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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:09 am
    Link: Who Won What Yesterday? Looks Like A Red USA - Because the mainstream media won`t admit the enormity of the Republican victories today. Looks like a Red Country again.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:15 am
    Now let`s do something with it.

    Although, I feel Obama will use us as a tool to demonstrate an ineffective government come 2012. He will try to pass a bunch of crap, and we will block it (as we should) and he will say "I`m trying to do the work of the people and they say NO!" like they always do.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:15 am
    Prop 19 failed. {legalizing marijuana}

    The stoners all headed out to vote but lost track of time at Taco Bell.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:17 am
    Republicans "take it back" from Democrats

    Dems take it back from Reps

    then the Reps again

    Then the Dems....

    Did anyone expect a differant result?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:22 am
    Conservatives statrted showing their displeasure with Obama the day after he was sworn in. Does that mean we can start complaining that the Tea Party hasn`t created any new jobs yet?
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    SorasNobody Male 13-17
    80 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:23 am
    Nooo- The republican`s won.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:25 am
    Auburnjunky said "Now let`s do something with it."

    You`d better hurry. Voters only give politicians two years to accomplish all that they promise.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:25 am
    Makes me want to cry. It was nice to think our neighbors to the south were finally joining the rest of the civilized world in this century. What with the health care and freedoms etc. Now, you`ll all be thrown back into last century.

    A very sad day indeed...
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    vegascartman Male 30-39
    735 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:26 am
    At least the adults are running the House again. Sorry inmates, you don`t get to run that part of the asylum anymore.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:30 am
    "Now, you`ll all be thrown back into last century."

    I don`t know about you, but I enjoyed the 90`s. This country runs better when we have a Democrat president, and a Republican congress.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:30 am
    On a scale of 1 to 10 in social development, you went from 2 to 3, now back to 2.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
    518 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:32 am
    Question. How does anything change? Look at our situation before. Currently, anything that wanted to be done has to go through the Dem house, and the Senate Majority (not super majority). Anything the House did would go to the Senate and get blocked by Republican filibuster, anything the Senate did would just get blocked by Republican filibuster. Well next year the Repubs will have the house, which will pass things. And then the Senate is not going to pass it. The Senate will still not get anything done due to the lack of a super majority and Republicans filibustering anything they do not like. AND Obama is the exec and will veto poo. No way to override veto in Senate, unless Dems back down.

    Basically our electoral college system sucks, our legislative process sucks. Winner take all system sucks. It is inefficient and made that way on purpose.
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    1gr8slice Male 40-49
    364 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:34 am
    Sad day...not enough people voting and fewer still voting with any understanding of the issues. Have yet to hear any Republican solutions to the problems. Love to see how well they handle the deficit by cutting taxes....
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
    774 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:37 am
    patchouly,

    If American`s were really about progress we wouldn`t have people simply running a campaign about how people shouldn`t masturbate.
    It might make you blind.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3348 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:42 am
    @patchouly: Well, at least masturbation will still be legal in Delaware. O`Donnell lost!
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    Mogulman Male 18-29
    295 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:48 am
    YAY!!! :D

    All of you drama queens claiming that we will "be thrown back into last century" or that we are going backwards need to grow up. It`s not like the democrats did all that much good. Plus, now we have at least some measure of bipartisan leadership. Having our government ran by only one party is no good at all.
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    docwatson Male 18-29
    253 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:50 am
    "Basically our electoral college system sucks, our legislative process sucks. Winner take all system sucks. It is inefficient and made that way on purpose."

    Yeah, our legislative system TOTALLY sucks for allowing the majority and minority to have equal say.

    ARE YOU NUTS?! Frankly the inefficiency is due to people not being able to actually compromise with each other like the founders did. It`s hardly the fault of the electoral college; it`s entirely in the hands of the politicians we elect.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:52 am
    The unbelievable fickleness of voters is proof that you should have to pass soome sort of test before you vote, to demonstarte you actually know what you`re voting for and against.

    Maybe then people would actually make an informed decision rather than "I`m a democrat so I`ll vote for him", or "I`m a Republican so I`ll vote for him", or "The last guy was Republican, I didn`t like him, so I`ll vote for the other guy this tim", or "The last guy was a democrat, I didn`t like him, so I`ll vote for the other guy this time."

    Anyone too lazy to actually research policies etc.. does not deserve the privilige of voting.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:52 am
    I know I`m opening a floodgate, but I don`t think any mainsteam media denied that Republicans had a lot of victories.

    @jtrebowski

    go for it, and actually to correct you, they were already showing their displeasure once McCain bowed out and were blaming Obama for issues even before being sworn in.
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    vegascartman Male 30-39
    735 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:53 am
    "Love to see how well they handle the deficit by cutting taxes...."

    Wrongo dude. Tax cuts INCREASE revenues, not hurt them. Kennedy knew this, as did Reagan. People like you, Carter, and Obama haven`t got a clue about basic economics unfortunately don`t and the result is that higher taxes mean less revenues because it kills the economic growth of a country.
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    docwatson Male 18-29
    253 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:54 am
    "All of you drama queens claiming...that we are going backwards need to grow up. It`s not like the democrats did all that much good. Plus, now we have at least some measure of bipartisan leadership."

    We will be kept back because for the last few years Republicans have been a party of "If X doesn`t happen, Y WILL!" They are largely a party of fear-mongering and statism. The "democrats didn`t do much good" because the other party (that is, the Republicans) kept filibustering everything dems tried to get passed. Even when the Democrats reneged on issues the Republicans got angry about it. Obamacare is very close to the same legislation Mitt Romney (that same Republican who ran for President last term, if you forgot) sponsored for healthcare legislation before, for instance. Things will only change for the better once voters wise up and realize parties in general are simply bullpoo
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    docwatson Male 18-29
    253 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:55 am
    "Wrongo dude. Tax cuts INCREASE revenues, not hurt them."

    Is that how Clinton managed to balance the budget then?
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    faustsshadow Male 30-39
    418 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:56 am
    I`m all for having things jammed up in Congress. It`s the next best thing to the BuSab.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:58 am
    Don`t be fooled. It`s not all doom and gloom. The anti-abortion crowd lost 3-1 in Colorado which is a solidly red state. They didn`t win the Senate. republicans are in a position where they will be forced to work with democrats or face the same incumbency wrath that swept them into office.
    Was nice to see Sarah Palins candidates get rejected in DE, NV and her home state of AK.
    It`s a sad day for pot heads. A truly sad sad day.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:59 am
    5Cats:

    Who won: Republicans.
    Who lost: America.

    And it always looks red on those maps. Even when Obama won (60% landslide) it looked red.

    Here`s a cartogram of the 2004 election, when Bush won a second term:


    That`s your country arranged by population.

    THIS is your country, for the same election, not arranged by population:

    .

    That`s why we look at votes, and not the amount of land area the votes come from. Unless you`re trying to make a point. Again.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
    1083 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:59 am
    At least O`donnell and Angle lost. That helped me sleep last night.
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    zmeace Male 18-29
    807 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:59 am
    dems were destroyed :( :( :(
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:01 am
    and to add: lol, look, how many retards went to their nearest gun store and stocked up on guns and ammo when Obama was elected? Those are the same conspiracy theorists that are keeping the fear alive in your homes.
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    zmeace Male 18-29
    807 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:01 am
    i feel bad for obama though, he must have shat himself. he is not going to get anything through anymore, the house, the senate and the president are going to be in constant arguments
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    vicious_liar Male 13-17
    1226 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:01 am
    This is typical American thinking.

    Don`t like what is going on right now? Vote the exact opposite, instead of simply adjusting some details.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:03 am
    @madest

    that damn thing has been on the ballot the last several election years, it`s never getting passed or even close to it.

    Legalizing marijuana has a much better chance getting passed than that.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:03 am
    I`ll come back in here in a few hours (got some stuff to do) and post all my predictions up to 2012, and you can write them down and tell me if I`m right at the end of it.

    For now I have some stuff to do.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:04 am
    @zmeace

    It was bound to happen. Americans have pretty short memories and rely on mainstream media to tell them what to do, in the end it just ends being whoever is louder, which is more recently Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2010 at 8:05 am
    I lived in Colorado Springs for a stretch. I knew they were republican but I never felt any anti abortion fervor there.. Must be a more rural crowd that worries about such nonsense.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:09 am
    @madest

    Yeah pretty much. I`m still shocked that Buck is even this close in this race, he supports that same measure.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:10 am
    Just checking back on a conversation a couple of months ago concerning an American backlash on Obama`s partisan agenda that Maddest said wouldn`t happen. How did that work out last night?
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2764 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:13 am
    This is what most republicans are saying on my facebook this morning (this is an exact quote):

    "America goes about 90% RED. All across the nation we went right and that my friends is the RIGHT way to go. Now we can tell Obama NO to everything he wants passed. Do I smell impeachment??"

    Most voters just go for the party across the line "just because"... just like the republicans will block everything Obama wants to work on "just because"...

    Our country is run by grade schoolers
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    Blaklesby Male 18-29
    24 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:15 am
    LOL typical democrats. Always sore losers.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Bye bye gay rights, pro-choice and secularism :(
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:17 am
    @halfpintroo

    Do you like me? (circle one)

    yes or no
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
    1883 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:18 am
    I`m deeply saddened by the way the election turned out in my state. Then again, my state is the kind of state that Palin will rely on if/when she makes her bid for President.

