Ron Paul Addresses Congress About TSA

Submitted by: madest 6 years ago in

The man who should have been president talks sanity to congress.
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Male 174
So Ron Paul wants to replace the TSA with a private corp. gg.
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Male 573
I can only agree with this guy about half the time. The rest of the time he just comes across as a heartless no-nothing libertarian.
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Male 221
The video wouldn`t load for me, versionhere`s a page with the youtube player
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Male 20
Broken!!!!!!! link
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Male 496
And OldOllie, I think our regulatory system was set up to ENCOURAGE these loans being made by banks. Why would politicians step in on the other side and shake their finger at Wall St for repackaging all the toxic loans they were encouraging banks to make, especially since you`re oftentimes speaking of different divisions of the same institution.
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Male 496
And it`s not over yet. The fact that so many more loans were originated meant that many more people could "afford" to buy houses. Which means that housing demand (and prices)skyrocketed before the collapse.

Now the number of people living in houses they`re not paying for is beyond the capacity of banks` foreclosure processes to handle. I doubt the market`s going to bottom out until all those toxic mortgages have been processed out of the market one way or the other.
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Male 496
Clearly Madest hasn`t heard the Obama interview where he states that the CRA started with a noble purpose, but that things started getting out of control once banks started doling out loans like candy. Or the video where Andrew Cuomo says that successfully implementing housing policy will mean that banks have to take on more risk, which is a necessary thing to end discriminatory lending practices.

I don`t need Fox News when I get it straight from the horse`s mouth.

When I say "Toxic Loans", I mean subprime loans which should never have been made by banks. These loans were bundled into mortgage backed securities and sold to investors. It was only after the mortgages underlying the mortgage backed securities started going belly-up that the investment assets actually became "toxic". Before they became "toxic", I suppose you might call them time bombs. Semantics.
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Male 17,512
madest: Democrats did it, Clinton pressured them to loosen the requirements and the Democrat congressmen covered it up, While taking campaign donations from the bankers perpetrating the fraud.
Obama hired Timothy Geithner and Hank Paulson, Both of them from Goldman Sachs, For his cabinet. Both of them profited from those fraudulent loans while employed at Goldman Sachs, Then helped orchestrate the bailouts that benefited Goldman Sachs.
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Male 15,832
Yes, CRA was passed in 1977 (under Carter and the Dems.), but it was the Clinton admin. that stepped up enforcement and got the sub-prime (toxic asset) ball rolling. In order to keep it rolling, FM&FM bought up the bad loans so the banks keep making bad loans. FM&FM bundled and resold those toxic loans to Wall St. as government-backed securities with above-market rates of return so they could keep buying more bad loans.

If this had never happened, there would not have been a financial meltdown. The fact that it DID happen made the collapse inevitable. No regulation of Wall St. could have stopped it. The toxic assets had already been created; it was now just a question of who would be holding the bag when the $#!+ hit the fan.

