someone in the Chair.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:03 am
    So I`m smoking drugs


    Dude it`s a figure of speech.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:04 am
    YOU didn`t know that stuff when YOU posted


    ...and your point is?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:11 am
    @QueenZira


    Fire can keep you warm or burn your house down
    Hammers can pound nails in or crush your skull
    Water can hydrate you or drown you

    Your analogy is sound.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:12 am
    5Cats, leaving aside for the moment all the RW buzzwords in that little speech of yours on Multiculturalism, that is not what it`s all about. It`s about respecting people and things that may be different to you and actually making an effort at understanding them a little better. Nowhere in that description is included a clause on letting others trample someone else`s human rights.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Thanks Cajun, that was very poetic. Is that Buddhist in origin? I love to collect wisdom wherever I find it. ;)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:19 am
    Dude it`s a figure of speech.
    NO! DHUR! I didn`t know that! The point is y`all are implying I`m stupid before there`s any evidence to show I was POSSIBLY incorrect.

    QueenZira: Here in Canada, multicultural capital of the planet! (except for Quebec) there are countless cases of `cultural practices` over-ruling Provincial and even National laws. It`s sickening. It`s not what they SAY it`s about, it`s how it is actually put in place that I have serious disagreements.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:23 am
    Is that Buddhist in origin?

    No I just wrote it, you`re welcome though.

    y`all are implying I`m stupid

    No, just misinformed/misguided.

    before there`s any evidence to show I was POSSIBLY incorrect.

    Did you even try to read Baal`s replies? It seems to me I had to point them out to you.
  119. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:24 am
    there are countless cases of `cultural practices` over-ruling Provincial and even National laws.


    I`d really like to see one of those cases.
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 10:51 am
    @queen, see my original post, where is the uproar in the muslim community? Over and over, muslims hate non-muslims. Yay for hate... hence I will never follow those that smite me at my finger-tips then cut me at my throat!!! Just cut me at my throat you sadists! why deal with the fingertips! It`s mutch harder to grab my hands than it is my throat! so why bother? It`s becase islam promotes sadists! (ok, that`s out there but a valid theory looking at their silly book!)
  121. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 11:00 am
    [quote">It`s becase islam promotes sadists![/quote">

    That`s the same false argument against Christianity and their `silly book`.

    [quote">Over and over, muslims hate non-muslims.[/quote">

    Okay seriously that`s enough dude.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 11:01 am
    That`s the same false argument

    or at least akin to it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 11:35 am
    Did you even try to read Baal`s replies? It seems to me I had to point them out to you.
    Which replies? The ones he wrote after you posted that I was wrong? The replies I specifically mentioned having read? wtf dude? You`re not making a lick of sense.

    And because he posits a credible counter-arguement doesn`t `prove` the "9-years old" theory false, eh? I`m actually glad there`s some hope for Muhamed, but there`s 99 other reasons he was a bastard and unfit to even belong to any religion, nevermind create one! Oh, before Baalth blows a gasket: yes yes ALLAH created Islam, I know, I know...
  124. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 11:41 am
    And because he posits a credible counter-arguement doesn`t `prove` the "9-years old" theory false, eh?

    Nor have your arguments proven it to be true, and I was referring to Baal`s comment made at 8:18 am actually.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    @5BrainCells

    It`s OKAY, man. You don`t have to make up excuses. We all know that you`re so caught up in your own little world bubble that truth, facts, and reality are hard to see, and even harder to accept.

    Baal`s comment about sources: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 8:33:46 AM

    5`s reply, making the comment about Crakr`s "7" sources: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:36:33 AM

    Id` say, 5, that you had plenty of time to actually read Baal`s comment. But, as usual, because it would involve actually getting some facts straight and looking outside the walls of your bubble, you chose not to...

    Side note: There used to be quite a few Muslims in my old school. I ended up in classes with a few of them. Every single one I met, and all the ones my friends met, were pretty cool people. They just wanted to live and let live. Compared to that, there was this one Evangelical preacher who made an ass of himself every day, treating them all like dirt...
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    Greylights Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    LionHart2
    "And Evolution is completely counter to Biblical teaching, but Christians believe in that too. You`re falling right into the trap this article was trying to teach you not to, stereotyping all Muslims as religious fanatics."

    I`m not stereotyping. I`m sure many Muslims do believe in evolution, but 45% sounds far too high from my experience, with most of the Muslim people I speak to in the medical profession, moderate and highly educated. Ask your Muslim friends if they believe in evolution - I`d be surprised if it was more than a handful. Islam is not like Christianity in this respect, and I have doubts as the the veracity of the statistic.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:36:33 AM

    I haven`t read Baalth`s replies yet...

    THIS post? Where I say OUTRIGHT that I haven`t yet read the replies? Since I was reading a page back, and if you type something, then change pages it gets ereased THIS post?
    Since I was commenting on something Cajun said, NOT what Baalth may or may not have replied, THAT is your problem @Altaru?
    You guys really are idiots! lolz!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 3:45 pm



    I lolz in your direction!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Since I was reading a page back, and if you type something, then change pages it gets ereased
    Catch up with the times, man. There`s this thing called Tabbed Browsing that can save you a lot of that trouble. Hell, there`s this thing called Cut & Paste that`s been around even before that.