    Yeah, that sucks.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:19 am
    @ DaBigMachine, It worked out great! Pretty much ensures an Obama re-election in 2012.
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    Blutdurstig Female 18-29
    165 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:20 am
    Majority of younger people are Dems... hmmm...
  44. Profile photo of HalfPintRoo
    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2764 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:23 am
    @seph- I thought we were using bubble scantrons these days?
  45. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:25 am
    @Blutdurstig

    Mostly because they are more in tune with a more progressive mindset, typical conservatives are quite the opposite, which follows with the older generation.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:25 am
    @halfpintroo

    I would`ve have, but then the bubble wouldn`t have lined up, and I wouldn`t have been given a solid answer. ^_^
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:26 am
    @ Maddest: Looks like I`ll be bringing up another one of your sentiments in 2 years when Obama is looking for a new job. In fact, I`ll predict now (for you to bring up to me in 2012) that we will have a new Conservative President (probably backed by the Tea Party) a bigger majority in the House and control of the Senate. Oh yeah, and we`ll pick up even more Governorships. All because Obama won`t work with this new Congress and will continue to demand that his new "enemies" get in the "back seat" and that they "have to work with him".
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    Lyannovitch Female 18-29
    262 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:27 am
    Why is everybody so pissed at Obama? As if he really got the chance to make some improvements. Everything was voted against!
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    tridirk Male 50-59
    313 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:28 am
    Americans don`t like big government pushing policies down their throats. (That`s for other countries).

    Elections swing back and forth. This was not a pro-Republican election. This was an anti big government election.

    Now it is time for big government to get out of the way and let Free Americans do what we do best!
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:29 am
    @Lyannovitch

    They`re vindictive of the lashing the liberal community handed out to Bush.

    Granted, he was a puppet, but most of the hardcore right wingers are.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:34 am
    @ DaBigMachine, Ok man. Beware what you wish for. Republicans have a history of promising freedom while spying on their citizens, denying gay people equal rights and locking up pot smokers.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:34 am
    @Lyannovitch: you must not be aware of him passing Health Care, Federal Finance Reform, Stimulus Bill(s), suing Arizona for trying to protect itself, not extending tax cuts for everyone AND not passing a budget (which is what the Democrats wanted) against the will of the nation (check any poll for confirmation on that). Which by the way, gives us last nights results.
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    Rman1201 Male 18-29
    247 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Every time this has happened the Democratic president was re-elected (Truman, Eisenhower, Clinton) :)
    But this map says nothing, it looks like so much red because of all the huge mostly empty rural districts which are always conservative. Nearly every major city has a tiny district (because of the large population density) and is democrat.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 8:37 am
    Big surprise, USA is well known for their double faced views on politics
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:37 am
    "It`s not all doom and gloom."

    No it isn`t madest. It`s awesome!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:39 am
    "I lived in Colorado Springs for a stretch. I knew they were republican but I never felt any anti abortion fervor there"

    There isn`t an anti-abortion fervor anywhere.

    I`m in Alabama F.C.S. and I never hear anything about it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:40 am
    "Pretty much ensures an Obama re-election in 2012."

    Be sure to check back when this one fail as well...

    Although, he can use this to his advantage. He can sit back and literally do nothing, and claim it was the House`s fault.

    That may be flawed thinking though, since the senate is still Dem controlled.
  58. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:42 am
    @maddest: let the pot smokers go free, give gays equal rights as married people under civil unions or whatever they want to call "being together", just don`t call it "marriage" (marriage is between a man and a woman) as far as I care. But, what Americans want is smaller government, fiscal conservancy, balanced budgets, low taxes, reduced deficits, protection for it`s citizens (not having fellow states sued for trying to do the Federal governments job) and on and on...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:42 am
    "Everything was voted against!"

    Like Health-care. The stimulus. Government take-over of GM. etc. etc.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
    366 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:43 am
    Looks like we`re going to be a backwards thinking country yet again. So much for actually thinking about progression. Damn tea baggers
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:43 am
    So straight people own the dictionary?
  62. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:44 am
    Yes. Straight people own the dictionary.

    Thanks for playing.
  63. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:52 am
    "So straight people own the dictionary?"

    Why would gays want the term "marriage/married" attached to their relationship? Marriage is a religious institution, long established as being between a man and a woman. Seems to me that liberals, Progressives, (most) homosexuals and of course atheist (all that want gay "marrigage") have rejected anything that smacks of religion or Biblical principals. So why would they want this Biblical institution applied to their lives? The term and institution of "marriage" is meaningful to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc. because of Religion. So, homosexuals should just come up with another term for two same sex being "united" and they`d probably make better headway on their goal of achieving equal government privileges that equate to what married couples have.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2010 at 8:55 am
    Red represents Repuglicans for a reason. Red = blood. I SO wish I could move to another country. Even when the Democraps are in power things are a mess, but red is worse.
  65. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:57 am
    @freddyferret:

    Blood can also be blue. The difference? Blue blood is depleted of oxygen and red blood is oxygen rich. So symbolic.
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    B-b-beccah Female 18-29
    668 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:02 am
    Oh United States politics...I just do not care.
    Who`s ready for the provincial election?! Yeeeah NDP in da HOUSE
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:02 am
    i think your confusing blood with veins...

    thanks for playing... boy your dumb
  68. Profile photo of kilroy5555
    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
    496 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:03 am
    Hey Progressives: you`re still free to f*** up your own states. Why can`t you be happy with that instead of insisting on having your way at the national level?
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:07 am
    @Lyannovitch

    I cannot speak for all other Americans but for me I am pissed at the status quo. Economically and in foreign policy. I thought he was going to shut down guantanamo, I thought he was going to bring the troops home and just go after Usama bin Laden but that is not what has happened. We are saddled with combating the taliban in Afghanistan who just want us out of there, we appear to be propping up in Iraq to stay with an embassy the size of the vatican and 14 new military bases. Economically the stimulus was proposed by republicans but adopted by this administration, it just seems like the democrats are the same as the incumbent republicans. Oh and TARP well I will need a whole post to explain my frustration there.
  70. Profile photo of HalfPintRoo
    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2764 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:12 am
    "Hey, I`d really like for us to work on this bill we have here because it will help the American people"

    "NO!"

    "No?"

    "NO! YOU`RE A DEMOCRAT! NO!"

    "Don`t you even want to read it?"

    "NO"

    "Well, how about you...."

    "NO!"
  71. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:16 am
    @tonyjet

    It`s not that surprising lol
  72. Profile photo of Dolomyte
    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:17 am
    TARP - Troubled Asset Recovery Program

    Well lets begin with what a troubled asset is. A troubled asset is some collateral property that cannot trace its financial means. What does that mean? Well banks are allowed to loan out more money than they have on hand, this is called fractional reserve banking, if done by anyone else its called counterfeit fraud. But the Federal Reserve System allows banks to do this with some rules and regulations. When a bank cannot locate the financial means for the collateral property they claim to own, they have loaned out money they did not have and violated the rules that allowed them to counterfeit money. They broke the law, then the government, instead of punishing them, decided to give them the money it takes to have `financial means` for the collateral property. The government covered it up in essence.
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    Heilsquav Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:20 am
    I really don`t like political parties in general. I dislike people who think things are perfect the way they are, but I really despise people that think changing everything will always make a change for the better. Some people need to make up their own minds about subjects instead of listening to parties and choose what they think is the lesser of two evils.
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    Puddingbrood Male 13-17
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:21 am
    @dabigmachine:
    Actually there is no blue blood, your veins just look blood for other reasons. Your stupidity is symbolic for republicans.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:23 am
    @ Tonyjet: "i think your confusing blood with veins...

    thanks for playing... boy *your* dumb"

    I`ll concede that you`re correct. I was thinking of veins. That`s what I get for responding to a dumb comment. It makes you have dumb responses.

    Oh, by the way... it`s: "boy you`re (as in YOU ARE) dumb".

    See, it`s infectious. Thanks for playing also.
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    jwcgator Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:24 am
    @DaBigMachine

    Deoxygenated blood is actually a darker shade of Red.

    You want REAL Symbolism? Oxygenated blood is red, but Deoxygenated blood is even more red.
  77. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:27 am
    "Red = blood"

    Red = The red in the American flag you maroon lol!
  78. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:28 am
    @Puddingbrood: "Actually there is no blue blood, your veins just *look blood* for other reasons. Your stupidity is symbolic for republicans."

    My veins just "look blood"? Your stupidity is symbolic of you alone.
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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:31 am
    @halfpint

    you must suck
  80. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:34 am
    Blood is the new dark red.
  81. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2010 at 9:34 am
    @jwcgator: "even more red"

    what would that look like? I`d accept darker red, as in more black or blue added to the already primary color of red? Because that would technically still be red, but just darkened by adding colors. Of course, if you add enough of another color or colors you`ll get a completely different color such as purple or orange, which are secondary colors. So, in essence... what the hell are you talking about?
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    Joshyboy989 Male 13-17
    169 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:34 am
    As an ingnorant European teenager, I`d just like to ask:
    "Is Barack Obama Republican or Democrat?"
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    squoggle Female 18-29
    158 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:37 am
    Oh no... seems like back to greedy
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    TrivialSteve Male 40-49
    38 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:37 am
    Who wrote the comment about the mainstream media not showing the enormity of the Republican win? Because you are an idiot: your source is the damn New York Times. Good luck Republicans; I`m sure you can put the country right back where it was when you last ran things! Man was 2008 a great year!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:41 am
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    domisgood Male 18-29
    4868 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:42 am
    "Red = The red in the American flag you maroon lol!"

    Maroon = the colour in the Sri Lankan flag. What game are we playing exactly?
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:44 am
    @Joshyboy989

    Obama is definitely a Democrat. More precisely a Progressive Democrat (which actually manages to be further left than liberals) with Marxist/Socialist ideology. Hope that helps. Of course, some on here would decry that he hasn`t been "left" enough. I imagine that once he got in office he realized he would get absolutely nothing passed if he threw out his true desires. So, he`s opted to pass legislation that`s as far left as possible in hopes of revising/amending it later to get it where he wants. Which is a maneuver straight from the Progressive "handbook". Hopefully this helps.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2764 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:46 am
    @ForAllThSin

    Awesome comeback.
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    Hightech90 Male 18-29
    72 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Idk why people are either really upset or really happy about this race. I`m happy that Obama no longer has majority and that he`s in a 2 year lame duck session, at least his government expansion will halt. However, its not like the Republicans will do anything (I hope they do, but I highly doubt they will). Really both parties have been screwing up our country for a while now. We need to start electing people who follow the Constitution, balance the budget and keep government out of our lives no matter what the party. I`m very happy that Rand Paul got elected as he will follow his father`s footsteps along this path, I hope many of the new members of Congress will do the same.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:48 am
    @domisgood: "`Red = The red in the American flag you maroon lol!`

    Maroon = the colour in the Sri Lankan flag. What game are we playing exactly?"