Now, whether the government should have stepped in and bailed out some -- but not all -- of the losers is a question that will be debated for decades to come. But the indisputable fact remains: government regulation caused it.
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Male 7,378
Certainly banks took advantage of Americas dumb people but that doesn`t account for the many million dollar mortgages that went into default. I know people like OldOllie and Kilroy who only know what they`re told and the people who tell them are racist. FoxNews has a large audience convinced that black people are the cause of our financial problems. ACORN did it! CRA did it! And these (yes simpletons) take the bait as if it were filet mingon served on a silver platter. When the truth is Ivy league educated white people who run Wall St. committed a massive fraud and none of them will do a minute of time.
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Male 9
Madest, even though you are making good points, you should probably educate yourself as well. Maybe take a communication class, or psychology. You MIGHT learn that the way you present your case, and the way you speak to those that you disagree with says far more than your facts. Talking down to others rather than simply stating your side is not the way to get things done. Educate yourself on basic human interaction, you "simpleton". (see what I did there?) And for the record, where AIG and others cause the bulk of the problems, the government programs are not helping the situation by forcing money out. Not saying it is the entire problem because I know better, but that doesn`t mean you shouldn`t address all aspects of the problem, not just the one you feel is most important. Maybe point out that the American people BOUGHT MORE THAN THEY COULD AFFORD.There are many pieces to the puzzle, don`t be so closed minded.
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Male 7,378
kilroy555, Another FoxNews economist. Banks didn`t create toxic loans. No such thing. AIG made "Toxic assets" (defaulted mortgages) worth more than good mortgages. Eeyeyeye eeeesh what are they selling you at Fox? ACORN did it! Simpletons, the lot of you.
The Community Re-investment Act was born in 1977 so by your calculations they laid low for a quarter of a century so they could ruin the economy in 2003?
Black people didn`t ruin the economy no matter how many ways FoxNews tries to convince you otherwise. Get educated, man.
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Male 496
OldOllie is right. Banks didn`t just wake up one day and start creating toxic loans for no reason. The financial crisis began with yet another well-intentioned government program to combat redlining and other practices viewed as discriminatory lending by banks. The explicit goal of the policy was to get banks to lower their lending standards even if it meant making more risky loans in the process. Banks were assigned a score based on the number of bad loans they made, and were punished if enough bad loans were not made. Community activist groups (ACORN amongst others) were empowered to sue banks for not issuing enough risky loans. CDOs were created and used to make money off of poisonous assets, and Wall Street did go too far, but the whole crises is rooted in the government f****** with the market for the "greater good". Bottom line: no CRA, no housing bubble, no financial crisis.

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Male 7,378
OldOllie, You talk in circles. First you blame the CRA, then you blame FM&FM and then say it`s due to regulations. Fact is FM&FM, the CRA and regulations didn`t force AIG to invent "credit default swaps". They insured toxic assets which was the cause of the housing bubble. AIG in essence made bad loans worth more than good loans and the fix for Wall Street was in. Banks jumped on the money making bandwagon and committed fraud on the American populace. The entire worlds economy was F-d by Wall St and their manipulation of the market. Fewer regulations are exactly what these dogs require to steal us blind and you are their patsy because you refuse to educate yourself.
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Male 2,402
Sanity in Congress!? Now why can`t congress just make everyone happy!
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Male 3,364
Crakrjak said: "Now let`s get back on the subject of the TSA checkpoint scanners and groping, Please."

Nah...we`re good. The ACLU is already looking into it.
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Male 15,832
And if you want a REALLY good book on the subject try The Housing Boom and Bust by Thomas Sowell.

The first review on that page provides a good synposis.
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Male 15,832
[quote]OldOllie, You`re overlooking Wall St. Banks committed fraud on the American public by handing out NINJA loans (No Income, No Job or Assets).[/quote]
madest, nobody gets a home loan, NINJA or otherwise, from "Wall Street." Most of those loans came from local banks who were forced to lower their standards by CRA. The banks unloaded those bad loans to Fannie and Freddy who encouraged them to make even more bad loans. Fannie and Freddy bundled those loans and sold them to Wall Street investment bankers with a high rate of return, usually 7% or more, and an implied government guarantee. Wall Street was dubious, so they bought insurance from AIG to cover their asses if the loans went bad. When the loans went bad, AIG didn`t have the reserves to pay off the claims.

Maybe should have let them take their lumps, but the fact is, the government made us a giant $#!+ sandwich, and one way or the other, we were going to have to eat it.
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Male 84
The video is at 2:37, go here for the actual c-span site.
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Male 1,548
@button_guy
Dead skin can`t get cancer. Cancer requires cells to reproduce. Being dead, they can`t do that. The radiation is reflected by a layer that is made up of only dead cells. Therefore, it can`t cause cancer.
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Male 17,512
Now let`s get back on the subject of the TSA checkpoint scanners and groping, Please.
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Male 17,512
madest: I didn`t say that Fannie and Freddie sold the loans, I meant that they were involved in fraudulent loans. Sorry if that wasn`t as exactly precise as to meet your standards.