    Maybe then you`d be able to actually read everything first, THEN comment. I was taught in elementary that I should wait until the speaker is done speaking before I raise my hand, to make sure he isn`t plannign on answering my question anyway.

    Apparently, you got an F in that...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    @5Cats

    In response to your picture I post mine:


    Seriously dude now we`re just arguing semantics
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    Sorry to include you in @Altaru`s stoopidity there @Cajun, but Cheesus! If I went and cut&pasted everything, I`d have a wall-of-text for every post! lolz!
    @Altaru: squirm all you like, you`re caught with your hand in the mental cookie-jar boy, why not be a `man` and admit your defeat? NAW! lolz! What libtard has EVER done that!

    Altaru: I lost? Change the rules! Change the topic!! Accuse the other side of cheating!!!


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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    @5Cats

    Really man just let it go you`re the one whose hand has been caught in that jar my friend.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    I`m tired of debating semantics with you.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    NAW! lolz! What libtard has EVER done that!
    To be fair, it`s genuinely difficult to engage in an intelligent debate with a man in his 40s who uses words like "libtard", and more importantly, the word "lolz!", in every f*cking post. Hey, I have a 11 year old neice. She grew out of that several years ago.

    Don`t get me wrong, I like 5Cats, I really do. But I`m not going to get riled by him on anything involving serious intelligent discourse.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2010 at 6:32 am
    QueenZira: Actually `martyrdom` is not considered suicide in islam.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32756 posts
    December 29, 2010 at 10:35 am
    @Davymid: because I tend to speak (and type) in a direct manner, people used to get all mad at my posting (Way back when on Hostboard!) over nothing! So I started putting lots of smilies and such in to alert the thinly-skinned that I wasn`t "all in their face" about something, but simply making a casual observation.
    It`s become a habit since then...

    vv banhammer @fearno with a smile! lolz!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2010 at 11:56 am
    @CrakrJak

    Wrong again dude. Suicide bombers are not considered martyrs because they are committing murder and attacking other`s property in the process. Both of which are sins in their religion. They are not defending themselves or their property.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 29, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    @davymid again, haven`t you yourself used the term "teabagger" here? My apologies if you haven`t, that`s the lefty equivilant of `libtard` eh? Kinda, sorta.
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    DesertWolf Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    @ CrakrJak & Cajun 247
    Here is one of the problems the world is having with Islam (go ahead and through all religions in there). Both of you are correct in your understanding of someone`s interpretation of what the religious rules say. And before the statement of the "Correct" interpretation is thrown down by someone, please back your "Correct" version with sacred references and leading religious individual quotes or inputs... I`m looking forward to seeing opposing sacred (or scripture, if you prefer) references and leading religious figure quotes. I love religion posts :)
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    "All right. Now we look forward to a completely civil and logical group of article comments"

    this ^^^^^
  141. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    DesertWolf

    Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell.
    -Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousef al-Sanei

    O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you.
    -Quran 4:29

    Now some have actually interpreted this as "do not kill each other" either way it condemns suicide bombing.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law

    Al-Anam 6:151
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    I didn`t see any remarks about the 71 virgins (sorry 72, but I took one).
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    December 30, 2010 at 12:46 am
    @LtFurpie

    That`s akin to the Christian conception (theirs or thereof) that when one enters heaven they`ll be granted wings and a halo.
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    DesertWolf Male 30-39
    63 posts
    December 30, 2010 at 5:18 am
    @Cajun247
    Thanks for your posts and quotes. I can`t argue with single line(s) taken from the holy book.
    My questions are formed from the issuing of fawtas; some which allow or call for bloodshed. I don`t know if there is an equal (order/request/command) from leaders of other religions. Perhaps I have this wrong and I am always looking to be educated.
  146. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 30, 2010 at 5:31 am
    This thread should get bumped back to page 1, eh?
    There are some (few) Muslim Clerics who say it IS OK to do terrorist things. This is the equivilant of a Catholic Cardinal`s edict. Now in the RC church the Pope can over-rule a Cardinal, but Muslims have no current "pope" (the final prophet would fill that role, iirc) so if you`re a follower of these particular Clerics, you might believe it`s OK to bomb regardless of other teachings.
    Not saying it`s correct, and for SURE NOT all Muslims think that way, m-kay? Still, some might honestly believe they`re `defending Islam` by blowing themselves up.
  147. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    December 30, 2010 at 11:58 am
    @5Cats

    Fine, but these "bombers" are neither mainstream or modern by Crakr`s definition. They`re the fringe extremist element of Islam. Just like the KKK, American Nazi Party, and British Union of Fascists are the fringe elements of Christianity.

    In both cases neither group make up no more than 10% of either demographic (Muslim or Christian).
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    DesertWolf Male 30-39
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    December 30, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    @ 5Cats - I agree, maybe a suggestion for the admin is a blog site for great topics (or flame wars :) )
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    DesertWolf Male 30-39
    63 posts
    December 30, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    @ Cajun247
    I think one of the major differences that I see between the extremist groups on the Islamic side and the Christian side (if you count KKK and Nazi as Christian) is that religious leaders on the Christian side (the vocal ones) disavow the actions (and intents) of "their" extremists while many vocal Islamic leaders do not disavow "their" extremists
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 30, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    [quote">while many vocal Islamic leaders do not disavow "their" extremists [/quote">

    Actually they do

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