    It means exactly what auburnjunky said. There is NO official symbolism of the colors in the US flag. In other words, red does NOT symbolize blood as others would imply.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:51 am
    @Hightech90

    Glad to see another sane board member here. Thank you for well spoken sentiment.

    @CrakrJak

    That`s beautiful. Is that your handiwork?
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    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
    229 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:55 am
    Yesterday = one of the inevitable desperate last stands by conservatives to maintain the White-rich-heterosexual-male agenda that has defined the history of politics in the U.S. If one looks over the history of the country we have continually become more and more progressive. We are an extremely diverse, multicultural nation and as traditionally marginized groups continue to have their voices heard and have a greater influence in the country`s politics, disappointment will become the norm for conservatives. Have patience, it`s only a matter of time.
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:57 am
    I hate this poo. -.- Being Democrat or Republican should be a generality, not define who you are and what you believe to a tee. We are one country, that needs to learn to work together instead of fighting like cats and dogs. It`s ridiculous.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:00 am
    It`s funny to hear folks saying that Obama is "Far Left" when, by the standards of the rest of the civilized world, he`s very much centered.

    My guess is, all the hillbillies got off their sisters long enough to "vote against that black guy". There`s no other way such a backward, uncivilized set of folks could control a country. I mean, the way the Tea Party folks want to take away American`s rights and freedoms is just about as Anti-American as it gets.
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    connor53 Male 13-17
    207 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:02 am
    @Shnard-dog
    Are you aware that in my state we just elected another Latino as our senator? On top of that, this just shows that people are sick of Liberal crap (for now). In another couple of years that map will be blue again and then red and so on and so forth. Neither party is going anywhere.
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    squoggle Female 18-29
    158 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Can anyone explain what natural law is? I don`t get the wikipedia page - you know maybe because this post is about american politics and jazz
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    Hightech90 Male 18-29
    72 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:07 am
    @Shnard

    You`re about 2 years late with that comment. People were calling the Republicans dead then, they aren`t dead. I am a limited govt person and disagree what many of them are doing, but the Democrats and Republicans will always live on.

    P.S. I feel sorry that you feel that way about them. If you really look at it, the Dems are currently carrying out modern day slavery with their welfare and benefit programs.
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    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
    229 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:08 am
    @ Conner - I hear what you`re saying and I think the trend will continue for a while, but when you consider that for the first two centuries, the U.S. was run exclusively by rich White men. Look where we are now. I`m not saying the transition will be a quick one, but it is inevitable.
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    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
    229 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:09 am
    Wow Hightech, if you really believe that then I doubt there is much that I can say that would change your mind. Wow!
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:10 am
    What the hell is "progressive" supposed to mean? Is that the new republican put-down for democrats? "Liberal" wasn`t working now you`re going to give "progressive" a try? Ok then explain the difference. I doubt there is one.

    My great state of Maryland didn`t change. If anything it got more blue. We`ve pretty much always been blue and as a result we have the top rated schools in the nation. A lower unemployment rate than the national average and best of all there`s very few inbred rednecks living here.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Mabey Obama should take the hint.
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    Scotchy Male 18-29
    592 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Im in agreement with the idea that the whole system needs to be flushed and put in with new water. A lot of people in the senate/House have been there for a very long time, or been in politics since the 60`s and 70`s. We need more younger generation people that know what TODAY`s society is like, not how it was in the cold war era.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Good to see we kept the same dolts in office in MA that got us to the 2nd most in debt state in the U.S. here we come #1 we`re #1 we`re #1!!
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    margot138 Female 18-29
    322 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Bummer. @McGovern1981 "mabey" Bush should have also seeing as the Dems had house majority when he was president at one point
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:16 am
    "A lower unemployment rate than the national average"

    LOL You actually count a government job as "employment"?

    They don`t even work!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:17 am
    "Man was 2008 a great year!"

    I`m guessing that was sarcasm.

    in 2008 the country was run by democrats, as they had control of both the house AND senate, and Bush`s stupid ass could do nothing anyway.
  107. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:18 am
    @patchouly

    Show me exactly where the Tea Party folks want to take away American rights and freedoms instead of upholding and protecting them by staying firm withing the framework of OUR Constitution?

    Furthermore, it was Independents that voted in Obama (based on his false promises and pretenses of being a Centrist) and it was they, not Tea Partiers, that made the difference by swinging to Conservative candidates.

    Also, thanks for being a total douche and insulting all Americans in your little temper tantrum from CANADA. I pray you`re not indicative of what all Canadians are like.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:25 am
    @margot138

    Bush take a hint? He can`t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time nevermind take a hint. Not supporting Democrats does not make me a Republican I suppor who I agree with most and anyone who blindly follows one party is a puppet.
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
    2688 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:27 am
    @McGovern1981

    Your namesake didn`t help things... But indeed, it DOES upset me that our residents decided to let the crooked dogs lie... Even one or two fresh face would have been nice. I think we`ve had the same Sheriff in my district for over 20 years.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:30 am
    @taylor_stone

    Lol ya... no relation... to my knowledge.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:31 am
    Hee hee, a better caption than mine, thanks fancylad! (or whomever)

    The only downside is that NOW Obama can actually blame Republicans for something. Of course he`s been doing that for 2 years already! lolz! And the MSM parrots him like the puppets they are...

    Let us hope the GOP does a better job than Pelosi & Co. Heck, it would be hard to do WORSE eh?
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    Jandoisking1 Male 18-29
    66 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:32 am
    I am a moderate, I don`t support one side more than the other.

    With that being said, I think it`s interesting that a lot of you are implying that republicans are "hillbillies" or "inbred rednecks".

    Especially if you consider that after this election, republicans in the house and senate are more diverse in terms of both race and gender.
  113. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:34 am
    @DaBigMachine

    The Tea Party wants to take away your right to abortions. Your right to Freedom of Religion (try being a Muslim in the deep south). Your rights to gay marriage. Your rights to an education (removing public funding). etc. etc.

    It`s a backward way of thinking. It`s returning the country to a time when "fear of God" was what made decisions. Not logic and intelligence.

    It`s taking all the advancements you`ve made over the past year and burying them. It`s all about erasing the middle class and replacing it with a rich hierarchy controlling a country of peasants.

    It`s a "Me, Me, Me!" attitude that is nothing but greed and hatred.

    It`s making the evil, mustache twisting villain, who shuts down the orphanage, into a hero instead of the evil bastard he truly is.
  114. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:34 am
    vv Roger that @Jandoisking1! It`s the same here in Canada, where the Conservative Party is more diverse than the Liberals OR NDP, yet it`s the same song from the MSM & CBC: Ogh those Conservatives are all old white men!

    Speaking of which, did you notice how many white people were at the Stewart rally? A LOT! A majority I`d say... (waits for a libtard to take the bait)...
  115. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:35 am
    And what the heck is it with Republican`s memories? Did you all forget that Bush got you into the mess you were in and it was Obama`s job to try and fix the mess. He didn`t create the mess.
  116. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:37 am
    vv @patchouly the Tea Party has NO "official position" on abortion, OR gay rights, and are FIRM believers in freedom of religion, eh?
    Y`all can repeat the MSM mantras until the cows come home buddy, but you`re so full of shiite it`s painful!

    How many orphanages did the Tea Party shut down last year? You`re mentally deranged! Seriously!
  117. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:39 am
    madest: `Progressive` is the term Socialist Democrats have used to hide their true nature since their failures in the 1960`s socialist student movements. They coined the term, Not Republicans, For reasons of stealth and deceit.

    Obama was created by marxists like Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Source
    That is why Obama is still hiding his college records from the public, Otherwise people would find out just how marxist he really is.
  118. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:40 am
    @5Cats

    No "official" position, but every one of them will go on endlessly about it, "unofficially".
  119. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:41 am
    @patchouly: "The Tea Party wants to take away your right to abortions. Your right to Freedom of Religion (try being a Muslim in the deep south). Your rights to gay marriage. Your rights to an education (removing public funding). etc. etc. "

    Show me where on any official Tea Party website or official platform that what you said is what they are advocating for. Show me!

    "It`s taking all the advancements you`ve made over the past year and burying them. It`s all about erasing the middle class and replacing it with a rich hierarchy controlling a country of peasants."

    What advancements have "We" made? Also, seems like the Democratically controlled Congress (since January 2007) and Obama are doing a fine job on their own of erasing our middle class and putting the hurt on the lower-income class. They`re hurting EVERY class right now.
  120. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:42 am
    **big sigh**

    @patchouli:
    The budgets were passsed by the Democrat House & Senate, yes Bush signed them so he deserves a share of the blame, but far from 100% ok?
    The crisis was brought on by Clinton`s policies, and by Barney Frank REFUSING to make the smallest amendments when John McCain & a Democrat tried to address the looming disaster.
    Check facts before invoking "Bush Derangement Syndrome" m-kay?