Fannie and Freddie `securitized` mortgages in the form of mortgage-backed securities. They bought mortgages from banks and turned them into securities, Backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. On pressure from Pres. Bill Clinton they eased their credit requirements enabling `subprime` borrowers to get loans (Many of whom couldn`t afford them) at higher than usual interest rates.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Foxnews and it`s reporters have pointed out the fraudulent loans by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and others for several years now[/quote]
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Clearly you have no clue as to what FM & FM do. They don`t make loans, they buy and sell first time mortgages from banks. Come back at me when FoxNews tells you how to respond to that.
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Male 3,364
People seem to forget that it was the right-wing that cracked down in the name of national security. If they really wanted security, they would`ve hired college educated military and police types to handle it, rather than a bunch of pimply-faced barely-graduated high-school kids, and old ladies who used to be crossing guards. C`mon, people. Get real!
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Male 3,364
No one seems to give a crap how RuPaul thinks nothing of flattening mountaintops, drilling 650 toxic chemicals in the water table to extract nat. gas, thought we were too hard on BP for wanting them to take responsibility for the gulf spill, wants to eliminate the FDA, and generally doesn`t give a flying fark about public education, and you people want Americans to take you seriously? Lunatic Cons.
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Male 441
@CrakrJak any opinion that Fox News expresses proves absolutely nothing. I don`t think many people trust them as a news source at all, being that they alter the truth to fit what they want to say all the time.

Not that I`m involved in this... uh... debate thing? I was just mildly reading it while I waited for them to fix the link so I can see whatever Ron Paul said.

A different video one not from Fox would probably be a little more trusted.
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Male 17,512
Just One of several videos that prove my point.
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Male 17,512
madest: Foxnews and it`s reporters have pointed out the fraudulent loans by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and others for several years now, Long before the housing crash Fox News was reporting on the fact that the regulators were being told by congress to shut up about the problem. GW Bush is on the record warning about the bad loans 18 times before the crash.
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Female 3,598
umm... i think the video is broken? it is only lettin me watch like 3:00- 3:04
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Male 441
Uhh... I don`t see Ron Paul in this video...
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Male 7,378
OldOllie, You`re overlooking Wall St. Banks committed fraud on the American public by handing out NINJA loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). Hell they were giving out million dollar loans to asshats who thought they could flip the thing. Banks did that because AIG conned the world by insuring toxic assets. So before you point the finger at my ignorance, perhaps you should turn off FoxNews and read a book on the subject. I`d suggest, After the Fall: Saving Capitalism from Wall Street and Washington by Nicole Gelinas
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Male 5,194
FIRE PISTOLE.
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Female 105
Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Initiate Congress groping process!
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Male 269
I think thats the guy that also refused to let "Bruno" (Sasha Cohen) grope him!
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Male 25,416
wow, i not an american but it is odd to have the politicians making sense!
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Male 15,832
[quote](I`ll give you clue, the FBI`s white collar crime department disagrees with all your assertions).[/quote]
Let`s see...a GOVERNMENT agency trying to prove that the whole mess wasn`t the fault of the GOVERNMENT?

"Nothing to see here. No conflict of interest. Move along, move along..."
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Male 385
Ron Paul For President!
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Male 4,547
Oldollie:

congratulations, you have described 20% of the problem. Care to be honest about the other 80%? (I`ll give you clue, the FBI`s white collar crime department disagrees with all your assertions).
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Male 2,841
Since when did c-span become interesting?
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Male 5,194
Go Ron! Land of the sheep and the home of the groped - %&$#@!!!
ABOLISH THE TSA.
FIRE PISTOLE.
FIRE PISTOLE.
FIRE PISTOLE.
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Male 15,832
[quote]I`m a Ron Paul realist. His smaller government / fewer regulations credo would be more appealing had Wall St. not stolen everyones 401k.[/quote]
madest, you just proved that you don`t have the slightest understanding of Ron Paul or Wall Street. The financial meltdown is a direct result of the government regulations Paul opposes, not a result of a lack thereof. Here`s how it all went down.

1 CRA forced banks to make bad loans greatly increasing demand for housing, driving up real estate prices creating an unsustainable bubble.

2 Fanny & Freddy bought those bad loans and sold them to Wall Street with a very high rate of return and an implied government guarantee.

3 The bad loans went into default, real estate prices dropped causing more loans to default causing real estate prices do drop further causing even more loans to default...