    "Every one of them" Oh, you spoke to them ALL? And NO Democrats anywhere want those things as well?
  121. Profile photo of lashaspice
    lashaspice Female 30-39
    95 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:43 am
    @patchouly

    Your Ignorance must be sublime Bliss! That high horse up in Canada must be very comfortable. You have NO idea what the Tea Party is about and what they want to achieve and if you did you would be surprised. They are not Anti-American they are Anti-Big Government. They want DC to realize that WE THE PEOPLE have the power and they showed that yesterday. My brother in law is a life long democrat who voted republican because he was PISSED with what was going on in DC. American`s stood up and said No More! 20% approval rating..that is what Congress has..20%. Think of it this way..if you are in a room of 100 nerds, only 20 of them would approve of the Congress...is that too hard to understand??
  122. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:44 am
    Then tell me something "DaBigMachine", what do they want? What are the terrible things that Obama did, they want to fix? Taking care of the poor with health care? Something every civilized country should have. Or maybe it`s because he outlawed torture of prisoners? Could it be the way he has tried to fix the economy that Bush drated up?
  123. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:46 am
    @lashaspice

    Your brother-in-law voting Republican to "teach the politicians a lesson" is a perfect example of why stuff like this happens. Putting people in power who want to harm your country, just to teach someone a lesson, is not the right way to use a vote.
  124. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:47 am
    @patchouli: here`s a clue:

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:49 am
    It`s a cute Debt Clock, but it was ticking away, long before Obama took over.
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    buz Male 18-29
    139 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:55 am
    If all you can do is simplify everything then insult people you don`t like, do us all a favor and STFU. You`re acting like a whiny clueless grandpa.
  127. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:56 am
    @Buz

    Sometime we old grandpas need to simplify things for you young, upstarts. It`s the only way you`ll understand.
  128. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:56 am
    @patchouly: "Then tell me something "DaBigMachine", what do they want? What are the terrible things that Obama did, they want to fix? Taking care of the poor with health care? Something every civilized country should have. Or maybe it`s because he outlawed torture of prisoners? Could it be the way he has tried to fix the economy that Bush drated up?"

    How about you read prior posts first before asking these questions. Also, thanks for dodging my questions, but I`ll answer yours.

    Tea Pariers Want: Limited Constitutional Government, balanced budgets, reduce the size of government, NO deficit spending, non-activist judges that adhere to the CONSTITUTION (Here`s one source for their "agenda").

    (cont.)
  129. Profile photo of lashaspice
    lashaspice Female 30-39
    95 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:57 am
    Pat Pat Pat...he voted and it worked, we got rid of a 3 term politician that towed the party line and helped put this country in SERIOUS debt. Since this lovely healthcare bill has been proposed and passed my insurance rates at work have gone up, my Doctor that I loved and respected(and it is hard for me to come close to liking doctors or respecting them) was forced to retire because according to this bill...He is too old. You sit there and tell me that what happened yesterday is a travesty but you have no clue and you never will and honestly, you bore me.
  130. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
    As for Health Care that the Democrats passed against the majority of Americans will; the same one that Pelosi said that they had to pass before they can find out what`s in it. It has some good elements in it, but the bad outweighs the good by a long shot. In fact we get the pleasure of starting to pay for it a full FOUR years before it kicks in. Also, it`s already driving up premiums causing businesses to drop coverage or shift more of the costs over to it`s employees (I`m already enjoying that fun `benefit`). Other businesses are already having to adjust their budgets to accommodate the higher prices resulting in fewer dollars for them to invest in their businesses, thus resulting in the inability to HIRE more people! What a great win for a struggling economy. Does it still sound like it`s a win? To you, probably.
  131. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
    drat all the drating political posts! Where are my drating cat pictures and autotuned news? I don`t give a poo about republicans or democrats or whathaveyou, I`m still bored!
  132. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 3, 2010 at 11:03 am
    Right wing bloggers do not represent legitimate sources.
  133. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:10 am
    as for this statement (that FAILED to sway voters): "Could it be the way he has tried to fix the economy that Bush drated up?"

    Tea Partiers wouldn`t vote for Bush since he APPROVED the DEMOCTATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS`s (since Jan 2007) spending proposals and bills. It was the DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS (since Jan. 2007) that proposed the legislation that led to Fall 2008). It was the Democrats that pushed banks to approve sub-prime loans so EVERYONE could have a house. It was the Democrats that nationalized Freddie Mack & Fannie May to push their agenda that created the sub-prime bubble. Bush just went-along-to-get-along with the Democrats agenda. Resulting in where we are today that Obama continues to exacerbate with his policies instead of alleviate.
  134. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:13 am
    @madest: "Right wing bloggers do not represent legitimate sources."

    What are you refering to? My link to Tea Party Patriots for their Mission Statement? That`s not a blog that`s one of the biggest Tea Party sites there is. Where else should you go to find an official Tea Party platform/mission statement/agenda, etc.?
  135. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
    madest: It`s rather hard to substantiate, When Obama won`t release his records. The fact that he`s hiding them, When all the other presidential candidates (Hillary & Bill Clinton, Both Bush`s, Edwards, and McCain) released their educational records to the press, Is rather telling.

    Especially since Obama promised the most `open` presidency ever.
  136. Profile photo of Dolomyte
    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:45 am
    @patchouly

    This is a video of Ron Paul speaking to an audience at Indiana University. The Tea Party movement started as a result of Ron Paul`s campaign for the presidency in 2008. This is the view of the Tea Party Officially.

    Fair warning: the video is long (over an hour)
    The Case for Liberty
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    soundchic41 Female 18-29
    80 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:46 am
    "Right wing bloggers do not represent legitimate sources."

    Um this is linked to the New York Times.... how is that not legit?
  138. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:46 am
    For someone so intently interested in American politics... You`re rather ignorant, 5BrainCells. Or did it just slip your mind that there are TWO chambers of Congress?
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
    1548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:56 am


    A conservative House, contested Senate, and liberal Executive should actually pass some legitimate fiscal policy.
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    citizen_kane Male 18-29
    272 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
    republicans are bizarre to say the least. how anyone could support them is beyond me.
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    raikun12 Male 18-29
    586 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    I had a feeling it was going to end up this way. People have become disillusioned with the Democratic party.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Where else should you go to find an official Tea Party platform/mission statement/agenda, etc.?
    -------------
    I`d suggest asking the Koch brothers.
  143. Profile photo of raikun12
    raikun12 Male 18-29
    586 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    I love how Illinois has one tiny spec of blue for Chicago, everyone one else went republican :0 scary....
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    Bjarki Male 18-29
    61 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    OMG!!! Commie invasion!!!
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
    537 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    The democrats had their chance, they sat on their asses and convinced the populace to replace them. I am not a republican, but I can understand why the country went red.
  146. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    What I really want to know is, why bother with red or blue?

    BOTH have royally f*cked us in the past, and BOTH will continue to do so.

    It`s time for something new, but with all the partisan politics and controlled media spewing bullsh*t, things`ll never change.

    America`s gotten to the point where we just want our toys, we don`t even wanna walk to the toy-box to get them. We don`t care if the doors are locked, the bill`s are paid...

    People just wanna sit on their asses and play with themselves rather than actually doing anything. The world could burn, but as long as we have television, the general populace of America won`t care...
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Yesterday I voted Democrat, Republican, Constitution Party, Green Party and for every candidate running unopposed I wrote in Howard Sterns name.
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
    1356 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    introducing green!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Ok, back, I said I`d make some predictions, but saying as some of you (Auburn in particular) seems to have literally no long term memory. Let me refresh it.

    Here, write this down somewhere.

    First of all, it`s not all doom and gloom, as Madest said, simply because with a Democrat controlled Senate, there`s gridlock.

    Luckily Obama has done a good job so far, so maintaining the status quo isn`t terrible.

    The jobs will keep rising (hell if we`re not counting government jobs, everything is awesome, right Auburn?).

    Prediction: The Republicans will take credit for this, and so will now finally start admitting it is occurring.
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    B3N0C1D3 Male 18-29
    783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    "The democrats had their chance, they sat on their asses and convinced the populace to replace them. I am not a republican, but I can understand why the country went red."

    Yep. +1
  151. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Damnit, I wanted to look over some IAB archives for old statements I made but they don`t go to 2008....

    Basically I said "Obama`s not that great, you`re just gonna be disappointed when he does an adequate job in 2010, and will say he`s done terrible when he`s done alright".

    But no "I told you so" for today until I find it.

    Here`s the big prediction though:
    Republicans will try to repeal healthcare, they will try to leave in the forcing Americans to pay insurance companies.

    They will do this because those companies brought them in to power.

    Feel free to write that down.

    Finally "This was a referendum on Obama" from the likes of Crakr.

    As I stated, the same polls which showed this outcome, showed Obama SPECIFICALLY (not congress) has a 55% approval rating.

    In every case the Reps in these forums want to look anywhere but the exact figures of the thing we`re discussing.
  152. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Baal: Obama hasn`t created any jobs, We`ve had a net loss and unemployment is still over 10% nationwide, Some states are over 15% unemployment.
    He`s extended unemployment benefits to two years now, When it`s normally 6 months. And you`re calling that a `Good Job` ??!

    Obama is flying to Asia this week to negotiate over a free trade agreement with Korea

    The United Auto Workers earlier this year expressed their concerns, "At present, there is a 25 percent U.S. tariff on light trucks, which prevents Korean manufacturers from producing pickup trucks in a low-wage nation and flooding our market." Removing that tariff could allow unfettered access to that market, says the UAW, "jeopardizing 20,000 U.S. jobs."

    Yeah, So much for creating jobs here at home, The big 3 automakers will just ship those jobs over to Korea.
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
    496 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    @ Baal:

    For the most part, if your party controls any of the three branches, you have some control. Nothing major gets done without both branches and the Pres being involved. As far as the Senate, having a majority almost doesn`t matter anyway, since 60 votes is really the key number.

    For the GOP, the strategy going forward is gridlock until 2012, when they will work to get 60 seats in the Senate and capture the presidency. As far as the GOP concerned, the most important task was to capture the House. If you control the house, you originate budget bills and you can choose what to fund (or not), such as defunding health care (or in the 2006-2008 Dem case NOT defunding Iraq).