Government regulations caused the crash. More government isn`t the answer. It never is.
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Male 229
IseeingI2I - Not sure what the angry tone is about, but like I said before, I think the measures have gone too far, I was questioning whether this is a worthy topic of discussion given all of the bigger issues out there. Relax!
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Male 271
@shnard have you seen this supposed "X-ray" of yours it doesnt just show your skeleton it also shows you in all of your birthday suit glory and i may have went overboard with fisting but they do search every orifice of your body if you decline to have your nude 3d image x ray image and magnetic image taken and even then some of the machines are not 100% safe what if you were flying home to make love to your wife and out popped mutant baby because of those scanners you got scanned by hours earlier
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@zombunny by your logic obama hates white men because he accepted campaign support from other white hating black men do you believe this true because if not that makes you a hypocrite and no one likes a hypocrite

and im not saying ron pauls entire campaign is correct but this particular argument is the best thing ive heard in politics in a long time
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Male 302
He is very obnoxious.
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Male 171
What about skin cancer, Volsunga?
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Male 7,378
I`m a Ron Paul realist. His smaller government / fewer regulations credo would be more appealing had Wall St. not stolen everyones 401k. But I stand with Ron Paul and his desire to significantly reduce military spending by closing bases the world over. My skin crawled recently when Obama promised S. Korea that America would never abandon them, thereby committing my tax dollars to a nation I couldn`t care less about.
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Female 2,525
@zombunny- White supremacist? please. Next you`ll be telling meObama really isa terrorist, and George Bush conspired 911 as an inside job. Don`t believe everything you read and hear. By the way, just because you have racists supporters doesn`t mean you are racist. I`m sure KKK members like allkinds of music, does that make that music racist and bad? I don`t think so.

If you`re accepting campaign support from them, it means at the very least you condone their behavior. So yeah, it pretty much makes you one of them.
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Male 357
I think we should be patted down and frisked at regular intervals each and every day. The government should watch everything we do at all times. I don`t want something to be unequal, so this is the only way.
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Male 88
The only way to make sure nobody has anything to hide is make us all fly nude. Just turn up the heat in the cabins okay?
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Male 639
Is it cool if I listen to Rise Against instead of RATM? I never liked rap-rock too much.
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Male 229
@IseeingI2I - Have you been on a plane lately? Do you really think they`re "fisting" people at the security checks? I actually agree with you that things are getting out of hand in terms of the security measures and of course these machines need to be safe and they shouldn`t be storing nude images of people. However, I don`t think the fact that people are having to get patted down and x-rayed before getting on a plane ranks up there with some of the bigger issues.
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Male 1,548
In defense of sanity, the machines ARE NOT dangerous in any way, shape, or form. They are designed so that the radiation is reflected by the top layer of epidermis, the one that`s already dead cells. If they went deep enough to be dangerous, it would defeat the purpose. The scanners are a necessary part of modern security.

That being said, the TSA`s policies on deciding who gets scanned are not making us any safer. It`s understandable why they do it, they need to look like they are doing something so if something happens, they can`t be blamed. There are specific profiles, both racial and psychological, that can identify likely suspects. But then again, if they actually made use of them, scans would be rare, but everyone who got scanned would sue.

The real problem is that the American people have created a situation where this is the most cost-effective option for the TSA.
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Male 177
The man is right about so many things. The government has us under its thumb - it`s really sad. People in this damn country need to start listening to Rage Against The Machine, get pissed off, and take f***ing action.
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Male 4
Not sure I understand why he should be president. He is clearly just another dumb right wing Texan. Checking people who are getting on a plane to see if they have bombs seems like common sense to me. I am totally fine with a pat down for everyone getting on a plane :D
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Male 271
@shnard so if i groped you and performed a cavity search you would be perfectly fine with that you wouldn`t feel violated of your rights or if i took nude black and whites of you you really wouldnt care if i basically fisted you because you declined those nude pictures would you be focused on unemployment and healthcare or a dude fisting you? and as far as debt stopping these insane "security policies" would assist with debt and probably make everyone feel healthier as well

and @zombunny think on your own and dont listen to ONLY liberal news listen to both learn to filter the garbage from both sides and most of all dont be a tool
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Male 273
@zombunny

dumba$$
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Female 751
@hwkiller- don`t forget the $10,000 fine you get if you refuse both and try to walk out of the airport!