    We`re about to see a lot of posturing and blame game going back and forth between the parties... whichever party can get the label to stick will win out in 2012. If Barry doesn`t do a good enough job, watch for Hillary to mount a primary challenge if she thinks the support is there.
  154. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    @Baalthazaq: "...Obama SPECIFICALLY (not congress) has a 55% approval rating."

    Exactly what poll are you looking at? Granted Congress had a far worse approval rating than Obama, but that`s because they`re the ones who drafted the legislation for Obama`s agenda and the crammed it down American`s unwilling throats. All he did was sign the bills (i.e. Democrats death warrants).

    Obama`s approval rating, at BEST, was 45% BTW.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5879 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    patchouly: "The Tea Party wants to take away your right to abortions."

    Strange, I don`t seem to recall any Tea Party position on that. Cite please.

    patchouly: "Your right to Freedom of Religion (try being a Muslim in the deep south)."

    I live in the deep south. I`m related to Muslims and there`s a fairly large Muslim population in my area. Don`t see any problems. No Mosque`s are being burned. No lynchings. I think you`re full of crap.

    patchouly: "Your rights to gay marriage."

    So far, that`s not a `right`.

    patchouldy: " Your rights to an education (removing public funding)."

    Cite?

    Methinks you`re an idiot. Stick to hockey trivia, you obviously know nothing about what`s going on down here.
  156. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Pfft. Offshoring jobs? Really?

    Yet you want tax incentives to companies that offshore jobs? If you answered no, and you probably did. Good. Most Republicans agree.

    The Republican PARTY however disagrees.


    Also, I refuse to argue with you on the facts when you won`t look at them. The jobs? Look at the numbers before you start typing.
  157. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    Absolute latest figures give a 49% disapproval rating for the president, and this is the key: 79% disapproval rating for congress.

    When asked if they preferred Reps or Dems, the country voted 53% in favour of Dems, when asked how they were voting yesterday, it was a 54% swing for Reps.

    Now, why are we looking at the 80% figure for congress for approval ratings on Obama, when the Obama approval ratings are available.

    Why are we looking at it for "Democrats" when the democrat figures are available?

    Why? Because despite being deceptive, inaccurate, and flat out wrong. It supports an opinion which some people hold.

    So lets use it for everything.

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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    November 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    wowo colourful!
  159. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Source
    here.

    Also, as I said feel free to write down my verifiable predictions for 2012. ;)
  160. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    Oh and one more which is pretty good for Dems.

    Palin is going to tear the republicans apart. If she loses the primaries it won`t be without blood on the Rep side. If she wins, she won`t make it to president. She has a 55% approval rating with Reps (so could win a primary), and a 27% with the country (so would lose overall).
  161. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    released their educational records to the press

    I`m sorry is there something else I`m missing here? And honestly why do we care? We all know he`s an alumnus from the Harvard Law School and Columbia University and he has a degree in law. Ronald Reagan was an actor yet he is celebrated by many conservatives. Hell, Abraham Lincoln didn`t even have a degree but was a lawyer. As two presidents from Texas have shown you don`t need to be "progressive" to expand social welfare.

    There`s being open and then there`s being irrelevant.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Have you seen this?
  163. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    @Baalthazaq: "...Obama SPECIFICALLY (not congress) has a 55% approval rating."

    SOURCE: Like I said 45% APPROVAL rating. That`s using YOUR source.
  164. Profile photo of Dolomyte
    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    My predictions are that things will appear to be getting better because with a republican house maybe some of the big businesses will stop hoarding so much capital and start hiring again.

    The only problem will be with the new money created and pumped into the economy, and the companies not hoarding it anymore prices will rise on common goods and our overall quality of living will decrease. All the supposed non-inflation will catch up to us.

    All in all Obama will be get another term out of it, and the republican party will become even more divided. The fiscal conservatives vs. the social conservatives.

    Personally I feel Obama has been going in the wrong direction by handing out money to the big businesses, continuing our invasive foreign policies, and stepping in on our civil liberties like the case with DADT and Prop. 8.
  165. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    @Baalthazaq: Regarding Palin for 2012, I don`t believe she`ll get the nomination, even amongst Tea Partiers. I believe Newt Gingrich or (fingers crossed) Chris Christie, if he runs, or some other Conservative will get the nomination for the GOP. Probably, not Romney or some other "moderate".

    Furthermore, Democrats in the Senate are going to have an even rougher go at it in 2012 since more of THEIR seats are up for grabs than in 2010. Also, fun news on the HISTORIC turnover in state legislatures, yesterday, in to GOP hands along with a boat load of Governorships. That`s going to add to the Democrat destruction in 2012. Added benefit: more GOP control in state redistricting. Look forward to you re-quoting your "predictions" in 2012. Be sure to archive them on your computer this time so you don`t "lose them".
  166. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Oh yeah, here`s the sources for the historic turn over into Republican hands that happened yesterday. Here`s a small tidbit from the first article HERE:

    "Overall, more than 6,100 state legislative seats were up for grabs in 46 states. Republican state legislative candidates made a net gain of more than 500 seats on Tuesday, giving them more seats than at any time since 1928, according to the NCSL.

    In several states, the party took total control of one or two branches of government."

    In case you don`t like that source. here`s another: HERE

    Not all the results are in.
  167. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    ... so it`s only bound to get BETTER! (continued from previous post)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    @patchouly:

    I refuse to watch Olberman. He is as stupid as Beck.
  169. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    You`re rather ignorant, 5BrainCells. Or did it just slip your mind that there are TWO chambers of Congress?
    Um, WTF are you talking about? @Altaru? Really? The caption? The map showing House seats? Because there`s no Senate one I`m an idiot? Try asking the NY Times to put one up eh?

    Yikers! Your personal attacks are getting "Fisk" like (go look up "Fisking" eh?) and rather deranged @Altaru...
  170. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    @Baalth you`re FULL OF POOP AGAIN!
    That link lists ONLY the Democrat controled years, 2008 onward, NOT "Entire Bush Years" as it`s headline (which obviously is ALL you looked at) falsely claims!
    Done a good job? 9.7% unemployment? Yay! Have another cup of kool-aid man.
  171. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    It`s a bad sign, @Baalth, when you`re SO DESPERATE to change the subject that you don`t even bother to look at your own "sources" eh?

    REPUBLICANS WIN BIG!

    Here`s a prediction: The Reps will put forward a common sense, low taxes cut big gov`t budget which Obama will VETO!

    Here`s another: Obama will either not seek re-election, or Hillary! will whip him in the selection process. Quote me on that @Baalthy!
  172. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    @Baal: "Basically I said "Obama`s not that great, you`re just gonna be disappointed when he does an adequate job in 2010, and will say he`s done terrible when he`s done alright".

    But no "I told you so" for today until I find it."

    I know this isn`t proof, but I actually remember you saying something to that effect. I remember because I remember being surprised it came from you.
  173. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    @5Cats

    How `bout you try scrolling down a little farther hmm?
  174. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    I`ll clarify

    That link lists ONLY the Democrat controled years, 2008 onward,

    Scroll down there`s stats from January 2001 onward.
  175. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Baal: Finally "This was a referendum on Obama" from the likes of Crakr.

    I never said that, So please do not put something into quotes that I did not say.

    This was a referendum on the democratic lead congress, They were the ones that rammed the health care bill, 2 stimulus packages, and the bank bailouts through, Despite the pleas of their constituents. In essence Nancy Pelosi and her ilk were fired.

    Obama won`t be facing any `referendum` until 2012, That is if Hillary doesn`t challenge him for leadership before then.
  176. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    So...a new government took over when the country was already in a crap state. Since they didn`t magically fix it in a few months, lots of people voted against them in the next elections.

    Why is anyone surprised?

    We`ll have the same thing here in the next elections. Maybe worse, as our new government has had to cut stuff to try to reduce the deficit run up by the previous government spending money they didn`t have.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    The only thing I`m surprised about is that Obama wanted to stand at all. He`s not an idiot, so he must have realised he`d just get all the blame and then get voted out.
  178. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    Oh, I see now, thx @cajun!
    It`s still poop tho, lolz! For example, Bush didn`t spend a Trillion bucks on a "stimulus" eh?

    I heard one Democrat politician say (I paraphrase here) "Obama`s stimulus helped our state... we got 12 Billion dollars to create LITERALLY 1000`s of jobs!"
    Do the math, 12,000 million bucks created LITERALLY thousands of jobs! lolz!
    (I know, I know, this isn`t "the facts" but it sure is teh funneh!)

    Meanwhile: thread topic = Republican Landslide! lolz! +60 +6 means 2012 will be even sweeter!
  179. Profile photo of handys003
    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    Damn does this mean we are Communist now?
  180. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    @Cajun, a friendly question:
    How can the 9.7% unemployment under Obama possibly be better than the 6% unemployment under Bush? (averaged out eh?) I suspect the data used to generate these graphics.
    When they claim 2.5 million jobs created during the Bush years were "fake" I become extra doubtful.
    When the topmost graphic seems to show a "gain" in September, but the stats cited just below say 95K loss... it`s just wrong!
  181. Profile photo of tvremote
    tvremote Male 18-29
    447 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 6:31 pm
    I don`t even get how people are arguing over this chart. Republicans won 60 seats. The majority of the voting population is ignorant of any facts of who they are voting for and why. So there is nothing you can infer from this.
  182. Profile photo of Finwicket
    Finwicket Male 18-29
    371 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    Well everyone complains about obama but we are just going to get another republican to make the economy worse when the next presidential elections. we need a president that able to do something if anything can even be done atm. Honestly America has not had a great president in years.
  183. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    Good point 5Cats.
    Nevertheless deficit spending climbed from the start of the Bush years so the Republicans aren`t totally innocent. Now with a deadlocked congress a lot of bills won`t get passed and I`d prefer that to a Republican controlled congress and a Democrat controlled congress.
  184. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    Unfortunately this president hasn`t done much to fix it.
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    Qwertyuiopnb Male 18-29
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    November 3, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    @tvremote To say that the majority of the voting population is ignorant of any facts of who their voting for is by far the most ignorant statement I`ve hear in a while. Sure, many voters are misinformed by the media, but to make such a broad generalization with absolutely no evidence makes you sound like an uneducated person who thinks they know much more than they really do. I`d like to see how much you really know about who you voted for. I`m not trying to call you stupid here I`m just saying that to make those kind of statements is unfair and quite honestly in my opinion makes you look more ignorant than the voters you are badmouthing. Also, even if the majority were ignorant about who they were voting for, they still voted for republicans making them republican voters. Also, opinions of the voters now doesn`t change the fact that the HOR is now dominated by reps.
  186. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    vv Excellent points there @Qwerty, but he`s just parroting what Obama HIMSELF said just last week, eh? IF someone doesn`t vote Democrat it`s because they`re STUPID! (he really did say that!)
    Hey @TVRemote! You`re usually smarter than this, what`s up wit dat?

    Thanks @Cajun. I totally agree Bush could have done a better job of keeping the budget balanced. Two wars though, eats up the $$ real fast. However he should have vetoed the `bailout` but apparently he didn`t have the guts.
    Bush had MANY faults, but also many strenghts! It always bewilders me that people need to make sh*t up to criticize him & his term in office. There`s plenty of REAL stuff to find fault with!
  187. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1038 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    LOL @ US politics...Max Keiser had it right when he said USA is to docile to know when they`re getting screwed, and that they dont even know theyre slaves to the fed, they should take from China and chop their drating heads off :P
  188. Profile photo of tridirk
    tridirk Male 50-59
    313 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    Up yours Dead-Kittens. Wannabe is all you`ll ever be.

    If we want to know what being screwed is all we have to do is look North.
  189. Profile photo of Qwertyuiop95
    Qwertyuiop95 Male 18-29
    215 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    Wait, where`s the map of the Senate?
  190. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    vv Amen to that @tridirk! We`re LIBERALLY screwed up here in the Great White North, eh?

    Senate Map Not nearly so exciting, lolz!
    Found after 15 seconds on Bing btw... (lazy ^$$%&## IABers)
    I wonder if @Altaru will think I`m smart now... naw!
  191. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 10:57 pm
    There`s really very little difference between the two parties. Anyone who thinks anyone in congress cares about being fiscally responsible needs only look at the record amount of campaign spending done in this election. Let`s not even begin addressing the bipartisan support for the most expensive and intrusive programs (defense). The health care bill was pretty much identical to the republican proposed health care changes in the 90s.
  192. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    Da Big machine:
    "Like I said 45% APPROVAL rating. That`s using YOUR source."

    I know, I changed my source to the closest reliable source to yours I could find when it came under scrutiny, and then quoted it.

    ...

    Why are you criticizing that?


    Also, other people should be writing down my predictions, if I bring them out in 2012 from my computer, you`ll accuse me of cheating.
  193. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:04 pm
    When Obama told people not to go to Las Vegas last year; and they had 100s of conventions canceled; and 1000s of people lost their jobs; and their unemployment rate went to 15%; and the foreclosure rate became the highest in the nation; and the real estate market crashed, I kinda felt bad for the people there. However, since the dumb bastards just reelected Harry Reid, I couldn`t be happier for them. They got what they deserve.
  194. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    ...look at the record amount of campaign spending done in this election.
    We spend more on advertising makeup than we do on advertising for elections. Which is more important?
  195. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    "The Reps will put forward a common sense, low taxes cut big gov`t budget which Obama will VETO! "

    I`m happy to take on any objective predictions you make. The reps could put forward bills using Orphans as a new energy source and I`m fairly sure some people in this thread would be saying "See?! Common sense bill!".

    Mine specifically state which aspects will be repealed, not repealed, what will be said, etc.
  196. Profile photo of KittenCereal
    KittenCereal Female 18-29
    956 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    OldOllie, um...makeup.
  197. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    "We spend more on advertising makeup than we do on advertising for elections. Which is more important?"
    I don`t consider myself a "we" when talking of advertising makeup. Furthermore companies advertise products to buy consumers for that product. They get a return on investment. Makes you wonder what the people who spend all the money on political campaigns are buying for it to be worth them spending all this money.
  198. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:13 pm
    Also, to Crakr:

    "Bank Bailouts".

    Yes, the money went to the banks to stop them from crashing, this was painful but necessary.

    The Republicans are now pushing to obfuscate and deregulate the same banks, so they can do more of the same.

    Do you genuinely think that 65% of big business donations went to Reps this year because it`s bad for business?

    Basically, exactly what Kou just said below me.
  199. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    Also, why am I explaining advertising to a 50+ year old? Why do the older people have such unrestrained faith in one specific party? Are we, the youth, just pessimistic? Do we/they know something the rest don`t?

    Democrats don`t represent me. Republicans don`t represent me. That`s a fact. You`ll find that most libertarians, liberals, and "other" ideologies (not "parties") feel the same way.
  200. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 3, 2010 at 11:16 pm
    Finally, the purpose of large tax rates on corporations and business is so that those business are more likely to reinvest the money in expansion. When you lower taxes on the business, you make it more likely that this money will go to bosses, officers, managers, etc.

    Trickle down economics sometimes works, but completely different from "hey lets not tax anyone and just expect those who have a lot to give their wealth up for no reason"
  201. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:00 am
    This is the one and only result every single person here, democrat or republican, should be upset about:
    wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/feingold
    feingold fought for increased privacy, civil liberties, anti wiretapping, and campaign spending reform. He was the biggest opponent of the "unlimited campaign spending" that was the scotus passed. He lost to a high school dropout with no experience who married wealthy.
  202. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:02 am
    Kougaiji: If your company has a 90% tax rate, you`ll avoid it like Google did, They only paid a 2.4% tax rate by juggling their money through Ireland and into caribbean banks.

    Sorry to burst your bubble there, But your logic is fatally flawed.
  203. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:07 am
    CJ, loopholes will be there regardless. They are a serious obstacle whether the tax rate is 1% or 94%. Our biggest economic output was during eras of huge tax rates
  204. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:13 am
    Baal: Those banks that engaged in bad lending practices and GSEs that they knew were toxic, Should not have been rewarded with bailouts. They should`ve been forced into bankruptcy and the executives jailed!

    Yes, It would`ve hurt in he short-term, But those banks would`ve been bought or merged into other banks. Those banks are still weak and still likely to fail anyway, All that`s been done is prolong the inevitable and enrich the crooks that caused the crisis with bonuses.
  205. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:17 am
    CJ, I completely agree with you that banks should not have received the bailot. I`m still not a republican or a democrat. I highly doubt republicans, who receive just as much in bank lobbying money, would have *not* bailed out the banks.

    There is no honesty or integrity on capitol hill. Both parties are equally bad in my eyes so feel free to continue dogging the democrats but I have seen nothing better from the republicans.
  206. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:21 am
    Kougaiji: You are so wrong it`s unbelievable.

    President Ronald Reagan instituted sweeping economic reforms and deep across-the-board tax cuts, market deregulation, and sound monetary policies to contain inflation. His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs. As the Joint Economic Committee reported in April 2000

  207. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:23 am
    CJ

    1983- present? I was referring to the rest of the 1900s. I don`t consider a few percentage points here or there "high". The tax rate was nearly triple what it is today on high incomes, at one point, and the economy was "booming".
  208. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:30 am
    Kougaiji: The only time that happened was during World War II, The high taxes did not raise that economy, War production did. After the war, Taxes were lowered to get companies to re-tool and re-invest back to making peace-time goods and provide jobs for returning G.I.s
  209. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:32 am
    www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

    Worst economy occurred alongside the lowest taxes.

    Furthermore it does NOT make sense to be in these wars spending way beyond our means and continue to cut taxes to record lows. Why is everyone acting like the 1 trillion$ + deficit is all obama`s fault? it was 900billion around the time bush was leaving office. An extra $100billion is this magical, mystical number that makes everyone go poobrained? Can we agree that everyone`s responsible? It certainly was nowhere near decreasing when republican were in congress, why expect different from democrats?

    Again, I`m just backing the idea that they`re two sides of the same coin, not supporting one side specifically.
  210. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:34 am
    sorry, multiply all my numbers by 10
  211. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:38 am
    Kougaiji: Your link only shown the `Top marginal rate` income tax (For people). That`s not indicative of the capital gains taxes or corporate taxes.
  212. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:40 am
    High taxes do not promote re-investment, They chase investment away into other countries with lower rates.
  213. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:41 am
    by capital gains tax then, the numbers been rising up until 2000 ish, including reagan years. No wonder we`re in an economic crisis then.

    http://ow.ly/34cT7
  214. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:46 am
    Actually CJ, I misread that chart. was looking on average tax as opposed to right-hand column.

    83-86 were quite the years, but there doesn`t seem to be much correlation between the capital gains tax rate and the effective gains. Seems like loopholes adjust to to the rate to keep the benefits about the same, most of the time.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 4, 2010 at 12:53 am
    Kougaiji: Like it or not, America has to compete in the global economy now, Largely because of `Free Trade Agreements`. Our big corporations have no qualms about moving production and investment elsewhere on the globe to save money, And really there is not much we can do about it now.

    The only thing that keeps global businesses here is our superior skilled labor, High production rates per worker, and the ability to mark goods "Made in USA" as a selling point.
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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:57 am
    Ok hate to triple post. I hope you don`t mind crakr, but this is a completely different topic`d message. I really like the discussion we`re having though and I`ve actually discovered a lot in reading through the data that I did not know.

    I think the result of the election coudl be a good thing for the states, as some moderates say. Generally a republican congress + democrat executive = good for economy. If we have, theoretically speaking, the most economically focused party controlling the house (which allocates money for the budget) and a split senate and a democrat in the executive, then maybe we could see economic gains on one hand while at the same time progressing civil rights, liberties, and social programs.