I completly agree with you on every aspect.
and @shnard-dog Ron Paul`s main focus is on our civil liberties, he is a constatutionalist, he believes we should start taking more control of our own lives and stop letting the government run every little detail of our society

@zombunny- White supremacist? please. Next you`ll be telling meObama really isa terrorist, and George Bush conspired 911 as an inside job. Don`t believe everything you read and hear. By the way, just because you have racists supporters doesn`t mean you are racist. I`m sure KKK members like allkinds of music, does that make that music racist and bad? I don`t think so.

Ignorance is not bliss people, educate yourselves!
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Male 10,855
@zombunny


WTF RU smokin?
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Male 10,855
I`m starting to like my representative.

Couldn`t agree more CrakrJak.
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Female 2,525
"The man who should have been president"?

Does IAB support white supremacists now?
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Male 2,855
enough is enough! TSA has no freaking right to do this. I will no longer allow those damn butt groping monkeys to take away my bombs, no wait, dignity! I meant dignity.
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Male 17,512
We should adopt the way EL AL does their checks, and their checks start when the airline ticket is bought not at the airport doors.

The nude scanners and the groping has got to stop, This is America not a soviet gulag.
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Male 229
Not sure that I come to the conclusion that Ron Paul talking about such a non-issue makes him sane. Does anyone else find it odd that of all the major issues facing the U.S. right now (unemployment, f-ed up healthcare system, insane amounts of debt, war, etc.) that he is up in arms over having his junk x-rayed and grabbed? That`s not exactly "sane" to me.
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Male 490
@ishkabibbles,
Seriously? Just because you don`t care doesn`t mean the vast majority of people don`t.

1) The machines may be dangerous.
2) Both options are rather uncomfortable for most individuals.

Furthermore, regardless of myself, I really don`t want those machines and the people behind them seeing the naked bodies of my wife and kids. How is that right?

How does this make us "safer?"
While 3000 died on that day, 100s of thousands are now being personally violated by the government just so that they can travel. Before you say "it`s not violating," that`s bollucks. Just as Ron Paul said, if we had to be scanned or searched in areas outside of the airport, people would feel absolutely violated, and the offenders arrested.
It`s not "safety" in the least. It`s the opposite, it`s just not the common "bad guy" that`s doing it.
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Male 179
I`m surprised Madest, I didn`t think you`d like someone who holds such conservative values to be president. No offense intended of course!

Although I agree, Ron Paul should have been president. Here`s hoping for 2012.
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Male 1,299
Ron Paul is one of the few sane voices in American Politics. He`s not there for the sake of being there- he`s there as a representatives of united states citizens- human beings.
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Male 15,510
American politics *yawn*
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Male 130
You wanna see a naked picture or even feel my rapidly-approaching middle-age beer gut and soggy ass? Be my guest.

You wanna try to convince me how safe I am becasue of it? Please kiss said soggy ass.
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Female 1
@ ishkabibbles, and to who anyone else doesn`t recognize the immediate dangers of such aggressive security measures... how can you not see where this is heading? your nonchalant attitude is really disturbing, it`s a serious issue because it`s an invasion of privacy. even symbolically it`s a sign that the government`s grip on whatever freedoms we have left, is tightening. i don`t know about you, but i think that`s kinda scary. we roll over with every law like this that`s passed... where is the line drawn?
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Male 518
No way! drat libertarians.
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Male 155
who gives a flying f*** about these security measures... I really don`t care if I get frisked or someone... *GASP*... TOUCHES ME. Get over it you whining kids.
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Male 2,549
Stop being so submissive American public, it`s time for you to stand up and shout, "I am mad as hell and I`m not going to take it anymore!" :-P
Way to go Ron Paul!
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Female 1,743
No.
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Male 155
who gives a flying f*** about these security measures... I really don`t care if I get frisked or someone... *GASP*... TOUCHES ME. Get over it you whining kids.
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Male 4,594
That was awesome. I think he`s right.
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Male 6,694
Dont think Im gonna sit through that one.
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Male 7,378
Link: Ron Paul Addresses Congress About TSA [Rate Link] - The man who should have been president talks sanity to congress.
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