    Might be an interesting two years, if the congress actually gets something done.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 1:45 am
    Kougaiji: I`m glad to hear you are discovering this information and learning from it. Usually it goes in one ear and out the other, With most people.

    This was all new information to me at one time as well. A handy idiom to remember, The tighter you hold onto a handful of sand, The more sand you loose. Also, There will always be greed, You can`t tax it away or legislate it away. The only influence on the greedy is the enticement to make more.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 1:46 am
    I`m waiting for you to address the point of why the Republican party are in favour of Tax incentives, for people outsourcing jobs?

    What about the reverse? That the companies that recieved the bailout are massively funding the republicans?

    What about that the Republicans are pushing to further obfuscate the banks, so we can see less of what goes on inside them, and giving them *more* freedom to make those same deals?

    Why is none of this important to you?
  219. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 4, 2010 at 3:42 am
    Baalth: bailout is the name of the game - that is the problem. Even barring regulation, if we were to allow an actual free-market to mitigate their losses, it would NOT BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE for them to continue operating so recklessly were the consequences not abdicated onto the American taxpayer! Furthermore, many of those American taxpayers were responsible for fueling the hype, while signing-up for loans that they could not afford (as you well know).

    The lack of ANY recourse from personal responsibility, coupled with the ability for a free market to adjust its behaviors to those which are financially viable, ALWAYS works toward the long-term interest of the consumer.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 4:28 am
    @Kougaiji

    While it may be a positive to have a Republican congress and Democratic executive, I am very skeptical that much will get done in the next two years. I have a feeling most of the time will be spent on repealing the healthcare bill, which should be amended and not repealed if anything. The healthcare system is sucking the life out of the people, but that`s for another debate.

    I hope we can get a lot accomplished in the next two years, our economy can`t sustain itself with a hung legislature bickering back and forth, which is a big possibility with the amount of anger between the two parties. Only time will tell though, lets just hope for the best right now
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    November 4, 2010 at 4:30 am
    And this map thing is retarded, even when a democratic president is elected the USA looks red since the rural population typically swings to the right. Only a complete dumbass would start a topic on this and be like, "SEE ITS RED."
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    November 4, 2010 at 4:33 am
    Red = Danger?
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 5:47 am
    Baalthazaq.... the ONLY reason jobs are outsourced is because it`s so expensive to run a company in this country and it`s going to get more expensive with the new health care regulations - this isn`t a secret.

    And democrats have done nothing to clarify tax code or government spending or monetary regulation, in fact, Bernanke (hired by Bush) just recently increased government involvement in monetary policy and increased government meddling and tinkering in monetary policy. This isn`t a party problem, it`s a federal government problem
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 6:50 am
    Here we go again. More empty promises to get in and take advantage of the American people. Sure does not take long for people to forget.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 6:52 am
    Here is to wasting tax payers money to get nothing done for the next two years. Isn`t this two party system just great. Both parties are only interested in stopping the other no matter how much of our money it will cost. I would rather spend money on our country then some war that never had to take place. Give me a democrat over a republican any day.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 4, 2010 at 7:54 am
    You make an excellent point @Sephiroth, it WOULD be better if the states were proportioned by number of seats, eh? Well, I`m sure there`s a map like that somewhere on the interwebs, and perhaps some IABer with skillz will make one for us :)

    @Baalth - you`re a mod, go make your own threads!! (unless you`re a content mod, in which case, ask fancylad to make your threads) WHY must you come to every non-leftist thread and CHANGE THE SUBJECT? Can`t you stay on topic EVEN ONCE? Geez man, grow up! Remember when Obama famously said "We won" well now he`s saying "We lost" ok? Fact reality! lolz!

    It`s funny how when Obama wins the election in 2008 "the people have spoken" BUT when he loses in 2010 it`s "the people are stupid"
    liberals = whiners
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 8:04 am
    @5cats

    It`s more about stupidity because the people have already forgotten how bad it was 2 years ago when not even republicans wanted to be republican. Cept for CJ, he`s hardcore conservative.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 11:39 am
    Um, WTF are you talking about? @Altaru? Really? The caption? The map showing House seats? Because there`s no Senate one I`m an idiot? Try asking the NY Times to put one up eh?
    Considering that, most likely unless the mod that passed changed it, YOU came up with the title, you are a dumbass.

    There are TWO chambers of Congress, and the Dem`s still control the Senate, in case you haven`t noticed. Of course you haven`t, you don`t even look at anything you don`t like to see or can`t use to your advantage, like a typical conservative.

    As such, it`s NOT the "red USA" you claim. So you`re an idiot. And trying to come up with excuses to cover up your initial stupidity.
  229. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Seph: No matter how bad it was 2 years ago, And most of that pain was caused by greedy oil speculators and greedy bank loan managers, Obama and the democrats have made it worse. For two years this country was headed in the wrong direction, We need fiscal responsibility, Not more spending.

    Baal: You keep spouting more liberal pablum, Without proof, Designed to invoke class envy. That`s typical socialist tactics, Divide and conquer.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Altaru: I see you`re trying to spin Tuesday`s historic flip to republicans as some sort of democrat victory. Seems your stuck in an Egyptian river man.
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    Shadowkin Male 40-49
    188 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 11:46 am
    All this flame drivel is for nothing. There is no reasonable party. There are reasonable people in both. Reasonable is not sexy.

    We have problems with voter education in the US. Most like safety nets for everyone if they work/disabled/child, but not entitlments of any kind. Most like immigrants but only ones who come here legally. Most don`t like abortion, but would never take the option away from a woman. I like money and I worked hard for it. I see many of my formally liberal friends who now have something to protect voting republican(young voters lolwut?). Many like criminals to to put to death if they kill someone(1st degree) or rape women or children. Most think other criminals deserve a 2nd chance after they do their time. Many find guns are safe tool unless you are an idiot. Most hate pollution, but co2 doesn`t bother them.

    There is no party that fits us. I do know that progessives, ultra rightwings and people who play SIMs should be watched very
  232. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 11:49 am
    Senate Map Not nearly so exciting, lolz!
    Found after 15 seconds on Bing btw... (lazy ^$$%&## IABers)
    I wonder if @Altaru will think I`m smart now... naw!
    I wasn`t trying to prove anything. You made claim of a red USA, I said you were wrong, there`s 2 chambers, and one is STILL BLUE.

    So no, you`re still a f*cking idiot.
  233. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    Altaru: I see you`re trying to spin Tuesday`s historic flip to republicans as some sort of democrat victory. Seems your stuck in an Egyptian river man.
    No, I`m just trying to point out the fact that it`s not the fabulous "red USA" he claimed, one side of the Congress is still blue. And the President is still blue.

    I`d say 2/3 blue is NOT a red, since I know basic fractions, you know...

    EDIT: No, I didn`t change anything, I just forgot to close my quote tags the first time around. misspelled it as "qoute."
  234. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Many find guns are safe tool unless you are an idiot
    THANK YOU for having a reasonable viewpoint.

    Now if only we could get the guns out of the hands of the idiots without someone ignoring the problem all-together and screaming "SECOND AMENDMENT!!!" so loud they can`t hear reasonable ideas...
  235. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Altaru: Either we all enjoy the same freedoms or we live in fascism, I`m guessing you`re leaning toward a liberal elitist fascism, With your gun comment.
  236. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Why on earth would anyone be in favor of the government spending MORE money? What do you people think the government has spent so much money on that is worth while? You know what else the government just did? Made your money worth less... just in the last few days.

    And Baalthazaq: business should have LESS taxes, if that`s what you mean by "tax incentives". The less taxes companies have to pay here, the more likely they are to hire and use domestic labor! It`s really simple, the more expensive it is to run a company in America, the more likely American companies are to send labor and production overseas where it`s cheaper! If a business has to hire employees at a minimum of X salary and is mandated to provide them with Y benefits and then has to pay Z taxes on their product and production in America, or they can pay less than half of all that to hire someone in Korea to make the SAME product that they`re selling at the SAME profit, what do you think they`re going to
  237. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    Altaru: there are very few "reasonable ideas" put forth by people who are opposed to owning firearms. Mainly, it`s because the 2nd Amendment is VERY specific but for some reason people want to ignore it or pretend it`s not specific or that there should be exceptions.

    If you have any "reasonable" ideas about the regulation of firearms in America I`d be interested in hearing them. Just keep in mind that the second amendment specifically states that the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
  238. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    @CJ

    As much as I agree with you that we do need fiscal responsibility, most of the problems that caused this mess with the economy were blatantly ignored until it had boiled over.

    I don`t quite agree with the cost of the healthcare bill, but I do believe something had to be done to healthcare.

    I don`t agree with bailing out the banking institutions, they caused their own problems with their corporate greed.

    But the thing I can agree on is that something had to be done, McCain had no plan and neither would Palin for that matter, and with how terribly Bush` presidency ended up Obama was a shoe in to win office.

    The main problem I see with the republican party now is that they will get Bush` tax cuts made permanent which helps out the top out more than the middle or the low, which we`ve seen it not help the economy in the way it needs to be helped
  239. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    The problem there being is that it`s going to keep the rich rich, while hurting everyone else. Boehner can tout that he wants to extend it to all income groups, but then you have to wonder, if your cutting taxes what are you cutting to make this budget balanced?

    My instincts from the republican party point to things they consider optional, eduction being near the top of that list. Which is already hurting by being pigeonholed by a terrible NCLB policy, and I know the problems with that personally since my spouse is an educator.

    Having to teach kids to a test when you have one kid that has parents heavily involved in the learning process, like I was when I was little, and one kid that has his mom in jail, doesn`t know who is dad is, and lives with his hispanic grandmother that doesn`t speak a lick of english is no way to grade schools funding.
  240. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Sephiroth: And now we`ve seen that spending a trillion dollars throwing money around and creating debt and printing more money really isn`t such a great "plan"! Guess what: obama didn`t do anything to fix healthcare - he addressed health INSURANCE and not even in a clear manner. He didn`t fix the banks: the fed just made money MORE available in the last few days. And you`re definitely right about Obama increasing taxes... and look what that`s done: more unemployment. For some of us that`s not a shock because rich people don`t pay taxes, they just move their money around and usually that means their employees get paid less or laid off.

    If an employers taxes go up by 5% guess what... he`s not going to just suck it up and lose 5% of his profit, he`s going to cut 5% of what he spends. And that means he won`t lose a dime but his employees will bear the burden.
  241. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    Sephiroth: And now we`ve seen that spending a trillion dollars throwing money around and creating debt and printing more money really isn`t such a great "plan"! Guess what: obama didn`t do anything to fix healthcare - he addressed health INSURANCE and not even in a clear manner. He didn`t fix the banks: the fed just made money MORE available in the last few days. And you`re definitely right about Obama increasing taxes... and look what that`s done: more unemployment. For some of us that`s not a shock because rich people don`t pay taxes, they just move their money around and usually that means their employees get paid less or laid off.

    If an employers taxes go up by 5% guess what... he`s not going to just suck it up and lose 5% of his profit, he`s going to cut 5% of what he spends. And that means he won`t lose a dime but his employees will bear the burden.
  242. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    @EricWRN

    I don`t think you understand that when you`re talking about healthcare, you`re also talking about health insurance. Now, not all portions of the act have been put into place yet, although republicans would like to tout that nothing more is going to happen with it.

    I urge anyone to check out csmonitor.com and look it up to get the facts.

    Now as far as your comment about taxes and unemployment, unemployment has always been the last thing to recover in an economic downturn.

    I don`t think you can place the fault entirely on Obama, although you and others will, I can at least say I remember when my hours were getting cut before Obama was even elected, and my team being short handed through the holiday season was to be expected, and to me it`s no surprise employment hasn`t bounced back yet.

    It`s going to take time for businesses to be motivated to hire because of the instability, but most people are done waiting.
  243. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    But I personally won`t be surprised in a couple years we`re having the same back and forth discussion on the economy and all the other issues at work.

    How long did the great depression last? People don`t want to wait half as long for it be fixed this time around, and I think people are not quite understanding that not only is it our depression but it`s a global one, more than the Great Depression was.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    You made claim of a red USA, I said you were wrong, there`s 2 chambers, and one is STILL BLUE.

    So no, you`re still a f*cking idiot.

    Thanks @Altaru, for clearing that up!
    And for proving, once and forever, that you are a complete douche!
    Since I did mention, and it is often the case here at IAB, that someone else wrote the caption, EH? And did a fine job I am happy to say!
    SO for not knowing a BASIC IAB rule (don`t blame the OP for the caption) you are FAIL!
    For nit-picking and going `nuclear` over a truely TRIVIAL detail? FAIL!
    I will now cease to hold even a tiny shred of respect for you, buh-bye!
  245. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    Since I did mention, and it is often the case here at IAB, that someone else wrote the caption, EH?
    I wasn`t referring to the caption, but the title. As far as I`ve known, they don`t usually change titles unless they notice something`s wrong AFTER it`s been posted.

    If it wasn`t you, then fine, I`m sorry. But it just seemed like something you would do in the first place.

    In the case that it WASN`T you, then obviously the mod who passed it needs to get a clue.

    And did a fine job I am happy to say!
    And for agreeing with said dumbass mod, you have proven no better than he, and made my original point valid again... I take back that apology.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 4:06 pm



    (that`s BAD kitty there actually, caption fail, lolz!)
  247. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Altaru: Either we all enjoy the same freedoms or we live in fascism, I`m guessing you`re leaning toward a liberal elitist fascism, With your gun comment.
    Is it wrong to take measures against a clear and present danger that`s already caused and is still causing problems?

    If you have any "reasonable" ideas about the regulation of firearms in America I`d be interested in hearing them. Just keep in mind that the second amendment specifically states that the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
    Education. Pure and simple. I want people to know just WTF they are holding when they pick up a gun. It is a weapon, it can and will kill things, and it can and will escalate any problem into a live-or-die situation.

    I want people to know that a gun should ALWAYS be a LAST RESORT or hunting tool, and NEVER a toy or something to show off.
  248. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    Is it so horrible to have to take a class or something before being allowed to walk around with a deadly weapon in your possession? Maybe said class could also teach other self defense methods, home defense methods, etc. A gun shouldn`t be something you rely on, it should be your last fall-back when everything else has failed.

    Classes should also teach how to securely store them, etc., to prevent accidents or thefts. I`d be willing to bet a fair few of the illegal weapons are actually stolen in the first place...

    @5BrainCells...

    Still doesn`t make you less of an idiot.
  249. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Is it wrong to take measures against a clear and present danger that`s already caused and is still causing problems?
    Altaru is PRO-LIFE! lolz!
    Also repetitive: hint Alty: repeating yourself doesn`t make your liberal BS any more true. Grow up little boy.
  250. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    repeating yourself doesn`t make your liberal BS any more true. Grow up little boy.
    Right... I`m the little boy because I`m NOT screaming about the fact that I might just have to actually walk to the f*cking toy box to get my toys...
  251. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    Map Of State Elections
    "There`s 2 levels of government" "there`s 3 branches of goverment"
    Um, biggest state-level wave ever? Most Republican States since 1928?

    Now about this "toy box"... please seek psychiatric help, m-kay?
  252. Profile photo of BetterBob
    BetterBob Male 18-29
    168 posts
    November 4, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    What are you retards ranting about now?
  253. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 5:17 am
    Septhiroth: you clearly didn`t read everything I wrote (though it was lengthy), because I already blame George Bush ALMOST as much as Barack Obama. I don`t blame Obama for starting this mess, I blame him for making it worse. And it`s funny you bring up the Great Depression because the great depression was extended so long because of government meddling and a "tax and spend" mind-frame! The Great Depression was commandeered by the most liberal and dictatorial american president in history.

    And sorry, but "healthcare" and "health insurance" are separate issues and to suggest to providing people with "free health care" will create "improved health care" is completely false. The only thing flooding a market of LIMITED RESOURCES does is create rationing and decrease product quality as it has to be distributed more widely. These are very simple and common-sense economic fundamentals and I don`t understand for the life of me why peop
  254. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 5:24 am
    ... why people don`t think these principles apply to healthcare administration.

    And I understand there are parts of Obama-insurance that have already taken effect, what I don`t understand is how they are an improvement on already existing systems. For instance, how does the obama-insurance version of providing "free healthcare for all children" differ from what Medicaid already does? And I`m sorry to sound like a jerk but making it mandatory to accept patients regardless of pre-existing conditions is complete bullpoo. What`s next, you can get a new auto-insurance plan AFTER you get in a car accident??? Life insurance AFTER someone dies? The whole thing is unconstitutional, immoral, and downright fraudulent management of an institution that politicians know NOTHING about.
  255. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31783 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 5:38 am
    Insurance companies have stopped insuring children seperately. So now, ALL children are uninsured, lolz! Since they cannot possibly calculate risk vs cost, the companies will no longer offer it!
    WAy to go liberals! Another `for the children` plan has utterly back-fired...
  256. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 5:52 am
    Altaru: I have a concealed carry permit which allows me to carry a concealed pistol in about 30 states and in order to get it I HAD TO TAKE A CLASS.

    I think most people who live around liberal-crowded cities and suburbs would be utterly shocked and offended to know just how many private citizens in this country safely and legally maintain and carry firearms.

    And I find it extremely irritating that when I travel to my home (new jersey) I have to stop on the drive up to "safely store" my firearm away from my person, because you know who doesn`t seem to care about firearms laws? Criminals. Sorry but if you want to murder someone a wait period, a concealment law, nothing is going to stop you from procuring a firearm and carrying it and firing it. Furthermore I hate my neighbors and we don`t get along yet we`ve never gotten in a shootout! Firearms don`t create murderers or crime - both existed long, long before guns.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 9:11 am
    red USA! Ahah the chinese communists took it over at last
  258. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Now about this "toy box"... please seek psychiatric help, m-kay?
    Please seek proper english education. It`s a metaphor for having to actually get up off your ass and get something yourself through personal effort instead of just having it handed to you. Namely, the right to wield a murder weapon.

    Altaru: I have a concealed carry permit which allows me to carry a concealed pistol in about 30 states and in order to get it I HAD TO TAKE A CLASS.
    And people bitch about THAT, for Christ`s sake.

    With rights and freedoms comes responsibility. If people don`t want to accept the responsibility, they shouldn`t be given the freedoms.
  259. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Um, i`ve never heard anybody bitch about having to take a class to get a CCW permit, most people think it`s a pretty good idea. I think cars are much more dangerous than guns, frankly. They certainly kill a lot more people and they kill people "accidentally". Accidental gun deaths aren`t common.

    And I`m not even sure what the hell you`re talking about "people not taking responsibility". I think we can all agree on that but what exactly does it even have to do with the conversation? What "people" are you talking about? I went on and on in my rant about how many people I know that own guns and I`ve never known someone who used one irresponsibly. Cars, on the other hand, I know lots of people who have used them irresponsibly and hurt, even killed other people.
  260. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 5, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    Oh and that`s not how freedom works in this country. Everyone is given freedom until they prove they don`t deserve it. "Innocent until proven guilty". You don`t have to earn freedom or earn rights or be granted them by a corrupt and inefficient government. That`s why we have a constitution. Correction: that`s supposed to be why we have a constitution and we`ve gotten away from it so much people (like yourself) don`t even grasp the concepts that the constitution stands for. Carrying a firearm is a constitutionally granted right of american citizens.
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
    1834 posts
    November 7, 2010 at 10:49 pm
    sad
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    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    November 16, 2010 at 3:51 am
    Voting against their own best interests.

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